Islamophobic and anti-semitic hate crimes in the US since 10/7

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jason Eaton, 48, arrested last night. Another white dude with a gun who feels empowered to shoot brown men and women. But yet all we hear is how colleges need to do more to combat anti-semitism - because it's fair game on Arab and Muslim lives, I guess.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/26/palestinian-students-vermont-shooting/

His LinkedIn is interesting. The Boy Scouts have confirmed he was a Scoutmaster in New York so this is the same guy.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonjeaton/

Looking at this, you'd think he's a chill, outdoorsy, progressive guy who bounced from job to job, lately in the financial industry. Looks like he might have just lost his last job which ended in 11/23?

Sales AssistantSales Assistant
CUSO Financial Services · Full-timeCUSO Financial Services · Full-time
Jan 2023 - Nov 2023 · 11 mosJan 2023 - Nov 2023 · 11 mos
Williston, Vermont, United StatesWilliston, Vermont, United States
Laying down my life for my friends.

What does the bolded mean?

On the spectrum and ADHD. Probably medicated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it weird that most of the articles describe them as “Palestinians” with American ciitizenship/permanent residency rather than Americans of Palestinian decent.

Because they are from Palestine. And a permanent resident is not an American.

They were talking about them on NBC and I heard Brown University student's mom, her name is Elizabeth Price and she is American, Caucasian and Christian so at least he is an American citizen for sure.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one is saying the death of Paul Kessler is not tragic. However, it looks like it happened after some type of altercation or dispute at the rally. He was not singled out and targeted.

I think previous PPs were just pointing out that these three men, along with the boy who was killed and his mom who was stabbed as well as the Stanford student hit by a car, were all attacked while they were just living their regular lives. And that is concerning.

Not exactly like the six year old boy. These were men walking around in keffiyahs. This is absolutely a tragic hate crime. Just should note that they were openly walking around in Palestinian scarves that have been frequently worn lately as a symbol of Palestinian nationalism. Again, that is not a crime and what happened was awful. But wouldn’t equate that to a six year old who makes no political statement.

Maybe they were wearing a keffiyah, which is a scarf commonly worn by Palestinians, because they're Palestinian? I'm 99% sure they had worn a keffiyah prior to Oct. 7. Should they have to stop wearing one because someone could view it as a political statement?

What about a star of David necklace? Or a kippah? Should someone who worn those previously stop wearing them because it can be viewed as a political statement?

I understand what you are saying. But I don't agree. They were out for a walk after attending an 8 year olds birthday party, not making a political statement.

I agree- I said it was absolutely wrong and a hate crime.

It’s different than a kippah or a Star of David or taqiya etc, which are all religious symbols. The Palestinian scarf is a symbol of nationalism and that movement has many non-peaceful associations. And at this moment in time, it is an inflammatory and very intentional accessory. I also wouldn’t advise Israeli supporters to walk around wearing a tee shirt with an Israeli flag on it, precisely because it is a statement due to current events and also because there are a lot of nuts out there.

All of that said, they obviously didn’t deserve this. The man waving an Israeli flag didn’t deserve his death either. Neither did the six year old boy and neither did the tons of kids on college campuses facing antisemitism.

Only two of the men were wearing a keffiyeh. Was the third man also making a political statement because he was walking with the other two?

I guess what I have an issue with is you differentiating this from the killing of the little boy and saying they were being inflammatory by wearing it. I feel that kind of implies that these men did something to draw attention to themselves. If they had just not worn that traditional piece of cloth, they could have avoided all of this.

I can give a different analogy. My husband and I are Muslim. For many years after 9-11 DH had a long beard and regularly wore a kufi and a thobe when going out, none of which are required in Islam. Would you consider his appearance inflammatory?

Kind of like the poster here (you, perhaps?) who has been blaming Paul Kessler for being at a pro-Israel rally, waving an Israeli flag - saying he somehow brought on an assault?
DP

[Anonymous]

What's wrong with you two? Is this the right place for putting each other down for imperfect grammar or three college kids who were shot because of perfect spread of violent hatred?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have any republicans condemned the shooting in Vermont? Any of the presidential candidates?

I have seen several statements from some democrats but not from the republicans?

Why is this relevant in any way? Good grief. And yes, the Republican gov. of Vermont said this:

Vermont Gov. Phil Scott (R) said in a statement that the shooting is a “tragedy” and Vermont’s federal partners are “ready to assist.”

“I urge Vermonters to unite to help the community heal, and not let this incident incite more hate or divisiveness,” Scott said. “We must come together in these difficult times ― it is the only way to put a stop to the violence we’re seeing.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have any republicans condemned the shooting in Vermont? Any of the presidential candidates?

I have seen several statements from some democrats but not from the republicans?

OMG, seriously? Which Democrats have condemned the death of Paul Kessler? How about the disgusting statements from Patrick Dai?

Karen Bass did. And Kathy Hochul condemned the Cornell threats.

https://mayor.lacity.gov/news/mayor-bass-issues-statement-after-death-jewish-man-thousand-oaks

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/newyork/news/watch-live-gov-kathy-hochul-to-address-hate-crimes-in-speech-at-columbia-university/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have any republicans condemned the shooting in Vermont? Any of the presidential candidates?

I have seen several statements from some democrats but not from the republicans?

Why is this relevant in any way? Good grief. And yes, the Republican gov. of Vermont said this:

Vermont Gov. Phil Scott (R) said in a statement that the shooting is a “tragedy” and Vermont’s federal partners are “ready to assist.”

“I urge Vermonters to unite to help the community heal, and not let this incident incite more hate or divisiveness,” Scott said. “We must come together in these difficult times ― it is the only way to put a stop to the violence we’re seeing.”

It is absolutely important what our government leaders say after a horrific shooting like this one. Why would that not be relevant?

This is getting national news. A statement condemning the shooting and asking people to come together is appreciated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is saying the death of Paul Kessler is not tragic. However, it looks like it happened after some type of altercation or dispute at the rally. He was not singled out and targeted.

I think previous PPs were just pointing out that these three men, along with the boy who was killed and his mom who was stabbed as well as the Stanford student hit by a car, were all attacked while they were just living their regular lives. And that is concerning.

Not exactly like the six year old boy. These were men walking around in keffiyahs. This is absolutely a tragic hate crime. Just should note that they were openly walking around in Palestinian scarves that have been frequently worn lately as a symbol of Palestinian nationalism. Again, that is not a crime and what happened was awful. But wouldn’t equate that to a six year old who makes no political statement.

Maybe they were wearing a keffiyah, which is a scarf commonly worn by Palestinians, because they're Palestinian? I'm 99% sure they had worn a keffiyah prior to Oct. 7. Should they have to stop wearing one because someone could view it as a political statement?

What about a star of David necklace? Or a kippah? Should someone who worn those previously stop wearing them because it can be viewed as a political statement?

I understand what you are saying. But I don't agree. They were out for a walk after attending an 8 year olds birthday party, not making a political statement.

I agree- I said it was absolutely wrong and a hate crime.

It’s different than a kippah or a Star of David or taqiya etc, which are all religious symbols. The Palestinian scarf is a symbol of nationalism and that movement has many non-peaceful associations. And at this moment in time, it is an inflammatory and very intentional accessory. I also wouldn’t advise Israeli supporters to walk around wearing a tee shirt with an Israeli flag on it, precisely because it is a statement due to current events and also because there are a lot of nuts out there.

All of that said, they obviously didn’t deserve this. The man waving an Israeli flag didn’t deserve his death either. Neither did the six year old boy and neither did the tons of kids on college campuses facing antisemitism.

Only two of the men were wearing a keffiyeh. Was the third man also making a political statement because he was walking with the other two?

I guess what I have an issue with is you differentiating this from the killing of the little boy and saying they were being inflammatory by wearing it. I feel that kind of implies that these men did something to draw attention to themselves. If they had just not worn that traditional piece of cloth, they could have avoided all of this.

I can give a different analogy. My husband and I are Muslim. For many years after 9-11 DH had a long beard and regularly wore a kufi and a thobe when going out, none of which are required in Islam. Would you consider his appearance inflammatory?

Kind of like the poster here (you, perhaps?) who has been blaming Paul Kessler for being at a pro-Israel rally, waving an Israeli flag - saying he somehow brought on an assault?
DP

Kessler was at the pro-Israel counter-rally when he crossed over to the side of the street to where the (original) rally for Palestine was being held.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is saying the death of Paul Kessler is not tragic. However, it looks like it happened after some type of altercation or dispute at the rally. He was not singled out and targeted.

I think previous PPs were just pointing out that these three men, along with the boy who was killed and his mom who was stabbed as well as the Stanford student hit by a car, were all attacked while they were just living their regular lives. And that is concerning.

Not exactly like the six year old boy. These were men walking around in keffiyahs. This is absolutely a tragic hate crime. Just should note that they were openly walking around in Palestinian scarves that have been frequently worn lately as a symbol of Palestinian nationalism. Again, that is not a crime and what happened was awful. But wouldn’t equate that to a six year old who makes no political statement.

Maybe they were wearing a keffiyah, which is a scarf commonly worn by Palestinians, because they're Palestinian? I'm 99% sure they had worn a keffiyah prior to Oct. 7. Should they have to stop wearing one because someone could view it as a political statement?

What about a star of David necklace? Or a kippah? Should someone who worn those previously stop wearing them because it can be viewed as a political statement?

I understand what you are saying. But I don't agree. They were out for a walk after attending an 8 year olds birthday party, not making a political statement.

I agree- I said it was absolutely wrong and a hate crime.

It’s different than a kippah or a Star of David or taqiya etc, which are all religious symbols. The Palestinian scarf is a symbol of nationalism and that movement has many non-peaceful associations. And at this moment in time, it is an inflammatory and very intentional accessory. I also wouldn’t advise Israeli supporters to walk around wearing a tee shirt with an Israeli flag on it, precisely because it is a statement due to current events and also because there are a lot of nuts out there.

All of that said, they obviously didn’t deserve this. The man waving an Israeli flag didn’t deserve his death either. Neither did the six year old boy and neither did the tons of kids on college campuses facing antisemitism.

Only two of the men were wearing a keffiyeh. Was the third man also making a political statement because he was walking with the other two?

I guess what I have an issue with is you differentiating this from the killing of the little boy and saying they were being inflammatory by wearing it. I feel that kind of implies that these men did something to draw attention to themselves. If they had just not worn that traditional piece of cloth, they could have avoided all of this.

I can give a different analogy. My husband and I are Muslim. For many years after 9-11 DH had a long beard and regularly wore a kufi and a thobe when going out, none of which are required in Islam. Would you consider his appearance inflammatory?

Kind of like the poster here (you, perhaps?) who has been blaming Paul Kessler for being at a pro-Israel rally, waving an Israeli flag - saying he somehow brought on an assault?
DP

Kessler was at the pro-Israel counter-rally when he crossed over to the side of the street to where the (original) rally for Palestine was being held.

You continue to spew absolute BS. Post the links that back up your claims.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is saying the death of Paul Kessler is not tragic. However, it looks like it happened after some type of altercation or dispute at the rally. He was not singled out and targeted.

I think previous PPs were just pointing out that these three men, along with the boy who was killed and his mom who was stabbed as well as the Stanford student hit by a car, were all attacked while they were just living their regular lives. And that is concerning.

Not exactly like the six year old boy. These were men walking around in keffiyahs. This is absolutely a tragic hate crime. Just should note that they were openly walking around in Palestinian scarves that have been frequently worn lately as a symbol of Palestinian nationalism. Again, that is not a crime and what happened was awful. But wouldn’t equate that to a six year old who makes no political statement.

Maybe they were wearing a keffiyah, which is a scarf commonly worn by Palestinians, because they're Palestinian? I'm 99% sure they had worn a keffiyah prior to Oct. 7. Should they have to stop wearing one because someone could view it as a political statement?

What about a star of David necklace? Or a kippah? Should someone who worn those previously stop wearing them because it can be viewed as a political statement?

I understand what you are saying. But I don't agree. They were out for a walk after attending an 8 year olds birthday party, not making a political statement.

I agree- I said it was absolutely wrong and a hate crime.

It’s different than a kippah or a Star of David or taqiya etc, which are all religious symbols. The Palestinian scarf is a symbol of nationalism and that movement has many non-peaceful associations. And at this moment in time, it is an inflammatory and very intentional accessory. I also wouldn’t advise Israeli supporters to walk around wearing a tee shirt with an Israeli flag on it, precisely because it is a statement due to current events and also because there are a lot of nuts out there.

All of that said, they obviously didn’t deserve this. The man waving an Israeli flag didn’t deserve his death either. Neither did the six year old boy and neither did the tons of kids on college campuses facing antisemitism.

Only two of the men were wearing a keffiyeh. Was the third man also making a political statement because he was walking with the other two?

I guess what I have an issue with is you differentiating this from the killing of the little boy and saying they were being inflammatory by wearing it. I feel that kind of implies that these men did something to draw attention to themselves. If they had just not worn that traditional piece of cloth, they could have avoided all of this.

I can give a different analogy. My husband and I are Muslim. For many years after 9-11 DH had a long beard and regularly wore a kufi and a thobe when going out, none of which are required in Islam. Would you consider his appearance inflammatory?

Kind of like the poster here (you, perhaps?) who has been blaming Paul Kessler for being at a pro-Israel rally, waving an Israeli flag - saying he somehow brought on an assault?
DP

Kessler was at the pro-Israel counter-rally when he crossed over to the side of the street to where the (original) rally for Palestine was being held.

You continue to spew absolute BS. Post the links that back up your claims.

Even if this were true- even if - there are many examples of pro Palestinian aggressive protestors at college campuses where pro Israel supporters do not hurt them or kill them. You just refuse to admit that pro Palestine protests usually have an air of violence around them

[Anonymous]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/27/us/palestinian-student-shooting-burlington-vermont-tuesday/index.html

Reporting that one of the Palestinian college kids who were shot may be paralyzed.

[Anonymous]

Are we really arguing back and forth about these kids getting shot? It's terrible. Period. I'm a liberal Jew who supports Israel's right to exist and only wanted a ceasefire in exchange for hostages (though I'd happily trade Netanyahu, Ben Gvir and Smotrich for all the hostages today), and I'm appalled to see anyone trying to what-about or debate this shooting. It's terrible. And the death of the Jewish protester in L.A. is also terrible. Period. Just like the murder of Israeli citizens and taking of hostages is terrible, and the killing of thousands of innocent Palestinians and destruction of much of Gaza is terrible. You don't need to weigh one against the other.

Maybe we should all stop saying "but" in relation to this war, as Mansour Abbas told Tom Friedman recently: "we cannot condemn it and say ‘but’ — that word ‘but’ has become immoral.” https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/22/opinion/israel-palestinians-arabs.html

[Anonymous]

What's the role of Gods here, Jewish God has been failing them for centuries and Muslim God isn't doing much for Palestinians either. Shouldn't these atrocities make both sides ponder that basic premise of this dispute is faulty? Its a real estate issue and no real estate is precious enough to shed this much blood and originate this much hatred.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are we really arguing back and forth about these kids getting shot? It's terrible. Period. I'm a liberal Jew who supports Israel's right to exist and only wanted a ceasefire in exchange for hostages (though I'd happily trade Netanyahu, Ben Gvir and Smotrich for all the hostages today), and I'm appalled to see anyone trying to what-about or debate this shooting. It's terrible. And the death of the Jewish protester in L.A. is also terrible. Period. Just like the murder of Israeli citizens and taking of hostages is terrible, and the killing of thousands of innocent Palestinians and destruction of much of Gaza is terrible. You don't need to weigh one against the other.

Maybe we should all stop saying "but" in relation to this war, as Mansour Abbas told Tom Friedman recently: "we cannot condemn it and say ‘but’ — that word ‘but’ has become immoral.” https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/22/opinion/israel-palestinians-arabs.html

The death of the Jewish protestor in LA was terrible, but it was not an anti-semitic hate crime, which is the topic of this thread.

[Anonymous]

Palestinians are semites as well and the best and most forceful way to protect them in this country is to use the laws already on the books to prosecute for anti-semitism anyone who attacks them.

So, the hate mongers in Congress who went after Rashida Tlaib: anti-semitic hate crime; the VT shooter: anti-semitic hate crime

This Florida state senator who said all Palestinians should be killed: anti-semitic hate crime: https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/florida-lawmaker-says-kill-all-of-them-in-response-to-palestinian-deaths-spa