Private School Lacrosse Thread

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ you are all over the place.

Lax get kids into great school and the best internships. Prep cares.

You think you know, but you don't.

They care, of course, but not anywhere near as much as you think they do or should.

For every Lax player that gets into a top school, there are the parents of several others at the school who were better students that didn't get into that college or university. College Counseling has to face these people and tell them life is unfair.

You predicted Urick will be fired because you are clueless about the priorities of the school and the politics on campus. The school does care about as much as they care about the basketball, baseball or soccer programs. But no more than that. If they did, Giblin would still be the coach.

The point being made is that lax is held in high regard by many top notch academic colleges and that any IAC school would do well to provide a strong lax program to help student athletes get to best possible college. Football is on the wane nationally and does not have the same academic culture. The problem for Prep is that its lax reputation (built from the past) does not match the current reality of on field performance.

The point being missed is that these Lax recruits are a tiny percentage of the graduating class of 125 boys. They are not representative of where the great majority of Prep grads go to college and everyone knows it. In fact, when Prep or any of these schools boast of acceptances at top schools, people discount this for the number of these they believe are athletic recruits.

Football's decline is being way overstated. Over 1 million boys played high school football last fall and the number is up, not down.

A number of factors have lead to the decline of the Prep program. The rise of Gonzaga, a much lower cost Catholic alternative. The appointment of a coach with none of the power Giblin had (The Mater Dei Program and connection and 27 years worth of alums and the connections formed with the Alumni, both players and parents).

Finally the rise of lacrosse across the country is going to decrease the number of kids that are recruited out of DMV schools as colleges can get better athletes in Ohio, Texas and California.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2726124-report-shows-continuing-drop-in-high-school-football-players

While you are correct that a million boys participated in Football, you are incorrect that the number is up.

[Anonymous]

Football participation Down 25k on a base of 1.05 Million.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ you are all over the place.

Lax get kids into great school and the best internships. Prep cares.

You think you know, but you don't.

They care, of course, but not anywhere near as much as you think they do or should.

For every Lax player that gets into a top school, there are the parents of several others at the school who were better students that didn't get into that college or university. College Counseling has to face these people and tell them life is unfair.

You predicted Urick will be fired because you are clueless about the priorities of the school and the politics on campus. The school does care about as much as they care about the basketball, baseball or soccer programs. But no more than that. If they did, Giblin would still be the coach.

The point being made is that lax is held in high regard by many top notch academic colleges and that any IAC school would do well to provide a strong lax program to help student athletes get to best possible college. Football is on the wane nationally and does not have the same academic culture. The problem for Prep is that its lax reputation (built from the past) does not match the current reality of on field performance.

The point being missed is that these Lax recruits are a tiny percentage of the graduating class of 125 boys. They are not representative of where the great majority of Prep grads go to college and everyone knows it. In fact, when Prep or any of these schools boast of acceptances at top schools, people discount this for the number of these they believe are athletic recruits.

Football's decline is being way overstated. Over 1 million boys played high school football last fall and the number is up, not down.

A number of factors have lead to the decline of the Prep program. The rise of Gonzaga, a much lower cost Catholic alternative. The appointment of a coach with none of the power Giblin had (The Mater Dei Program and connection and 27 years worth of alums and the connections formed with the Alumni, both players and parents).

Finally the rise of lacrosse across the country is going to decrease the number of kids that are recruited out of DMV schools as colleges can get better athletes in Ohio, Texas and California.

1. Prep has nearly 100 boys combined playing on Varsity/JV lax (nearly 20% of the student body). One would think the school would want to deliver a strong lax program given it is so popular. Sure not everyone will play in college, but many players are looking at strong academic colleges and a strong lax program helps with their admissions process (see point #2).

2. Unlike football, lacrosse is a GROWING sport with more D1/D3 programs being created. Makes no sense that Prep would discount or walk away from such a strong lax tradition and a source of pride for alums. Football is DECLINING for obvious reasons....most high schools have dropped freshman football programs and many have sparse numbers for JV.

3. The coach issue is not about "power" but having a motivated and talented leader who gets the most out of his players and drives improvement over time. The rise of Gonzaga was due to a superior coach who did just that.

[Anonymous]

Prep is about success across multiple sports (i.e. IAC Founders Cup). In terms of the IAC, football, basketball, and a host of other sports are strong. Lacrosse is not the end all/be all. With that being said, the 2019 team will do better.

[Anonymous]

Visi v Holton today at Stone Ridge 5:30 pm.

Its a milestone moment - first ISL AA final without SSSAS.

[Anonymous]

A number of factors have lead to the decline of the Prep program. The rise of Gonzaga, a much lower cost Catholic alternative. The appointment of a coach with none of the power Giblin had (The Mater Dei Program and connection and 27 years worth of alums and the connections formed with the Alumni, both players and parents).

I am really sick and tired of GP boosters always coming up with an excuse for the decline of their program. You don't think Landon has ever lost a kid or two or three to Bullis or vice versa. Heck I know Landon loses kids, NOVA public school kids to Gonzaga quite frequently.

Coach Urick coached several GP alums at Georgetown under his Father, he knows who the boosters are and which alums to engage with. Georgetown in the late 90's and 2000's when its program was in its prime was the destination for GL lax players.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

A number of factors have lead to the decline of the Prep program. The rise of Gonzaga, a much lower cost Catholic alternative. The appointment of a coach with none of the power Giblin had (The Mater Dei Program and connection and 27 years worth of alums and the connections formed with the Alumni, both players and parents).

I am really sick and tired of GP boosters always coming up with an excuse for the decline of their program. You don't think Landon has ever lost a kid or two or three to Bullis or vice versa. Heck I know Landon loses kids, NOVA public school kids to Gonzaga quite frequently.

Coach Urick coached several GP alums at Georgetown under his Father, he knows who the boosters are and which alums to engage with. Georgetown in the late 90's and 2000's when its program was in its prime was the destination for GL lax players.

There's a huge difference between knowing who the key people are and having their support and affection.

When Giblin went to Prep Admissions to make the case for players he would like to have or tto the AD for additional resources, the Admissions people and the hierarchy knew that he had this significant support from the alumni and parents. Some of these people were alums with clout. Even with this, it was a struggle.

Urick has none of these connections and the GP alums played for GU for Dave Urick are not big fans of the son.

When Scott Urick tries to make his case at Admissions, he's just another coach. Which is just what the AD and the rest of the Prep staff want.

If GP settles into being a middle of the pack IAC team that occasionally beats one of the better WCAC teams, no one is going to get so upset that they force the AD to fire the coach. They are not going to set out on a search for some one who can put the program at the top again.

Urick is there until he decides to leave. Any new coach that comes in is going to face the same stacked deck that Urick faces. The Mater Dei connection is broken and Gonzaga and St. Johns are now viable options for Catholic boys who want to play lacrosse at a high level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Prep is about success across multiple sports (i.e. IAC Founders Cup). In terms of the IAC, football, basketball, and a host of other sports are strong. Lacrosse is not the end all/be all. With that being said, the 2019 team will do better.

Here's someone that actually gets it.

The Administration and the AD aren't interested in a situation where one program takes all the available oxygen from the rest of them. Prep is only going to admit so many boys who are chosen primarily on the basis of athletic potential.

Prep is more like St Alban's in this regard than Bullis. The difference being that Prep has this significant lacrosse history and program that still has momentum.

But that momentum is slowing and the only one's that appear all that upset about it are the Landon or Bullis or Gonzaga fans on here.

[Anonymous]

Prep is more like St Alban's in this regard than Bullis. The difference being that Prep has this significant lacrosse history and program that still has momentum.

But that momentum is slowing and the only one's that appear all that upset about it are the Landon or Bullis or Gonzaga fans on here.

This post is idiotic.... why would anyone from Landon, Bullis or even Gonzaga care about the state of GP lacrosse.

[Anonymous]

Statement

1. Prep has nearly 100 boys combined playing on Varsity/JV lax (nearly 20% of the student body). One would think the school would want to deliver a strong lax program given it is so popular. Sure not everyone will play in college, but many players are looking at strong academic colleges and a strong lax program helps with their admissions process (see point #2).

2. Unlike football, lacrosse is a GROWING sport with more D1/D3 programs being created. Makes no sense that Prep would discount or walk away from such a strong lax tradition and a source of pride for alums. Football is DECLINING for obvious reasons....most high schools have dropped freshman football programs and many have sparse numbers for JV.

3. The coach issue is not about "power" but having a motivated and talented leader who gets the most out of his players and drives improvement over time. The rise of Gonzaga was due to a superior coach who did just that.

Rebuttal

Prep would like a good lacrosse program. But in my opinion, they are willing to do only so much to make that happen.

The Lax team isn't going away. But football always has been a big deal at Prep and as long as Dan Paro is the AD there it will continue to be. The Gonzaga vs. Prep football games draws huge crowds of alums while the lacrosse game between the schools is a minor event.

Any coach will face the same situation at the school.

We'll have to disagree on the level of coaching talent at Gonzaga. With 1000 boys, a very large recruiting area and a much lower sticker price, the school has significant advantages. We'll see what the rise of St John's does to the Gonzaga program. It might be positive with the ST John's vs. Gonzaga game being the top rivalry game in the area.

[Anonymous]

Translation:

1. We tried really hard against Landon, but we only won a few titles.
2. Gonzaga leap frogged GP as the premier Jesuit lacrosse school
3. Bullis?
4. We will tell every one that we aren't REALLY trying

Whatever...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Visi v Holton today at Stone Ridge 5:30 pm.

Its a milestone moment - first ISL AA final without SSSAS.

Definitely a milestone and it should be an exciting game!

[Anonymous]

Anyone know why Annapolis Hawks have become such a dominant club team? They are winning the Ho Co in almost all age groups and in 2nd and 3rd place in the couple of years that aren't on top.

[Anonymous]

Translation:

1. We tried really hard against Landon, but we only won a few titles.
2. Gonzaga leap frogged GP as the premier Jesuit lacrosse school
3. Bullis?
4. We will tell every one that we aren't REALLY trying

hysterical.......

[Anonymous]

LOL @ Prep dads. After that great 2014 season, the program has been declining rapidly. They crow about a 2019 class that hasn't done anything (and is way inferior to Bullis' 2019 class).

Prep did what any impartial observer said they would do this year - win some games, and make the IAC final four. Anyone who thought they would make the championship game is an absolute homer and idiot.