The Rush to Judge Ilhan Omar

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:Here is the interview Omar did with Politico. I am not sure why posters are linking to articles reporting about the interview rather than the interview itself:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/03/08/ilhan-omar-dean-phillips-minnesota-democratic-party-225696

She didn't call Obama a murderer. Once again, folks have a need to "interpret" her words rather than just address what she actually said. Here is the part of the interview in question:

We can’t be only upset with Trump. … His policies are bad, but many of the people who came before him also had really bad policies. They just were more polished than he was,” Omar says. “And that’s not what we should be looking for anymore. We don’t want anybody to get away with murder because they are polished. We want to recognize the actual policies that are behind the pretty face and the smile.

Please note that there were many presidents prior to Trump who were polished and had nice smiles and she clearly says that she is talking about "many of the people who came before" Trump.

You are correct. She didn’t call anyone a murderer. She said Obama and Bush, and others before them, committed murder. That is vastly different.

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Rep. Ilhan Omar has been meeting with Jewish leaders in Minnesota since last year. Her comments are confusing them: “She claimed ig­no­rance... I was think­ing, wait a minute, she can’t claim that, I met with her.”

https://twitter.com/nataliewsj/status/1103818105409757184

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The big question is can anyone criticize or question Israel, it policies or its relations with the US and not be called anti-Semitic? It always seems if there is anything negative said about Israel there is always someone saying it’s anti-semitic.

I don't think it's a question at all. I think it's become quite clear that anything whatsoever that is in any way whatsoever critical of Israel's policies, politics, or relations between the US and Israel will immediately be jumped on as anti-Semitic regardless of whether or not it actually is anti-semitic or not. Bernie Sanders, who himself is a Jew, pointed out that a counterproductive conflation of legitimate policy criticisms into "anti-semitism" has happened.

Opposing the State of Israel is not anti-Semitic. It's anti-Nazi. Opposing the government of the USA is not an opposition to the people of the USA. Positions on the policies of states, and the very questions about the existence of states, are political questions. All political questions are valid for public debate.

It appears that the posts asking if the above poster was equating the State of Israel with Nazi Germany were deleted. Perhaps they were ruled off-topic. Fine. But how does the above post survive then?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Here is the interview Omar did with Politico. I am not sure why posters are linking to articles reporting about the interview rather than the interview itself:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/03/08/ilhan-omar-dean-phillips-minnesota-democratic-party-225696

She didn't call Obama a murderer. Once again, folks have a need to "interpret" her words rather than just address what she actually said. Here is the part of the interview in question:

We can’t be only upset with Trump. … His policies are bad, but many of the people who came before him also had really bad policies. They just were more polished than he was,” Omar says. “And that’s not what we should be looking for anymore. We don’t want anybody to get away with murder because they are polished. We want to recognize the actual policies that are behind the pretty face and the smile.

Please note that there were many presidents prior to Trump who were polished and had nice smiles and she clearly says that she is talking about "many of the people who came before" Trump.

You are correct. She didn’t call anyone a murderer. She said Obama and Bush, and others before them, committed murder. That is vastly different.

Not what she said either. It is telling that Omar's detractors consistently mischaracterize what she said. One would think that if she actually said terrible things, they could be quoted and not have to be misleadingly paraphrased. But as it is, posters like you need to take a bit of "artistic license" in order to create the drama you seek.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Here is the interview Omar did with Politico. I am not sure why posters are linking to articles reporting about the interview rather than the interview itself:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/03/08/ilhan-omar-dean-phillips-minnesota-democratic-party-225696

She didn't call Obama a murderer. Once again, folks have a need to "interpret" her words rather than just address what she actually said. Here is the part of the interview in question:

We can’t be only upset with Trump. … His policies are bad, but many of the people who came before him also had really bad policies. They just were more polished than he was,” Omar says. “And that’s not what we should be looking for anymore. We don’t want anybody to get away with murder because they are polished. We want to recognize the actual policies that are behind the pretty face and the smile.

Please note that there were many presidents prior to Trump who were polished and had nice smiles and she clearly says that she is talking about "many of the people who came before" Trump.

You are correct. She didn’t call anyone a murderer. She said Obama and Bush, and others before them, committed murder. That is vastly different.

Vastly different? Hardly. Anyone who in your own words “committed murder” is defined as a murderer. Pretty simple.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The big question is can anyone criticize or question Israel, it policies or its relations with the US and not be called anti-Semitic? It always seems if there is anything negative said about Israel there is always someone saying it’s anti-semitic.

I don't think it's a question at all. I think it's become quite clear that anything whatsoever that is in any way whatsoever critical of Israel's policies, politics, or relations between the US and Israel will immediately be jumped on as anti-Semitic regardless of whether or not it actually is anti-semitic or not. Bernie Sanders, who himself is a Jew, pointed out that a counterproductive conflation of legitimate policy criticisms into "anti-semitism" has happened.

Opposing the State of Israel is not anti-Semitic. It's anti-Nazi. Opposing the government of the USA is not an opposition to the people of the USA. Positions on the policies of states, and the very questions about the existence of states, are political questions. All political questions are valid for public debate.

It appears that the posts asking if the above poster was equating the State of Israel with Nazi Germany were deleted. Perhaps they were ruled off-topic. Fine. But how does the above post survive then?

It actually appears that your eyes are not what they used to be:

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/375/789616.page#14658744

Also, I have asked at least a million times for posters not to comment about moderation within the thread. We have an entire forum for that purpose. There are now to off-topic posts discussing the deletion of posts that were not deleted.

[Anonymous]

I was laughing at this too.

Anyone who commits murder is generally labeled as a murderer!
I agree with the PP. he owned the poster he quoted.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Here is the interview Omar did with Politico. I am not sure why posters are linking to articles reporting about the interview rather than the interview itself:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/03/08/ilhan-omar-dean-phillips-minnesota-democratic-party-225696

She didn't call Obama a murderer. Once again, folks have a need to "interpret" her words rather than just address what she actually said. Here is the part of the interview in question:

We can’t be only upset with Trump. … His policies are bad, but many of the people who came before him also had really bad policies. They just were more polished than he was,” Omar says. “And that’s not what we should be looking for anymore. We don’t want anybody to get away with murder because they are polished. We want to recognize the actual policies that are behind the pretty face and the smile.

Please note that there were many presidents prior to Trump who were polished and had nice smiles and she clearly says that she is talking about "many of the people who came before" Trump.

You are correct. She didn’t call anyone a murderer. She said Obama and Bush, and others before them, committed murder. That is vastly different.

Not what she said either. It is telling that Omar's detractors consistently mischaracterize what she said. One would think that if she actually said terrible things, they could be quoted and not have to be misleadingly paraphrased. But as it is, posters like you need to take a bit of "artistic license" in order to create the drama you seek.

Mr. Steele - I think you are neglecting to admit that Omar consistently makes her statements just nebulous enough to cause people to interpret the words in different ways. Just as you, as an Omar supporter, find ways to justify her words, people who question her motives find ways to condemn her words.
I don't think this is a mistake on Omar's part. It's very intentional.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Here is the interview Omar did with Politico. I am not sure why posters are linking to articles reporting about the interview rather than the interview itself:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/03/08/ilhan-omar-dean-phillips-minnesota-democratic-party-225696

She didn't call Obama a murderer. Once again, folks have a need to "interpret" her words rather than just address what she actually said. Here is the part of the interview in question:

We can’t be only upset with Trump. … His policies are bad, but many of the people who came before him also had really bad policies. They just were more polished than he was,” Omar says. “And that’s not what we should be looking for anymore. We don’t want anybody to get away with murder because they are polished. We want to recognize the actual policies that are behind the pretty face and the smile.

Please note that there were many presidents prior to Trump who were polished and had nice smiles and she clearly says that she is talking about "many of the people who came before" Trump.

You are correct. She didn’t call anyone a murderer. She said Obama and Bush, and others before them, committed murder. That is vastly different.

Vastly different? Hardly. Anyone who in your own words “committed murder” is defined as a murderer. Pretty simple.

That poster was being ironic and also mischaracterizing what Omar said.

Omar is not accusing anyone of murder. If she were, she would be asking for them to be charged given that murder is a crime. Her statement, "We don’t want anybody to get away with murder because they are polished." is theoretical. Is there anyone here who favors people getting away with murder because they are polished?

[Anonymous]

Why did she even open her mouth about this stupid subject. Maybe she should focus on the issues. Look at what she has brought to the table. Discussions of murder and anti-semitism.

No discussion about economy, Trump, etc

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Here is the interview Omar did with Politico. I am not sure why posters are linking to articles reporting about the interview rather than the interview itself:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/03/08/ilhan-omar-dean-phillips-minnesota-democratic-party-225696

She didn't call Obama a murderer. Once again, folks have a need to "interpret" her words rather than just address what she actually said. Here is the part of the interview in question:

We can’t be only upset with Trump. … His policies are bad, but many of the people who came before him also had really bad policies. They just were more polished than he was,” Omar says. “And that’s not what we should be looking for anymore. We don’t want anybody to get away with murder because they are polished. We want to recognize the actual policies that are behind the pretty face and the smile.

Please note that there were many presidents prior to Trump who were polished and had nice smiles and she clearly says that she is talking about "many of the people who came before" Trump.

You are correct. She didn’t call anyone a murderer. She said Obama and Bush, and others before them, committed murder. That is vastly different.

Not what she said either. It is telling that Omar's detractors consistently mischaracterize what she said. One would think that if she actually said terrible things, they could be quoted and not have to be misleadingly paraphrased. But as it is, posters like you need to take a bit of "artistic license" in order to create the drama you seek.

Mr. Steele - I think you are neglecting to admit that Omar consistently makes her statements just nebulous enough to cause people to interpret the words in different ways. Just as you, as an Omar supporter, find ways to justify her words, people who question her motives find ways to condemn her words.
I don't think this is a mistake on Omar's part. It's very intentional.

I actually think the opposite. I think the Omar speaks very directly. We are not used to that from our politicians. If a normal politician says something, we are used to translating it for the "real meaning". More importantly, there are so many people who have decided that Omar is terrible, that they automatically search for the worst way to twist her words. People should just stick to what she actually said.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Here is the interview Omar did with Politico. I am not sure why posters are linking to articles reporting about the interview rather than the interview itself:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/03/08/ilhan-omar-dean-phillips-minnesota-democratic-party-225696

She didn't call Obama a murderer. Once again, folks have a need to "interpret" her words rather than just address what she actually said. Here is the part of the interview in question:

We can’t be only upset with Trump. … His policies are bad, but many of the people who came before him also had really bad policies. They just were more polished than he was,” Omar says. “And that’s not what we should be looking for anymore. We don’t want anybody to get away with murder because they are polished. We want to recognize the actual policies that are behind the pretty face and the smile.

Please note that there were many presidents prior to Trump who were polished and had nice smiles and she clearly says that she is talking about "many of the people who came before" Trump.

You are correct. She didn’t call anyone a murderer. She said Obama and Bush, and others before them, committed murder. That is vastly different.

Not what she said either. It is telling that Omar's detractors consistently mischaracterize what she said. One would think that if she actually said terrible things, they could be quoted and not have to be misleadingly paraphrased. But as it is, posters like you need to take a bit of "artistic license" in order to create the drama you seek.

Mr. Steele - I think you are neglecting to admit that Omar consistently makes her statements just nebulous enough to cause people to interpret the words in different ways. Just as you, as an Omar supporter, find ways to justify her words, people who question her motives find ways to condemn her words.
I don't think this is a mistake on Omar's part. It's very intentional.

I actually think the opposite. I think the Omar speaks very directly. We are not used to that from our politicians. If a normal politician says something, we are used to translating it for the "real meaning". More importantly, there are so many people who have decided that Omar is terrible, that they automatically search for the worst way to twist her words. People should just stick to what she actually said.

As Ronald Reagan said, "If you are explaining, you're losing." She has had to explain a lot of comments recently. Of course, she never does it when the media asks....she has already tweeted a clarification for her most recent comment.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Why did she even open her mouth about this stupid subject. Maybe she should focus on the issues. Look at what she has brought to the table. Discussions of murder and anti-semitism.

No discussion about economy, Trump, etc

The full interview in Politico includes this:

“I don’t believe that tiptoeing is the way to win the hearts and the minds of the people,” she says. “I get saddened by some of my freshman colleagues who can’t understand that within their districts the idea of Medicare for All is extremely popular. The Green New Deal is a very popular idea in their districts. Making sure that we have a final fix to our broken immigration system is very popular in their districts. What they pay attention to is the rhetoric that says, ‘This is a red-to-blue district, you have to be careful, you can’t talk about these policies.’ Well, in reality, these people are like everyone else: They struggle with the cost of health care, they struggle with our broken infrastructure, they struggle with having an economy that brings them into the 21st century. And we have to be willing to have those conversations.”

But, you didn't know about that part because you get your news from Fox.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Here is the interview Omar did with Politico. I am not sure why posters are linking to articles reporting about the interview rather than the interview itself:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/03/08/ilhan-omar-dean-phillips-minnesota-democratic-party-225696

She didn't call Obama a murderer. Once again, folks have a need to "interpret" her words rather than just address what she actually said. Here is the part of the interview in question:

We can’t be only upset with Trump. … His policies are bad, but many of the people who came before him also had really bad policies. They just were more polished than he was,” Omar says. “And that’s not what we should be looking for anymore. We don’t want anybody to get away with murder because they are polished. We want to recognize the actual policies that are behind the pretty face and the smile.

Please note that there were many presidents prior to Trump who were polished and had nice smiles and she clearly says that she is talking about "many of the people who came before" Trump.

You are correct. She didn’t call anyone a murderer. She said Obama and Bush, and others before them, committed murder. That is vastly different.

Not what she said either. It is telling that Omar's detractors consistently mischaracterize what she said. One would think that if she actually said terrible things, they could be quoted and not have to be misleadingly paraphrased. But as it is, posters like you need to take a bit of "artistic license" in order to create the drama you seek.

I did not mischaracterize it. That's what you accuse people of doing if they don't use her exact words, but words that mean the same exact thing. So here's the quote:

“We can’t be only upset with Trump. … His policies are bad, but many of the people who came before him also had really bad policies. They just were more polished than he was,” Omar says. “And that’s not what we should be looking for anymore. We don’t want anybody to get away with murder because they are polished. We want to recognize the actual policies that are behind the pretty face and the smile.”

Are you trying to claim that she didn't say that presidents before Trump murdered?

[Anonymous]

And now she has tweeted a sound clip from the Politico interview, claiming that the reporter distorted her words. Funny thing is, when you listen to the recording, which she must assume many won't (and they won't), she said the very thing that the reporter said she did. It seems Pelosi was right when she said that Omar doesn't really understand words. Wait for Obama to be apologizing to her next week.

"Exhibit A of how reporters distort words. I’m an Obama fan! I was saying how Trump is different from Obama, and why we should focus on policy not politics.
This is why I always tape my interviews. ? https://soundcloud.com/ilhanomar/obama2 …"