Baby stealing approved in South Carolina!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They need to improve adoption laws as far as making sure fathers are contacted. There have been quite a few cases of fathers having to rescue their kids from adoption.

There are other kids out here in desperate need of a home. Why don't the adoptive parents go find one of those kids.

IMHO, men need to make sure that they don't leave semen laying around in women they are not married to.
They need to wrap it up if they don't want to make a baby.
They need to wrap it up if they don't believe in abortion.

Or here's an idea, how about these poor victimized me be ABSTINENT if they are not married and not ready to deal with the consequences of pregnancy?

If they DO want to be a father, "put a ring on it".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Happy V is home with my friends. Matt and Mel never had any doubts about the responsibilities of parenthood, unlike Brown.

Agreed. At least the Capobiancos are not flip-floppers when it comes to deciding they want to be hands on.

He had no options. Its not like dad's get automatic custody when kids are born. He was active duty and about to be deployed. They are required to sign consents for custody before deploying. Its normal. My husband did it for us as he had to show proof.

Yes, he had plenty of options, and he could have been actively involved in the pregnancy. I understand that Dusten Brown has regrets, and wishes he did things differently. That's fair and it's easy to be sympathetic. But he made willful decisions, and though he regrets them now, is NO reason to put anyone else through trials and pains because of HIS decisions. Regret is one thing. Blaming others for your personal regrets is something else entirely.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She belongs with her bio-Dad. I don't see how the adoptive family can even sleep at night knowing this child is wanted by her family of origin and yet still wanting to keep her, as if she's a pet and not a human.

Agreed. Adoption should not be about taking children from parents willing to raise their children. This entire case is a disgrace. At the very least, the biological Dad should be allowed 50/50 custody of the child.

Adoption should not be about taking children from parents who are willing to raise them. He indicated that he was NOT interested in raising the child. READ his testimony.

Once you give up your parental rights - within whatever time of revocation the law allows - you are DONE. You should never, under any circumstances, be able to undo it. It is completely unfair to the child and the people adopting her.
Once you adopt a child they become YOUR child. They become a family member. You don't get an "oops wait a minute" when you give up your baby for adoption. And you don't get an "oops wait a minute" pass when you tell your pregnant ex GF that you will not raise the child.

He signed the papers. I don't want to hear that he didn't know what he was signing, or he wasn't in the right state of mind, or whatever other lame excuses he wants to make. He made a decision, he abdicated his responsibility, the courts made the right decision. I am only sorry the child, the adoptive parents, and the bio mom had to suffer so much as a result of his selfish, idiotic behavior.

They didn't actually adopt her till recently. It isn't as simple as you make it sound. He did not sign adoption paperwork. He did not consent to adoption. He consented to the mother having full custody, something he had to do for the military. She did not want him involved with pregnancy or marrying him like he offered. He filed quickly and he was given custody and the family refused to return the child holding her illegally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She belongs with her bio-Dad. I don't see how the adoptive family can even sleep at night knowing this child is wanted by her family of origin and yet still wanting to keep her, as if she's a pet and not a human.

Agreed. Adoption should not be about taking children from parents willing to raise their children. This entire case is a disgrace. At the very least, the biological Dad should be allowed 50/50 custody of the child.

Adoption should not be about taking children from parents who are willing to raise them. He indicated that he was NOT interested in raising the child. READ his testimony.

Once you give up your parental rights - within whatever time of revocation the law allows - you are DONE. You should never, under any circumstances, be able to undo it. It is completely unfair to the child and the people adopting her.
Once you adopt a child they become YOUR child. They become a family member. You don't get an "oops wait a minute" when you give up your baby for adoption. And you don't get an "oops wait a minute" pass when you tell your pregnant ex GF that you will not raise the child.

He signed the papers. I don't want to hear that he didn't know what he was signing, or he wasn't in the right state of mind, or whatever other lame excuses he wants to make. He made a decision, he abdicated his responsibility, the courts made the right decision. I am only sorry the child, the adoptive parents, and the bio mom had to suffer so much as a result of his selfish, idiotic behavior.

They didn't actually adopt her till recently. It isn't as simple as you make it sound. He did not sign adoption paperwork. He did not consent to adoption. He consented to the mother having full custody, something he had to do for the military. She did not want him involved with pregnancy or marrying him like he offered. He filed quickly and he was given custody and the family refused to return the child holding her illegally.

Wrong. Mr. Brown consented to making the biological mother having full responsibility, rights, and decision-making capabilities - which includes giving the child up for adoption. I understand he regrets that now, but it's his own fault.

And sorry, but saying "marry me or I'm staying out" is basically a threat, and extremely manipulative. What a shitty thing to say to any person, any woman, or any pregnant woman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Happy V is home with my friends. Matt and Mel never had any doubts about the responsibilities of parenthood, unlike Brown.

Agreed. At least the Capobiancos are not flip-floppers when it comes to deciding they want to be hands on.

He had no options. Its not like dad's get automatic custody when kids are born. He was active duty and about to be deployed. They are required to sign consents for custody before deploying. Its normal. My husband did it for us as he had to show proof.

Yes, he had plenty of options, and he could have been actively involved in the pregnancy. I understand that Dusten Brown has regrets, and wishes he did things differently. That's fair and it's easy to be sympathetic. But he made willful decisions, and though he regrets them now, is NO reason to put anyone else through trials and pains because of HIS decisions. Regret is one thing. Blaming others for your personal regrets is something else entirely.

He tried to be active in the pregnancy and the birthmother refused, probably knowing she needed to in order to place for adoption. You cannot force a mother to allow the father to be involved in the pregnancy. Except for medical and possibly food, the mother will not incur any additional costs that she should require financial support (in less on bed rest or high risk pregnancy). Obviously you nor friends/family have not been in a nasty divorce situation as a dad who has no rights as he is dad and not mom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She belongs with her bio-Dad. I don't see how the adoptive family can even sleep at night knowing this child is wanted by her family of origin and yet still wanting to keep her, as if she's a pet and not a human.

Agreed. Adoption should not be about taking children from parents willing to raise their children. This entire case is a disgrace. At the very least, the biological Dad should be allowed 50/50 custody of the child.

Adoption should not be about taking children from parents who are willing to raise them. He indicated that he was NOT interested in raising the child. READ his testimony.

Once you give up your parental rights - within whatever time of revocation the law allows - you are DONE. You should never, under any circumstances, be able to undo it. It is completely unfair to the child and the people adopting her.
Once you adopt a child they become YOUR child. They become a family member. You don't get an "oops wait a minute" when you give up your baby for adoption. And you don't get an "oops wait a minute" pass when you tell your pregnant ex GF that you will not raise the child.

He signed the papers. I don't want to hear that he didn't know what he was signing, or he wasn't in the right state of mind, or whatever other lame excuses he wants to make. He made a decision, he abdicated his responsibility, the courts made the right decision. I am only sorry the child, the adoptive parents, and the bio mom had to suffer so much as a result of his selfish, idiotic behavior.

They didn't actually adopt her till recently. It isn't as simple as you make it sound. He did not sign adoption paperwork. He did not consent to adoption. He consented to the mother having full custody, something he had to do for the military. She did not want him involved with pregnancy or marrying him like he offered. He filed quickly and he was given custody and the family refused to return the child holding her illegally.

This pp has the facts straight

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Happy V is home with my friends. Matt and Mel never had any doubts about the responsibilities of parenthood, unlike Brown.

Agreed. At least the Capobiancos are not flip-floppers when it comes to deciding they want to be hands on.

He had no options. Its not like dad's get automatic custody when kids are born. He was active duty and about to be deployed. They are required to sign consents for custody before deploying. Its normal. My husband did it for us as he had to show proof.

Yes, he had plenty of options, and he could have been actively involved in the pregnancy. I understand that Dusten Brown has regrets, and wishes he did things differently. That's fair and it's easy to be sympathetic. But he made willful decisions, and though he regrets them now, is NO reason to put anyone else through trials and pains because of HIS decisions. Regret is one thing. Blaming others for your personal regrets is something else entirely.

He tried to be active in the pregnancy and the birthmother refused, probably knowing she needed to in order to place for adoption. You cannot force a mother to allow the father to be involved in the pregnancy. Except for medical and possibly food, the mother will not incur any additional costs that she should require financial support (in less on bed rest or high risk pregnancy). Obviously you nor friends/family have not been in a nasty divorce situation as a dad who has no rights as he is dad and not mom.

Wrong. Saying "marry me or I'm taking a backseat" is not being "active" in a pregnancy. It's extremely manipulative.

I was raised by a single dad. I have a lot of sympathy for them, but this is case of an asshole and idiot blaming everyone but himself. This is not a case of "father's rights," even though there may be legitimate other cases out there. But this isn't one of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She belongs with her bio-Dad. I don't see how the adoptive family can even sleep at night knowing this child is wanted by her family of origin and yet still wanting to keep her, as if she's a pet and not a human.

Agreed. Adoption should not be about taking children from parents willing to raise their children. This entire case is a disgrace. At the very least, the biological Dad should be allowed 50/50 custody of the child.

Adoption should not be about taking children from parents who are willing to raise them. He indicated that he was NOT interested in raising the child. READ his testimony.

Once you give up your parental rights - within whatever time of revocation the law allows - you are DONE. You should never, under any circumstances, be able to undo it. It is completely unfair to the child and the people adopting her.
Once you adopt a child they become YOUR child. They become a family member. You don't get an "oops wait a minute" when you give up your baby for adoption. And you don't get an "oops wait a minute" pass when you tell your pregnant ex GF that you will not raise the child.

He signed the papers. I don't want to hear that he didn't know what he was signing, or he wasn't in the right state of mind, or whatever other lame excuses he wants to make. He made a decision, he abdicated his responsibility, the courts made the right decision. I am only sorry the child, the adoptive parents, and the bio mom had to suffer so much as a result of his selfish, idiotic behavior.

They didn't actually adopt her till recently. It isn't as simple as you make it sound. He did not sign adoption paperwork. He did not consent to adoption. He consented to the mother having full custody, something he had to do for the military. She did not want him involved with pregnancy or marrying him like he offered. He filed quickly and he was given custody and the family refused to return the child holding her illegally.

Wrong. Mr. Brown consented to making the biological mother having full responsibility, rights, and decision-making capabilities - which includes giving the child up for adoption. I understand he regrets that now, but it's his own fault.

And sorry, but saying "marry me or I'm staying out" is basically a threat, and extremely manipulative. What a shitty thing to say to any person, any woman, or any pregnant woman.

YOU ARE WRONG. For a legal and ethical adoption, both birthparents should be provided with attorney's and both should consent in writing. It is different to consent to custody and adoption. For a true ethical adoption, it requires full informed consent and a revocation period. Several states have poor adoption laws that allow this type of corruption. The attorney, agency and family moves the birthmother to one of these states to get around states with good and ethical laws to do a quick and easy adoption. What they did was horrible, corrupt, immoral and they are going to ruin this poor child. In some states, best practice is for both parents to consent to adoption in court. That is the only true way to do it where no one can claim they did not understand. For our adoption, each birthparent had their own attorney who reviewed all the documentation (separate from our attorney) and it had to be approved by the court for us to get guardianship for health insurance and other reasons. They knew the laws, like many families adopting learn and used them against this guy. Custody and adoption are two different issues. They lied to him.

[Anonymous]

Wrong. Saying "marry me or I'm taking a backseat" is not being "active" in a pregnancy. It's extremely manipulative.

I was raised by a single dad. I have a lot of sympathy for them, but this is case of an asshole and idiot blaming everyone but himself. This is not a case of "father's rights," even though there may be legitimate other cases out there. But this isn't one of them.

If she didn't want him involved, what is he supposed to do? This happens to many people. The one parent does not want the other parent involved, comes up with all kinds of excuses and then the other parent, like Dustin, has to take it to court, which takes years and by then they get ruled against claiming they haven't been an active parent when they have not been allowed. If the adoptive family returned the child immediately as they should have, then he would have had the opportunity to have parented his very young infant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She belongs with her bio-Dad. I don't see how the adoptive family can even sleep at night knowing this child is wanted by her family of origin and yet still wanting to keep her, as if she's a pet and not a human.

Agreed. Adoption should not be about taking children from parents willing to raise their children. This entire case is a disgrace. At the very least, the biological Dad should be allowed 50/50 custody of the child.

Adoption should not be about taking children from parents who are willing to raise them. He indicated that he was NOT interested in raising the child. READ his testimony.

Once you give up your parental rights - within whatever time of revocation the law allows - you are DONE. You should never, under any circumstances, be able to undo it. It is completely unfair to the child and the people adopting her.
Once you adopt a child they become YOUR child. They become a family member. You don't get an "oops wait a minute" when you give up your baby for adoption. And you don't get an "oops wait a minute" pass when you tell your pregnant ex GF that you will not raise the child.

He signed the papers. I don't want to hear that he didn't know what he was signing, or he wasn't in the right state of mind, or whatever other lame excuses he wants to make. He made a decision, he abdicated his responsibility, the courts made the right decision. I am only sorry the child, the adoptive parents, and the bio mom had to suffer so much as a result of his selfish, idiotic behavior.

They didn't actually adopt her till recently. It isn't as simple as you make it sound. He did not sign adoption paperwork. He did not consent to adoption. He consented to the mother having full custody, something he had to do for the military. She did not want him involved with pregnancy or marrying him like he offered. He filed quickly and he was given custody and the family refused to return the child holding her illegally.

Wrong. Mr. Brown consented to making the biological mother having full responsibility, rights, and decision-making capabilities - which includes giving the child up for adoption. I understand he regrets that now, but it's his own fault.

And sorry, but saying "marry me or I'm staying out" is basically a threat, and extremely manipulative. What a shitty thing to say to any person, any woman, or any pregnant woman.

YOU ARE WRONG. For a legal and ethical adoption, both birthparents should be provided with attorney's and both should consent in writing. It is different to consent to custody and adoption. For a true ethical adoption, it requires full informed consent and a revocation period. Several states have poor adoption laws that allow this type of corruption. The attorney, agency and family moves the birthmother to one of these states to get around states with good and ethical laws to do a quick and easy adoption. What they did was horrible, corrupt, immoral and they are going to ruin this poor child. In some states, best practice is for both parents to consent to adoption in court. That is the only true way to do it where no one can claim they did not understand. For our adoption, each birthparent had their own attorney who reviewed all the documentation (separate from our attorney) and it had to be approved by the court for us to get guardianship for health insurance and other reasons. They knew the laws, like many families adopting learn and used them against this guy. Custody and adoption are two different issues. They lied to him.

If you're going to approach this from your own personal emotional standpoint, there's really no point, because "feelings" are not an objective grounds for such analysis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to improve adoption laws as far as making sure fathers are contacted. There have been quite a few cases of fathers having to rescue their kids from adoption.

There are other kids out here in desperate need of a home. Why don't the adoptive parents go find one of those kids.

IMHO, men need to make sure that they don't leave semen laying around in women they are not married to.
They need to wrap it up if they don't want to make a baby.
They need to wrap it up if they don't believe in abortion.

Or here's an idea, how about these poor victimized me be ABSTINENT if they are not married and not ready to deal with the consequences of pregnancy?

If they DO want to be a father, "put a ring on it".

I believe in abstinence as well, but it is not a matter of 'put a ring on it' -- if women are not being raped, they are as responsible for birth control and the ensuing parental responsibilities as well as women.
How bassackwards can you be?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Wrong. Saying "marry me or I'm taking a backseat" is not being "active" in a pregnancy. It's extremely manipulative.

I was raised by a single dad. I have a lot of sympathy for them, but this is case of an asshole and idiot blaming everyone but himself. This is not a case of "father's rights," even though there may be legitimate other cases out there. But this isn't one of them.

If she didn't want him involved, what is he supposed to do? This happens to many people. The one parent does not want the other parent involved, comes up with all kinds of excuses and then the other parent, like Dustin, has to take it to court, which takes years and by then they get ruled against claiming they haven't been an active parent when they have not been allowed. If the adoptive family returned the child immediately as they should have, then he would have had the opportunity to have parented his very young infant.

Dusten did not want to be involved. At some point when Veronica was an infant, yes, he did want to be involved, but he was not consistent and it was not from the beginning. Please stop pretending like he was trying so hard during the pregnancy, because according to testimony, that is just not the case. Again, changing his mind can draw sympathy - but he has to own it and be responsible for it, which he as not been responsible for, till this day.

[Anonymous]

So what happens to all of Baby V's stuff that is at Dusten's house?

Does he just keep her room untouched until she is 18 and can come back.

Or does he bag it up and sell/donate it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So what happens to all of Baby V's stuff that is at Dusten's house?

Does he just keep her room untouched until she is 18 and can come back.

Or does he bag it up and sell/donate it?

Dusten can ask the Capobiancos for advice. They have some experience, when he took Veronica away from them. I believe they kept her room largely untouched.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what happens to all of Baby V's stuff that is at Dusten's house?

Does he just keep her room untouched until she is 18 and can come back.

Or does he bag it up and sell/donate it?

Dusten can ask the Capobiancos for advice. They have some experience, when he took Veronica away from them. I believe they kept her room largely untouched.

Yeah when they held baby V illegally and dragged things out so she couldnt go back to her dad until she was 2