Hayfield Football Coach Fired

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Anonymous wrote:At this point, FCPS should just assume ffx times has more screenshots of texts

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Overton and his crew didn’t do their research on the likes of Asra Q. Nomani (not all that surprising). Once she got involved the smart bettors knew this was going to be a death by 1000 cuts type situation. She’s likely sitting on a mountain of evidence and just slowly going to let it drip out.

Yep. I disagree with her politics but she is a great journalist. She's like a dog with a bone.

She’s diligent and uncovers stuff that others wouldn’t look for or find. She isn’t always accurate - for example, she suggested the Herndon FB coach recently resigned over FCPS’s handling of the Hayfield situation and he completely disavowed her claim.

The Herndon coach was recruiting. I know that for a fact.

All this slandering of other programs and coaches with NO PROOF is pathetic.

Exactly - my kid went to preschool with most of those players. They've lived there their whole lives.

My kids have been knowing them since preschool as well and there are some kids who haven’t lived in the zone that long.

I know for a fact the Herndon football coach was recruiting and trying to sway a kid with private school opportunities, but lived in the zone into attending Herndon.

They do it for basketball too, as there is a sophomore playing for Herndon whose home address is zoned for a different school. He was persuaded by the basketball coach to attend Herndon.

I'm not sure this is the type of "recruiting" that violates the rules. The student was already slated to attend Herndon as he lived in the Herndon district. The coach seemed to be simply asking him to stay to and play there as opposed to attend the private school. In fact, it really isn't recruiting. The kid was going there anyway if he didn't decide to attend a private high school.

Recruiting is recruiting, he wasn’t going anyway, and probably won’t be back next year.

Seems the VHSL is selective as to who the enforce these rules against.

You can’t “recruit” someone that is already at the school. Don’t propose something so preposterous. You come across as foolish.

But wait the private school kids that left and returned to Hayfield it seems to be an issue, as they live in the district (not moved into the district). But all u hear is oh Hayfield had x from private schools. W

Who says they live in the Hayfield boundary? Lots of rumors about where those kids lived.

How do rumors get started
There started by the jealous people
Cuz they get mad over something they had
And someone else is holding

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Anonymous wrote:Fcps is claiming they didn't know anything about the texts until the coaches meeting last week, and they have been "researching" them ever since...

Said another way, Reid and School Board knew ALL of this when they were putting out their pro-Hayfield propaganda letters last week and granting a club-med out of country exit with all benefits and pension in tact to AD.

After all their screw ups with actual education, is football going to be what brings down this superintendent and school board?

You're in a bubble if you think that everyone really cares about this. Half of the school system has students in grades K-6. This just isn't on their radar, and they don't care about some football team. Reid is not going down for this. But dream on.

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Anonymous wrote:At this point, FCPS should just assume ffx times has more screenshots of texts

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Overton and his crew didn’t do their research on the likes of Asra Q. Nomani (not all that surprising). Once she got involved the smart bettors knew this was going to be a death by 1000 cuts type situation. She’s likely sitting on a mountain of evidence and just slowly going to let it drip out.

Yep. I disagree with her politics but she is a great journalist. She's like a dog with a bone.

She’s diligent and uncovers stuff that others wouldn’t look for or find. She isn’t always accurate - for example, she suggested the Herndon FB coach recently resigned over FCPS’s handling of the Hayfield situation and he completely disavowed her claim.

The Herndon coach was recruiting. I know that for a fact.

All this slandering of other programs and coaches with NO PROOF is pathetic.

Exactly - my kid went to preschool with most of those players. They've lived there their whole lives.

My kids have been knowing them since preschool as well and there are some kids who haven’t lived in the zone that long.

I know for a fact the Herndon football coach was recruiting and trying to sway a kid with private school opportunities, but lived in the zone into attending Herndon.

They do it for basketball too, as there is a sophomore playing for Herndon whose home address is zoned for a different school. He was persuaded by the basketball coach to attend Herndon.

I'm not sure this is the type of "recruiting" that violates the rules. The student was already slated to attend Herndon as he lived in the Herndon district. The coach seemed to be simply asking him to stay to and play there as opposed to attend the private school. In fact, it really isn't recruiting. The kid was going there anyway if he didn't decide to attend a private high school.

Recruiting is recruiting, he wasn’t going anyway, and probably won’t be back next year.

Seems the VHSL is selective as to who the enforce these rules against.

You can’t “recruit” someone that is already at the school. Don’t propose something so preposterous. You come across as foolish.

But wait the private school kids that left and returned to Hayfield it seems to be an issue, as they live in the district (not moved into the district). But all u hear is oh Hayfield had x from private schools. W

Nice try to confuse the issue. Everyone here knows the majority of the transfers came from Freedom HS, not private. There was one player who came from Dematha. He could be living anywhere, but would assume MD or DC.

There pinkies the problem with ALOT of this thread speculation and assumptions. Stop inserting where you weren’t called on. The dialogue was about one subject that was the PS transfers not the Freedom

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry there is NO WAY that the six private school kids just coincidentally already happened to be zoned for Hayfield. No way.

Well if their parents can pay private school tuition, they can also pay for rent inside the hayfield boundaries

Against vhsl rules to transfer for sports.

As a parent if u can’t PROVE it was for sports there is nothing you can do. Yes, my kid needs or wants this specific class to further his education efforts, now if he so happens hv played on the football team, technically it’s luck of the draw. ETHICALLY, I 100 percent agree it could look otherwise, but you still can’t prove it, it’s just irony

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry there is NO WAY that the six private school kids just coincidentally already happened to be zoned for Hayfield. No way.

Well if their parents can pay private school tuition, they can also pay for rent inside the hayfield boundaries

Against vhsl rules to transfer for sports.

As a parent if u can’t PROVE it was for sports there is nothing you can do. Yes, my kid needs or wants this specific class to further his education efforts, now if he so happens hv played on the football team, technically it’s luck of the draw. ETHICALLY, I 100 percent agree it could look otherwise, but you still can’t prove it, it’s just irony

There are parents on video saying that’s exactly why they transferred. Video has since gone private, but you know interested partied snagged download first.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry there is NO WAY that the six private school kids just coincidentally already happened to be zoned for Hayfield. No way.

Well if their parents can pay private school tuition, they can also pay for rent inside the hayfield boundaries

Against vhsl rules to transfer for sports.

As a parent if u can’t PROVE it was for sports there is nothing you can do. Yes, my kid needs or wants this specific class to further his education efforts, now if he so happens hv played on the football team, technically it’s luck of the draw. ETHICALLY, I 100 percent agree it could look otherwise, but you still can’t prove it, it’s just irony

That’s why Hayfield won’t be banned. If we wanna speculate, we can speculate about a lot of schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry there is NO WAY that the six private school kids just coincidentally already happened to be zoned for Hayfield. No way.

Well if their parents can pay private school tuition, they can also pay for rent inside the hayfield boundaries

Against vhsl rules to transfer for sports.

As a parent if u can’t PROVE it was for sports there is nothing you can do. Yes, my kid needs or wants this specific class to further his education efforts, now if he so happens hv played on the football team, technically it’s luck of the draw. ETHICALLY, I 100 percent agree it could look otherwise, but you still can’t prove it, it’s just irony

There are parents on video saying that’s exactly why they transferred. Video has since gone private, but you know interested partied snagged download first.

The parents are on video praising Overton, saying they moved to the school zone, but none said Overton is the only reason their kid transferred. They can easily say that was one reason and then come up with some other reasons.
You guys are wasting your time with this.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this enough to have state AG take over? It is what’s needed.

That’s no smoking gun and I don’t think it’s damning. It shows the AD expected transfers to come in with Overton and he mentioned homeless kids as an example.

If kids had been caught faking homeless, they may have something here, but I don’t thing this shows any violation being committed.

Nonsense. Why do you think Fritts suggested kids would transfer in as homeless and responded with three "laughing enojis" when his friend said "they better actually be homeless" ?

Moreover why---if kids weren't expected to transfer to play football which is a VHsL
Violation---is the conversation which started discussing hiring Overton then about how 10+ kids will be transferring from ither schools and some pretending to be homeless?

Reading this, I took it like Overton was truly sought after, ok fine, I believe they already had in their minds just like anywhere else with Overton coming in “some” kids would follow, and in my head the mention of 10 starters comment was basically a subtle shot at the players already there not being good enough and that with new coach comes better players.

This doesn't happen, actually. Kids don't jump from public HS to public HS following "their" coach around.

Stop it, please stop lying about a known epidemic, this one is only where it’s at based on the number of transfers not transfer in general

No one is lying. My kid's large FCPS HS got a new head football coach this year and no kids "followed him". "Better players" do not come with new coaches at public high schools, except apparently in shady places like PWC.

You’re definitely fabricating this, but ok for convenience sakes I’ll believe you

Nope!
Public school coaches show up for and coach the kids who already attend that school. They don't bring a three ring circus to work with them.

The fact that you don't understand this is...puzzling.

The fact that i KNOW this to be a lie because I personally hv coached at 3diff FCPS schools and hv witnessed things know other coaches who hv tried things. i dont feel the need to have to prove anything just know i know different. May not be every school and thats simply because the school isn’t good enuf in that sport to even want to transfer to.

Assuming we take you at your word, have you ever seen 18 transfers at once? (And at some point you have to back it up w/some details)

Most I’ve ever known/seen was 5 maybe 6 most, I’ve also heard about coaches using the homeless rule when kids couldn’t provide a family address. I’ve heard and seen coaches take kids home after practice for the entire year or pay for them catch busses

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Anonymous wrote:At this point, FCPS should just assume ffx times has more screenshots of texts

100%

Overton and his crew didn’t do their research on the likes of Asra Q. Nomani (not all that surprising). Once she got involved the smart bettors knew this was going to be a death by 1000 cuts type situation. She’s likely sitting on a mountain of evidence and just slowly going to let it drip out.

Yep. I disagree with her politics but she is a great journalist. She's like a dog with a bone.

She’s diligent and uncovers stuff that others wouldn’t look for or find. She isn’t always accurate - for example, she suggested the Herndon FB coach recently resigned over FCPS’s handling of the Hayfield situation and he completely disavowed her claim.

The Herndon coach was recruiting. I know that for a fact.

All this slandering of other programs and coaches with NO PROOF is pathetic.

Exactly - my kid went to preschool with most of those players. They've lived there their whole lives.

My kids have been knowing them since preschool as well and there are some kids who haven’t lived in the zone that long.

I know for a fact the Herndon football coach was recruiting and trying to sway a kid with private school opportunities, but lived in the zone into attending Herndon.

They do it for basketball too, as there is a sophomore playing for Herndon whose home address is zoned for a different school. He was persuaded by the basketball coach to attend Herndon.

I'm not sure this is the type of "recruiting" that violates the rules. The student was already slated to attend Herndon as he lived in the Herndon district. The coach seemed to be simply asking him to stay to and play there as opposed to attend the private school. In fact, it really isn't recruiting. The kid was going there anyway if he didn't decide to attend a private high school.

Recruiting is recruiting, he wasn’t going anyway, and probably won’t be back next year.

Seems the VHSL is selective as to who the enforce these rules against.

You can’t “recruit” someone that is already at the school. Don’t propose something so preposterous. You come across as foolish.

But wait the private school kids that left and returned to Hayfield it seems to be an issue, as they live in the district (not moved into the district). But all u hear is oh Hayfield had x from private schools. W

No one anywhere has a problem with Herndon zoned kids returning from private school to attend their neighborhood high school.

It soulds like a big part of the problem is all of you Prince William County parents did not take the time to research transfer policies in Fairfax County Public Schools.

Of course no one has a problem with Herndon, the coach is white.

False claims of racism when none exists. It is all these Hayfraud parents have.

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Parents are quoted in writing (the dispatch article) saying they moved to play football with Overton. The video has more. No problem with proof.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this enough to have state AG take over? It is what’s needed.

That’s no smoking gun and I don’t think it’s damning. It shows the AD expected transfers to come in with Overton and he mentioned homeless kids as an example.

If kids had been caught faking homeless, they may have something here, but I don’t thing this shows any violation being committed.

Nonsense. Why do you think Fritts suggested kids would transfer in as homeless and responded with three "laughing enojis" when his friend said "they better actually be homeless" ?

Moreover why---if kids weren't expected to transfer to play football which is a VHsL
Violation---is the conversation which started discussing hiring Overton then about how 10+ kids will be transferring from ither schools and some pretending to be homeless?

Reading this, I took it like Overton was truly sought after, ok fine, I believe they already had in their minds just like anywhere else with Overton coming in “some” kids would follow, and in my head the mention of 10 starters comment was basically a subtle shot at the players already there not being good enough and that with new coach comes better players.

This doesn't happen, actually. Kids don't jump from public HS to public HS following "their" coach around.

Stop it, please stop lying about a known epidemic, this one is only where it’s at based on the number of transfers not transfer in general

No one is lying. My kid's large FCPS HS got a new head football coach this year and no kids "followed him". "Better players" do not come with new coaches at public high schools, except apparently in shady places like PWC.

You’re definitely fabricating this, but ok for convenience sakes I’ll believe you

Nope!
Public school coaches show up for and coach the kids who already attend that school. They don't bring a three ring circus to work with them.

The fact that you don't understand this is...puzzling.

The fact that i KNOW this to be a lie because I personally hv coached at 3diff FCPS schools and hv witnessed things know other coaches who hv tried things. i dont feel the need to have to prove anything just know i know different. May not be every school and thats simply because the school isn’t good enuf in that sport to even want to transfer to.

Assuming we take you at your word, have you ever seen 18 transfers at once? (And at some point you have to back it up w/some details)

Most I’ve ever known/seen was 5 maybe 6 most, I’ve also heard about coaches using the homeless rule when kids couldn’t provide a family address. I’ve heard and seen coaches take kids home after practice for the entire year or pay for them catch busses

Ok, 5-6 is a lot, but 18 blows the doors off that. And, it would good if you gave a team name/year, so the Internet detectives can get to work.

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Question, and hopefully the answer comes with unbiased feedback which after all these pages is probably nonexistent. In all of this I have seen people praise the coach and people take shots at the coach, but not one time other than being the coach that was hired, has anyone come out and said the coach asked or influenced them to come. If “influence” means he can’t take another job because the kids wish or parents wish to follow is not fair to him is it? The alleged text that’s out only say the principal wants the coach and haha rumor is kids may come with him, but from outside I’m trying to figure out why the hate towards him.

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Anonymous wrote:Fcps is claiming they didn't know anything about the texts until the coaches meeting last week, and they have been "researching" them ever since...

Said another way, Reid and School Board knew ALL of this when they were putting out their pro-Hayfield propaganda letters last week and granting a club-med out of country exit with all benefits and pension in tact to AD.

After all their screw ups with actual education, is football going to be what brings down this superintendent and school board?

You're in a bubble if you think that everyone really cares about this. Half of the school system has students in grades K-6. This just isn't on their radar, and they don't care about some football team. Reid is not going down for this. But dream on.

She’s cared enough to tell the whole county twice in a week about. Plus another email. I’ve heard more about this from her than anything other than school safety.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Parents are quoted in writing (the dispatch article) saying they moved to play football with Overton. The video has more. No problem with proof.

If there was said written proof, why wasn’t this ever shown before it got as far with FCPS or VHSL. Someone show the proof it’s case closed, why after the fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Parents are quoted in writing (the dispatch article) saying they moved to play football with Overton. The video has more. No problem with proof.

Did they say it was the only reason, one of the reasons, the tipping factor, or just mention that they came because of Overton?