TJ Discrimination Case

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Anonymous wrote:From yesterdays Supreme Court hearings..

“ But he suggested that programmes like the University of Texas’s Top Ten Percent plan (which offers admission to the top decile of every high school in the state) could be kosher if they can be justified by appeals to “socioeconomic” or “geographic”, rather than racial, diversity. ..”

Folks.. u can keep arguing about racial bias and discriminations against asians etc.. but it is futile. FCPS has no intent to discriminate against any particular race and that is why it has not been escalated to the Supreme Court.

But keep arguing. Youngkin and his crazy Indian appointee to the VA DOE are still clueless.

OK. But in return we have to agree to stop calling the process a better way of identifying the most gifted students in Fairfax County and admit it is set up to avoid that outcome (a class of the most gifted) by assuring spots based on geography and socioeconomic factors as opposed to objective merit. I am willing to do that and agree that FCPS has decided that is how they want to fill the class at TJ and move on. I feel badly for the more gifted and objectively meritorious students, but accept FCPS' decision. I accept that every middle school has county tax payers and thus deserve some seats to a public high school that serves the county. But I will not try to argue that it is set up to find the best and brightest as many continue to do.

The problem is there has never been a method that uses objective merit. Many parents put their thumb on the scale by using $$$ to enroll their kids in outside enrichment which skews these measures. A truly gifted student at a less affluent school can outperform a heavily prepped student at a wealthy school when given the same opportunities and since this is public school after all we need to be concerned about fairness.

Agree and why local norms are considered a best practice in gifted education selection since actual giftedness is evenly distributed throughout the population. Sure, some parents hate this since it makes it hard for them to game admissions, but all indications are it yields the best outcomes.

Citation for that?

Try google it's a widely accepted fact.

Just like QAnon is a “widely accepted fact” but there is no specific citation

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From yesterdays Supreme Court hearings..

“ But he suggested that programmes like the University of Texas’s Top Ten Percent plan (which offers admission to the top decile of every high school in the state) could be kosher if they can be justified by appeals to “socioeconomic” or “geographic”, rather than racial, diversity. ..”

Folks.. u can keep arguing about racial bias and discriminations against asians etc.. but it is futile. FCPS has no intent to discriminate against any particular race and that is why it has not been escalated to the Supreme Court.

But keep arguing. Youngkin and his crazy Indian appointee to the VA DOE are still clueless.

OK. But in return we have to agree to stop calling the process a better way of identifying the most gifted students in Fairfax County and admit it is set up to avoid that outcome (a class of the most gifted) by assuring spots based on geography and socioeconomic factors as opposed to objective merit. I am willing to do that and agree that FCPS has decided that is how they want to fill the class at TJ and move on. I feel badly for the more gifted and objectively meritorious students, but accept FCPS' decision. I accept that every middle school has county tax payers and thus deserve some seats to a public high school that serves the county. But I will not try to argue that it is set up to find the best and brightest as many continue to do.

The problem is there has never been a method that uses objective merit. Many parents put their thumb on the scale by using $$$ to enroll their kids in outside enrichment which skews these measures. A truly gifted student at a less affluent school can outperform a heavily prepped student at a wealthy school when given the same opportunities and since this is public school after all we need to be concerned about fairness.

Agree and why local norms are considered a best practice in gifted education selection since actual giftedness is evenly distributed throughout the population. Sure, some parents hate this since it makes it hard for them to game admissions, but all indications are it yields the best outcomes.

Citation for that?

Try google it's a widely accepted fact.

Just like QAnon is a “widely accepted fact” but there is no specific citation

I just googled it and found 170k results supporting the PP's contention cited by numerous scholarly articles even. Sorry but appears you are wrong again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From yesterdays Supreme Court hearings..

“ But he suggested that programmes like the University of Texas’s Top Ten Percent plan (which offers admission to the top decile of every high school in the state) could be kosher if they can be justified by appeals to “socioeconomic” or “geographic”, rather than racial, diversity. ..”

Folks.. u can keep arguing about racial bias and discriminations against asians etc.. but it is futile. FCPS has no intent to discriminate against any particular race and that is why it has not been escalated to the Supreme Court.

But keep arguing. Youngkin and his crazy Indian appointee to the VA DOE are still clueless.

OK. But in return we have to agree to stop calling the process a better way of identifying the most gifted students in Fairfax County and admit it is set up to avoid that outcome (a class of the most gifted) by assuring spots based on geography and socioeconomic factors as opposed to objective merit. I am willing to do that and agree that FCPS has decided that is how they want to fill the class at TJ and move on. I feel badly for the more gifted and objectively meritorious students, but accept FCPS' decision. I accept that every middle school has county tax payers and thus deserve some seats to a public high school that serves the county. But I will not try to argue that it is set up to find the best and brightest as many continue to do.

The problem is there has never been a method that uses objective merit. Many parents put their thumb on the scale by using $$$ to enroll their kids in outside enrichment which skews these measures. A truly gifted student at a less affluent school can outperform a heavily prepped student at a wealthy school when given the same opportunities and since this is public school after all we need to be concerned about fairness.

There was a method that used objective merit when the school opened and until Asians dominated admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From yesterdays Supreme Court hearings..

“ But he suggested that programmes like the University of Texas’s Top Ten Percent plan (which offers admission to the top decile of every high school in the state) could be kosher if they can be justified by appeals to “socioeconomic” or “geographic”, rather than racial, diversity. ..”

Folks.. u can keep arguing about racial bias and discriminations against asians etc.. but it is futile. FCPS has no intent to discriminate against any particular race and that is why it has not been escalated to the Supreme Court.

But keep arguing. Youngkin and his crazy Indian appointee to the VA DOE are still clueless.

OK. But in return we have to agree to stop calling the process a better way of identifying the most gifted students in Fairfax County and admit it is set up to avoid that outcome (a class of the most gifted) by assuring spots based on geography and socioeconomic factors as opposed to objective merit. I am willing to do that and agree that FCPS has decided that is how they want to fill the class at TJ and move on. I feel badly for the more gifted and objectively meritorious students, but accept FCPS' decision. I accept that every middle school has county tax payers and thus deserve some seats to a public high school that serves the county. But I will not try to argue that it is set up to find the best and brightest as many continue to do.

The problem is there has never been a method that uses objective merit. Many parents put their thumb on the scale by using $$$ to enroll their kids in outside enrichment which skews these measures. A truly gifted student at a less affluent school can outperform a heavily prepped student at a wealthy school when given the same opportunities and since this is public school after all we need to be concerned about fairness.

There was a method that used objective merit when the school opened and until Asians dominated admissions.

It wasn't exactly "objective" since people found ways to subvert it by buying tests and seeking outside enrichment for $$$$ to give them an edge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From yesterdays Supreme Court hearings..

“ But he suggested that programmes like the University of Texas’s Top Ten Percent plan (which offers admission to the top decile of every high school in the state) could be kosher if they can be justified by appeals to “socioeconomic” or “geographic”, rather than racial, diversity. ..”

Folks.. u can keep arguing about racial bias and discriminations against asians etc.. but it is futile. FCPS has no intent to discriminate against any particular race and that is why it has not been escalated to the Supreme Court.

But keep arguing. Youngkin and his crazy Indian appointee to the VA DOE are still clueless.

OK. But in return we have to agree to stop calling the process a better way of identifying the most gifted students in Fairfax County and admit it is set up to avoid that outcome (a class of the most gifted) by assuring spots based on geography and socioeconomic factors as opposed to objective merit. I am willing to do that and agree that FCPS has decided that is how they want to fill the class at TJ and move on. I feel badly for the more gifted and objectively meritorious students, but accept FCPS' decision. I accept that every middle school has county tax payers and thus deserve some seats to a public high school that serves the county. But I will not try to argue that it is set up to find the best and brightest as many continue to do.

The problem is there has never been a method that uses objective merit. Many parents put their thumb on the scale by using $$$ to enroll their kids in outside enrichment which skews these measures. A truly gifted student at a less affluent school can outperform a heavily prepped student at a wealthy school when given the same opportunities and since this is public school after all we need to be concerned about fairness.

There was a method that used objective merit when the school opened and until Asians dominated admissions.

They started dominating admissions because they became obsessed with TJ as a status symbol and started optimizing their children's life experience - through both ethical and unethical means - to maximize their likelihood of admission. Given that this is a deeply unhealthy behavior on many levels, it became critical for FCPS to make the admissions process as opaque as possible so as to disincentivize parents from engaging in this death spiral.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From yesterdays Supreme Court hearings..

“ But he suggested that programmes like the University of Texas’s Top Ten Percent plan (which offers admission to the top decile of every high school in the state) could be kosher if they can be justified by appeals to “socioeconomic” or “geographic”, rather than racial, diversity. ..”

Folks.. u can keep arguing about racial bias and discriminations against asians etc.. but it is futile. FCPS has no intent to discriminate against any particular race and that is why it has not been escalated to the Supreme Court.

But keep arguing. Youngkin and his crazy Indian appointee to the VA DOE are still clueless.

OK. But in return we have to agree to stop calling the process a better way of identifying the most gifted students in Fairfax County and admit it is set up to avoid that outcome (a class of the most gifted) by assuring spots based on geography and socioeconomic factors as opposed to objective merit. I am willing to do that and agree that FCPS has decided that is how they want to fill the class at TJ and move on. I feel badly for the more gifted and objectively meritorious students, but accept FCPS' decision. I accept that every middle school has county tax payers and thus deserve some seats to a public high school that serves the county. But I will not try to argue that it is set up to find the best and brightest as many continue to do.

The problem is there has never been a method that uses objective merit. Many parents put their thumb on the scale by using $$$ to enroll their kids in outside enrichment which skews these measures. A truly gifted student at a less affluent school can outperform a heavily prepped student at a wealthy school when given the same opportunities and since this is public school after all we need to be concerned about fairness.

Agree and why local norms are considered a best practice in gifted education selection since actual giftedness is evenly distributed throughout the population. Sure, some parents hate this since it makes it hard for them to game admissions, but all indications are it yields the best outcomes.

Citation for that?

Try google it's a widely accepted fact.

Just like QAnon is a “widely accepted fact” but there is no specific citation

I just googled it and found 170k results supporting the PP's contention cited by numerous scholarly articles even. Sorry but appears you are wrong again.

So, provide a link to at least one of these. I googled and came up with nothing.

It's amazing that literally no other human trait is evenly distributed across all races and SES, but intelligence somehow is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From yesterdays Supreme Court hearings..

“ But he suggested that programmes like the University of Texas’s Top Ten Percent plan (which offers admission to the top decile of every high school in the state) could be kosher if they can be justified by appeals to “socioeconomic” or “geographic”, rather than racial, diversity. ..”

Folks.. u can keep arguing about racial bias and discriminations against asians etc.. but it is futile. FCPS has no intent to discriminate against any particular race and that is why it has not been escalated to the Supreme Court.

But keep arguing. Youngkin and his crazy Indian appointee to the VA DOE are still clueless.

OK. But in return we have to agree to stop calling the process a better way of identifying the most gifted students in Fairfax County and admit it is set up to avoid that outcome (a class of the most gifted) by assuring spots based on geography and socioeconomic factors as opposed to objective merit. I am willing to do that and agree that FCPS has decided that is how they want to fill the class at TJ and move on. I feel badly for the more gifted and objectively meritorious students, but accept FCPS' decision. I accept that every middle school has county tax payers and thus deserve some seats to a public high school that serves the county. But I will not try to argue that it is set up to find the best and brightest as many continue to do.

The problem is there has never been a method that uses objective merit. Many parents put their thumb on the scale by using $$$ to enroll their kids in outside enrichment which skews these measures. A truly gifted student at a less affluent school can outperform a heavily prepped student at a wealthy school when given the same opportunities and since this is public school after all we need to be concerned about fairness.

Agree and why local norms are considered a best practice in gifted education selection since actual giftedness is evenly distributed throughout the population. Sure, some parents hate this since it makes it hard for them to game admissions, but all indications are it yields the best outcomes.

Citation for that?

Try google it's a widely accepted fact.

Just like QAnon is a “widely accepted fact” but there is no specific citation

I just googled it and found 170k results supporting the PP's contention cited by numerous scholarly articles even. Sorry but appears you are wrong again.

So, provide a link to at least one of these. I googled and came up with nothing.

It's amazing that literally no other human trait is evenly distributed across all races and SES, but intelligence somehow is.

PP again. When I googled, I found plenty of things that said that giftedness is represented in all races and income levels. This is obviously true. Being represented in all groups is not remotely the same thing as being evenly distributed among all groups.

It is pretty widely accepted that IQ is largely hereditary, and that highly educated professionals will generally have higher IQs. You can draw some pretty reasonable conclusions from that about the relative distribution of giftedness between the less educated/affluent population compared to UMC professionals in the DMV.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From yesterdays Supreme Court hearings..

“ But he suggested that programmes like the University of Texas’s Top Ten Percent plan (which offers admission to the top decile of every high school in the state) could be kosher if they can be justified by appeals to “socioeconomic” or “geographic”, rather than racial, diversity. ..”

Folks.. u can keep arguing about racial bias and discriminations against asians etc.. but it is futile. FCPS has no intent to discriminate against any particular race and that is why it has not been escalated to the Supreme Court.

But keep arguing. Youngkin and his crazy Indian appointee to the VA DOE are still clueless.

OK. But in return we have to agree to stop calling the process a better way of identifying the most gifted students in Fairfax County and admit it is set up to avoid that outcome (a class of the most gifted) by assuring spots based on geography and socioeconomic factors as opposed to objective merit. I am willing to do that and agree that FCPS has decided that is how they want to fill the class at TJ and move on. I feel badly for the more gifted and objectively meritorious students, but accept FCPS' decision. I accept that every middle school has county tax payers and thus deserve some seats to a public high school that serves the county. But I will not try to argue that it is set up to find the best and brightest as many continue to do.

The problem is there has never been a method that uses objective merit. Many parents put their thumb on the scale by using $$$ to enroll their kids in outside enrichment which skews these measures. A truly gifted student at a less affluent school can outperform a heavily prepped student at a wealthy school when given the same opportunities and since this is public school after all we need to be concerned about fairness.

There was a method that used objective merit when the school opened and until Asians dominated admissions.

They started dominating admissions because they became obsessed with TJ as a status symbol and started optimizing their children's life experience - through both ethical and unethical means - to maximize their likelihood of admission. Given that this is a deeply unhealthy behavior on many levels, it became critical for FCPS to make the admissions process as opaque as possible so as to disincentivize parents from engaging in this death spiral.

+1000. It would shock you to know how many families in my community have invested tens of thousands of dollars in their child's TJ application only to be rejected by the old process. The children are crushed and feel like they've failed their families and the parents largely concur.

I'm thankful for the new process if only because now parents in my community are directing their anger at the school system and not at their children. Those who are admitted should feel appreciative of the opportunity, not entitled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From yesterdays Supreme Court hearings..

“ But he suggested that programmes like the University of Texas’s Top Ten Percent plan (which offers admission to the top decile of every high school in the state) could be kosher if they can be justified by appeals to “socioeconomic” or “geographic”, rather than racial, diversity. ..”

Folks.. u can keep arguing about racial bias and discriminations against asians etc.. but it is futile. FCPS has no intent to discriminate against any particular race and that is why it has not been escalated to the Supreme Court.

But keep arguing. Youngkin and his crazy Indian appointee to the VA DOE are still clueless.

OK. But in return we have to agree to stop calling the process a better way of identifying the most gifted students in Fairfax County and admit it is set up to avoid that outcome (a class of the most gifted) by assuring spots based on geography and socioeconomic factors as opposed to objective merit. I am willing to do that and agree that FCPS has decided that is how they want to fill the class at TJ and move on. I feel badly for the more gifted and objectively meritorious students, but accept FCPS' decision. I accept that every middle school has county tax payers and thus deserve some seats to a public high school that serves the county. But I will not try to argue that it is set up to find the best and brightest as many continue to do.

The problem is there has never been a method that uses objective merit. Many parents put their thumb on the scale by using $$$ to enroll their kids in outside enrichment which skews these measures. A truly gifted student at a less affluent school can outperform a heavily prepped student at a wealthy school when given the same opportunities and since this is public school after all we need to be concerned about fairness.

There was a method that used objective merit when the school opened and until Asians dominated admissions.

They started dominating admissions because they became obsessed with TJ as a status symbol and started optimizing their children's life experience - through both ethical and unethical means - to maximize their likelihood of admission. Given that this is a deeply unhealthy behavior on many levels, it became critical for FCPS to make the admissions process as opaque as possible so as to disincentivize parents from engaging in this death spiral.

+1000. It would shock you to know how many families in my community have invested tens of thousands of dollars in their child's TJ application only to be rejected by the old process. The children are crushed and feel like they've failed their families and the parents largely concur.

I'm thankful for the new process if only because now parents in my community are directing their anger at the school system and not at their children. Those who are admitted should feel appreciative of the opportunity, not entitled.

*this*

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From yesterdays Supreme Court hearings..

“ But he suggested that programmes like the University of Texas’s Top Ten Percent plan (which offers admission to the top decile of every high school in the state) could be kosher if they can be justified by appeals to “socioeconomic” or “geographic”, rather than racial, diversity. ..”

Folks.. u can keep arguing about racial bias and discriminations against asians etc.. but it is futile. FCPS has no intent to discriminate against any particular race and that is why it has not been escalated to the Supreme Court.

But keep arguing. Youngkin and his crazy Indian appointee to the VA DOE are still clueless.

OK. But in return we have to agree to stop calling the process a better way of identifying the most gifted students in Fairfax County and admit it is set up to avoid that outcome (a class of the most gifted) by assuring spots based on geography and socioeconomic factors as opposed to objective merit. I am willing to do that and agree that FCPS has decided that is how they want to fill the class at TJ and move on. I feel badly for the more gifted and objectively meritorious students, but accept FCPS' decision. I accept that every middle school has county tax payers and thus deserve some seats to a public high school that serves the county. But I will not try to argue that it is set up to find the best and brightest as many continue to do.

The problem is there has never been a method that uses objective merit. Many parents put their thumb on the scale by using $$$ to enroll their kids in outside enrichment which skews these measures. A truly gifted student at a less affluent school can outperform a heavily prepped student at a wealthy school when given the same opportunities and since this is public school after all we need to be concerned about fairness.

There was a method that used objective merit when the school opened and until Asians dominated admissions.

They started dominating admissions because they became obsessed with TJ as a status symbol and started optimizing their children's life experience - through both ethical and unethical means - to maximize their likelihood of admission. Given that this is a deeply unhealthy behavior on many levels, it became critical for FCPS to make the admissions process as opaque as possible so as to disincentivize parents from engaging in this death spiral.

It's amazing how you can spew bigoted anti-Asian remarks on this forum with no repercussions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From yesterdays Supreme Court hearings..

“ But he suggested that programmes like the University of Texas’s Top Ten Percent plan (which offers admission to the top decile of every high school in the state) could be kosher if they can be justified by appeals to “socioeconomic” or “geographic”, rather than racial, diversity. ..”

Folks.. u can keep arguing about racial bias and discriminations against asians etc.. but it is futile. FCPS has no intent to discriminate against any particular race and that is why it has not been escalated to the Supreme Court.

But keep arguing. Youngkin and his crazy Indian appointee to the VA DOE are still clueless.

OK. But in return we have to agree to stop calling the process a better way of identifying the most gifted students in Fairfax County and admit it is set up to avoid that outcome (a class of the most gifted) by assuring spots based on geography and socioeconomic factors as opposed to objective merit. I am willing to do that and agree that FCPS has decided that is how they want to fill the class at TJ and move on. I feel badly for the more gifted and objectively meritorious students, but accept FCPS' decision. I accept that every middle school has county tax payers and thus deserve some seats to a public high school that serves the county. But I will not try to argue that it is set up to find the best and brightest as many continue to do.

The problem is there has never been a method that uses objective merit. Many parents put their thumb on the scale by using $$$ to enroll their kids in outside enrichment which skews these measures. A truly gifted student at a less affluent school can outperform a heavily prepped student at a wealthy school when given the same opportunities and since this is public school after all we need to be concerned about fairness.

There was a method that used objective merit when the school opened and until Asians dominated admissions.

They started dominating admissions because they became obsessed with TJ as a status symbol and started optimizing their children's life experience - through both ethical and unethical means - to maximize their likelihood of admission. Given that this is a deeply unhealthy behavior on many levels, it became critical for FCPS to make the admissions process as opaque as possible so as to disincentivize parents from engaging in this death spiral.

It's amazing how you can spew bigoted anti-Asian remarks on this forum with no repercussions.

They're not "remarks" - more like "observations" and "experiences". For them to be classified as "bigoted" they'd probably have to be false - but the application numbers and the tens of millions of dollars that have been poured into the TJ prep industrial complex that is narrowly tailored to serve subsets of the Asian community (Curie, Sunshine, etc) prove me right beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Now, there are white folks who do the same damn thing, and it's equally contemptible. But not NEARLY in as massive numbers, and the TJ bumper sticker isn't anywhere close to as valued in those communities.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From yesterdays Supreme Court hearings..

“ But he suggested that programmes like the University of Texas’s Top Ten Percent plan (which offers admission to the top decile of every high school in the state) could be kosher if they can be justified by appeals to “socioeconomic” or “geographic”, rather than racial, diversity. ..”

Folks.. u can keep arguing about racial bias and discriminations against asians etc.. but it is futile. FCPS has no intent to discriminate against any particular race and that is why it has not been escalated to the Supreme Court.

But keep arguing. Youngkin and his crazy Indian appointee to the VA DOE are still clueless.

OK. But in return we have to agree to stop calling the process a better way of identifying the most gifted students in Fairfax County and admit it is set up to avoid that outcome (a class of the most gifted) by assuring spots based on geography and socioeconomic factors as opposed to objective merit. I am willing to do that and agree that FCPS has decided that is how they want to fill the class at TJ and move on. I feel badly for the more gifted and objectively meritorious students, but accept FCPS' decision. I accept that every middle school has county tax payers and thus deserve some seats to a public high school that serves the county. But I will not try to argue that it is set up to find the best and brightest as many continue to do.

The problem is there has never been a method that uses objective merit. Many parents put their thumb on the scale by using $$$ to enroll their kids in outside enrichment which skews these measures. A truly gifted student at a less affluent school can outperform a heavily prepped student at a wealthy school when given the same opportunities and since this is public school after all we need to be concerned about fairness.

There was a method that used objective merit when the school opened and until Asians dominated admissions.

They started dominating admissions because they became obsessed with TJ as a status symbol and started optimizing their children's life experience - through both ethical and unethical means - to maximize their likelihood of admission. Given that this is a deeply unhealthy behavior on many levels, it became critical for FCPS to make the admissions process as opaque as possible so as to disincentivize parents from engaging in this death spiral.

It's amazing how you can spew bigoted anti-Asian remarks on this forum with no repercussions.

They're not "remarks" - more like "observations" and "experiences". For them to be classified as "bigoted" they'd probably have to be false - but the application numbers and the tens of millions of dollars that have been poured into the TJ prep industrial complex that is narrowly tailored to serve subsets of the Asian community (Curie, Sunshine, etc) prove me right beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Now, there are white folks who do the same damn thing, and it's equally contemptible. But not NEARLY in as massive numbers, and the TJ bumper sticker isn't anywhere close to as valued in those communities.

Oh, so this phenomenon is unique to TJ and Asians? Please. What about the college admissions cheating scandal and the overall college rat race, the sports hook, the fake essays, the billion dollar testing industry, and ridiculous parent behavior when it comes to all of these things? This is not Asian, this is a UMC human phenomenon.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From yesterdays Supreme Court hearings..

“ But he suggested that programmes like the University of Texas’s Top Ten Percent plan (which offers admission to the top decile of every high school in the state) could be kosher if they can be justified by appeals to “socioeconomic” or “geographic”, rather than racial, diversity. ..”

Folks.. u can keep arguing about racial bias and discriminations against asians etc.. but it is futile. FCPS has no intent to discriminate against any particular race and that is why it has not been escalated to the Supreme Court.

But keep arguing. Youngkin and his crazy Indian appointee to the VA DOE are still clueless.

OK. But in return we have to agree to stop calling the process a better way of identifying the most gifted students in Fairfax County and admit it is set up to avoid that outcome (a class of the most gifted) by assuring spots based on geography and socioeconomic factors as opposed to objective merit. I am willing to do that and agree that FCPS has decided that is how they want to fill the class at TJ and move on. I feel badly for the more gifted and objectively meritorious students, but accept FCPS' decision. I accept that every middle school has county tax payers and thus deserve some seats to a public high school that serves the county. But I will not try to argue that it is set up to find the best and brightest as many continue to do.

The problem is there has never been a method that uses objective merit. Many parents put their thumb on the scale by using $$$ to enroll their kids in outside enrichment which skews these measures. A truly gifted student at a less affluent school can outperform a heavily prepped student at a wealthy school when given the same opportunities and since this is public school after all we need to be concerned about fairness.

There was a method that used objective merit when the school opened and until Asians dominated admissions.

They started dominating admissions because they became obsessed with TJ as a status symbol and started optimizing their children's life experience - through both ethical and unethical means - to maximize their likelihood of admission. Given that this is a deeply unhealthy behavior on many levels, it became critical for FCPS to make the admissions process as opaque as possible so as to disincentivize parents from engaging in this death spiral.

It's amazing how you can spew bigoted anti-Asian remarks on this forum with no repercussions.

They're not "remarks" - more like "observations" and "experiences". For them to be classified as "bigoted" they'd probably have to be false - but the application numbers and the tens of millions of dollars that have been poured into the TJ prep industrial complex that is narrowly tailored to serve subsets of the Asian community (Curie, Sunshine, etc) prove me right beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Now, there are white folks who do the same damn thing, and it's equally contemptible. But not NEARLY in as massive numbers, and the TJ bumper sticker isn't anywhere close to as valued in those communities.

Oh, so this phenomenon is unique to TJ and Asians? Please. What about the college admissions cheating scandal and the overall college rat race, the sports hook, the fake essays, the billion dollar testing industry, and ridiculous parent behavior when it comes to all of these things? This is not Asian, this is a UMC human phenomenon.

The phenomenon with respect to TJ is nearly unique to Asians, yes. And that's all I'm concerned with because it's all I'm connected to.

Everything you mentioned up there is hugely problematic with the exception of sports - those are critical to the economy of colleges because of their impact on donations, applications, and overall interest in the school - and needs a solution.

But with respect to TJ, the trendline over the past 25-30 years is inarguable if you've been around long enough to see it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

They started dominating admissions because they became obsessed with TJ as a status symbol and started optimizing their children's life experience - through both ethical and unethical means - to maximize their likelihood of admission. Given that this is a deeply unhealthy behavior on many levels, it became critical for FCPS to make the admissions process as opaque as possible so as to disincentivize parents from engaging in this death spiral.

Any non-Asians that optimize their children's life experience towards admissions to colleges?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

They started dominating admissions because they became obsessed with TJ as a status symbol and started optimizing their children's life experience - through both ethical and unethical means - to maximize their likelihood of admission. Given that this is a deeply unhealthy behavior on many levels, it became critical for FCPS to make the admissions process as opaque as possible so as to disincentivize parents from engaging in this death spiral.

Any non-Asians that optimize their children's life experience towards admissions to colleges?

1) We’re not talking about colleges here, we’re talking about TJ, and that phenomenon is - while not exclusively - overwhelmingly Asian, and specifically South Asian. This is not a controversial statement.

2) Academic prestige is ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE more important to Asian families than it is to families of any other ethnic or racial demographic. This is also not a controversial statement.