Will SEC escape RIFs due to large number of exits?

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Anonymous wrote:What’s next for the agency? Any expected RIFs? Pay cut to be on the GS scale? What is PA like? Seems like we’ve gotten by generally unscathed…. Feels too good to be true.

Hasn’t the agency lost something like 700 people over the last 2 months? And had its CBA eviscerated? And had its 9 regional directors scrapped? And 2 of its regional office leases cancelled? And its TSP supplement gone? And its employees humiliated and treated like dirt by having to send “5 bullets” every Monday?

Not sure this qualifies as “unscathed.”

If you’re talking about RIFs, aren’t there like 450 agencies? How many have experienced actual involuntary terminations? Like seven?

Not sure I’d characterize the SEC’s experiences thus far as “too good to be true.” But maybe I’m not being appreciative.

That’s relatively unscathed. The people who left did so voluntarily, in same cases absolutely thrilled to get healthcare for life far sooner than they would otherwise. And “treated like dirt” for habit to spend 1-2 minutes sending an email. Let’s not be dramatic about shit that doesn’t matter when there is plenty that does, like RTO.

As for the TSP supplement, wasn’t that stopped under Gensler consistent with the union contract because the agency didn’t have the budget for it?

Again, how many of the 450-plus agencies have experienced involuntary terminations? Like 8. Probably 6,000 people total.

Yet reading the internet, you’d think every agency had fired 50 percent. So it’s not me who’s being “dramatic.”

Way more than 6,000 people have lost their jobs government wide.

And yes, whining about the five things email is dramatic.

Source? Or are you just going by twitter posts?

Not including reinstated probation employees, not more than 10,000 involuntary terminations. And 95 pct if those were from 3 agencies.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s next for the agency? Any expected RIFs? Pay cut to be on the GS scale? What is PA like? Seems like we’ve gotten by generally unscathed…. Feels too good to be true.

Hasn’t the agency lost something like 700 people over the last 2 months? And had its CBA eviscerated? And had its 9 regional directors scrapped? And 2 of its regional office leases cancelled? And its TSP supplement gone? And its employees humiliated and treated like dirt by having to send “5 bullets” every Monday?

Not sure this qualifies as “unscathed.”

If you’re talking about RIFs, aren’t there like 450 agencies? How many have experienced actual involuntary terminations? Like seven?

Not sure I’d characterize the SEC’s experiences thus far as “too good to be true.” But maybe I’m not being appreciative.

That’s relatively unscathed. The people who left did so voluntarily, in same cases absolutely thrilled to get healthcare for life far sooner than they would otherwise. And “treated like dirt” for habit to spend 1-2 minutes sending an email. Let’s not be dramatic about shit that doesn’t matter when there is plenty that does, like RTO.

As for the TSP supplement, wasn’t that stopped under Gensler consistent with the union contract because the agency didn’t have the budget for it?

Again, how many of the 450-plus agencies have experienced involuntary terminations? Like 8. Probably 6,000 people total.

Yet reading the internet, you’d think every agency had fired 50 percent. So it’s not me who’s being “dramatic.”

Way more than 6,000 people have lost their jobs government wide.

And yes, whining about the five things email is dramatic.

Source? Or are you just going by twitter posts?

Not including reinstated probation employees, not more than 10,000 involuntary terminations. And 95 pct if those were from 3 agencies.

Even accepting your revised numbers, which I don’t think are accurate still, that’s quite a goalpost shift. Up from 6,000 to 10,000 and ignoring probationary employees who are temporarily reinstated (many are on admin leave and not working) changes it quite a bit.

When assessing how scathed the employees at the SEC are, you don’t think it would be relevant to consider employees who were fired and (for the moment) reinstated? That’s a pretty traumatic experience that may or may not result in permanent job losses. It’s of course not as traumatic as having to send five bullet points about what you did last week, but it still seems worth including in the calculus of how the agency has fared compared to others.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s next for the agency? Any expected RIFs? Pay cut to be on the GS scale? What is PA like? Seems like we’ve gotten by generally unscathed…. Feels too good to be true.

Hasn’t the agency lost something like 700 people over the last 2 months? And had its CBA eviscerated? And had its 9 regional directors scrapped? And 2 of its regional office leases cancelled? And its TSP supplement gone? And its employees humiliated and treated like dirt by having to send “5 bullets” every Monday?

Not sure this qualifies as “unscathed.”

If you’re talking about RIFs, aren’t there like 450 agencies? How many have experienced actual involuntary terminations? Like seven?

Not sure I’d characterize the SEC’s experiences thus far as “too good to be true.” But maybe I’m not being appreciative.

That’s relatively unscathed. The people who left did so voluntarily, in same cases absolutely thrilled to get healthcare for life far sooner than they would otherwise. And “treated like dirt” for habit to spend 1-2 minutes sending an email. Let’s not be dramatic about shit that doesn’t matter when there is plenty that does, like RTO.

As for the TSP supplement, wasn’t that stopped under Gensler consistent with the union contract because the agency didn’t have the budget for it?

Again, how many of the 450-plus agencies have experienced involuntary terminations? Like 8. Probably 6,000 people total.

Yet reading the internet, you’d think every agency had fired 50 percent. So it’s not me who’s being “dramatic.”

Way more than 6,000 people have lost their jobs government wide.

And yes, whining about the five things email is dramatic.

Source? Or are you just going by twitter posts?

Not including reinstated probation employees, not more than 10,000 involuntary terminations. And 95 pct if those were from 3 agencies.

Even accepting your revised numbers, which I don’t think are accurate still, that’s quite a goalpost shift. Up from 6,000 to 10,000 and ignoring probationary employees who are temporarily reinstated (many are on admin leave and not working) changes it quite a bit.

When assessing how scathed the employees at the SEC are, you don’t think it would be relevant to consider employees who were fired and (for the moment) reinstated? That’s a pretty traumatic experience that may or may not result in permanent job losses. It’s of course not as traumatic as having to send five bullet points about what you did last week, but it still seems worth including in the calculus of how the agency has fared compared to others.

So how many agencies out of 450 have experienced involuntary terminations?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s next for the agency? Any expected RIFs? Pay cut to be on the GS scale? What is PA like? Seems like we’ve gotten by generally unscathed…. Feels too good to be true.

Hasn’t the agency lost something like 700 people over the last 2 months? And had its CBA eviscerated? And had its 9 regional directors scrapped? And 2 of its regional office leases cancelled? And its TSP supplement gone? And its employees humiliated and treated like dirt by having to send “5 bullets” every Monday?

Not sure this qualifies as “unscathed.”

If you’re talking about RIFs, aren’t there like 450 agencies? How many have experienced actual involuntary terminations? Like seven?

Not sure I’d characterize the SEC’s experiences thus far as “too good to be true.” But maybe I’m not being appreciative.

That’s relatively unscathed. The people who left did so voluntarily, in same cases absolutely thrilled to get healthcare for life far sooner than they would otherwise. And “treated like dirt” for habit to spend 1-2 minutes sending an email. Let’s not be dramatic about shit that doesn’t matter when there is plenty that does, like RTO.

As for the TSP supplement, wasn’t that stopped under Gensler consistent with the union contract because the agency didn’t have the budget for it?

Again, how many of the 450-plus agencies have experienced involuntary terminations? Like 8. Probably 6,000 people total.

Yet reading the internet, you’d think every agency had fired 50 percent. So it’s not me who’s being “dramatic.”

Way more than 6,000 people have lost their jobs government wide.

And yes, whining about the five things email is dramatic.

Source? Or are you just going by twitter posts?

Not including reinstated probation employees, not more than 10,000 involuntary terminations. And 95 pct if those were from 3 agencies.

Even accepting your revised numbers, which I don’t think are accurate still, that’s quite a goalpost shift. Up from 6,000 to 10,000 and ignoring probationary employees who are temporarily reinstated (many are on admin leave and not working) changes it quite a bit.

When assessing how scathed the employees at the SEC are, you don’t think it would be relevant to consider employees who were fired and (for the moment) reinstated? That’s a pretty traumatic experience that may or may not result in permanent job losses. It’s of course not as traumatic as having to send five bullet points about what you did last week, but it still seems worth including in the calculus of how the agency has fared compared to others.

So how many agencies out of 450 have experienced involuntary terminations?

DP. I can't believe you're both too lazy to look this up.
https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2025/02/rif-watch-see-which-agencies-are-laying-federal-workers/403342/?oref=ge-related-article

The article is current to 3/28, so some of the layoffs it says "will" happen have now happened. HHS laid off 10,000 people on 4/1.