Baby stealing approved in South Carolina!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine if the Capobiancos stopped fighting for Veronica, and she grew up realizing that her biological mom, her biological dad, and her adoptive parents ALL did not want her? I understand the bio dad changed his mind, but you can't just change your mind when it comes to deciding when to be a parent. Sorry. It doesn't work like that. A lot of people love her now, but I'm glad that she'll grow up knowing that two people ALWAYS wanted her. +1 Capobianco family. I hope that they'll allow whoever wants to see Veronica and be open, but this was the right move.

He never knowingly consented to the adoption.
She is her bio father, she has been with him the longest.
This a horrible black eye for legitimate adoptions.

Doesn't matter. He signed away his parental rights. What do you think that means? It means he deliberately and willingly opted out of being a decision-maker in his biological daughter's life. He chose it. Sure he changed his mind, but he made those decisions himself. Stop making excuses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine if the Capobiancos stopped fighting for Veronica, and she grew up realizing that her biological mom, her biological dad, and her adoptive parents ALL did not want her? I understand the bio dad changed his mind, but you can't just change your mind when it comes to deciding when to be a parent. Sorry. It doesn't work like that. A lot of people love her now, but I'm glad that she'll grow up knowing that two people ALWAYS wanted her. +1 Capobianco family. I hope that they'll allow whoever wants to see Veronica and be open, but this was the right move.

He never knowingly consented to the adoption.
She is her bio father, she has been with him the longest.
This a horrible black eye for legitimate adoptions.

Doesn't matter. He signed away his parental rights. What do you think that means? It means he deliberately and willingly opted out of being a decision-maker in his biological daughter's life. He chose it. Sure he changed his mind, but he made those decisions himself. Stop making excuses.

You cannot sign your rights away in less there is an adoption. The paperwork they had him sign was basically fraudulent. Mom made it clear he was not welcome in his daughters life and he was active duty and basically thought he was consenting to something very different which is typical in military parenting pre-deployment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine if the Capobiancos stopped fighting for Veronica, and she grew up realizing that her biological mom, her biological dad, and her adoptive parents ALL did not want her? I understand the bio dad changed his mind, but you can't just change your mind when it comes to deciding when to be a parent. Sorry. It doesn't work like that. A lot of people love her now, but I'm glad that she'll grow up knowing that two people ALWAYS wanted her. +1 Capobianco family. I hope that they'll allow whoever wants to see Veronica and be open, but this was the right move.

Her father, stepmother and paternal grandparents all wanted her. Why on earth would they spend all the time and money, including dad risking his military career if he did not want her. The adoption system is corrupt. They had more money and won. This win is not something to be proud of. That little girl will hate them for what they have done to her. How they handled this adoption was unethical.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine if the Capobiancos stopped fighting for Veronica, and she grew up realizing that her biological mom, her biological dad, and her adoptive parents ALL did not want her? I understand the bio dad changed his mind, but you can't just change your mind when it comes to deciding when to be a parent. Sorry. It doesn't work like that. A lot of people love her now, but I'm glad that she'll grow up knowing that two people ALWAYS wanted her. +1 Capobianco family. I hope that they'll allow whoever wants to see Veronica and be open, but this was the right move.

He never knowingly consented to the adoption.
She is her bio father, she has been with him the longest.
This a horrible black eye for legitimate adoptions.

Doesn't matter. He signed away his parental rights. What do you think that means? It means he deliberately and willingly opted out of being a decision-maker in his biological daughter's life. He chose it. Sure he changed his mind, but he made those decisions himself. Stop making excuses.

You cannot sign your rights away in less there is an adoption. The paperwork they had him sign was basically fraudulent. Mom made it clear he was not welcome in his daughters life and he was active duty and basically thought he was consenting to something very different which is typical in military parenting pre-deployment.

You're spouting nonsense now. Nobody made the bio dad sign anything, and it's his responsibility and his responsibility alone to make his own decisions. I've heard the deployment argument, and it is, frankly, utter horseshit. Mr. Brown signed away parental rights. It means he doesn't get to make any decisions at all anymore. He chose it, willingly. I understand he changed his mind, but that doesn't negate his prior choices. You can't suddenly decide when you want to be a parent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine if the Capobiancos stopped fighting for Veronica, and she grew up realizing that her biological mom, her biological dad, and her adoptive parents ALL did not want her? I understand the bio dad changed his mind, but you can't just change your mind when it comes to deciding when to be a parent. Sorry. It doesn't work like that. A lot of people love her now, but I'm glad that she'll grow up knowing that two people ALWAYS wanted her. +1 Capobianco family. I hope that they'll allow whoever wants to see Veronica and be open, but this was the right move.

Her father, stepmother and paternal grandparents all wanted her. Why on earth would they spend all the time and money, including dad risking his military career if he did not want her. The adoption system is corrupt. They had more money and won. This win is not something to be proud of. That little girl will hate them for what they have done to her. How they handled this adoption was unethical.

PP, you really sound like you have unresolved personal issues. Why don't you tell us more? Do you have your own personal regrets?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But if the father had wanted the child, why didn't he keep her at the start? He relinquished her and the baby was up for adoption. It just happened to be the Capobiancos. If I had adopted her and loved her from birth to age 2, you bet I would fight for her with my last breath.

He started trying to get her since SHE Was AN INFANT.
The family fought him and dragged it out, that is why she was with th for do long.
I cannot imagine.
There was another similar case, man did not even know about the kid.
Adoptive family lost to him and they gave up the fight .
You can't STEAL other people's kids.

Actually you can legally steal other people's kids. This happens more often than people realize. Dad was just lucky to have the Indian status to fight this. Otherwise, he would have been out of luck. People buy kids every day, both here and internationally. There are no universal state or federal laws so the few laws in place are rarely followed and those like the Capobianos find easy ways to adopt, regardless of the ethics. They don't care about ethics and doing the right thing.

[Anonymous]

Deadbeat or not he is her father. THIS CHIlLD DOESN'T NEED AN ADOPTIVE FAMILY. She has a biological family willing to raise her. Period, end of story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Deadbeat or not he is her father. THIS CHIlLD DOESN'T NEED AN ADOPTIVE FAMILY. She has a biological family willing to raise her. Period, end of story.

You can't change your mind when it comes to being a parent. Biological or adoptive, it doesn't matter - both are capable of being shitty (and I think wavering on when you want to be involved is pretty damn shitty). What matters is the specifics on a case by case situation. Period. End of story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine if the Capobiancos stopped fighting for Veronica, and she grew up realizing that her biological mom, her biological dad, and her adoptive parents ALL did not want her? I understand the bio dad changed his mind, but you can't just change your mind when it comes to deciding when to be a parent. Sorry. It doesn't work like that. A lot of people love her now, but I'm glad that she'll grow up knowing that two people ALWAYS wanted her. +1 Capobianco family. I hope that they'll allow whoever wants to see Veronica and be open, but this was the right move.

Her father, stepmother and paternal grandparents all wanted her. Why on earth would they spend all the time and money, including dad risking his military career if he did not want her. The adoption system is corrupt. They had more money and won. This win is not something to be proud of. That little girl will hate them for what they have done to her. How they handled this adoption was unethical.

PP, you really sound like you have unresolved personal issues. Why don't you tell us more? Do you have your own personal regrets?

+1 i think they have something going on in their personal life and they're taking it out on the capobiancos unfairly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Deadbeat or not he is her father. THIS CHIlLD DOESN'T NEED AN ADOPTIVE FAMILY. She has a biological family willing to raise her. Period, end of story.

Adoption isn't about finding families for children but children for families. Her needs are irrelevant.

Such a sad outcome, and coming right after that Reuters article too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Deadbeat or not he is her father. THIS CHIlLD DOESN'T NEED AN ADOPTIVE FAMILY. She has a biological family willing to raise her. Period, end of story.

You can't change your mind when it comes to being a parent. Biological or adoptive, it doesn't matter - both are capable of being shitty (and I think wavering on when you want to be involved is pretty damn shitty). What matters is the specifics on a case by case situation. Period. End of story.

Birth mothers change their minds. Parents of kids in foster Care get their kids back after being strung out on crack for a few yrs. The point is she HAS a family. There are hundreds of thousands of children around the world available for adoption. The C's should adopt one of them. And even if he did knowingly sign away his rights she still has a huge extended biological family who want to raise her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Deadbeat or not he is her father. THIS CHIlLD DOESN'T NEED AN ADOPTIVE FAMILY. She has a biological family willing to raise her. Period, end of story.

You can't change your mind when it comes to being a parent. Biological or adoptive, it doesn't matter - both are capable of being shitty (and I think wavering on when you want to be involved is pretty damn shitty). What matters is the specifics on a case by case situation. Period. End of story.

Birth mothers change their minds. Parents of kids in foster Care get their kids back after being strung out on crack for a few yrs. The point is she HAS a family. There are hundreds of thousands of children around the world available for adoption. The C's should adopt one of them. And even if he did knowingly sign away his rights she still has a huge extended biological family who want to raise her.

You're projecting something. I'm determined to get to the bottom of it. Can you tell us more about why you feel so personally connected to this case?

[Anonymous]

I have only posted twice in the last 5 minutes. Different poster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Deadbeat or not he is her father. THIS CHIlLD DOESN'T NEED AN ADOPTIVE FAMILY. She has a biological family willing to raise her. Period, end of story.

You can't change your mind when it comes to being a parent. Biological or adoptive, it doesn't matter - both are capable of being shitty (and I think wavering on when you want to be involved is pretty damn shitty). What matters is the specifics on a case by case situation. Period. End of story.

Birth mothers change their minds. Parents of kids in foster Care get their kids back after being strung out on crack for a few yrs. The point is she HAS a family. There are hundreds of thousands of children around the world available for adoption. The C's should adopt one of them. And even if he did knowingly sign away his rights she still has a huge extended biological family who want to raise her.

NP (okay, I've posted before on this thread, but not lately): In Oklahoma, mothers and fathers have 30 days to change their mind about adoption. It's a big step, and you're allowed to say yes and then take it back. In South Carolina, where the Capobiancos live but not where the birth mother, birth father, or where Baby Veronica was born, fathers don't get any time period for any say at all.

So you can say that "you can't change your mind," but really it depends on how good you are at forum-shopping. Which the Capobiancos are good at.

[Anonymous]

Np here. Clearly those who had the means won out. The biggest loser is the girl, who is going to resent her adoptive parents when she is old enough to understand the truth. The fake parents and their supporters should be ashamed.