2022 US News Best National Universities

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Anonymous wrote:the costs of college can't keep rising unless somebody pays. That's usually government loans or bank loans. Obviously these lenders think the price of a college tuition is worth it or they wouldn't keep lending.

Burying head in the sand and saying the building has not completely collapsed yet (even while foundations are crumbling) is not a great strategy …

Large numbers of people are not able able to pay off college debts/ interest and many still have college debts into their senior years. Many young people are deferring getting married and having children because they have to pay off their college debts - and that is if they finish and get decent jobs.

It is connected to the college reputation arms race and they are not separate issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the costs of college can't keep rising unless somebody pays. That's usually government loans or bank loans. Obviously these lenders think the price of a college tuition is worth it or they wouldn't keep lending.

Burying head in the sand and saying the building has not completely collapsed yet (even while foundations are crumbling) is not a great strategy …

Large numbers of people are not able able to pay off college debts/ interest and many still have college debts into their senior years. Many young people are deferring getting married and having children because they have to pay off their college debts - and that is if they finish and get decent jobs.

It is connected to the college reputation arms race and they are not separate issues.

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The student loan debt crisis affects over 43 million Americans. Debt levels have prompted legislative action for the first time in the federal student loan program’s history.
Americans owe a total of $1.71 trillion in federal and private student loan debt combined.
Federal student loan debt alone totals $1.57 trillion.
15% of all American adults report they have outstanding undergraduate student debt.
12.4% of student loan debt in repayment is delinquent as of March 2020.
42.9 million federal borrowers and up to 3 million private borrowers owe student loan debt.


Over the past 20 years,
•The average tuition and fees at private National Universities have jumped 144%.
•Out-of-state tuition and fees at public National Universities have risen 165%.
•In-state tuition and fees at public National Universities have grown the most, increasing 212%.

*** State spending on public colleges and universities remains well below historic levels, despite recent increase.

***On the other hand, marketing departments at US colleges spend an average of $1,037,651 on marketing expenses, nearly half of which is dedicated towards media expenditures.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/09/why-is-college-so-expensive-in-america/569884/

All told, including the contributions of individual families and the government (in the form of student loans, grants, and other assistance), Americans spend about $30,000 per student a year—nearly twice as much as the average developed country. “The U.S. is in a class of its own,” says Andreas Schleicher, the director for education and skills at the OECD, and he does not mean this as a compliment. “Spending per student is exorbitant, and it has virtually no relationship to the value that students could possibly get in exchange.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the costs of college can't keep rising unless somebody pays. That's usually government loans or bank loans. Obviously these lenders think the price of a college tuition is worth it or they wouldn't keep lending.

Burying head in the sand and saying the building has not completely collapsed yet (even while foundations are crumbling) is not a great strategy …

Large numbers of people are not able able to pay off college debts/ interest and many still have college debts into their senior years. Many young people are deferring getting married and having children because they have to pay off their college debts - and that is if they finish and get decent jobs.

It is connected to the college reputation arms race and they are not separate issues.

+1


The student loan debt crisis affects over 43 million Americans. Debt levels have prompted legislative action for the first time in the federal student loan program’s history.
Americans owe a total of $1.71 trillion in federal and private student loan debt combined.
Federal student loan debt alone totals $1.57 trillion.
15% of all American adults report they have outstanding undergraduate student debt.
12.4% of student loan debt in repayment is delinquent as of March 2020.
42.9 million federal borrowers and up to 3 million private borrowers owe student loan debt.


Over the past 20 years,
•The average tuition and fees at private National Universities have jumped 144%.
•Out-of-state tuition and fees at public National Universities have risen 165%.
•In-state tuition and fees at public National Universities have grown the most, increasing 212%.

*** State spending on public colleges and universities remains well below historic levels, despite recent increase.

***On the other hand, marketing departments at US colleges spend an average of $1,037,651 on marketing expenses, nearly half of which is dedicated towards media expenditures.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/09/why-is-college-so-expensive-in-america/569884/

All told, including the contributions of individual families and the government (in the form of student loans, grants, and other assistance), Americans spend about $30,000 per student a year—nearly twice as much as the average developed country. “The U.S. is in a class of its own,” says Andreas Schleicher, the director for education and skills at the OECD, and he does not mean this as a compliment. “Spending per student is exorbitant, and it has virtually no relationship to the value that students could possibly get in exchange.”

It's perfectly fair to bemoan the high cost of tuition, we all do. But it's due to the availability of money. You can go ahead and refuse to pay it. But the schools haven't hit the ceiling yet where enough students stop applying due to the high costs to force them to stop raising tuition. My kid goes to a school that proudly claims it meet 100% of a students demonstrated financial need. I doubt most parents around here pay the actual sticker price. And a lot of that debt you're talking about is for people who go to schools that aren't even engaged in the so-called "arms race" but who take 6 years or more to graduate or even drop out.

[Anonymous]

These lists have barely changed in the last 25 years.... it's always the general same spots. You get the occasional change up and down like Yale sometimes being 1 to being 5 this year but everyone knows it's meaningless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the costs of college can't keep rising unless somebody pays. That's usually government loans or bank loans. Obviously these lenders think the price of a college tuition is worth it or they wouldn't keep lending.

Burying head in the sand and saying the building has not completely collapsed yet (even while foundations are crumbling) is not a great strategy …

Large numbers of people are not able able to pay off college debts/ interest and many still have college debts into their senior years. Many young people are deferring getting married and having children because they have to pay off their college debts - and that is if they finish and get decent jobs.

It is connected to the college reputation arms race and they are not separate issues.

+1


The student loan debt crisis affects over 43 million Americans. Debt levels have prompted legislative action for the first time in the federal student loan program’s history.
Americans owe a total of $1.71 trillion in federal and private student loan debt combined.
Federal student loan debt alone totals $1.57 trillion.
15% of all American adults report they have outstanding undergraduate student debt.
12.4% of student loan debt in repayment is delinquent as of March 2020.
42.9 million federal borrowers and up to 3 million private borrowers owe student loan debt.


Over the past 20 years,
•The average tuition and fees at private National Universities have jumped 144%.
•Out-of-state tuition and fees at public National Universities have risen 165%.
•In-state tuition and fees at public National Universities have grown the most, increasing 212%.

*** State spending on public colleges and universities remains well below historic levels, despite recent increase.

***On the other hand, marketing departments at US colleges spend an average of $1,037,651 on marketing expenses, nearly half of which is dedicated towards media expenditures.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/09/why-is-college-so-expensive-in-america/569884/

All told, including the contributions of individual families and the government (in the form of student loans, grants, and other assistance), Americans spend about $30,000 per student a year—nearly twice as much as the average developed country. “The U.S. is in a class of its own,” says Andreas Schleicher, the director for education and skills at the OECD, and he does not mean this as a compliment. “Spending per student is exorbitant, and it has virtually no relationship to the value that students could possibly get in exchange.”

It's perfectly fair to bemoan the high cost of tuition, we all do. But it's due to the availability of money. You can go ahead and refuse to pay it. But the schools haven't hit the ceiling yet where enough students stop applying due to the high costs to force them to stop raising tuition. My kid goes to a school that proudly claims it meet 100% of a students demonstrated financial need. I doubt most parents around here pay the actual sticker price. And a lot of that debt you're talking about is for people who go to schools that aren't even engaged in the so-called "arms race" but who take 6 years or more to graduate or even drop out.

Where is the myopia icon when ya need it?

Not talking about my kid or your kid individually (we got ours through a highly ranked college debt free in 4 years by the grace of God) - I realize we are blessed but see many struggles even in our affluent area. Your children sound blessed also. However there is a new generation of young people who are falling behind and can’t afford to buy homes and start families as we did when we were young. We need to provide realistic paths to the American Dream for a majority not a minority.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the costs of college can't keep rising unless somebody pays. That's usually government loans or bank loans. Obviously these lenders think the price of a college tuition is worth it or they wouldn't keep lending.

Burying head in the sand and saying the building has not completely collapsed yet (even while foundations are crumbling) is not a great strategy …

Large numbers of people are not able able to pay off college debts/ interest and many still have college debts into their senior years. Many young people are deferring getting married and having children because they have to pay off their college debts - and that is if they finish and get decent jobs.

It is connected to the college reputation arms race and they are not separate issues.

+1


The student loan debt crisis affects over 43 million Americans. Debt levels have prompted legislative action for the first time in the federal student loan program’s history.
Americans owe a total of $1.71 trillion in federal and private student loan debt combined.
Federal student loan debt alone totals $1.57 trillion.
15% of all American adults report they have outstanding undergraduate student debt.
12.4% of student loan debt in repayment is delinquent as of March 2020.
42.9 million federal borrowers and up to 3 million private borrowers owe student loan debt.


Over the past 20 years,
•The average tuition and fees at private National Universities have jumped 144%.
•Out-of-state tuition and fees at public National Universities have risen 165%.
•In-state tuition and fees at public National Universities have grown the most, increasing 212%.

*** State spending on public colleges and universities remains well below historic levels, despite recent increase.

***On the other hand, marketing departments at US colleges spend an average of $1,037,651 on marketing expenses, nearly half of which is dedicated towards media expenditures.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/09/why-is-college-so-expensive-in-america/569884/

All told, including the contributions of individual families and the government (in the form of student loans, grants, and other assistance), Americans spend about $30,000 per student a year—nearly twice as much as the average developed country. “The U.S. is in a class of its own,” says Andreas Schleicher, the director for education and skills at the OECD, and he does not mean this as a compliment. “Spending per student is exorbitant, and it has virtually no relationship to the value that students could possibly get in exchange.”

It's perfectly fair to bemoan the high cost of tuition, we all do. But it's due to the availability of money. You can go ahead and refuse to pay it. But the schools haven't hit the ceiling yet where enough students stop applying due to the high costs to force them to stop raising tuition. My kid goes to a school that proudly claims it meet 100% of a students demonstrated financial need. I doubt most parents around here pay the actual sticker price. And a lot of that debt you're talking about is for people who go to schools that aren't even engaged in the so-called "arms race" but who take 6 years or more to graduate or even drop out.

Where is the myopia icon when ya need it?

Not talking about my kid or your kid individually (we got ours through a highly ranked college debt free in 4 years by the grace of God) - I realize we are blessed but see many struggles even in our affluent area. Your children sound blessed also. However there is a new generation of young people who are falling behind and can’t afford to buy homes and start families as we did when we were young. We need to provide realistic paths to the American Dream for a majority not a minority.

Just general societal belly-aching. That's cool, but it's not caused by the USNWR rankings.

[Anonymous]

The USNA is ranked #1 in top public schools and #6 in liberal arts schools. Not bad.

[Anonymous]

I was just looking at the Michigan thread, and looked up the school. No. 3 public in the country and tuition is free for families making less than $65,000.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the costs of college can't keep rising unless somebody pays. That's usually government loans or bank loans. Obviously these lenders think the price of a college tuition is worth it or they wouldn't keep lending.

Burying head in the sand and saying the building has not completely collapsed yet (even while foundations are crumbling) is not a great strategy …

Large numbers of people are not able able to pay off college debts/ interest and many still have college debts into their senior years. Many young people are deferring getting married and having children because they have to pay off their college debts - and that is if they finish and get decent jobs.

It is connected to the college reputation arms race and they are not separate issues.

+1


The student loan debt crisis affects over 43 million Americans. Debt levels have prompted legislative action for the first time in the federal student loan program’s history.
Americans owe a total of $1.71 trillion in federal and private student loan debt combined.
Federal student loan debt alone totals $1.57 trillion.
15% of all American adults report they have outstanding undergraduate student debt.
12.4% of student loan debt in repayment is delinquent as of March 2020.
42.9 million federal borrowers and up to 3 million private borrowers owe student loan debt.


Over the past 20 years,
•The average tuition and fees at private National Universities have jumped 144%.
•Out-of-state tuition and fees at public National Universities have risen 165%.
•In-state tuition and fees at public National Universities have grown the most, increasing 212%.

*** State spending on public colleges and universities remains well below historic levels, despite recent increase.

***On the other hand, marketing departments at US colleges spend an average of $1,037,651 on marketing expenses, nearly half of which is dedicated towards media expenditures.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/09/why-is-college-so-expensive-in-america/569884/

All told, including the contributions of individual families and the government (in the form of student loans, grants, and other assistance), Americans spend about $30,000 per student a year—nearly twice as much as the average developed country. “The U.S. is in a class of its own,” says Andreas Schleicher, the director for education and skills at the OECD, and he does not mean this as a compliment. “Spending per student is exorbitant, and it has virtually no relationship to the value that students could possibly get in exchange.”

It's perfectly fair to bemoan the high cost of tuition, we all do. But it's due to the availability of money. You can go ahead and refuse to pay it. But the schools haven't hit the ceiling yet where enough students stop applying due to the high costs to force them to stop raising tuition. My kid goes to a school that proudly claims it meet 100% of a students demonstrated financial need. I doubt most parents around here pay the actual sticker price. And a lot of that debt you're talking about is for people who go to schools that aren't even engaged in the so-called "arms race" but who take 6 years or more to graduate or even drop out.

Where is the myopia icon when ya need it?

Not talking about my kid or your kid individually (we got ours through a highly ranked college debt free in 4 years by the grace of God) - I realize we are blessed but see many struggles even in our affluent area. Your children sound blessed also. However there is a new generation of young people who are falling behind and can’t afford to buy homes and start families as we did when we were young. We need to provide realistic paths to the American Dream for a majority not a minority.

Just general societal belly-aching. That's cool, but it's not caused by the USNWR rankings.

Nope specific societal belly aching related to how this topic is driving student debts and social inequalities …

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was just looking at the Michigan thread, and looked up the school. No. 3 public in the country and tuition is free for families making less than $65,000.

It has a $12 billion endowment / glad they are putting some of that to good use … not going to post graduate stipends …

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the costs of college can't keep rising unless somebody pays. That's usually government loans or bank loans. Obviously these lenders think the price of a college tuition is worth it or they wouldn't keep lending.

Burying head in the sand and saying the building has not completely collapsed yet (even while foundations are crumbling) is not a great strategy …

Large numbers of people are not able able to pay off college debts/ interest and many still have college debts into their senior years. Many young people are deferring getting married and having children because they have to pay off their college debts - and that is if they finish and get decent jobs.

It is connected to the college reputation arms race and they are not separate issues.

+1


The student loan debt crisis affects over 43 million Americans. Debt levels have prompted legislative action for the first time in the federal student loan program’s history.
Americans owe a total of $1.71 trillion in federal and private student loan debt combined.
Federal student loan debt alone totals $1.57 trillion.
15% of all American adults report they have outstanding undergraduate student debt.
12.4% of student loan debt in repayment is delinquent as of March 2020.
42.9 million federal borrowers and up to 3 million private borrowers owe student loan debt.


Over the past 20 years,
•The average tuition and fees at private National Universities have jumped 144%.
•Out-of-state tuition and fees at public National Universities have risen 165%.
•In-state tuition and fees at public National Universities have grown the most, increasing 212%.

*** State spending on public colleges and universities remains well below historic levels, despite recent increase.

***On the other hand, marketing departments at US colleges spend an average of $1,037,651 on marketing expenses, nearly half of which is dedicated towards media expenditures.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/09/why-is-college-so-expensive-in-america/569884/

All told, including the contributions of individual families and the government (in the form of student loans, grants, and other assistance), Americans spend about $30,000 per student a year—nearly twice as much as the average developed country. “The U.S. is in a class of its own,” says Andreas Schleicher, the director for education and skills at the OECD, and he does not mean this as a compliment. “Spending per student is exorbitant, and it has virtually no relationship to the value that students could possibly get in exchange.”

It's perfectly fair to bemoan the high cost of tuition, we all do. But it's due to the availability of money. You can go ahead and refuse to pay it. But the schools haven't hit the ceiling yet where enough students stop applying due to the high costs to force them to stop raising tuition. My kid goes to a school that proudly claims it meet 100% of a students demonstrated financial need. I doubt most parents around here pay the actual sticker price. And a lot of that debt you're talking about is for people who go to schools that aren't even engaged in the so-called "arms race" but who take 6 years or more to graduate or even drop out.

Where is the myopia icon when ya need it?

Not talking about my kid or your kid individually (we got ours through a highly ranked college debt free in 4 years by the grace of God) - I realize we are blessed but see many struggles even in our affluent area. Your children sound blessed also. However there is a new generation of young people who are falling behind and can’t afford to buy homes and start families as we did when we were young. We need to provide realistic paths to the American Dream for a majority not a minority.

Just general societal belly-aching. That's cool, but it's not caused by the USNWR rankings.

Nope specific societal belly aching related to how this topic is driving student debts and social inequalities …

I can hear the same gripes down at the corner bar. Everyone complains about college costs these days. There's a college for everyone, and as discussed above, most colleges will give considerable financial assistance to deserving students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was just looking at the Michigan thread, and looked up the school. No. 3 public in the country and tuition is free for families making less than $65,000.

That is only for instate students of course.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These lists have barely changed in the last 25 years.... it's always the general same spots. You get the occasional change up and down like Yale sometimes being 1 to being 5 this year but everyone knows it's meaningless.

That is not surprising and it will continue. The exact placements go a little up or down but no one is overly focussed on that except for 4 posters on DCUM. There is nothing wrong with having a group of outstanding institutions of higher learning....there is something wrong if people can't benefit from them.

Can these schools expand to take in some more students and make sure they continue the effort to get students from underrepresented groups in and getting the advantage of that education?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:the costs of college can't keep rising unless somebody pays. That's usually government loans or bank loans. Obviously these lenders think the price of a college tuition is worth it or they wouldn't keep lending.

Burying head in the sand and saying the building has not completely collapsed yet (even while foundations are crumbling) is not a great strategy …

Large numbers of people are not able able to pay off college debts/ interest and many still have college debts into their senior years. Many young people are deferring getting married and having children because they have to pay off their college debts - and that is if they finish and get decent jobs.

It is connected to the college reputation arms race and they are not separate issues.

+1


The student loan debt crisis affects over 43 million Americans. Debt levels have prompted legislative action for the first time in the federal student loan program’s history.
Americans owe a total of $1.71 trillion in federal and private student loan debt combined.
Federal student loan debt alone totals $1.57 trillion.
15% of all American adults report they have outstanding undergraduate student debt.
12.4% of student loan debt in repayment is delinquent as of March 2020.
42.9 million federal borrowers and up to 3 million private borrowers owe student loan debt.


Over the past 20 years,
•The average tuition and fees at private National Universities have jumped 144%.
•Out-of-state tuition and fees at public National Universities have risen 165%.
•In-state tuition and fees at public National Universities have grown the most, increasing 212%.

*** State spending on public colleges and universities remains well below historic levels, despite recent increase.

***On the other hand, marketing departments at US colleges spend an average of $1,037,651 on marketing expenses, nearly half of which is dedicated towards media expenditures.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/09/why-is-college-so-expensive-in-america/569884/

All told, including the contributions of individual families and the government (in the form of student loans, grants, and other assistance), Americans spend about $30,000 per student a year—nearly twice as much as the average developed country. “The U.S. is in a class of its own,” says Andreas Schleicher, the director for education and skills at the OECD, and he does not mean this as a compliment. “Spending per student is exorbitant, and it has virtually no relationship to the value that students could possibly get in exchange.”

It's perfectly fair to bemoan the high cost of tuition, we all do. But it's due to the availability of money. You can go ahead and refuse to pay it. But the schools haven't hit the ceiling yet where enough students stop applying due to the high costs to force them to stop raising tuition. My kid goes to a school that proudly claims it meet 100% of a students demonstrated financial need. I doubt most parents around here pay the actual sticker price. And a lot of that debt you're talking about is for people who go to schools that aren't even engaged in the so-called "arms race" but who take 6 years or more to graduate or even drop out.

Where is the myopia icon when ya need it?

Not talking about my kid or your kid individually (we got ours through a highly ranked college debt free in 4 years by the grace of God) - I realize we are blessed but see many struggles even in our affluent area. Your children sound blessed also. However there is a new generation of young people who are falling behind and can’t afford to buy homes and start families as we did when we were young. We need to provide realistic paths to the American Dream for a majority not a minority.

Just general societal belly-aching. That's cool, but it's not caused by the USNWR rankings.

Nope specific societal belly aching related to how this topic is driving student debts and social inequalities …

I can hear the same gripes down at the corner bar. Everyone complains about college costs these days. There's a college for everyone, and as discussed above, most colleges will give considerable financial assistance to deserving students.

Yeah but this is not your corner bar - this a thread related to US News college rankings. You have provided no evidence to support your flippant trivializations of my (and many other peoples’j valid concerns around college rankings and it’s negative impacts on our higher education system. I (and others) have provided credible data and evidence supporting the view that the US News College rankings do not serve anyone well and contribute to higher college costs, the student loan crisis and deepening social inequalities.

Also the point about there being a college for everyone is, or should be, true. However, that is not relevant to the topic of this thread. Actually, US News rankings give rise to many students feeling inadequate and less confident about the quality of their education, even when the education offered is excellent.

Rankings of all kinds can be helpful in allowing for wiser choices but the Us News College rankings are not about helping students to decide where to apply but about perpetuating elite mythology around quality higher education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These lists have barely changed in the last 25 years.... it's always the general same spots. You get the occasional change up and down like Yale sometimes being 1 to being 5 this year but everyone knows it's meaningless.

Berkeley was Top 5 in the 80s. Talk about a drop.