Question about the homophobia thread

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Every single item on the anti-trans wish list could be fulfilled and it wouldn't be enough. Trans people in sports, locker rooms, even bathrooms. Trans kids being refused gender affirming care. Even forcing trans kids to "therapy" that is supposed to "cure" transness through prayer or trying really hard not to transition.

It wouldn't be enough. When you talk to most of these people and they're honest, they actually want to ban all trans people of all ages from transitioning. They don't want trans women and trans men to transition and just stay home. It has little to do with bathrooms or kids.

This is not true for me at all. I am the PP with many trans patients. I treat them with kindness and respect. But I want sports, prisons and bathrooms separated by biological sex. I’m not asking for a lot. I’m not violating anyone’s rights with my request.

While fighting against their rights and calling them mentally ill behind their backs. No one cares that you are polite in person.

What rights am I fighting against?

I believe THEY care. But the keyboard warrior over here demands that I accept everything about them or else my work is invalid? Is that what you’re saying? I work with these patients and help them on a daily basis. Should I stop now because you don’t think I accept them enough? What, pray tell, are you doing on a daily basis (besides posting on DCUM) that actually literally and physically helps them?

I want sports segregated by biological sex. Again, tell me how this violates their rights.

If you think that being trans is itself a mental illness then that implies that not being trans is the cure.

+1

You don't respect them for the people that they are.

Let’s say a trans patient comes to me in pain, with a raging infection, and I incise and drain that infection, and give them antibiotics. At their follow up their infection is gone, they are healthy, and we may actually share come banter about weather or sports or some such. We probably laugh a little too.
At the end they say “thanks doc!” and I say “it was a pleasure meeting you. See you next time.”

What you’re saying is this is NOT compassionate care? Are you literally saying my care of this patient is inferior to someone who does not think trans people have a mental illness? Inferior to someone who thinks transwomen should compete in athletics agains biological women? Because if that’s what you’re saying, we have completely different definitions of compassionate care.

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Evidence what happened? (DP). That they had to change while Lia was present? That Lia hadn’t had “bottom surgery”?

But where is evidence that "brightest scholar athletes in this country are told they will lose scholarships and jobs"?

9:00 mark. From the Penn administration. “Don’t talk to the media. You will regret it.”
https://twitter.com/mattwalshblog/status/1665860950409244673?s=46&t=X605tXq86EtH5m7JHoGWFQ

The "team mate" is anti-trans conservative who follows Daily Wire, Independent Women's Forum, Newsmax, Tucker Carlson, Tomi Lahren, DeSantis, Trump, "anti-wokeness", etc.

And she is BIG on misgendering people.
https://twitter.com/PaulaYScanlan/

If one political party is on the side of the university administration that threatened you as a 19-year-old, why would you trust that political party? The mainstream media and the Democratic Party have made it clear that they are on the side of the power structure that threatened her. Of course she is going to follow the people on Twitter who believe her and listen to her. You can’t even call her a teammate without using air quotes to imply she’s lying about that basic fact.

One of the things that is absolutely infuriating about this entire discussion is how rabidly and viciously supposedly liberal media and political figures attack women who have spoken up about their experiences with transwomen in spaces that used to be for biological women. And people see this. They see the screaming mob that assaulted Riley Gaines at SFSU. They see the attacks that have immediately come forward towards Paula Scanlan. They see the death threats, the doxxing, the attacks. It’s deeply problematic behavior with misogynist roots and it’s infuriating how supposedly liberal people engage in it.

There is nothing "misogynist" about defending the basic rights of vulnerable people from the political party that is actively trying to take away rights.

People are criticizing her words and actions. This has nothing to do with her gender.

You are accusing Scanlan of lying. Be specific about what you are doing.

Accusing women who tell their stories of harassment and intimidation of lying is absolutely misogyny. It is in fact textbook misogyny.

Accusing RWNJs of misrepresenting the truth is not misogyny.

Women are not fragile flowers that cannot be criticized. That is condescending AF.

What is she specifically misrepresenting? What is she lying about? Please be exact and specific. You have no problem referring to her as a “teammate” in air quotes — do you have evidence she wasn’t actually on the team?

Unless you can identify both specific lies and evidence to support your claims that she lied, you remain correctly identified as a misogynist, because your immediate response to a woman telling a story of harassment and intimidation is to attack her and smear her as a liar.

Most ordinary Americans will hear Scanlan’s interview and be justifiably horrified. So if you are going to attack her and accuse her of lying, you had better have some good evidence of that claim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every single item on the anti-trans wish list could be fulfilled and it wouldn't be enough. Trans people in sports, locker rooms, even bathrooms. Trans kids being refused gender affirming care. Even forcing trans kids to "therapy" that is supposed to "cure" transness through prayer or trying really hard not to transition.

It wouldn't be enough. When you talk to most of these people and they're honest, they actually want to ban all trans people of all ages from transitioning. They don't want trans women and trans men to transition and just stay home. It has little to do with bathrooms or kids.

This is not true for me at all. I am the PP with many trans patients. I treat them with kindness and respect. But I want sports, prisons and bathrooms separated by biological sex. I’m not asking for a lot. I’m not violating anyone’s rights with my request.

While fighting against their rights and calling them mentally ill behind their backs. No one cares that you are polite in person.

What rights am I fighting against?

I believe THEY care. But the keyboard warrior over here demands that I accept everything about them or else my work is invalid? Is that what you’re saying? I work with these patients and help them on a daily basis. Should I stop now because you don’t think I accept them enough? What, pray tell, are you doing on a daily basis (besides posting on DCUM) that actually literally and physically helps them?

I want sports segregated by biological sex. Again, tell me how this violates their rights.

If you think that being trans is itself a mental illness then that implies that not being trans is the cure.

+1

You don't respect them for the people that they are.

Let’s say a trans patient comes to me in pain, with a raging infection, and I incise and drain that infection, and give them antibiotics. At their follow up their infection is gone, they are healthy, and we may actually share come banter about weather or sports or some such. We probably laugh a little too.
At the end they say “thanks doc!” and I say “it was a pleasure meeting you. See you next time.”

What you’re saying is this is NOT compassionate care? Are you literally saying my care of this patient is inferior to someone who does not think trans people have a mental illness? Inferior to someone who thinks transwomen should compete in athletics agains biological women? Because if that’s what you’re saying, we have completely different definitions of compassionate care.

You are polite, but you don't think they should exist as who they are. Doesn't get much more disrespectful than that.

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Evidence what happened? (DP). That they had to change while Lia was present? That Lia hadn’t had “bottom surgery”?

But where is evidence that "brightest scholar athletes in this country are told they will lose scholarships and jobs"?

9:00 mark. From the Penn administration. “Don’t talk to the media. You will regret it.”
https://twitter.com/mattwalshblog/status/1665860950409244673?s=46&t=X605tXq86EtH5m7JHoGWFQ

The "team mate" is anti-trans conservative who follows Daily Wire, Independent Women's Forum, Newsmax, Tucker Carlson, Tomi Lahren, DeSantis, Trump, "anti-wokeness", etc.

And she is BIG on misgendering people.
https://twitter.com/PaulaYScanlan/

If one political party is on the side of the university administration that threatened you as a 19-year-old, why would you trust that political party? The mainstream media and the Democratic Party have made it clear that they are on the side of the power structure that threatened her. Of course she is going to follow the people on Twitter who believe her and listen to her. You can’t even call her a teammate without using air quotes to imply she’s lying about that basic fact.

One of the things that is absolutely infuriating about this entire discussion is how rabidly and viciously supposedly liberal media and political figures attack women who have spoken up about their experiences with transwomen in spaces that used to be for biological women. And people see this. They see the screaming mob that assaulted Riley Gaines at SFSU. They see the attacks that have immediately come forward towards Paula Scanlan. They see the death threats, the doxxing, the attacks. It’s deeply problematic behavior with misogynist roots and it’s infuriating how supposedly liberal people engage in it.

There is nothing "misogynist" about defending the basic rights of vulnerable people from the political party that is actively trying to take away rights.

People are criticizing her words and actions. This has nothing to do with her gender.

You are accusing Scanlan of lying. Be specific about what you are doing.

Accusing women who tell their stories of harassment and intimidation of lying is absolutely misogyny. It is in fact textbook misogyny.

Accusing RWNJs of misrepresenting the truth is not misogyny.

Women are not fragile flowers that cannot be criticized. That is condescending AF.

What is she specifically misrepresenting? What is she lying about? Please be exact and specific. You have no problem referring to her as a “teammate” in air quotes — do you have evidence she wasn’t actually on the team?

Unless you can identify both specific lies and evidence to support your claims that she lied, you remain correctly identified as a misogynist, because your immediate response to a woman telling a story of harassment and intimidation is to attack her and smear her as a liar.

Most ordinary Americans will hear Scanlan’s interview and be justifiably horrified. So if you are going to attack her and accuse her of lying, you had better have some good evidence of that claim.

She gets no special treatment because she has a vagina. Stop patronizing women.

I accused RWNJs of misrepresenting the truth. Which happens constantly in the US and on DCUM. "Alternate facts" and such. I don't trust a word that any RWNJ says.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Evidence what happened? (DP). That they had to change while Lia was present? That Lia hadn’t had “bottom surgery”?

But where is evidence that "brightest scholar athletes in this country are told they will lose scholarships and jobs"?

9:00 mark. From the Penn administration. “Don’t talk to the media. You will regret it.”
https://twitter.com/mattwalshblog/status/1665860950409244673?s=46&t=X605tXq86EtH5m7JHoGWFQ

The "team mate" is anti-trans conservative who follows Daily Wire, Independent Women's Forum, Newsmax, Tucker Carlson, Tomi Lahren, DeSantis, Trump, "anti-wokeness", etc.

And she is BIG on misgendering people.
https://twitter.com/PaulaYScanlan/

If one political party is on the side of the university administration that threatened you as a 19-year-old, why would you trust that political party? The mainstream media and the Democratic Party have made it clear that they are on the side of the power structure that threatened her. Of course she is going to follow the people on Twitter who believe her and listen to her. You can’t even call her a teammate without using air quotes to imply she’s lying about that basic fact.

One of the things that is absolutely infuriating about this entire discussion is how rabidly and viciously supposedly liberal media and political figures attack women who have spoken up about their experiences with transwomen in spaces that used to be for biological women. And people see this. They see the screaming mob that assaulted Riley Gaines at SFSU. They see the attacks that have immediately come forward towards Paula Scanlan. They see the death threats, the doxxing, the attacks. It’s deeply problematic behavior with misogynist roots and it’s infuriating how supposedly liberal people engage in it.

There is nothing "misogynist" about defending the basic rights of vulnerable people from the political party that is actively trying to take away rights.

People are criticizing her words and actions. This has nothing to do with her gender.

You are accusing Scanlan of lying. Be specific about what you are doing.

Accusing women who tell their stories of harassment and intimidation of lying is absolutely misogyny. It is in fact textbook misogyny.

Accusing RWNJs of misrepresenting the truth is not misogyny.

Women are not fragile flowers that cannot be criticized. That is condescending AF.

What is she specifically misrepresenting? What is she lying about? Please be exact and specific. You have no problem referring to her as a “teammate” in air quotes — do you have evidence she wasn’t actually on the team?

Unless you can identify both specific lies and evidence to support your claims that she lied, you remain correctly identified as a misogynist, because your immediate response to a woman telling a story of harassment and intimidation is to attack her and smear her as a liar.

Most ordinary Americans will hear Scanlan’s interview and be justifiably horrified. So if you are going to attack her and accuse her of lying, you had better have some good evidence of that claim.

She gets no special treatment because she has a vagina. Stop patronizing women.

I accused RWNJs of misrepresenting the truth. Which happens constantly in the US and on DCUM. "Alternate facts" and such. I don't trust a word that any RWNJ says.

Given that in your mind, everyone who asks a question or does not agree with you is a RWNJ, your life must be very difficult. How do you function?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every single item on the anti-trans wish list could be fulfilled and it wouldn't be enough. Trans people in sports, locker rooms, even bathrooms. Trans kids being refused gender affirming care. Even forcing trans kids to "therapy" that is supposed to "cure" transness through prayer or trying really hard not to transition.

It wouldn't be enough. When you talk to most of these people and they're honest, they actually want to ban all trans people of all ages from transitioning. They don't want trans women and trans men to transition and just stay home. It has little to do with bathrooms or kids.

This is not true for me at all. I am the PP with many trans patients. I treat them with kindness and respect. But I want sports, prisons and bathrooms separated by biological sex. I’m not asking for a lot. I’m not violating anyone’s rights with my request.

While fighting against their rights and calling them mentally ill behind their backs. No one cares that you are polite in person.

What rights am I fighting against?

I believe THEY care. But the keyboard warrior over here demands that I accept everything about them or else my work is invalid? Is that what you’re saying? I work with these patients and help them on a daily basis. Should I stop now because you don’t think I accept them enough? What, pray tell, are you doing on a daily basis (besides posting on DCUM) that actually literally and physically helps them?

I want sports segregated by biological sex. Again, tell me how this violates their rights.

If you think that being trans is itself a mental illness then that implies that not being trans is the cure.

+1

You don't respect them for the people that they are.

Let’s say a trans patient comes to me in pain, with a raging infection, and I incise and drain that infection, and give them antibiotics. At their follow up their infection is gone, they are healthy, and we may actually share come banter about weather or sports or some such. We probably laugh a little too.
At the end they say “thanks doc!” and I say “it was a pleasure meeting you. See you next time.”

What you’re saying is this is NOT compassionate care? Are you literally saying my care of this patient is inferior to someone who does not think trans people have a mental illness? Inferior to someone who thinks transwomen should compete in athletics agains biological women? Because if that’s what you’re saying, we have completely different definitions of compassionate care.

You are polite, but you don't think they should exist as who they are. Doesn't get much more disrespectful than that.

I give compassionate care. You clearly cannot dispute that.

And FYI believing they have a mental illness does not mean they shouldn’t exist as who they are. They can exist any way they want to. They don’t need my approval or belief in their life choices to do so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Evidence what happened? (DP). That they had to change while Lia was present? That Lia hadn’t had “bottom surgery”?

But where is evidence that "brightest scholar athletes in this country are told they will lose scholarships and jobs"?

9:00 mark. From the Penn administration. “Don’t talk to the media. You will regret it.”
https://twitter.com/mattwalshblog/status/1665860950409244673?s=46&t=X605tXq86EtH5m7JHoGWFQ

The "team mate" is anti-trans conservative who follows Daily Wire, Independent Women's Forum, Newsmax, Tucker Carlson, Tomi Lahren, DeSantis, Trump, "anti-wokeness", etc.

And she is BIG on misgendering people.
https://twitter.com/PaulaYScanlan/

If one political party is on the side of the university administration that threatened you as a 19-year-old, why would you trust that political party? The mainstream media and the Democratic Party have made it clear that they are on the side of the power structure that threatened her. Of course she is going to follow the people on Twitter who believe her and listen to her. You can’t even call her a teammate without using air quotes to imply she’s lying about that basic fact.

One of the things that is absolutely infuriating about this entire discussion is how rabidly and viciously supposedly liberal media and political figures attack women who have spoken up about their experiences with transwomen in spaces that used to be for biological women. And people see this. They see the screaming mob that assaulted Riley Gaines at SFSU. They see the attacks that have immediately come forward towards Paula Scanlan. They see the death threats, the doxxing, the attacks. It’s deeply problematic behavior with misogynist roots and it’s infuriating how supposedly liberal people engage in it.

There is nothing "misogynist" about defending the basic rights of vulnerable people from the political party that is actively trying to take away rights.

People are criticizing her words and actions. This has nothing to do with her gender.

You are accusing Scanlan of lying. Be specific about what you are doing.

Accusing women who tell their stories of harassment and intimidation of lying is absolutely misogyny. It is in fact textbook misogyny.

Accusing RWNJs of misrepresenting the truth is not misogyny.

Women are not fragile flowers that cannot be criticized. That is condescending AF.

What is she specifically misrepresenting? What is she lying about? Please be exact and specific. You have no problem referring to her as a “teammate” in air quotes — do you have evidence she wasn’t actually on the team?

Unless you can identify both specific lies and evidence to support your claims that she lied, you remain correctly identified as a misogynist, because your immediate response to a woman telling a story of harassment and intimidation is to attack her and smear her as a liar.

Most ordinary Americans will hear Scanlan’s interview and be justifiably horrified. So if you are going to attack her and accuse her of lying, you had better have some good evidence of that claim.

She gets no special treatment because she has a vagina. Stop patronizing women.

I accused RWNJs of misrepresenting the truth. Which happens constantly in the US and on DCUM. "Alternate facts" and such. I don't trust a word that any RWNJ says.

Given that in your mind, everyone who asks a question or does not agree with you is a RWNJ, your life must be very difficult. How do you function?

False. The people who have RWNJ positions and align themselves with other RWNJs are RWNJs.

I don't believe anything RWNJs say at face value. It's helpful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every single item on the anti-trans wish list could be fulfilled and it wouldn't be enough. Trans people in sports, locker rooms, even bathrooms. Trans kids being refused gender affirming care. Even forcing trans kids to "therapy" that is supposed to "cure" transness through prayer or trying really hard not to transition.

It wouldn't be enough. When you talk to most of these people and they're honest, they actually want to ban all trans people of all ages from transitioning. They don't want trans women and trans men to transition and just stay home. It has little to do with bathrooms or kids.

This is not true for me at all. I am the PP with many trans patients. I treat them with kindness and respect. But I want sports, prisons and bathrooms separated by biological sex. I’m not asking for a lot. I’m not violating anyone’s rights with my request.

While fighting against their rights and calling them mentally ill behind their backs. No one cares that you are polite in person.

What rights am I fighting against?

I believe THEY care. But the keyboard warrior over here demands that I accept everything about them or else my work is invalid? Is that what you’re saying? I work with these patients and help them on a daily basis. Should I stop now because you don’t think I accept them enough? What, pray tell, are you doing on a daily basis (besides posting on DCUM) that actually literally and physically helps them?

I want sports segregated by biological sex. Again, tell me how this violates their rights.

If you think that being trans is itself a mental illness then that implies that not being trans is the cure.

+1

You don't respect them for the people that they are.

Let’s say a trans patient comes to me in pain, with a raging infection, and I incise and drain that infection, and give them antibiotics. At their follow up their infection is gone, they are healthy, and we may actually share come banter about weather or sports or some such. We probably laugh a little too.
At the end they say “thanks doc!” and I say “it was a pleasure meeting you. See you next time.”

What you’re saying is this is NOT compassionate care? Are you literally saying my care of this patient is inferior to someone who does not think trans people have a mental illness? Inferior to someone who thinks transwomen should compete in athletics agains biological women? Because if that’s what you’re saying, we have completely different definitions of compassionate care.

You are polite, but you don't think they should exist as who they are. Doesn't get much more disrespectful than that.

I give compassionate care. You clearly cannot dispute that.

And FYI believing they have a mental illness does not mean they shouldn’t exist as who they are. They can exist any way they want to. They don’t need my approval or belief in their life choices to do so.

Right. Polite to their face, but disrespectful to their fundamental existence.

If you think it's acceptable then why don't you share your true beliefs with them and/or your co-workers? Why put on a false front?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every single item on the anti-trans wish list could be fulfilled and it wouldn't be enough. Trans people in sports, locker rooms, even bathrooms. Trans kids being refused gender affirming care. Even forcing trans kids to "therapy" that is supposed to "cure" transness through prayer or trying really hard not to transition.

It wouldn't be enough. When you talk to most of these people and they're honest, they actually want to ban all trans people of all ages from transitioning. They don't want trans women and trans men to transition and just stay home. It has little to do with bathrooms or kids.

This is not true for me at all. I am the PP with many trans patients. I treat them with kindness and respect. But I want sports, prisons and bathrooms separated by biological sex. I’m not asking for a lot. I’m not violating anyone’s rights with my request.

While fighting against their rights and calling them mentally ill behind their backs. No one cares that you are polite in person.

What rights am I fighting against?

I believe THEY care. But the keyboard warrior over here demands that I accept everything about them or else my work is invalid? Is that what you’re saying? I work with these patients and help them on a daily basis. Should I stop now because you don’t think I accept them enough? What, pray tell, are you doing on a daily basis (besides posting on DCUM) that actually literally and physically helps them?

I want sports segregated by biological sex. Again, tell me how this violates their rights.

If you think that being trans is itself a mental illness then that implies that not being trans is the cure.

+1

You don't respect them for the people that they are.

Let’s say a trans patient comes to me in pain, with a raging infection, and I incise and drain that infection, and give them antibiotics. At their follow up their infection is gone, they are healthy, and we may actually share come banter about weather or sports or some such. We probably laugh a little too.
At the end they say “thanks doc!” and I say “it was a pleasure meeting you. See you next time.”

What you’re saying is this is NOT compassionate care? Are you literally saying my care of this patient is inferior to someone who does not think trans people have a mental illness? Inferior to someone who thinks transwomen should compete in athletics agains biological women? Because if that’s what you’re saying, we have completely different definitions of compassionate care.

You are polite, but you don't think they should exist as who they are. Doesn't get much more disrespectful than that.

I give compassionate care. You clearly cannot dispute that.

And FYI believing they have a mental illness does not mean they shouldn’t exist as who they are. They can exist any way they want to. They don’t need my approval or belief in their life choices to do so.

Right. Polite to their face, but disrespectful to their fundamental existence.

If you think it's acceptable then why don't you share your true beliefs with them and/or your co-workers? Why put on a false front?

I am a healthcare worker. I literally took a vow to treat people with care and compassion. Which is what I do. Are you really asking why I wouldn’t share my beliefs with them? Do you really think in the context of my work I should? What would that accomplish?

My coworkers know. Many of them share my beliefs. That’s right - many healthcare workers in a mental health facility share my beliefs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Evidence what happened? (DP). That they had to change while Lia was present? That Lia hadn’t had “bottom surgery”?

But where is evidence that "brightest scholar athletes in this country are told they will lose scholarships and jobs"?

9:00 mark. From the Penn administration. “Don’t talk to the media. You will regret it.”
https://twitter.com/mattwalshblog/status/1665860950409244673?s=46&t=X605tXq86EtH5m7JHoGWFQ

The "team mate" is anti-trans conservative who follows Daily Wire, Independent Women's Forum, Newsmax, Tucker Carlson, Tomi Lahren, DeSantis, Trump, "anti-wokeness", etc.

And she is BIG on misgendering people.
https://twitter.com/PaulaYScanlan/

If one political party is on the side of the university administration that threatened you as a 19-year-old, why would you trust that political party? The mainstream media and the Democratic Party have made it clear that they are on the side of the power structure that threatened her. Of course she is going to follow the people on Twitter who believe her and listen to her. You can’t even call her a teammate without using air quotes to imply she’s lying about that basic fact.

One of the things that is absolutely infuriating about this entire discussion is how rabidly and viciously supposedly liberal media and political figures attack women who have spoken up about their experiences with transwomen in spaces that used to be for biological women. And people see this. They see the screaming mob that assaulted Riley Gaines at SFSU. They see the attacks that have immediately come forward towards Paula Scanlan. They see the death threats, the doxxing, the attacks. It’s deeply problematic behavior with misogynist roots and it’s infuriating how supposedly liberal people engage in it.

There is nothing "misogynist" about defending the basic rights of vulnerable people from the political party that is actively trying to take away rights.

People are criticizing her words and actions. This has nothing to do with her gender.

You are accusing Scanlan of lying. Be specific about what you are doing.

Accusing women who tell their stories of harassment and intimidation of lying is absolutely misogyny. It is in fact textbook misogyny.

Accusing RWNJs of misrepresenting the truth is not misogyny.

Women are not fragile flowers that cannot be criticized. That is condescending AF.

What is she specifically misrepresenting? What is she lying about? Please be exact and specific. You have no problem referring to her as a “teammate” in air quotes — do you have evidence she wasn’t actually on the team?

Unless you can identify both specific lies and evidence to support your claims that she lied, you remain correctly identified as a misogynist, because your immediate response to a woman telling a story of harassment and intimidation is to attack her and smear her as a liar.

Most ordinary Americans will hear Scanlan’s interview and be justifiably horrified. So if you are going to attack her and accuse her of lying, you had better have some good evidence of that claim.

She gets no special treatment because she has a vagina. Stop patronizing women.

I accused RWNJs of misrepresenting the truth. Which happens constantly in the US and on DCUM. "Alternate facts" and such. I don't trust a word that any RWNJ says.

So yes, thanks for confirming you are a misogynist. You are smearing a woman sharing her experience of harassment and intimidation because you disagree with her politics.

This is not a good look for you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every single item on the anti-trans wish list could be fulfilled and it wouldn't be enough. Trans people in sports, locker rooms, even bathrooms. Trans kids being refused gender affirming care. Even forcing trans kids to "therapy" that is supposed to "cure" transness through prayer or trying really hard not to transition.

It wouldn't be enough. When you talk to most of these people and they're honest, they actually want to ban all trans people of all ages from transitioning. They don't want trans women and trans men to transition and just stay home. It has little to do with bathrooms or kids.

This is not true for me at all. I am the PP with many trans patients. I treat them with kindness and respect. But I want sports, prisons and bathrooms separated by biological sex. I’m not asking for a lot. I’m not violating anyone’s rights with my request.

While fighting against their rights and calling them mentally ill behind their backs. No one cares that you are polite in person.

What rights am I fighting against?

I believe THEY care. But the keyboard warrior over here demands that I accept everything about them or else my work is invalid? Is that what you’re saying? I work with these patients and help them on a daily basis. Should I stop now because you don’t think I accept them enough? What, pray tell, are you doing on a daily basis (besides posting on DCUM) that actually literally and physically helps them?

I want sports segregated by biological sex. Again, tell me how this violates their rights.

If you think that being trans is itself a mental illness then that implies that not being trans is the cure.

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You don't respect them for the people that they are.

Let’s say a trans patient comes to me in pain, with a raging infection, and I incise and drain that infection, and give them antibiotics. At their follow up their infection is gone, they are healthy, and we may actually share come banter about weather or sports or some such. We probably laugh a little too.
At the end they say “thanks doc!” and I say “it was a pleasure meeting you. See you next time.”

What you’re saying is this is NOT compassionate care? Are you literally saying my care of this patient is inferior to someone who does not think trans people have a mental illness? Inferior to someone who thinks transwomen should compete in athletics agains biological women? Because if that’s what you’re saying, we have completely different definitions of compassionate care.

You are polite, but you don't think they should exist as who they are. Doesn't get much more disrespectful than that.

I give compassionate care. You clearly cannot dispute that.

And FYI believing they have a mental illness does not mean they shouldn’t exist as who they are. They can exist any way they want to. They don’t need my approval or belief in their life choices to do so.

Right. Polite to their face, but disrespectful to their fundamental existence.

If you think it's acceptable then why don't you share your true beliefs with them and/or your co-workers? Why put on a false front?

I am a healthcare worker. I literally took a vow to treat people with care and compassion. Which is what I do. Are you really asking why I wouldn’t share my beliefs with them? Do you really think in the context of my work I should? What would that accomplish?

My coworkers know. Many of them share my beliefs. That’s right - many healthcare workers in a mental health facility share my beliefs.

How many with an actual MD share that belief?

Your patients should know so they have the option to request someone else.

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Anonymous wrote:Evidence what happened? (DP). That they had to change while Lia was present? That Lia hadn’t had “bottom surgery”?

But where is evidence that "brightest scholar athletes in this country are told they will lose scholarships and jobs"?

9:00 mark. From the Penn administration. “Don’t talk to the media. You will regret it.”
https://twitter.com/mattwalshblog/status/1665860950409244673?s=46&t=X605tXq86EtH5m7JHoGWFQ

The "team mate" is anti-trans conservative who follows Daily Wire, Independent Women's Forum, Newsmax, Tucker Carlson, Tomi Lahren, DeSantis, Trump, "anti-wokeness", etc.

And she is BIG on misgendering people.
https://twitter.com/PaulaYScanlan/

If one political party is on the side of the university administration that threatened you as a 19-year-old, why would you trust that political party? The mainstream media and the Democratic Party have made it clear that they are on the side of the power structure that threatened her. Of course she is going to follow the people on Twitter who believe her and listen to her. You can’t even call her a teammate without using air quotes to imply she’s lying about that basic fact.

One of the things that is absolutely infuriating about this entire discussion is how rabidly and viciously supposedly liberal media and political figures attack women who have spoken up about their experiences with transwomen in spaces that used to be for biological women. And people see this. They see the screaming mob that assaulted Riley Gaines at SFSU. They see the attacks that have immediately come forward towards Paula Scanlan. They see the death threats, the doxxing, the attacks. It’s deeply problematic behavior with misogynist roots and it’s infuriating how supposedly liberal people engage in it.

There is nothing "misogynist" about defending the basic rights of vulnerable people from the political party that is actively trying to take away rights.

People are criticizing her words and actions. This has nothing to do with her gender.

You are accusing Scanlan of lying. Be specific about what you are doing.

Accusing women who tell their stories of harassment and intimidation of lying is absolutely misogyny. It is in fact textbook misogyny.

Accusing RWNJs of misrepresenting the truth is not misogyny.

Women are not fragile flowers that cannot be criticized. That is condescending AF.

What is she specifically misrepresenting? What is she lying about? Please be exact and specific. You have no problem referring to her as a “teammate” in air quotes — do you have evidence she wasn’t actually on the team?

Unless you can identify both specific lies and evidence to support your claims that she lied, you remain correctly identified as a misogynist, because your immediate response to a woman telling a story of harassment and intimidation is to attack her and smear her as a liar.

Most ordinary Americans will hear Scanlan’s interview and be justifiably horrified. So if you are going to attack her and accuse her of lying, you had better have some good evidence of that claim.

She gets no special treatment because she has a vagina. Stop patronizing women.

I accused RWNJs of misrepresenting the truth. Which happens constantly in the US and on DCUM. "Alternate facts" and such. I don't trust a word that any RWNJ says.

So yes, thanks for confirming you are a misogynist. You are smearing a woman sharing her experience of harassment and intimidation because you disagree with her politics.

This is not a good look for you.

If that is what you think then it's certainly not misogyny.

I will call out crappy positions of all people who have crappy positions. Even if they have a vagina.

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Anonymous wrote:Every single item on the anti-trans wish list could be fulfilled and it wouldn't be enough. Trans people in sports, locker rooms, even bathrooms. Trans kids being refused gender affirming care. Even forcing trans kids to "therapy" that is supposed to "cure" transness through prayer or trying really hard not to transition.

It wouldn't be enough. When you talk to most of these people and they're honest, they actually want to ban all trans people of all ages from transitioning. They don't want trans women and trans men to transition and just stay home. It has little to do with bathrooms or kids.

This is not true for me at all. I am the PP with many trans patients. I treat them with kindness and respect. But I want sports, prisons and bathrooms separated by biological sex. I’m not asking for a lot. I’m not violating anyone’s rights with my request.

While fighting against their rights and calling them mentally ill behind their backs. No one cares that you are polite in person.

What rights am I fighting against?

I believe THEY care. But the keyboard warrior over here demands that I accept everything about them or else my work is invalid? Is that what you’re saying? I work with these patients and help them on a daily basis. Should I stop now because you don’t think I accept them enough? What, pray tell, are you doing on a daily basis (besides posting on DCUM) that actually literally and physically helps them?

I want sports segregated by biological sex. Again, tell me how this violates their rights.

If you think that being trans is itself a mental illness then that implies that not being trans is the cure.

+1

You don't respect them for the people that they are.

Let’s say a trans patient comes to me in pain, with a raging infection, and I incise and drain that infection, and give them antibiotics. At their follow up their infection is gone, they are healthy, and we may actually share come banter about weather or sports or some such. We probably laugh a little too.
At the end they say “thanks doc!” and I say “it was a pleasure meeting you. See you next time.”

What you’re saying is this is NOT compassionate care? Are you literally saying my care of this patient is inferior to someone who does not think trans people have a mental illness? Inferior to someone who thinks transwomen should compete in athletics agains biological women? Because if that’s what you’re saying, we have completely different definitions of compassionate care.

You are polite, but you don't think they should exist as who they are. Doesn't get much more disrespectful than that.

I give compassionate care. You clearly cannot dispute that.

And FYI believing they have a mental illness does not mean they shouldn’t exist as who they are. They can exist any way they want to. They don’t need my approval or belief in their life choices to do so.

Right. Polite to their face, but disrespectful to their fundamental existence.

If you think it's acceptable then why don't you share your true beliefs with them and/or your co-workers? Why put on a false front?

I am a healthcare worker. I literally took a vow to treat people with care and compassion. Which is what I do. Are you really asking why I wouldn’t share my beliefs with them? Do you really think in the context of my work I should? What would that accomplish?

My coworkers know. Many of them share my beliefs. That’s right - many healthcare workers in a mental health facility share my beliefs.

How many with an actual MD share that belief?

Your patients should know so they have the option to request someone else.

This is absolutely laughable on so many levels. Maybe we should be presenting our patients with not only our CV but an exhaustive list of our religion, political beliefs, upbringing, what hobbies we enjoy, who we associate with, what charities we donate to, whether or not we eat at chic fil a - so that way they can choose a provider they’re comfortable with. Brilliant! I think we should actually start doing this not only with trans patients, but all patients.

That stupidity aside, do you know how difficult it is to get people to work in a mental health facility? Doctors and nurses aren’t exactly banging down our doors. In my specialty, I’m the only option.

It is absolutely outrageous to me that in one single workday I am doing more for the health of trans people than you’ve probably done in your whole life, yet you have a problem with my care because I don’t believe the exact same thing you do. I’m not treating these people in your accepted “correct” way. I mean do you hear yourself?!?

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Anonymous wrote:Every single item on the anti-trans wish list could be fulfilled and it wouldn't be enough. Trans people in sports, locker rooms, even bathrooms. Trans kids being refused gender affirming care. Even forcing trans kids to "therapy" that is supposed to "cure" transness through prayer or trying really hard not to transition.

It wouldn't be enough. When you talk to most of these people and they're honest, they actually want to ban all trans people of all ages from transitioning. They don't want trans women and trans men to transition and just stay home. It has little to do with bathrooms or kids.

This is not true for me at all. I am the PP with many trans patients. I treat them with kindness and respect. But I want sports, prisons and bathrooms separated by biological sex. I’m not asking for a lot. I’m not violating anyone’s rights with my request.

While fighting against their rights and calling them mentally ill behind their backs. No one cares that you are polite in person.

What rights am I fighting against?

I believe THEY care. But the keyboard warrior over here demands that I accept everything about them or else my work is invalid? Is that what you’re saying? I work with these patients and help them on a daily basis. Should I stop now because you don’t think I accept them enough? What, pray tell, are you doing on a daily basis (besides posting on DCUM) that actually literally and physically helps them?

I want sports segregated by biological sex. Again, tell me how this violates their rights.

If you think that being trans is itself a mental illness then that implies that not being trans is the cure.

+1

You don't respect them for the people that they are.

Let’s say a trans patient comes to me in pain, with a raging infection, and I incise and drain that infection, and give them antibiotics. At their follow up their infection is gone, they are healthy, and we may actually share come banter about weather or sports or some such. We probably laugh a little too.
At the end they say “thanks doc!” and I say “it was a pleasure meeting you. See you next time.”

What you’re saying is this is NOT compassionate care? Are you literally saying my care of this patient is inferior to someone who does not think trans people have a mental illness? Inferior to someone who thinks transwomen should compete in athletics agains biological women? Because if that’s what you’re saying, we have completely different definitions of compassionate care.

You are polite, but you don't think they should exist as who they are. Doesn't get much more disrespectful than that.

I give compassionate care. You clearly cannot dispute that.

And FYI believing they have a mental illness does not mean they shouldn’t exist as who they are. They can exist any way they want to. They don’t need my approval or belief in their life choices to do so.

Right. Polite to their face, but disrespectful to their fundamental existence.

If you think it's acceptable then why don't you share your true beliefs with them and/or your co-workers? Why put on a false front?

I am a healthcare worker. I literally took a vow to treat people with care and compassion. Which is what I do. Are you really asking why I wouldn’t share my beliefs with them? Do you really think in the context of my work I should? What would that accomplish?

My coworkers know. Many of them share my beliefs. That’s right - many healthcare workers in a mental health facility share my beliefs.

How many with an actual MD share that belief?

Your patients should know so they have the option to request someone else.

This is absolutely laughable on so many levels. Maybe we should be presenting our patients with not only our CV but an exhaustive list of our religion, political beliefs, upbringing, what hobbies we enjoy, who we associate with, what charities we donate to, whether or not we eat at chic fil a - so that way they can choose a provider they’re comfortable with. Brilliant! I think we should actually start doing this not only with trans patients, but all patients.

That stupidity aside, do you know how difficult it is to get people to work in a mental health facility? Doctors and nurses aren’t exactly banging down our doors. In my specialty, I’m the only option.

It is absolutely outrageous to me that in one single workday I am doing more for the health of trans people than you’ve probably done in your whole life, yet you have a problem with my care because I don’t believe the exact same thing you do. I’m not treating these people in your accepted “correct” way. I mean do you hear yourself?!?

I would not see any medical care worker who wants to take away people's rights.

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Anonymous wrote:Every single item on the anti-trans wish list could be fulfilled and it wouldn't be enough. Trans people in sports, locker rooms, even bathrooms. Trans kids being refused gender affirming care. Even forcing trans kids to "therapy" that is supposed to "cure" transness through prayer or trying really hard not to transition.

It wouldn't be enough. When you talk to most of these people and they're honest, they actually want to ban all trans people of all ages from transitioning. They don't want trans women and trans men to transition and just stay home. It has little to do with bathrooms or kids.

This is not true for me at all. I am the PP with many trans patients. I treat them with kindness and respect. But I want sports, prisons and bathrooms separated by biological sex. I’m not asking for a lot. I’m not violating anyone’s rights with my request.

While fighting against their rights and calling them mentally ill behind their backs. No one cares that you are polite in person.

What rights am I fighting against?

I believe THEY care. But the keyboard warrior over here demands that I accept everything about them or else my work is invalid? Is that what you’re saying? I work with these patients and help them on a daily basis. Should I stop now because you don’t think I accept them enough? What, pray tell, are you doing on a daily basis (besides posting on DCUM) that actually literally and physically helps them?

I want sports segregated by biological sex. Again, tell me how this violates their rights.

If you think that being trans is itself a mental illness then that implies that not being trans is the cure.

+1

You don't respect them for the people that they are.

Let’s say a trans patient comes to me in pain, with a raging infection, and I incise and drain that infection, and give them antibiotics. At their follow up their infection is gone, they are healthy, and we may actually share come banter about weather or sports or some such. We probably laugh a little too.
At the end they say “thanks doc!” and I say “it was a pleasure meeting you. See you next time.”

What you’re saying is this is NOT compassionate care? Are you literally saying my care of this patient is inferior to someone who does not think trans people have a mental illness? Inferior to someone who thinks transwomen should compete in athletics agains biological women? Because if that’s what you’re saying, we have completely different definitions of compassionate care.

You are polite, but you don't think they should exist as who they are. Doesn't get much more disrespectful than that.

I give compassionate care. You clearly cannot dispute that.

And FYI believing they have a mental illness does not mean they shouldn’t exist as who they are. They can exist any way they want to. They don’t need my approval or belief in their life choices to do so.

Right. Polite to their face, but disrespectful to their fundamental existence.

If you think it's acceptable then why don't you share your true beliefs with them and/or your co-workers? Why put on a false front?

I am a healthcare worker. I literally took a vow to treat people with care and compassion. Which is what I do. Are you really asking why I wouldn’t share my beliefs with them? Do you really think in the context of my work I should? What would that accomplish?

My coworkers know. Many of them share my beliefs. That’s right - many healthcare workers in a mental health facility share my beliefs.

How many with an actual MD share that belief?

Your patients should know so they have the option to request someone else.

This is absolutely laughable on so many levels. Maybe we should be presenting our patients with not only our CV but an exhaustive list of our religion, political beliefs, upbringing, what hobbies we enjoy, who we associate with, what charities we donate to, whether or not we eat at chic fil a - so that way they can choose a provider they’re comfortable with. Brilliant! I think we should actually start doing this not only with trans patients, but all patients.

That stupidity aside, do you know how difficult it is to get people to work in a mental health facility? Doctors and nurses aren’t exactly banging down our doors. In my specialty, I’m the only option.

It is absolutely outrageous to me that in one single workday I am doing more for the health of trans people than you’ve probably done in your whole life, yet you have a problem with my care because I don’t believe the exact same thing you do. I’m not treating these people in your accepted “correct” way. I mean do you hear yourself?!?

I would not see any medical care worker who wants to take away people's rights.

Spoken like a truly privileged DCUMer. Well done.

Once again, tell me what rights I am trying to take away. No one has done that yet. No one.