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01/05/2023 15:02

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11602551/Prince-Harrys-book-William-pointed-finger-Meghan-called-rude.html
I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

+1

He literally says in the 60 minutes clip “I want a family, not an institution.”

What do people not get about this?? Makes perfect sense. It’s never a good idea to so clearly treat one sibling better than the other. And don’t give me any Bs about this being the royal family. It doesn’t matter, they don’t “have” to do things that way.

Only one person can inherit. That's a fact of life. Life that has dealt Harry rather a good hand. Older brother is being raised to lead, younger to support him.

He could have had his family if he played by the rules.

This book virtually guarantees he'd never be welcome back.

Harry was given a huge platform to lead within the RF, Invictus Games and Military advocacy, Climate Change, Mental Health. He is simply envious of his brother. If he wants to be on equal footing with his brother he has to go earn it himself, and as we have seen he is incapable of even making a living for himself beyond trashing his family, let alone take on a leadership role in the world stage.

Nope. Wrong again. Harry said they would have been happy to stay in the fold and be working royals all their lives if Charles and Will would only stop feeding negative stories about them to the press and scapegoating Meghan. Not exactly a huge request.

Is there more evidence about this, other than the one letter to her father that was leaked? A violation of privacy, to be sure, but I thought if anything the letter made her more sympathetic not less.

He says his father leaked his plans to move to South Africa and Canada in order to scotch them (while not saying no to his face). Pretty cowardly.

A major point of contention was all the stories that came about about Megan in the British tabloids that were clearly sourced from either staff or low level royals and where highly critical of her or painted her in a bad light, but the palace refused to do anything about them. I really think this is the crux of it. If stories like that were in the press about Kate, the palace would organize to do something about it, either cracking down from within on whoever was leaking, or making a deal with the press, or something. It would not be allowed to just continue and Kate would not be told to just "buck up" about it. Kate is inner circle and her reputation is treated as synonymous with the reputation of the family, so this would not be allowed. Same with William, same with their kids.

With Megan, it's clear there was resentment/dislike towards her from the beginning, and not just from staff or low level family members. William clearly was not on board with her. So when the British press started ripping her to shreds, often with blind items from people who clearly worked in the palace or were part of the family (all the stuff about how Megan was rude to staff, about her diet or her habits during her pregnancy, the criticism of the H&M relationship, etc. -- it was relentless) and the family just did nothing, this was taken as a insult because Harry, especially, knew that this is not how it would have been handled were the subject his brother or sister-in-law.

And it doesn't really matter if you believe any of those stories about Megan to understand this. Kate could be an absolute nightmare of a person, but if the press was talking about her that way, the BRF would intervene and put a stop to it, one way or another. With Megan they left H&M to figure it out on their own, and of course there was little they could do. It's no wonder they became so paranoid and resentful.

Also, for Harry in particular, he saw the tabloid treatment of Megan and thought of his mom. And he of course is going to think about how the BRF handled Diana both once she and Charles were separated, and during and after the divorce, and even after her death. They didn't handle it great! At first Diana was "in the fold" but once their marriage was on the rocks she was out and the family didn't do a ton to protect her, and given that she died during a car chase with paparazzi, Harry is going to have some feelings about that. So when Megan started getting dragged through the mud and the family seemed indifferent, he took it very, very personally.

I think H&M are being a bit petty and small here, and also that airing all this dirty laundry is embarrassing on some level. BUT I also think all of this was preventable in a functional family where people understand these dynamics. If the family had just done more to protect Megan, they could have kept Harry on board. They didn't have to love her or think she was the ideal match or be best friends with her. They needed to offer her the protection of the BRF as an "insider". They refused. So H&M decided fine, we aren't insiders? Then we'll be outsiders and you'll see how you like that. Petty? Yes. Predictable? Also yes. Sometimes you suck it up with family and give them what they need even if you don't like them personally, in order to keep the family intact. Especially if, you know, your entire livelihood depends on the concept of you having a functional and intact family. The BRF was also petty and dumb here, and they actually have more to lose.

All very good points.

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Harry wanted the BRF tomprotect his wife from the tabloids. That is basically it.

Why couldn’t Harry protect her from the tabloids? Maybe because the tabloids write what they want to write without regard to the truth? This idea that Megan got treated differently than Kate is true in so far as Megan got unprecedented treatment prior to her marriage- an invite to sandringham, a seat at the table of the royal foundation, even being interviewed with Kate and will and Harry as if she were one of them- all before her wedding! It was an incredible show of support for Megan. The palace issued a statement lambasting media portrayal of Megan - something that was never done for Kate when the hateful headlines were focused on Kate. Ultimately though none of this seems to matter as Harry and Megan have decided William is to blame for all the bad media. They seem to have genuinely hurt feelings and truly could benefit from GOOD therapy- not whatever they’ve been doing since it seems to not be working.
He comes across as profoundly damaged and angry. It’s truly sad.

It’s this. This thread is crazy, or at least is dotted with crazy, with posters claiming or agreeing with the sentiment that Meghan was uniquely targeted cruelly by the press. It’s a frigging lie. Camilla — tampon (illegal hack in all likelihood); the public sentiment was so ugly that she had food thrown at her in public. She was not ‘protected.’ Kate - nude photos published, using a long-range lens. She was called ‘c’ and ‘b-‘ and ‘whore’ - its on video - by paparazzi in the decade before marriage. She was stalked. This is public and actual information. Sophie - tricked and treated as an idiot on the take. Fergie - weight, adultery. Tons of coverage, little of it good. Diana.William and the affair rumors. And so on.

Harry is a mess but boy does he love pointing fingers, ignoring that he’s got 3 of his own pointing back at him. His treatment, whatever it is, isn’t working. He radiates unhappiness. He brought it on himself, and so does his wife. Isn’t the point of a relationship to try and help support people being their best?

This is all true but the saddest part is his family will be forced to not deal with him ever. Who would take that risk that next time you argue you are being called all sorts of awful things. I just think Diana would be so upset with this argument. He loves his wife and he should protect her but the needless extras in stuff that doesn’t matter. He is clueless. God my brother didn’t like my husband for years. My dad chester. My mom is a mess. It is all there but I don’t broadcast that and we find a way to work through it. Harry has the world supporting him if he focuses on the things that matter. Unfair false stories-yes will support him. Petty fights with your brother. No you lose it on that. William is a nice person. Even Harry admits it. Why try to ruin your brother’s life. I could understand him being mad at his father and having long issues with that but not William. That is just not fair.

Harry is trying to destroy his brother. He’s trying to destroy, again, his father’s wife in the public eye. He’s attacked Kate, who he described as like a sister. There is nothing there for his family anymore. I hope they just don’t interact with him again. Harry and Meghan have already decided their own kids don’t need their cousins or uncle and aunt. Let them live with the choice. Let them try to find fame after scraping with this level of viciousness, in an unanswered manner, at his family. It’s their choice. Let them live with it.