Will SEC escape RIFs due to large number of exits?

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Anonymous wrote:That mandatory half hour lunch really needs to go, and I don't mean just at the SEC. It's so stupid and unnecessary, and in this day and age of everyone trying to juggle family time/commitments and rush hour, every bit of extra time counts.

Laws have to be made for the lowest common denominator. And as soon as you stop mandating a half hour lunch break for an eight hour shift, some poor schlub, who is on his feet all day at a Walmart or Home Depot is going to be the one on the sh!t end of the stick.

Pretty sure this is a policy established by each agency and has nothing to do with people at Home Depot.

This is correct—my former agency didn’t require a half hour lunch and permitted employees to work a straight 8 hours and go home.

Part of the reason agencies don’t do this is that they know few people will truly work a straight 8 hours.

No one works 8 hours straight. No one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That mandatory half hour lunch really needs to go, and I don't mean just at the SEC. It's so stupid and unnecessary, and in this day and age of everyone trying to juggle family time/commitments and rush hour, every bit of extra time counts.

Laws have to be made for the lowest common denominator. And as soon as you stop mandating a half hour lunch break for an eight hour shift, some poor schlub, who is on his feet all day at a Walmart or Home Depot is going to be the one on the sh!t end of the stick.

^this- honestly you can just figure it out so you have coverage for your family. There are sitters and drivers available.

NP here— The issue isn’t just about whether “sitters and drivers” are available. 🙄

Why are you so intent on correcting everyone’s perception of the lunch rule? Obviously people know how it works. The 1/2 hr lunch is antiquated and should be optional. We don’t have to account for our “15 minute breaks.”

That is because 15 minute breaks are paid. They are not unpaid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to jump in on this ridiculously petty discussion but I think if you leave before 3 on your schedule then you can use lunch to shorten your day.

A good question for my supervisor and not strangers on the internet.

Who actually gets to work at 7am? Honestly that is a very disruptive schedule and the best case for not allowing the day to end even earlier. it’s kind of a joke that key staff are unavailable for meetings during normal business hours.

My schedule is 6 - 2. Then Lunch 2-230. Perfectly in compliance with every policy. But according to some in this thread, I’m going to be prosecuted for violating the CBA.

You would not be prosecuted for violating the CBA. You would be disciplined for not complying with your approved schedule.

But, as I say to my elementary school aged kids, you seem like someone who needs to fail to learn, so try this: Put in a schedule to work 6-2 instead of 2:30 and see what happens. The work schedule software won’t let you even submit the schedule because it needs 8.5 hours to calculate 8 hours of work. Every employee working longer than 6 hours must have an unpaid lunch break, that is why an 8 hour schedule ends up being 8.5.

A approved schedule of 6-2:30 with lunch at 2 and not returning to work sets your departure time at 2, not 2:30.

If you regularly leave before your approved departure time, you will be disciplined.

It is really not that complicated.

There are a million DCUM posts and doge rumors about comparing badge swipes with TIME CARDS. Zero posts about comparing badge swipes with Worksmart schedules.

You know why? Bc there’s no such thing as “worksmart fraud.” Literally nobody cares about this except you. Not even Elon.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to jump in on this ridiculously petty discussion but I think if you leave before 3 on your schedule then you can use lunch to shorten your day.

A good question for my supervisor and not strangers on the internet.

Who actually gets to work at 7am? Honestly that is a very disruptive schedule and the best case for not allowing the day to end even earlier. it’s kind of a joke that key staff are unavailable for meetings during normal business hours.

My schedule is 6 - 2. Then Lunch 2-230. Perfectly in compliance with every policy. But according to some in this thread, I’m going to be prosecuted for violating the CBA.

You would not be prosecuted for violating the CBA. You would be disciplined for not complying with your approved schedule.

But, as I say to my elementary school aged kids, you seem like someone who needs to fail to learn, so try this: Put in a schedule to work 6-2 instead of 2:30 and see what happens. The work schedule software won’t let you even submit the schedule because it needs 8.5 hours to calculate 8 hours of work. Every employee working longer than 6 hours must have an unpaid lunch break, that is why an 8 hour schedule ends up being 8.5.

A approved schedule of 6-2:30 with lunch at 2 and not returning to work sets your departure time at 2, not 2:30.

If you regularly leave before your approved departure time, you will be disciplined.

It is really not that complicated.

There are a million DCUM posts and doge rumors about comparing badge swipes with TIME CARDS. Zero posts about comparing badge swipes with Worksmart schedules.

You know why? Bc there’s no such thing as “worksmart fraud.” Literally nobody cares about this except you. Not even Elon.

Literally NOBODY complies with their “approved schedule.” Do you think everyone badges in or starts working precisely at their approved start time? To the second? How much deviation is acceptable (according to your little rule book that exists only in your mind)?

[Anonymous]

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My schedule is 6 - 2. Then Lunch 2-230. Perfectly in compliance with every policy. But according to some in this thread, I’m going to be prosecuted for violating the CBA.

Wow, THIS is the most extreme case of clock watching fed behavior I have ever heard of in my life!!

Are you SK scale too paid $50,000 or god knows what more than equivalent GS folks working 8.5 hour days plus unpaid overtime?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to jump in on this ridiculously petty discussion but I think if you leave before 3 on your schedule then you can use lunch to shorten your day.

A good question for my supervisor and not strangers on the internet.

Who actually gets to work at 7am? Honestly that is a very disruptive schedule and the best case for not allowing the day to end even earlier. it’s kind of a joke that key staff are unavailable for meetings during normal business hours.

My schedule is 6 - 2. Then Lunch 2-230. Perfectly in compliance with every policy. But according to some in this thread, I’m going to be prosecuted for violating the CBA.

You would not be prosecuted for violating the CBA. You would be disciplined for not complying with your approved schedule.

But, as I say to my elementary school aged kids, you seem like someone who needs to fail to learn, so try this: Put in a schedule to work 6-2 instead of 2:30 and see what happens. The work schedule software won’t let you even submit the schedule because it needs 8.5 hours to calculate 8 hours of work. Every employee working longer than 6 hours must have an unpaid lunch break, that is why an 8 hour schedule ends up being 8.5.

A approved schedule of 6-2:30 with lunch at 2 and not returning to work sets your departure time at 2, not 2:30.

If you regularly leave before your approved departure time, you will be disciplined.

It is really not that complicated.

There are a million DCUM posts and doge rumors about comparing badge swipes with TIME CARDS. Zero posts about comparing badge swipes with Worksmart schedules.

You know why? Bc there’s no such thing as “worksmart fraud.” Literally nobody cares about this except you. Not even Elon.

Literally NOBODY complies with their “approved schedule.” Do you think everyone badges in or starts working precisely at their approved start time? To the second? How much deviation is acceptable (according to your little rule book that exists only in your mind)?

I mean, best of luck to you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to jump in on this ridiculously petty discussion but I think if you leave before 3 on your schedule then you can use lunch to shorten your day.

A good question for my supervisor and not strangers on the internet.

Who actually gets to work at 7am? Honestly that is a very disruptive schedule and the best case for not allowing the day to end even earlier. it’s kind of a joke that key staff are unavailable for meetings during normal business hours.

My schedule is 6 - 2. Then Lunch 2-230. Perfectly in compliance with every policy. But according to some in this thread, I’m going to be prosecuted for violating the CBA.

You would not be prosecuted for violating the CBA. You would be disciplined for not complying with your approved schedule.

But, as I say to my elementary school aged kids, you seem like someone who needs to fail to learn, so try this: Put in a schedule to work 6-2 instead of 2:30 and see what happens. The work schedule software won’t let you even submit the schedule because it needs 8.5 hours to calculate 8 hours of work. Every employee working longer than 6 hours must have an unpaid lunch break, that is why an 8 hour schedule ends up being 8.5.

A approved schedule of 6-2:30 with lunch at 2 and not returning to work sets your departure time at 2, not 2:30.

If you regularly leave before your approved departure time, you will be disciplined.

It is really not that complicated.

There are a million DCUM posts and doge rumors about comparing badge swipes with TIME CARDS. Zero posts about comparing badge swipes with Worksmart schedules.

You know why? Bc there’s no such thing as “worksmart fraud.” Literally nobody cares about this except you. Not even Elon.

Literally NOBODY complies with their “approved schedule.” Do you think everyone badges in or starts working precisely at their approved start time? To the second? How much deviation is acceptable (according to your little rule book that exists only in your mind)?

Plenty of us do. You’ve just normalized for yourself not complying with your work schedule. I hope it works out for you but tbh it’s not fair to the rest of us who do comply, particularly if you do it as part of leaving at a ridiculously early hour that truncates the ability to get work done for the rest of us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to jump in on this ridiculously petty discussion but I think if you leave before 3 on your schedule then you can use lunch to shorten your day.

A good question for my supervisor and not strangers on the internet.

Who actually gets to work at 7am? Honestly that is a very disruptive schedule and the best case for not allowing the day to end even earlier. it’s kind of a joke that key staff are unavailable for meetings during normal business hours.

My schedule is 6 - 2. Then Lunch 2-230. Perfectly in compliance with every policy. But according to some in this thread, I’m going to be prosecuted for violating the CBA.

You would not be prosecuted for violating the CBA. You would be disciplined for not complying with your approved schedule.

But, as I say to my elementary school aged kids, you seem like someone who needs to fail to learn, so try this: Put in a schedule to work 6-2 instead of 2:30 and see what happens. The work schedule software won’t let you even submit the schedule because it needs 8.5 hours to calculate 8 hours of work. Every employee working longer than 6 hours must have an unpaid lunch break, that is why an 8 hour schedule ends up being 8.5.

A approved schedule of 6-2:30 with lunch at 2 and not returning to work sets your departure time at 2, not 2:30.

If you regularly leave before your approved departure time, you will be disciplined.

It is really not that complicated.

There are a million DCUM posts and doge rumors about comparing badge swipes with TIME CARDS. Zero posts about comparing badge swipes with Worksmart schedules.

You know why? Bc there’s no such thing as “worksmart fraud.” Literally nobody cares about this except you. Not even Elon.

Literally NOBODY complies with their “approved schedule.” Do you think everyone badges in or starts working precisely at their approved start time? To the second? How much deviation is acceptable (according to your little rule book that exists only in your mind)?

Plenty of us do. You’ve just normalized for yourself not complying with your work schedule. I hope it works out for you but tbh it’s not fair to the rest of us who do comply, particularly if you do it as part of leaving at a ridiculously early hour that truncates the ability to get work done for the rest of us.

How much deviation is acceptable?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to jump in on this ridiculously petty discussion but I think if you leave before 3 on your schedule then you can use lunch to shorten your day.

A good question for my supervisor and not strangers on the internet.

Who actually gets to work at 7am? Honestly that is a very disruptive schedule and the best case for not allowing the day to end even earlier. it’s kind of a joke that key staff are unavailable for meetings during normal business hours.

My schedule is 6 - 2. Then Lunch 2-230. Perfectly in compliance with every policy. But according to some in this thread, I’m going to be prosecuted for violating the CBA.

You would not be prosecuted for violating the CBA. You would be disciplined for not complying with your approved schedule.

But, as I say to my elementary school aged kids, you seem like someone who needs to fail to learn, so try this: Put in a schedule to work 6-2 instead of 2:30 and see what happens. The work schedule software won’t let you even submit the schedule because it needs 8.5 hours to calculate 8 hours of work. Every employee working longer than 6 hours must have an unpaid lunch break, that is why an 8 hour schedule ends up being 8.5.

A approved schedule of 6-2:30 with lunch at 2 and not returning to work sets your departure time at 2, not 2:30.

If you regularly leave before your approved departure time, you will be disciplined.

It is really not that complicated.

There are a million DCUM posts and doge rumors about comparing badge swipes with TIME CARDS. Zero posts about comparing badge swipes with Worksmart schedules.

You know why? Bc there’s no such thing as “worksmart fraud.” Literally nobody cares about this except you. Not even Elon.

Literally NOBODY complies with their “approved schedule.” Do you think everyone badges in or starts working precisely at their approved start time? To the second? How much deviation is acceptable (according to your little rule book that exists only in your mind)?

Plenty of us do. You’ve just normalized for yourself not complying with your work schedule. I hope it works out for you but tbh it’s not fair to the rest of us who do comply, particularly if you do it as part of leaving at a ridiculously early hour that truncates the ability to get work done for the rest of us.

It depends on what you mean by deviation.

Say my schedule is 9-5:30 and instead I work 8:30-5 one day. Assuming it is not a position where you need coverage at particular times (and not many at the SEC are) it really shouldn’t matter with that kind of shift. It’s still 8.5 hours in the office.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to jump in on this ridiculously petty discussion but I think if you leave before 3 on your schedule then you can use lunch to shorten your day.

A good question for my supervisor and not strangers on the internet.

Who actually gets to work at 7am? Honestly that is a very disruptive schedule and the best case for not allowing the day to end even earlier. it’s kind of a joke that key staff are unavailable for meetings during normal business hours.

My schedule is 6 - 2. Then Lunch 2-230. Perfectly in compliance with every policy. But according to some in this thread, I’m going to be prosecuted for violating the CBA.

You would not be prosecuted for violating the CBA. You would be disciplined for not complying with your approved schedule.

But, as I say to my elementary school aged kids, you seem like someone who needs to fail to learn, so try this: Put in a schedule to work 6-2 instead of 2:30 and see what happens. The work schedule software won’t let you even submit the schedule because it needs 8.5 hours to calculate 8 hours of work. Every employee working longer than 6 hours must have an unpaid lunch break, that is why an 8 hour schedule ends up being 8.5.

A approved schedule of 6-2:30 with lunch at 2 and not returning to work sets your departure time at 2, not 2:30.

If you regularly leave before your approved departure time, you will be disciplined.

It is really not that complicated.

There are a million DCUM posts and doge rumors about comparing badge swipes with TIME CARDS. Zero posts about comparing badge swipes with Worksmart schedules.

You know why? Bc there’s no such thing as “worksmart fraud.” Literally nobody cares about this except you. Not even Elon.

Literally NOBODY complies with their “approved schedule.” Do you think everyone badges in or starts working precisely at their approved start time? To the second? How much deviation is acceptable (according to your little rule book that exists only in your mind)?

Plenty of us do. You’ve just normalized for yourself not complying with your work schedule. I hope it works out for you but tbh it’s not fair to the rest of us who do comply, particularly if you do it as part of leaving at a ridiculously early hour that truncates the ability to get work done for the rest of us.

It depends on what you mean by deviation.

Say my schedule is 9-5:30 and instead I work 8:30-5 one day. Assuming it is not a position where you need coverage at particular times (and not many at the SEC are) it really shouldn’t matter with that kind of shift. It’s still 8.5 hours in the office.

PP - I'm in an office that isn't public-facing at all, but our SOs have begun making noises about "coverage." So don't count on rationality about core hour flexibility. If they're willing to ignore the CBA on TW, what's stopping them from doing the same regarding flex?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to jump in on this ridiculously petty discussion but I think if you leave before 3 on your schedule then you can use lunch to shorten your day.

A good question for my supervisor and not strangers on the internet.

Who actually gets to work at 7am? Honestly that is a very disruptive schedule and the best case for not allowing the day to end even earlier. it’s kind of a joke that key staff are unavailable for meetings during normal business hours.

My schedule is 6 - 2. Then Lunch 2-230. Perfectly in compliance with every policy. But according to some in this thread, I’m going to be prosecuted for violating the CBA.

You would not be prosecuted for violating the CBA. You would be disciplined for not complying with your approved schedule.

But, as I say to my elementary school aged kids, you seem like someone who needs to fail to learn, so try this: Put in a schedule to work 6-2 instead of 2:30 and see what happens. The work schedule software won’t let you even submit the schedule because it needs 8.5 hours to calculate 8 hours of work. Every employee working longer than 6 hours must have an unpaid lunch break, that is why an 8 hour schedule ends up being 8.5.

A approved schedule of 6-2:30 with lunch at 2 and not returning to work sets your departure time at 2, not 2:30.

If you regularly leave before your approved departure time, you will be disciplined.

It is really not that complicated.

There are a million DCUM posts and doge rumors about comparing badge swipes with TIME CARDS. Zero posts about comparing badge swipes with Worksmart schedules.

You know why? Bc there’s no such thing as “worksmart fraud.” Literally nobody cares about this except you. Not even Elon.

Literally NOBODY complies with their “approved schedule.” Do you think everyone badges in or starts working precisely at their approved start time? To the second? How much deviation is acceptable (according to your little rule book that exists only in your mind)?

Plenty of us do. You’ve just normalized for yourself not complying with your work schedule. I hope it works out for you but tbh it’s not fair to the rest of us who do comply, particularly if you do it as part of leaving at a ridiculously early hour that truncates the ability to get work done for the rest of us.

It depends on what you mean by deviation.

Say my schedule is 9-5:30 and instead I work 8:30-5 one day. Assuming it is not a position where you need coverage at particular times (and not many at the SEC are) it really shouldn’t matter with that kind of shift. It’s still 8.5 hours in the office.

Ah, I see. YOU get to deviate from your “approved work schedule.” Deviations are ok, as long as they’re the type that YOU think is acceptable. What a joke — just keep making it up as you go along…

[Anonymous]

I actually think the focus will be on people that defy RTO and continue to TW. Not a huge amount of people but I think there will be people doing it 1-2 days per week and those will be the ones they go after.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I actually think the focus will be on people that defy RTO and continue to TW. Not a huge amount of people but I think there will be people doing it 1-2 days per week and those will be the ones they go after.

What if they have a RA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to jump in on this ridiculously petty discussion but I think if you leave before 3 on your schedule then you can use lunch to shorten your day.

A good question for my supervisor and not strangers on the internet.

Who actually gets to work at 7am? Honestly that is a very disruptive schedule and the best case for not allowing the day to end even earlier. it’s kind of a joke that key staff are unavailable for meetings during normal business hours.

My schedule is 6 - 2. Then Lunch 2-230. Perfectly in compliance with every policy. But according to some in this thread, I’m going to be prosecuted for violating the CBA.

You would not be prosecuted for violating the CBA. You would be disciplined for not complying with your approved schedule.

But, as I say to my elementary school aged kids, you seem like someone who needs to fail to learn, so try this: Put in a schedule to work 6-2 instead of 2:30 and see what happens. The work schedule software won’t let you even submit the schedule because it needs 8.5 hours to calculate 8 hours of work. Every employee working longer than 6 hours must have an unpaid lunch break, that is why an 8 hour schedule ends up being 8.5.

A approved schedule of 6-2:30 with lunch at 2 and not returning to work sets your departure time at 2, not 2:30.

If you regularly leave before your approved departure time, you will be disciplined.

It is really not that complicated.

There are a million DCUM posts and doge rumors about comparing badge swipes with TIME CARDS. Zero posts about comparing badge swipes with Worksmart schedules.

You know why? Bc there’s no such thing as “worksmart fraud.” Literally nobody cares about this except you. Not even Elon.

Literally NOBODY complies with their “approved schedule.” Do you think everyone badges in or starts working precisely at their approved start time? To the second? How much deviation is acceptable (according to your little rule book that exists only in your mind)?

Plenty of us do. You’ve just normalized for yourself not complying with your work schedule. I hope it works out for you but tbh it’s not fair to the rest of us who do comply, particularly if you do it as part of leaving at a ridiculously early hour that truncates the ability to get work done for the rest of us.

It depends on what you mean by deviation.

Say my schedule is 9-5:30 and instead I work 8:30-5 one day. Assuming it is not a position where you need coverage at particular times (and not many at the SEC are) it really shouldn’t matter with that kind of shift. It’s still 8.5 hours in the office.

Ah, I see. YOU get to deviate from your “approved work schedule.” Deviations are ok, as long as they’re the type that YOU think is acceptable. What a joke — just keep making it up as you go along…

My supervisor said she had no issue with this so I’m hardly making it up as I go along. And don’t you have something better to do with your life than “yelling” at a stranger on an anonymous message board?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I actually think the focus will be on people that defy RTO and continue to TW. Not a huge amount of people but I think there will be people doing it 1-2 days per week and those will be the ones they go after.

What if they have a RA?

Obviously that's not what I'm talking about.