The White Lotus season 2

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious about the guy in the pool that portia was watching when she left with albie. Are we supposed to know who that is? If so I missed it.

Also, the piano player. I feel like there's something going on with him too.

I think one of them kills the other during an attempted sexual assault.

Referring to piano player.

Portia was just trying to get lucky. The guy was doing his mating dance.

Portia is such a loser. Just throw your phone away and stop whining!

She is also very average looking and is a fool for not liking the rich guy Albie who likes her! Oh well I was stupid too when I was her age

You know, you’re insulting the looks of an actress, not a fictional character.

DP. Give me a break. She’s attractive, but they cast this particular actress for a reason. As well as Albie. They’re supposed to be average looking. That’s how casting works.

I mean, none of the women on this show are Grace Kelly or Elizabeth Taylor. Why pick on this one?

They put her in ridiculous clothes on purpose. She’s a slave to Tanya. Everything about her character is inviting us to dump on her.

So you think punching down is perfectly acceptable then? Personally I find her much more relatable and likeable than Tanya (who is no great looker herself).

Oh my goodness. Punching down? These are fictional characters. Of course she’s more relatable and likable than Tanya. Tanya is supposed to evoke nothing but pity.

Look, just stop ragging on her looks. Or post a photo of yourself, so we can decide where you fall on the beauty scale.

Good lord, I never ragged on her looks. I said she was attractive and I think she probably looks like a knockout in real life. Her character, however, is absolutely meant to be average looking. (As am I!)

I disagree. She's not showy and glamorous - not sexy - but she's cute and attractive for sure. The actress herself is very attractive - not that it should matter, but she is!

This. Her clothes are typical GenZ aggressively frumpy, but she is lovely, with eyebrows and eyes to die for.

+1. I think her styling is perfect for the role. She’s not supposed to be fashionable in a sophisticated or classic way; she looks like a gen z youth living in a city and scraping by

I really like that mockneck tank with the faces on it she wore in the last ep. I'd wear it! I wear a lot of jean shorts too. Maybe I dress like a gen z youth living in a city and scraping by. Huh.

Can’t remember whether this was on the actual show or the after-show interviews, but I’m obsessed with a dinosaur necklace that she was wearing. Don’t think my boring-old-yuppie self can pull it off, but I’m going to find something like it for my GenZ teen.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious about the guy in the pool that portia was watching when she left with albie. Are we supposed to know who that is? If so I missed it.

Also, the piano player. I feel like there's something going on with him too.

I think one of them kills the other during an attempted sexual assault.

Referring to piano player.

Portia was just trying to get lucky. The guy was doing his mating dance.

Portia is such a loser. Just throw your phone away and stop whining!

She is also very average looking and is a fool for not liking the rich guy Albie who likes her! Oh well I was stupid too when I was her age

You know, you’re insulting the looks of an actress, not a fictional character.

DP. Give me a break. She’s attractive, but they cast this particular actress for a reason. As well as Albie. They’re supposed to be average looking. That’s how casting works.

I mean, none of the women on this show are Grace Kelly or Elizabeth Taylor. Why pick on this one?

They put her in ridiculous clothes on purpose. She’s a slave to Tanya. Everything about her character is inviting us to dump on her.

So you think punching down is perfectly acceptable then? Personally I find her much more relatable and likeable than Tanya (who is no great looker herself).

Oh my goodness. Punching down? These are fictional characters. Of course she’s more relatable and likable than Tanya. Tanya is supposed to evoke nothing but pity.

Look, just stop ragging on her looks. Or post a photo of yourself, so we can decide where you fall on the beauty scale.

Good lord, I never ragged on her looks. I said she was attractive and I think she probably looks like a knockout in real life. Her character, however, is absolutely meant to be average looking. (As am I!)

I disagree. She's not showy and glamorous - not sexy - but she's cute and attractive for sure. The actress herself is very attractive - not that it should matter, but she is!

This. Her clothes are typical GenZ aggressively frumpy, but she is lovely, with eyebrows and eyes to die for.

+1. I think her styling is perfect for the role. She’s not supposed to be fashionable in a sophisticated or classic way; she looks like a gen z youth living in a city and scraping by

I really like that mockneck tank with the faces on it she wore in the last ep. I'd wear it! I wear a lot of jean shorts too. Maybe I dress like a gen z youth living in a city and scraping by. Huh.

You wear stonewashed high waist Jean shorts with neon colored sweater tops? Cool.

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Haley Lu Richardson:


I see it.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious about the guy in the pool that portia was watching when she left with albie. Are we supposed to know who that is? If so I missed it.

Also, the piano player. I feel like there's something going on with him too.

I think one of them kills the other during an attempted sexual assault.

Referring to piano player.

Portia was just trying to get lucky. The guy was doing his mating dance.

Portia is such a loser. Just throw your phone away and stop whining!

She is also very average looking and is a fool for not liking the rich guy Albie who likes her! Oh well I was stupid too when I was her age

You know, you’re insulting the looks of an actress, not a fictional character.

DP. Give me a break. She’s attractive, but they cast this particular actress for a reason. As well as Albie. They’re supposed to be average looking. That’s how casting works.

I mean, none of the women on this show are Grace Kelly or Elizabeth Taylor. Why pick on this one?

They put her in ridiculous clothes on purpose. She’s a slave to Tanya. Everything about her character is inviting us to dump on her.

So you think punching down is perfectly acceptable then? Personally I find her much more relatable and likeable than Tanya (who is no great looker herself).

Oh my goodness. Punching down? These are fictional characters. Of course she’s more relatable and likable than Tanya. Tanya is supposed to evoke nothing but pity.

Look, just stop ragging on her looks. Or post a photo of yourself, so we can decide where you fall on the beauty scale.

Good lord, I never ragged on her looks. I said she was attractive and I think she probably looks like a knockout in real life. Her character, however, is absolutely meant to be average looking. (As am I!)

I disagree. She's not showy and glamorous - not sexy - but she's cute and attractive for sure. The actress herself is very attractive - not that it should matter, but she is!

This. Her clothes are typical GenZ aggressively frumpy, but she is lovely, with eyebrows and eyes to die for.

+1. I think her styling is perfect for the role. She’s not supposed to be fashionable in a sophisticated or classic way; she looks like a gen z youth living in a city and scraping by

I really like that mockneck tank with the faces on it she wore in the last ep. I'd wear it! I wear a lot of jean shorts too. Maybe I dress like a gen z youth living in a city and scraping by. Huh.

Pp here. Maybe so! I personally don’t find it to be a bad look at all; just youthful and casual.

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Haley Lu Richardson:


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Anonymous wrote:Florence Pugh:


Haley Lu Richardson:


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I think Pugh has a much more defined and delicate mouth and while they both have round faces, Pugh has a slightly pointier chin, giving her face more of a heart shape.

I think they are very similar looking and the eyes and nose, plus the shape of their faces and the fact that they both have a penchant for bleached hair with darker blonde roots, but I think Pugh is more otherworldly beautiful and Haley more regular girl gorgeous. I can really see why Pugh was cast as ScarJo's sister.

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Anonymous wrote:Ethan has a small penis I’m 99 percent surec

Good lord, what is with the Ethan hate? Just because he’s not a bombastic, swaggering fintech bro like Cameron? Or because he’s part Asian?

I like Ethan a lot. Probably because I married a Cameron.

Yikes. Sorry for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Haley Lu Richardson who plays Portia is really gorgeous IRL and I think it's a testament to her acting chops that she's done a bit of a glow down for the role. I don't think Portia is ugly at all but she has an awkwardness and a beaten down quality that is not just the wardrobe or styling. Specifically, Richardson is doing stuff with her face that really makes Portia look young and kind of hopeless, to the point where I almost can't recognize her. She actually played a somewhat related character in Columbus (young, underachiever, a little lost) but that character was more sensitive and tuned in and this one is very numbed out and helpless.

It's interesting to me how many of these actresses are playing people that you have a kind of knee-jerk dislike to (Harper is so negative, Portia so whiny, Tanya so vapid and unstable, Valentina so rules-bound and rude) but they are playing them with real empathy. I certainly identify far more with Harper or Portia or Valentina than with Daphne, who is lovely but also I don't really get? She's also the only one whose background I have no sense of. I know either from being told or from the way they behave where the others are from, how they grew up and became the person they are. But Daphne I have no idea. She could be some rich girl who went to Vassar and always knew she'd marry a rich finance guy and is living the same life her mom is living, or she could be from a humble background and just have been inherently beautiful and charming and caught Cameron's eye in school or at a bar in New York and won him over. I have no idea. She like a mirage -- beautiful but I can't tell if there is anything underneath or if it's just sand.

This is kind of what I like about Daphne. I feel like she is masking a lot. About a lot of things. She finds it easier to do that then deal with anything real going on with her/her life. She's letting a little bit of her guard down with Harper but will be right back to the mask when she returns to the resort.

Imho, Daphne is lying to herself. She IS a victim. It does bother her that Cameron cheats on her and there is no palazzo in the world that will fix that hurt.

Daphne and Cameron are more dysfunctional than Harper and Ethan and that is saying something!

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Anonymous wrote:Haley Lu Richardson who plays Portia is really gorgeous IRL and I think it's a testament to her acting chops that she's done a bit of a glow down for the role. I don't think Portia is ugly at all but she has an awkwardness and a beaten down quality that is not just the wardrobe or styling. Specifically, Richardson is doing stuff with her face that really makes Portia look young and kind of hopeless, to the point where I almost can't recognize her. She actually played a somewhat related character in Columbus (young, underachiever, a little lost) but that character was more sensitive and tuned in and this one is very numbed out and helpless.

It's interesting to me how many of these actresses are playing people that you have a kind of knee-jerk dislike to (Harper is so negative, Portia so whiny, Tanya so vapid and unstable, Valentina so rules-bound and rude) but they are playing them with real empathy. I certainly identify far more with Harper or Portia or Valentina than with Daphne, who is lovely but also I don't really get? She's also the only one whose background I have no sense of. I know either from being told or from the way they behave where the others are from, how they grew up and became the person they are. But Daphne I have no idea. She could be some rich girl who went to Vassar and always knew she'd marry a rich finance guy and is living the same life her mom is living, or she could be from a humble background and just have been inherently beautiful and charming and caught Cameron's eye in school or at a bar in New York and won him over. I have no idea. She like a mirage -- beautiful but I can't tell if there is anything underneath or if it's just sand.

This is kind of what I like about Daphne. I feel like she is masking a lot. About a lot of things. She finds it easier to do that then deal with anything real going on with her/her life. She's letting a little bit of her guard down with Harper but will be right back to the mask when she returns to the resort.

Imho, Daphne is lying to herself. She IS a victim. It does bother her that Cameron cheats on her and there is no palazzo in the world that will fix that hurt.

Daphne and Cameron are more dysfunctional than Harper and Ethan and that is saying something!

Oh, I completely agree. But, she doesn't want to be a victim. She hates that people would think about her that way or feel sorry for her. She's a strong woman likely doing what's best for her kids.

There is SO MUCH VICTIM BLAMING when a woman is betrayed. Oh she must not have sex with her husband, she must be a nag, the ow must have something she doesn't...which is all a load of complete horsesh*t. It is the cheater who is responsible and messed up. This is why betrayed women suffer in silence. It's a dirty little secret they have to keep to themselves to protect their kids from gossip and to avoid being judged for something they did not do. A woman can be everything, e.g., smart, beautiful, have sex, work, be a great wife/mother..and her spouse will still cheat. Other women dont' want to believe it could ever happen to them so they scapegoat the victim. We see it in the media and perpetuated all the time. It's always "well you don't know what she's like behind closed doors'...blah, blah, blah.

Yes, She is a victim. I think her comments about loving the Dateline specials where the husband is always murdered by the wife is very telling. I think there is a pent up suppressed rage inside of her.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh and I think the scene of Ethan and Cam playing chicken on the jet skis might be either be foreshadowing one of them killing the other out on the water, or them both dying on the water, or could be a red herring designed to make me think that since we know someone winds up dead in the water.

I thought that scene on the wave runners into the sun set was gay AF. ethan's prob bisexual at least.

I’m confused by everyone jumping to the conclusion that Ethan is gay, when Cameron is the one who kissed Ethan’s face multiple times during this episode. He also told Ethan “you’re a handsome guy, I’d do ya” in the first episode. I mean, they both could be not entirely straight but I’m puzzled that no one has noted Cameron’s distinctly flirtatious behavior and physical overtures with Ethan, since we’re parsing sexualities here.

Cameron is a manipulator who uses his sexuality to get what he wants.
If he were gay he'd be out, doing his thing, and sleeping with whomever he wanted.

Ethan is clearly not fully aware or accepting of his own sexuality (whatever it may be) and very repressed and lacking self confidence. He's hiding something. Whereas Cameron is hiding nothing. He's just a shallow man whore frat boy. Of course he'd do Ethan. Doesn't mean he's gay or even bi. He's just promiscuous.

Um, what?

He uses sex and sexuality to manipulate people. It's a tool. Doesn't mean he's attracted to men. How many lesbian prostitute do you think there are out there? A lot. They have sex with men. It's not for fun and it doesn't change their sexual orientation.

I don't think a rich white man has to have sex he doesn't want in order to manipulate or influence people.

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WHY DIDN’T HARPER SAY SOMETHING ABIUT THE CONDOM WRAPPER?! I was shouting at the tv.

Do you think the college friend planted it to “play games”?

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Anonymous wrote:WHY DIDN’T HARPER SAY SOMETHING ABIUT THE CONDOM WRAPPER?! I was shouting at the tv.

Do you think the college friend planted it to “play games”?

Didn’t Cameron start hooking up with Lucia on that couch? I assumed that’s where the condom came from.

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I liked the focus on the working girls this episode, and the introduction of the gay guys. It was nice to see Tanya looking and feeling good about herself for once. I sort of love that Mike White is including a plot line about gays and their “hags” in this! Though I also think it’s going to end poorly, probably with Tanya feeling used and worse than ever. Or potentially she’ll do something to screw over her lovely new friends like she did Belinda.

The storyline with Albie and Lucia is icky. Just because she was just with his dad, and he doesn’t know she’s a prostitute (he is so dumb! Four years at Stanford and he doesn’t have the common sense to wonder what these two young women are doing on their own at the priciest hotel in Sicily, wearing cocktail dresses all day long). And also the stuff with Albie and Portia trying to make each other jealous was dumb.

Though the way Portia ditches Albie for her new buddy was extremely realistic. Right down to her being very passive about it and lying to Albie in a way that made it obvious what she was doing.

Have we discussed the character of Portia from Merchant of Venice? I had not seen parallels in their characters before this episode but now I do, with the duplicitousness.

Interesting how Portia got a glow up the minute they started hanging with the new crew. Took off her dumb hat and wore some color, and a couple actually flattering garments.

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The gays definitely seem like con artists. Tonya’s story of “I was born in SF” was funny though. Why is the young guy (Portia’s love interest) with them?

Agree with how painfully realistic Portia ditching Albie was. I wonder if Lucia has a long game with Alvie since I think she knows he’s the son.

Are the hotel managers at White Lotuses all gay and don’t understand workplace harassment though?!