The White Lotus season 2

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Anonymous wrote:The gays definitely seem like con artists. Tonya’s story of “I was born in SF” was funny though. Why is the young guy (Portia’s love interest) with them?

Agree with how painfully realistic Portia ditching Albie was. I wonder if Lucia has a long game with Alvie since I think she knows he’s the son.

Are the hotel managers at White Lotuses all gay and don’t understand workplace harassment though?!

I think Portia’s young guy is Tom Hollander’s character’s nephew. And yes, the way they swept Tanya and Portia up and solved all their problems seems suspect. I was on the fence though because sometimes groups of older gay men can be that way— just out to make friends and have a great time. And I could see them being drawn to Tanya because of how she looks and how emotional she is. I’d actually be a little surprised if the show portrayed the gay men in this season as con men because it’s not like Armand got a generous edit last season either.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious about the guy in the pool that portia was watching when she left with albie. Are we supposed to know who that is? If so I missed it.

Also, the piano player. I feel like there's something going on with him too.

I think one of them kills the other during an attempted sexual assault.

Referring to piano player.

Portia was just trying to get lucky. The guy was doing his mating dance.

Portia is such a loser. Just throw your phone away and stop whining!

Those god awful sandals in Italy of all places!! Barf. Everyone time I see her step out in those I cringe.

Her entire wardrobe nauseates me, but it’s Gen Z fashion, and spot on.

Well Gen Z fashion is hideous and really every fashion now is equally hideous.

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Anonymous wrote:WHY DIDN’T HARPER SAY SOMETHING ABIUT THE CONDOM WRAPPER?! I was shouting at the tv.

Do you think the college friend planted it to “play games”?

I think she didn't ask him because she had just made that speech about how "fine" they are when she is clearly enormously insecure about her marriage. She's so triumphant about how fake Cameron and Daphne are, but the truth is that she wants that kind of affection with Ethan, just without the cheating. And she and Ethan haven't had sex once on this vacation and if Ethan's previous little speech is evidence, they haven't had frequent sex in awhile. She has to be wondering where Ethan is getting his sexual needs met. And whoever said that waverunner scene was gay AF, well, how about Ethan and Cameron in bed. What was that?

I can't quite make out the gays and Tanya storyline. It feels really scammy, but what's the angle? Maybe it sets up a blowup with Greg when he returns.

I am not going to dog on Portia, because honestly, I would have done exactly what she did. Except I think Jack is nasty and I wouldn't have picked him over Albie. But in my 20's I was anything but direct and would have been a duplicitous little B instead of being direct.

Albie and Lucia are icky and I feel bad for him. His dad will not be able to keep his mouth shut and that's just going to make it all the worse.

I don't really understand where things are going with Mia and Lucia. Lucia's repentance seemed awfully sudden, as did Mia's reversal.

I am hugely intrigued by Valentina. Her behavior is so...off. She's the manager, but every request a guest has made is flatly rebuffed. And then she doesn't care. Or maybe it's just Dominic? And then she buys jewelry for Isabella (I think that's her name) after one conversation which was almost totally focused on work. And then physically forces the gift on her?

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Anonymous wrote:WHY DIDN’T HARPER SAY SOMETHING ABIUT THE CONDOM WRAPPER?! I was shouting at the tv.

Do you think the college friend planted it to “play games”?

I think she didn't ask him because she had just made that speech about how "fine" they are when she is clearly enormously insecure about her marriage. She's so triumphant about how fake Cameron and Daphne are, but the truth is that she wants that kind of affection with Ethan, just without the cheating. And she and Ethan haven't had sex once on this vacation and if Ethan's previous little speech is evidence, they haven't had frequent sex in awhile. She has to be wondering where Ethan is getting his sexual needs met. And whoever said that waverunner scene was gay AF, well, how about Ethan and Cameron in bed. What was that?

I can't quite make out the gays and Tanya storyline. It feels really scammy, but what's the angle? Maybe it sets up a blowup with Greg when he returns.

I am not going to dog on Portia, because honestly, I would have done exactly what she did. Except I think Jack is nasty and I wouldn't have picked him over Albie. But in my 20's I was anything but direct and would have been a duplicitous little B instead of being direct.

Albie and Lucia are icky and I feel bad for him. His dad will not be able to keep his mouth shut and that's just going to make it all the worse.

I don't really understand where things are going with Mia and Lucia. Lucia's repentance seemed awfully sudden, as did Mia's reversal.

I am hugely intrigued by Valentina. Her behavior is so...off. She's the manager, but every request a guest has made is flatly rebuffed. And then she doesn't care. Or maybe it's just Dominic? And then she buys jewelry for Isabella (I think that's her name) after one conversation which was almost totally focused on work. And then physically forces the gift on her?

I think it's the other way round. He will be desperate for Albie not to know. If Lucia can make Albie catch feelings for her, she can then blackmail Dominic for keeping her mouth shut about their involvement.

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Anonymous wrote:WHY DIDN’T HARPER SAY SOMETHING ABIUT THE CONDOM WRAPPER?! I was shouting at the tv.

Do you think the college friend planted it to “play games”?

I think she didn't ask him because she had just made that speech about how "fine" they are when she is clearly enormously insecure about her marriage. She's so triumphant about how fake Cameron and Daphne are, but the truth is that she wants that kind of affection with Ethan, just without the cheating. And she and Ethan haven't had sex once on this vacation and if Ethan's previous little speech is evidence, they haven't had frequent sex in awhile. She has to be wondering where Ethan is getting his sexual needs met. And whoever said that waverunner scene was gay AF, well, how about Ethan and Cameron in bed. What was that?

I can't quite make out the gays and Tanya storyline. It feels really scammy, but what's the angle? Maybe it sets up a blowup with Greg when he returns.

I am not going to dog on Portia, because honestly, I would have done exactly what she did. Except I think Jack is nasty and I wouldn't have picked him over Albie. But in my 20's I was anything but direct and would have been a duplicitous little B instead of being direct.

Albie and Lucia are icky and I feel bad for him. His dad will not be able to keep his mouth shut and that's just going to make it all the worse.

I don't really understand where things are going with Mia and Lucia. Lucia's repentance seemed awfully sudden, as did Mia's reversal.

I am hugely intrigued by Valentina. Her behavior is so...off. She's the manager, but every request a guest has made is flatly rebuffed. And then she doesn't care. Or maybe it's just Dominic? And then she buys jewelry for Isabella (I think that's her name) after one conversation which was almost totally focused on work. And then physically forces the gift on her?

I think it's the other way round. He will be desperate for Albie not to know. If Lucia can make Albie catch feelings for her, she can then blackmail Dominic for keeping her mouth shut about their involvement.

DP but I'd kind of enjoy it if went this way because probably the only characters I'm "rooting" for are Lucia and Mia to get some cash so they can stop living how they are living. I very much agreed with Lucia that this is no way to live -- they don't even have a place to sleep unless they scam their way into someone's room! In Season 1, the non-rich people were all hotel staff and there was some obvious inequities on display but at least all of the staff in Season 1 could go home at the end of the day and sleep in their own beds. I want Lucia to get her store and Mia to find a job singing somewhere.

But White Lotus isn't exactly a "happy ending" show so probably they will wind up dead in the water.

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Anonymous wrote:WHY DIDN’T HARPER SAY SOMETHING ABIUT THE CONDOM WRAPPER?! I was shouting at the tv.

Do you think the college friend planted it to “play games”?

I think she didn't ask him because she had just made that speech about how "fine" they are when she is clearly enormously insecure about her marriage. She's so triumphant about how fake Cameron and Daphne are, but the truth is that she wants that kind of affection with Ethan, just without the cheating. And she and Ethan haven't had sex once on this vacation and if Ethan's previous little speech is evidence, they haven't had frequent sex in awhile. She has to be wondering where Ethan is getting his sexual needs met. And whoever said that waverunner scene was gay AF, well, how about Ethan and Cameron in bed. What was that?

I can't quite make out the gays and Tanya storyline. It feels really scammy, but what's the angle? Maybe it sets up a blowup with Greg when he returns.

I am not going to dog on Portia, because honestly, I would have done exactly what she did. Except I think Jack is nasty and I wouldn't have picked him over Albie. But in my 20's I was anything but direct and would have been a duplicitous little B instead of being direct.

Albie and Lucia are icky and I feel bad for him. His dad will not be able to keep his mouth shut and that's just going to make it all the worse.

I don't really understand where things are going with Mia and Lucia. Lucia's repentance seemed awfully sudden, as did Mia's reversal.

I am hugely intrigued by Valentina. Her behavior is so...off. She's the manager, but every request a guest has made is flatly rebuffed. And then she doesn't care. Or maybe it's just Dominic? And then she buys jewelry for Isabella (I think that's her name) after one conversation which was almost totally focused on work. And then physically forces the gift on her?

I think it's the other way round. He will be desperate for Albie not to know. If Lucia can make Albie catch feelings for her, she can then blackmail Dominic for keeping her mouth shut about their involvement.

DP but I'd kind of enjoy it if went this way because probably the only characters I'm "rooting" for are Lucia and Mia to get some cash so they can stop living how they are living. I very much agreed with Lucia that this is no way to live -- they don't even have a place to sleep unless they scam their way into someone's room! In Season 1, the non-rich people were all hotel staff and there was some obvious inequities on display but at least all of the staff in Season 1 could go home at the end of the day and sleep in their own beds. I want Lucia to get her store and Mia to find a job singing somewhere.

But White Lotus isn't exactly a "happy ending" show so probably they will wind up dead in the water.

The other non rich person on season 1 was the daughters friend who was vacationing with the family, and who ended up screwing over the hotel staff member she was hooking up with.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious about the guy in the pool that portia was watching when she left with albie. Are we supposed to know who that is? If so I missed it.

Also, the piano player. I feel like there's something going on with him too.

I think one of them kills the other during an attempted sexual assault.

Referring to piano player.

Portia was just trying to get lucky. The guy was doing his mating dance.

Portia is such a loser. Just throw your phone away and stop whining!

She is also very average looking and is a fool for not liking the rich guy Albie who likes her! Oh well I was stupid too when I was her age

You know, you’re insulting the looks of an actress, not a fictional character.

DP. Give me a break. She’s attractive, but they cast this particular actress for a reason. As well as Albie. They’re supposed to be average looking. That’s how casting works.

I mean, none of the women on this show are Grace Kelly or Elizabeth Taylor. Why pick on this one?

They put her in ridiculous clothes on purpose. She’s a slave to Tanya. Everything about her character is inviting us to dump on her.

So you think punching down is perfectly acceptable then? Personally I find her much more relatable and likeable than Tanya (who is no great looker herself).

Oh my goodness. Punching down? These are fictional characters. Of course she’s more relatable and likable than Tanya. Tanya is supposed to evoke nothing but pity.

Look, just stop ragging on her looks. Or post a photo of yourself, so we can decide where you fall on the beauty scale.

She’s a short fat frumpy lawyer you won’t get a pic

Haley is short and longer torso but looks way better in real life and better clothes and makeup than this show.

Agree. Also, if you look at previous photos of her, it's pretty clear that she gained weight for this role. Maybe put on an extra 15-20 pounds?

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Anonymous wrote:WHY DIDN’T HARPER SAY SOMETHING ABIUT THE CONDOM WRAPPER?! I was shouting at the tv.

Do you think the college friend planted it to “play games”?

I think she didn't ask him because she had just made that speech about how "fine" they are when she is clearly enormously insecure about her marriage. She's so triumphant about how fake Cameron and Daphne are, but the truth is that she wants that kind of affection with Ethan, just without the cheating. And she and Ethan haven't had sex once on this vacation and if Ethan's previous little speech is evidence, they haven't had frequent sex in awhile. She has to be wondering where Ethan is getting his sexual needs met. And whoever said that waverunner scene was gay AF, well, how about Ethan and Cameron in bed. What was that?

I can't quite make out the gays and Tanya storyline. It feels really scammy, but what's the angle? Maybe it sets up a blowup with Greg when he returns.

I am not going to dog on Portia, because honestly, I would have done exactly what she did. Except I think Jack is nasty and I wouldn't have picked him over Albie. But in my 20's I was anything but direct and would have been a duplicitous little B instead of being direct.

Albie and Lucia are icky and I feel bad for him. His dad will not be able to keep his mouth shut and that's just going to make it all the worse.

I don't really understand where things are going with Mia and Lucia. Lucia's repentance seemed awfully sudden, as did Mia's reversal.

I am hugely intrigued by Valentina. Her behavior is so...off. She's the manager, but every request a guest has made is flatly rebuffed. And then she doesn't care. Or maybe it's just Dominic? And then she buys jewelry for Isabella (I think that's her name) after one conversation which was almost totally focused on work. And then physically forces the gift on her?

I think it's the other way round. He will be desperate for Albie not to know. If Lucia can make Albie catch feelings for her, she can then blackmail Dominic for keeping her mouth shut about their involvement.

I definitely think Lucia is angling for a trip to LA so I can see it. And it's not going to be hard to gt Albie to have feelings for her.

My thought on Dominic is that he's going to think he's warning/helping Albie and will use it as an example of him "changing" even though he hasn't really done anything to change. Either way, I think it definitely comes out.

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Anonymous wrote:WHY DIDN’T HARPER SAY SOMETHING ABIUT THE CONDOM WRAPPER?! I was shouting at the tv.

Do you think the college friend planted it to “play games”?

I think she didn't ask him because she had just made that speech about how "fine" they are when she is clearly enormously insecure about her marriage. She's so triumphant about how fake Cameron and Daphne are, but the truth is that she wants that kind of affection with Ethan, just without the cheating. And she and Ethan haven't had sex once on this vacation and if Ethan's previous little speech is evidence, they haven't had frequent sex in awhile. She has to be wondering where Ethan is getting his sexual needs met. And whoever said that waverunner scene was gay AF, well, how about Ethan and Cameron in bed. What was that?

I can't quite make out the gays and Tanya storyline. It feels really scammy, but what's the angle? Maybe it sets up a blowup with Greg when he returns.

I am not going to dog on Portia, because honestly, I would have done exactly what she did. Except I think Jack is nasty and I wouldn't have picked him over Albie. But in my 20's I was anything but direct and would have been a duplicitous little B instead of being direct.

Albie and Lucia are icky and I feel bad for him. His dad will not be able to keep his mouth shut and that's just going to make it all the worse.

I don't really understand where things are going with Mia and Lucia. Lucia's repentance seemed awfully sudden, as did Mia's reversal.

I am hugely intrigued by Valentina. Her behavior is so...off. She's the manager, but every request a guest has made is flatly rebuffed. And then she doesn't care. Or maybe it's just Dominic? And then she buys jewelry for Isabella (I think that's her name) after one conversation which was almost totally focused on work. And then physically forces the gift on her?

I think it's the other way round. He will be desperate for Albie not to know. If Lucia can make Albie catch feelings for her, she can then blackmail Dominic for keeping her mouth shut about their involvement.

DP but I'd kind of enjoy it if went this way because probably the only characters I'm "rooting" for are Lucia and Mia to get some cash so they can stop living how they are living. I very much agreed with Lucia that this is no way to live -- they don't even have a place to sleep unless they scam their way into someone's room! In Season 1, the non-rich people were all hotel staff and there was some obvious inequities on display but at least all of the staff in Season 1 could go home at the end of the day and sleep in their own beds. I want Lucia to get her store and Mia to find a job singing somewhere.

But White Lotus isn't exactly a "happy ending" show so probably they will wind up dead in the water.

I thought it was the girls at first but Lucia’s line about how all whores end up punished makes it almost too obvious now.

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Maybe Dominic kills Lucia to shut her up?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Dominic kills Lucia to shut her up?

We have zero evidence that Dominic is even capable of the level of emotion or violence to murder someone. He's not a great guy and obviously has his demons, but temperamentally he's very low key and never gets angry.

One of the reasons the murder in Season 1 worked is that even though it was an accident, it was also fully in keeping with the relationship between Armand and Shane up to that point. It made sense that Armand broke into Shane's room to defacate in his suitcase, because Armand was a very petty character with an axe to grind. And while Shane stabs Armand accidentally, it is totally believable that he would grab the knife and go sneaking around the suite looking for the intruder, instead of calling security.

I think if the show had Dom kill Lucia to keep her silent, it would be a dark turn in a direction the show avoids. It's not really about people being evil on purpose. It's about people being kind of evil as a matter of course, because that's how the world is set up and because it's expedient to them in the moment. It's hard to see how Dom murdering Lucia fits into that.

I think if the bodies in the water were murdered, it's got to be by a character who seems capable of it (my money is on Cameron, Harper, or Valentina, all of whom I think have some base level rage that could be drawn out of them) or by a fringe character or someone we haven't met. And since we see Valentina in the first scene and she seems surprised to hear about the bodies, it's probably not her.

I also think it's likely the bodies are not the result of a murder, but an overdose (once again, lots of drugs floating around this season) or an accident on the cliffs.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Dominic kills Lucia to shut her up?

We have zero evidence that Dominic is even capable of the level of emotion or violence to murder someone. He's not a great guy and obviously has his demons, but temperamentally he's very low key and never gets angry.

One of the reasons the murder in Season 1 worked is that even though it was an accident, it was also fully in keeping with the relationship between Armand and Shane up to that point. It made sense that Armand broke into Shane's room to defacate in his suitcase, because Armand was a very petty character with an axe to grind. And while Shane stabs Armand accidentally, it is totally believable that he would grab the knife and go sneaking around the suite looking for the intruder, instead of calling security.

I think if the show had Dom kill Lucia to keep her silent, it would be a dark turn in a direction the show avoids. It's not really about people being evil on purpose. It's about people being kind of evil as a matter of course, because that's how the world is set up and because it's expedient to them in the moment. It's hard to see how Dom murdering Lucia fits into that.

I think if the bodies in the water were murdered, it's got to be by a character who seems capable of it (my money is on Cameron, Harper, or Valentina, all of whom I think have some base level rage that could be drawn out of them) or by a fringe character or someone we haven't met. And since we see Valentina in the first scene and she seems surprised to hear about the bodies, it's probably not her.

I also think it's likely the bodies are not the result of a murder, but an overdose (once again, lots of drugs floating around this season) or an accident on the cliffs.

The bodies in the water seemed to be foreshadowed in the story that Tanya’s new gay friend was telling her about the house on the cliff, and the old lady who owned it who was found dead floating in the rocks after she declined to sell it to aggressive local “investors” aka the mob. No idea how it all connects yet because we don’t have enough info and we are still meeting new characters.

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Anonymous wrote:WHY DIDN’T HARPER SAY SOMETHING ABIUT THE CONDOM WRAPPER?! I was shouting at the tv.

Do you think the college friend planted it to “play games”?

I think she didn't ask him because she had just made that speech about how "fine" they are when she is clearly enormously insecure about her marriage. She's so triumphant about how fake Cameron and Daphne are, but the truth is that she wants that kind of affection with Ethan, just without the cheating. And she and Ethan haven't had sex once on this vacation and if Ethan's previous little speech is evidence, they haven't had frequent sex in awhile. She has to be wondering where Ethan is getting his sexual needs met. And whoever said that waverunner scene was gay AF, well, how about Ethan and Cameron in bed. What was that?

I can't quite make out the gays and Tanya storyline. It feels really scammy, but what's the angle? Maybe it sets up a blowup with Greg when he returns.

I am not going to dog on Portia, because honestly, I would have done exactly what she did. Except I think Jack is nasty and I wouldn't have picked him over Albie. But in my 20's I was anything but direct and would have been a duplicitous little B instead of being direct.

Albie and Lucia are icky and I feel bad for him. His dad will not be able to keep his mouth shut and that's just going to make it all the worse.

I don't really understand where things are going with Mia and Lucia. Lucia's repentance seemed awfully sudden, as did Mia's reversal.

I am hugely intrigued by Valentina. Her behavior is so...off. She's the manager, but every request a guest has made is flatly rebuffed. And then she doesn't care. Or maybe it's just Dominic? And then she buys jewelry for Isabella (I think that's her name) after one conversation which was almost totally focused on work. And then physically forces the gift on her?

I think it's the other way round. He will be desperate for Albie not to know. If Lucia can make Albie catch feelings for her, she can then blackmail Dominic for keeping her mouth shut about their involvement.

I definitely think Lucia is angling for a trip to LA so I can see it. And it's not going to be hard to gt Albie to have feelings for her.

My thought on Dominic is that he's going to think he's warning/helping Albie and will use it as an example of him "changing" even though he hasn't really done anything to change. Either way, I think it definitely comes out.

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Agree! Dominic might even blackmail Albie into advocating to his wife for him.

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Anonymous wrote:WHY DIDN’T HARPER SAY SOMETHING ABIUT THE CONDOM WRAPPER?! I was shouting at the tv.

Do you think the college friend planted it to “play games”?

I think she didn't ask him because she had just made that speech about how "fine" they are when she is clearly enormously insecure about her marriage. She's so triumphant about how fake Cameron and Daphne are, but the truth is that she wants that kind of affection with Ethan, just without the cheating. And she and Ethan haven't had sex once on this vacation and if Ethan's previous little speech is evidence, they haven't had frequent sex in awhile. She has to be wondering where Ethan is getting his sexual needs met. And whoever said that waverunner scene was gay AF, well, how about Ethan and Cameron in bed. What was that?

I can't quite make out the gays and Tanya storyline. It feels really scammy, but what's the angle? Maybe it sets up a blowup with Greg when he returns.

I am not going to dog on Portia, because honestly, I would have done exactly what she did. Except I think Jack is nasty and I wouldn't have picked him over Albie. But in my 20's I was anything but direct and would have been a duplicitous little B instead of being direct.

Albie and Lucia are icky and I feel bad for him. His dad will not be able to keep his mouth shut and that's just going to make it all the worse.

I don't really understand where things are going with Mia and Lucia. Lucia's repentance seemed awfully sudden, as did Mia's reversal.

I am hugely intrigued by Valentina. Her behavior is so...off. She's the manager, but every request a guest has made is flatly rebuffed. And then she doesn't care. Or maybe it's just Dominic? And then she buys jewelry for Isabella (I think that's her name) after one conversation which was almost totally focused on work. And then physically forces the gift on her?

I think it's the other way round. He will be desperate for Albie not to know. If Lucia can make Albie catch feelings for her, she can then blackmail Dominic for keeping her mouth shut about their involvement.

I definitely think Lucia is angling for a trip to LA so I can see it. And it's not going to be hard to gt Albie to have feelings for her.

My thought on Dominic is that he's going to think he's warning/helping Albie and will use it as an example of him "changing" even though he hasn't really done anything to change. Either way, I think it definitely comes out.

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Agree! Dominic might even blackmail Albie into advocating to his wife for him.

Uh, Dom's wife is going to be much more upset that her husband slept with a prostitute than that her son did. Albie has the leverage here, if he wants it, not the other way around. But I think Lucia is the one who is best positioned to use this knowledge to her benefit.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe Dominic kills Lucia to shut her up?

We have zero evidence that Dominic is even capable of the level of emotion or violence to murder someone. He's not a great guy and obviously has his demons, but temperamentally he's very low key and never gets angry.

One of the reasons the murder in Season 1 worked is that even though it was an accident, it was also fully in keeping with the relationship between Armand and Shane up to that point. It made sense that Armand broke into Shane's room to defacate in his suitcase, because Armand was a very petty character with an axe to grind. And while Shane stabs Armand accidentally, it is totally believable that he would grab the knife and go sneaking around the suite looking for the intruder, instead of calling security.

I think if the show had Dom kill Lucia to keep her silent, it would be a dark turn in a direction the show avoids. It's not really about people being evil on purpose. It's about people being kind of evil as a matter of course, because that's how the world is set up and because it's expedient to them in the moment. It's hard to see how Dom murdering Lucia fits into that.

I think if the bodies in the water were murdered, it's got to be by a character who seems capable of it (my money is on Cameron, Harper, or Valentina, all of whom I think have some base level rage that could be drawn out of them) or by a fringe character or someone we haven't met. And since we see Valentina in the first scene and she seems surprised to hear about the bodies, it's probably not her.

I also think it's likely the bodies are not the result of a murder, but an overdose (once again, lots of drugs floating around this season) or an accident on the cliffs.

The bodies in the water seemed to be foreshadowed in the story that Tanya’s new gay friend was telling her about the house on the cliff, and the old lady who owned it who was found dead floating in the rocks after she declined to sell it to aggressive local “investors” aka the mob. No idea how it all connects yet because we don’t have enough info and we are still meeting new characters.

Agree this was intended to make you think about the bodies, but I also think that almost any reference like this could be a red herring at this point because there have been a ton of things that could foreshadow a particular character dying or being involved in a death:

- Tanya's tarot card reading
- Daphne saying she loves Dateline shows where the wife kills the husband
- Cameron saying that incompetence makes him "homicidal" when the airline loses his luggage, and also Daphne talking about how Cameron "snaps"
- The incident with the piano player and the drugs could foreshadow someone dying via overdose or taking the wrong drugs
- Tanya saying the hotel has a beautiful view from the clifftop balconies and then immediately wondering if anyone has ever jumped from there.
- The scene at The Godfather tourist trap thing when Portia comments on how tasteless it is to have the mock up of the woman in the care where the character gets blown up in the movie

I think there are others. The characters frequently mention death and murder and I think it's all intentional and most will be red herrings. But some won't be!