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Anonymous wrote:What's sad is that with all this nonsense talk about independent life, it surely must burn H&M that their connection to the BRF is STILL the most interesting thing about them.

Netflix doc about their dramas? Sells like hotcakes.

Leadership something doc they "produced"? Didn't even register.

That tells you what people want from H&M. Not their ideas!

It's only the most interesting thing to people on here discussing it, and who know little else about them. Lots of people love them for lots of reasons, including their philanthropic work. Meghan def has a very close cadre of friends who are very protective of her and love her very much.

What else is there to know? Remove their connection to the BRF and do you think they would stand out in the sea of philanthropy?

I dont think they despise the institution. They despise how the institution and the media are hand in hand in covering them in negative stories. They despise how the institution is not protecting them from the media. But they will absolutely lie and protect William and Kate.


Well obviously. It's why they insist on retaining their titles despite supposedly despising the institution. It is all quite hypocritical.

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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

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He literally says in the 60 minutes clip “I want a family, not an institution.”

What do people not get about this?? Makes perfect sense. It’s never a good idea to so clearly treat one sibling better than the other. And don’t give me any Bs about this being the royal family. It doesn’t matter, they don’t “have” to do things that way.

Only one person can inherit. That's a fact of life. Life that has dealt Harry rather a good hand. Older brother is being raised to lead, younger to support him.

He could have had his family if he played by the rules.

This book virtually guarantees he'd never be welcome back.

Harry was given a huge platform to lead within the RF, Invictus Games and Military advocacy, Climate Change, Mental Health. He is simply envious of his brother. If he wants to be on equal footing with his brother he has to go earn it himself, and as we have seen he is incapable of even making a living for himself beyond trashing his family, let alone take on a leadership role in the world stage.

Nope. Wrong again. Harry said they would have been happy to stay in the fold and be working royals all their lives if Charles and Will would only stop feeding negative stories about them to the press and scapegoating Meghan. Not exactly a huge request.

Is there more evidence about this, other than the one letter to her father that was leaked? A violation of privacy, to be sure, but I thought if anything the letter made her more sympathetic not less.

He says his father leaked his plans to move to South Africa and Canada in order to scotch them (while not saying no to his face). Pretty cowardly.

A major point of contention was all the stories that came about about Megan in the British tabloids that were clearly sourced from either staff or low level royals and where highly critical of her or painted her in a bad light, but the palace refused to do anything about them. I really think this is the crux of it. If stories like that were in the press about Kate, the palace would organize to do something about it, either cracking down from within on whoever was leaking, or making a deal with the press, or something. It would not be allowed to just continue and Kate would not be told to just "buck up" about it. Kate is inner circle and her reputation is treated as synonymous with the reputation of the family, so this would not be allowed. Same with William, same with their kids.

With Megan, it's clear there was resentment/dislike towards her from the beginning, and not just from staff or low level family members. William clearly was not on board with her. So when the British press started ripping her to shreds, often with blind items from people who clearly worked in the palace or were part of the family (all the stuff about how Megan was rude to staff, about her diet or her habits during her pregnancy, the criticism of the H&M relationship, etc. -- it was relentless) and the family just did nothing, this was taken as a insult because Harry, especially, knew that this is not how it would have been handled were the subject his brother or sister-in-law.

And it doesn't really matter if you believe any of those stories about Megan to understand this. Kate could be an absolute nightmare of a person, but if the press was talking about her that way, the BRF would intervene and put a stop to it, one way or another. With Megan they left H&M to figure it out on their own, and of course there was little they could do. It's no wonder they became so paranoid and resentful.

Also, for Harry in particular, he saw the tabloid treatment of Megan and thought of his mom. And he of course is going to think about how the BRF handled Diana both once she and Charles were separated, and during and after the divorce, and even after her death. They didn't handle it great! At first Diana was "in the fold" but once their marriage was on the rocks she was out and the family didn't do a ton to protect her, and given that she died during a car chase with paparazzi, Harry is going to have some feelings about that. So when Megan started getting dragged through the mud and the family seemed indifferent, he took it very, very personally.

I think H&M are being a bit petty and small here, and also that airing all this dirty laundry is embarrassing on some level. BUT I also think all of this was preventable in a functional family where people understand these dynamics. If the family had just done more to protect Megan, they could have kept Harry on board. They didn't have to love her or think she was the ideal match or be best friends with her. They needed to offer her the protection of the BRF as an "insider". They refused. So H&M decided fine, we aren't insiders? Then we'll be outsiders and you'll see how you like that. Petty? Yes. Predictable? Also yes. Sometimes you suck it up with family and give them what they need even if you don't like them personally, in order to keep the family intact. Especially if, you know, your entire livelihood depends on the concept of you having a functional and intact family. The BRF was also petty and dumb here, and they actually have more to lose.

All very good points.

Harry wanted the BRF tomprotect his wife from the tabloids. That is basically it.

If they lived a quieter life, tabloids would've moved on to George and Louis.

Mmm no because even when they did and said nothing, they came up with more stuff…

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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

+1

He literally says in the 60 minutes clip “I want a family, not an institution.”

What do people not get about this?? Makes perfect sense. It’s never a good idea to so clearly treat one sibling better than the other. And don’t give me any Bs about this being the royal family. It doesn’t matter, they don’t “have” to do things that way.

I agree! And I bet the posters saying Meghan is at fault because she didn’t accept “mentoring” or exhaustively research the role would be very free to gripe that their MILs want to be called Oma or Grammy Barb or serve cornbread stuffing instead of regular.

She was going to work for the family business. She absolutely needed to learn the learn the ropes from a mentor.

And whether or not she was willing to accept mentoring, Sophie was probably not the best choice. No-one ever really cared about Edward so they were never scrutinized to the same degree, even if she could have assisted with some basic protocol things. The Diana connection meant press attention was next-level. The only one who could in fact understand was Kate, but she was pregnant then newly postpartum during this tough period, so could not have been reasonably expected to offer much help.

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Anonymous wrote:What's sad is that with all this nonsense talk about independent life, it surely must burn H&M that their connection to the BRF is STILL the most interesting thing about them.

Netflix doc about their dramas? Sells like hotcakes.

Leadership something doc they "produced"? Didn't even register.

That tells you what people want from H&M. Not their ideas!

It's only the most interesting thing to people on here discussing it, and who know little else about them. Lots of people love them for lots of reasons, including their philanthropic work. Meghan def has a very close cadre of friends who are very protective of her and love her very much.

What else is there to know? Remove their connection to the BRF and do you think they would stand out in the sea of philanthropy?

Harry is a nepobaby just like literally everyone else in his family but somehow it’s only bad when he does what nepobabies do? The ironic thing is that Meghan is the only one of the bunch that came in with a tiny smidge of her own fame. Remove William, or Charles, or QEII connection to the BRF would they stand out in a sea of philanthropy?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11602551/Prince-Harrys-book-William-pointed-finger-Meghan-called-rude.html
I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

+1

He literally says in the 60 minutes clip “I want a family, not an institution.”

What do people not get about this?? Makes perfect sense. It’s never a good idea to so clearly treat one sibling better than the other. And don’t give me any Bs about this being the royal family. It doesn’t matter, they don’t “have” to do things that way.

Only one person can inherit. That's a fact of life. Life that has dealt Harry rather a good hand. Older brother is being raised to lead, younger to support him.

He could have had his family if he played by the rules.

This book virtually guarantees he'd never be welcome back.

Harry was given a huge platform to lead within the RF, Invictus Games and Military advocacy, Climate Change, Mental Health. He is simply envious of his brother. If he wants to be on equal footing with his brother he has to go earn it himself, and as we have seen he is incapable of even making a living for himself beyond trashing his family, let alone take on a leadership role in the world stage.

Nope. Wrong again. Harry said they would have been happy to stay in the fold and be working royals all their lives if Charles and Will would only stop feeding negative stories about them to the press and scapegoating Meghan. Not exactly a huge request.

Is there more evidence about this, other than the one letter to her father that was leaked? A violation of privacy, to be sure, but I thought if anything the letter made her more sympathetic not less.

He says his father leaked his plans to move to South Africa and Canada in order to scotch them (while not saying no to his face). Pretty cowardly.

A major point of contention was all the stories that came about about Megan in the British tabloids that were clearly sourced from either staff or low level royals and where highly critical of her or painted her in a bad light, but the palace refused to do anything about them. I really think this is the crux of it. If stories like that were in the press about Kate, the palace would organize to do something about it, either cracking down from within on whoever was leaking, or making a deal with the press, or something. It would not be allowed to just continue and Kate would not be told to just "buck up" about it. Kate is inner circle and her reputation is treated as synonymous with the reputation of the family, so this would not be allowed. Same with William, same with their kids.

With Megan, it's clear there was resentment/dislike towards her from the beginning, and not just from staff or low level family members. William clearly was not on board with her. So when the British press started ripping her to shreds, often with blind items from people who clearly worked in the palace or were part of the family (all the stuff about how Megan was rude to staff, about her diet or her habits during her pregnancy, the criticism of the H&M relationship, etc. -- it was relentless) and the family just did nothing, this was taken as a insult because Harry, especially, knew that this is not how it would have been handled were the subject his brother or sister-in-law.

And it doesn't really matter if you believe any of those stories about Megan to understand this. Kate could be an absolute nightmare of a person, but if the press was talking about her that way, the BRF would intervene and put a stop to it, one way or another. With Megan they left H&M to figure it out on their own, and of course there was little they could do. It's no wonder they became so paranoid and resentful.

Also, for Harry in particular, he saw the tabloid treatment of Megan and thought of his mom. And he of course is going to think about how the BRF handled Diana both once she and Charles were separated, and during and after the divorce, and even after her death. They didn't handle it great! At first Diana was "in the fold" but once their marriage was on the rocks she was out and the family didn't do a ton to protect her, and given that she died during a car chase with paparazzi, Harry is going to have some feelings about that. So when Megan started getting dragged through the mud and the family seemed indifferent, he took it very, very personally.

I think H&M are being a bit petty and small here, and also that airing all this dirty laundry is embarrassing on some level. BUT I also think all of this was preventable in a functional family where people understand these dynamics. If the family had just done more to protect Megan, they could have kept Harry on board. They didn't have to love her or think she was the ideal match or be best friends with her. They needed to offer her the protection of the BRF as an "insider". They refused. So H&M decided fine, we aren't insiders? Then we'll be outsiders and you'll see how you like that. Petty? Yes. Predictable? Also yes. Sometimes you suck it up with family and give them what they need even if you don't like them personally, in order to keep the family intact. Especially if, you know, your entire livelihood depends on the concept of you having a functional and intact family. The BRF was also petty and dumb here, and they actually have more to lose.

All very good points.

Harry wanted the BRF tomprotect his wife from the tabloids. That is basically it.

If they lived a quieter life, tabloids would've moved on to George and Louis.

Mmm no because even when they did and said nothing, they came up with more stuff…

But did they? The stuff about her father, issues with staff, and upset about tiaras all seem to have been rooted in fact. Was there fabricated stuff in there too?

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Anonymous wrote:Will’s kids go to school and safely navigate in public in the UK. It’s not the same dangerous media circus that killed Diana. Harry’s kids could have done the same. He certainly didn’t need Tyler Perry’s security lol.

The tabloids would have kept on hounding his kids, same as they are his wife. Same as they did his mom and look how that ended.
I didnt notice the BRF intervening.

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You think the tabloids would hound Harry’s wife and kids more than Will’s?

Um, no.

That’s the point: Will’s family can go to school, local stores, etc. Yet Harry was convinced his kids couldn’t. He’s not rational. He’s delusional.

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Anonymous wrote:Just by the number of responses in this thread, you can rest assure that they'll always have money because corporations, agents and celebrities would always want to be connected to them for their ability to keep masses engaged in their drama.

Idk, there's a good chance this will all die down in a few months. After all, what's left?

Exactly. Meghan may write a book to tell “her side” and then what else is left to say? Anything “new” they come up with will look increasingly desperate and have even less credibility. No one cares about their offerings that don’t have to do with the BRF. Their new documentary sank without a trace (other than Jacinda Ahearn denying that she had anything to do with the Sussexes).

I predict they’ll end up like the Duke & Duchess of Windsor. Sort of sad “B” celebrities dining out on their former Royal connections with a bunch of sleazy hangers-on.

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Anonymous wrote:Just by the number of responses in this thread, you can rest assure that they'll always have money because corporations, agents and celebrities would always want to be connected to them for their ability to keep masses engaged in their drama.

Idk, there's a good chance this will all die down in a few months. After all, what's left?

Exactly. Meghan may write a book to tell “her side” and then what else is left to say? Anything “new” they come up with will look increasingly desperate and have even less credibility. No one cares about their offerings that don’t have to do with the BRF. Their new documentary sank without a trace (other than Jacinda Ahearn denying that she had anything to do with the Sussexes).

I predict they’ll end up like the Duke & Duchess of Windsor. Sort of sad “B” celebrities dining out on their former Royal connections with a bunch of sleazy hangers-on.

To be fair, I think Harry could put out 3 or 4 more tell-all memoirs similar to this one, over the next several years. And so could Meghan. They can earn plenty of money by giving plenty of alternative life stories.

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Anonymous wrote:Just by the number of responses in this thread, you can rest assure that they'll always have money because corporations, agents and celebrities would always want to be connected to them for their ability to keep masses engaged in their drama.

Idk, there's a good chance this will all die down in a few months. After all, what's left?

Exactly. Meghan may write a book to tell “her side” and then what else is left to say? Anything “new” they come up with will look increasingly desperate and have even less credibility. No one cares about their offerings that don’t have to do with the BRF. Their new documentary sank without a trace (other than Jacinda Ahearn denying that she had anything to do with the Sussexes).

I predict they’ll end up like the Duke & Duchess of Windsor. Sort of sad “B” celebrities dining out on their former Royal connections with a bunch of sleazy hangers-on.

To be fair, I think Harry could put out 3 or 4 more tell-all memoirs similar to this one, over the next several years. And so could Meghan. They can earn plenty of money by giving plenty of alternative life stories.

I really doubt it. So much of the material seems strained to begin with.

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I’m suspicious of anything that comes out of Harry’s mouth now. Of particular concern is his assertion that he killed 25 Afghans. I am from a military family (spouse, brother in law, father, grandfather). All have been on combat operations, as have their comrades and therefore people who I have mixed with all my life. Not once has any of them even hinted at their “scorecard”. It is not something that is ever ever mentioned in the military community.

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Anonymous wrote:Harry and Meghan played the game too.

Yes, but doesn't this memo make clear they did so in the spirit of trying to get the truth out while being instructed to maintain royal decorum by not directly engaging?

Not really. The Press Secretary recommended that they not facilitate the friends talking to the press because they needed to be able to tell the truth when they said they didn’t have anything to do with it. Harry and Meghan just chose to do it and lie (and got caught in the ice in Court).

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Anonymous wrote:I’m suspicious of anything that comes out of Harry’s mouth now. Of particular concern is his assertion that he killed 25 Afghans. I am from a military family (spouse, brother in law, father, grandfather). All have been on combat operations, as have their comrades and therefore people who I have mixed with all my life. Not once has any of them even hinted at their “scorecard”. It is not something that is ever ever mentioned in the military community.

All we've seen is an excerpt without context. Not sure exactly how such an assertion would come up, we might need to wait and see. Maybe something was lost in translation.

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Anonymous wrote:I watched the Netflix documentary. I have also helped people leave abusive husbands and families. Tyler Perry nailed it. They were in a dysfunctional, abusive family situation. Basically the BRF uses the lower ranked royals as tabloid fodder to keep unpleasant truths and rumors from being printed about the upper royals. It is a f***ed up hierarchy. It is absolutely gross. H&M were popular in the Commonwealth. The higher ups egos couldn’t handle it. Remember when JFK went to Paris? He basically said I’m the man who accompanied Jackie Kennedy to Paris. That was smart. The BRF was stupid as was their press offices. When someone breaks free of a dysfunctional and abusive situation and get to an area where the air is free and not controlled, they start realizing just how messed up and dysfunctional their prior living situation was. They start to talk about it. All of this was predictable.

It’s like Harry came from a family where the Dad drank, screamed and yelled at mom and the kids, maybe hit some of them and they all enabled it by dressing up, making excuses, and making sure no one really knew the truth. Harry’s the kid who noticed this wasn’t happening at his friends house and decided to stop enabling the dysfunction and stop taking the abuse.

You are quite delusional. If there ARE unpleasant truths and rumors out there about upper royals, no tabloid will choose not to print them! Charles' tampon story, illegally obtained! Camilla's harassment, including physical. Sarah, the duchess of pork. Waitie Katy. Wake up! If there is material, the tabloids will print it.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m suspicious of anything that comes out of Harry’s mouth now. Of particular concern is his assertion that he killed 25 Afghans. I am from a military family (spouse, brother in law, father, grandfather). All have been on combat operations, as have their comrades and therefore people who I have mixed with all my life. Not once has any of them even hinted at their “scorecard”. It is not something that is ever ever mentioned in the military community.

I think anyone in their right mind would be hard pressed to believe that a Prince of England was ever put in harm’s way so that he was even able to kill people. This assertion by Harry is completely ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:Will’s kids go to school and safely navigate in public in the UK. It’s not the same dangerous media circus that killed Diana. Harry’s kids could have done the same. He certainly didn’t need Tyler Perry’s security lol.

The tabloids would have kept on hounding his kids, same as they are his wife. Same as they did his mom and look how that ended.
I didnt notice the BRF intervening.

How many paparazzi photos did you see of Meghan & the baby while they were in Britain? Oh, yeah — none. They simply didn’t realize that they were being protected until they moved to Canada & the US & that protection went away.