Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles

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Anonymous wrote:I was born a few years before MMR was available and I had both types of measles as did every kid in the neighborhood and none of us were hospitalized or died.
Modern medicine is light years above 1970 so why are kids dying from it in 2025?

In the 1950’s about 500 people died a year in the U.S. due to measles. The population was roughly half of what it is today, so that would mean about 1000 deaths today. In 1960, a few years before the measles vaccine was approved, around 300-400 people died, or about 800 deaths today. You didn’t hear about deaths because it was it wasn’t as newsworthy for kids to die from a virus without a cure or a vaccine. There was no internet and national news was limited to a few outlets. Local news did not get picked up by national news outlets as it does today.

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Anonymous wrote:The child had pneumonia, RSV and measles. The child's death was declared due to measles after the hospital staff vaccinated the child while hospitalized for pneumonia.

https://x.com/angelwoman501/status/1896421025534857285

NOPE! have seen lots of bot posts and astroturfing posts about this that get picked up and repeated by people like you. It also does not make any logical sense based on the known incubation period for measles which is 11-12 days AFTER exposure!

You basically saw a post on X and believed it without verifying. I am embarrassed for you.

What did you expect from the anti-vaxxers and the MAGA? They are beyond stupid and lack any critical thinking skills.

It's not even a legit looking post from an anti-vaxxer. It's from "angelwoman501". I hope to god that poster doesn't have any kids, because they will be vulnerable to health issues with a parent that stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone here informed about “shedding”?

Viral shedding?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0264410X16300895

"There is no documented evidence of measles vaccine virus transmission."

we may need this in capital letters for the nutjob that posted that prior comment.

While yes, scant attenuated measles virus can be isolated from someone recently vaccinated for up to a few weeks after vaccination, with very high cycle times (meaning the lab equipment repeatedly looks for the virus and keeps cycling over and over again - the higher the cycle time, the less virus is present)

"THERE IS NO DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE OF MEASLES VACCINE VIRUS TRANSMISSION"

In other words, the verrrrrrry tiny bit of weakened vaccine derived virus shed by a person recently vaccinated does not actually lead to infection of others in the real world.

Shedding is a general term referring to the virion shedding from an infected host. The reason why this is an uncomfortable conversation is because it also refers to vaccinated people shedding the virus they are infected with with or without any symptoms. Vaccines can blunt the symptoms and make the infection milder but may not always prevent transmission. It's possible for people vaccinated against Measles to spread (e.g. shed measles virus) to others. They may not show characteristic symptoms.

I get that. But in vaccine conspiracy theory circles, social media, etc., they will point to shedding of measles being caused by the vaccine itself, implying that vaccination causes outbreaks. And yes there is research that shows that scant amounts of vaccine type measles can identified for a few weeks after vaccination via PCR testing of nasal specimens. However, most importantly, shedding of the vaccine type virus (which is an attenuated, weakened form) is not associated with transmission or outbreak nor is it associated with the TX outbreak. Social media posta implying overwise are false.

Ok, This isn't what is automatically implied by "shedding", anyone can look up this term and what it means. The controversy is that vaccinated aren't automatically excluded from the equation of transmission/outbreak even when it's proven to be wild virus and they show no symptoms. In other words, transmission cannot be blamed on the unvaxxed only. If you received your vaccines (my kids did) or you had the virus, then you should be protected enough from the ill effects of this virus and especially and most importantly, complications. So, I am not worried and I think this is politicized.

This is why herd immunity keeps us all healthier. Vaccines aren’t 100% effective, and we need a low disease prevalence to prevent illness.

We have herd immunity. Vast majority is vaxxed. Especially in places where it's popping up now, so what gives?

We are actually below herd immunity rate for measles, needs to be 95 percent but US is around 90 percent with various communities lower than that. People are generally not worried for themselves but frustrated with declining vaccination rates and am HHS leader who touts vaccine as a personal choice - which may drive rates even lower.

The lower the rates and the more our leaders embrace a "personal choice" attitude toward vaccines line MMR, it puts those who cannot be vaccinated - like young babies - at risk. Specifically for measles where it is so contagious, one person exercising "personal choice" puts all babies, immunosuppressed, etc in their vicinity, at risk if and when that person gets infected.

Not worried about measles for ourselves but we do actually care about other babies and people If you do not care about other people (and babies!), go to another thread and do not post here.

+1 From the article in the OP:
“In Gaines County, Texas, the epicenter of the current outbreak, the vaccine exemption rate was nearly 18% for the 2023-2024 school year, according to health department data.”

Isn’t Texas the epicenter of migrants?

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone here informed about “shedding”?

Viral shedding?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0264410X16300895

"There is no documented evidence of measles vaccine virus transmission."

we may need this in capital letters for the nutjob that posted that prior comment.

While yes, scant attenuated measles virus can be isolated from someone recently vaccinated for up to a few weeks after vaccination, with very high cycle times (meaning the lab equipment repeatedly looks for the virus and keeps cycling over and over again - the higher the cycle time, the less virus is present)

"THERE IS NO DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE OF MEASLES VACCINE VIRUS TRANSMISSION"

In other words, the verrrrrrry tiny bit of weakened vaccine derived virus shed by a person recently vaccinated does not actually lead to infection of others in the real world.

Shedding is a general term referring to the virion shedding from an infected host. The reason why this is an uncomfortable conversation is because it also refers to vaccinated people shedding the virus they are infected with with or without any symptoms. Vaccines can blunt the symptoms and make the infection milder but may not always prevent transmission. It's possible for people vaccinated against Measles to spread (e.g. shed measles virus) to others. They may not show characteristic symptoms.

I get that. But in vaccine conspiracy theory circles, social media, etc., they will point to shedding of measles being caused by the vaccine itself, implying that vaccination causes outbreaks. And yes there is research that shows that scant amounts of vaccine type measles can identified for a few weeks after vaccination via PCR testing of nasal specimens. However, most importantly, shedding of the vaccine type virus (which is an attenuated, weakened form) is not associated with transmission or outbreak nor is it associated with the TX outbreak. Social media posta implying overwise are false.

Ok, This isn't what is automatically implied by "shedding", anyone can look up this term and what it means. The controversy is that vaccinated aren't automatically excluded from the equation of transmission/outbreak even when it's proven to be wild virus and they show no symptoms. In other words, transmission cannot be blamed on the unvaxxed only. If you received your vaccines (my kids did) or you had the virus, then you should be protected enough from the ill effects of this virus and especially and most importantly, complications. So, I am not worried and I think this is politicized.

This is why herd immunity keeps us all healthier. Vaccines aren’t 100% effective, and we need a low disease prevalence to prevent illness.

We have herd immunity. Vast majority is vaxxed. Especially in places where it's popping up now, so what gives?

We are actually below herd immunity rate for measles, needs to be 95 percent but US is around 90 percent with various communities lower than that. People are generally not worried for themselves but frustrated with declining vaccination rates and am HHS leader who touts vaccine as a personal choice - which may drive rates even lower.

The lower the rates and the more our leaders embrace a "personal choice" attitude toward vaccines line MMR, it puts those who cannot be vaccinated - like young babies - at risk. Specifically for measles where it is so contagious, one person exercising "personal choice" puts all babies, immunosuppressed, etc in their vicinity, at risk if and when that person gets infected.

Not worried about measles for ourselves but we do actually care about other babies and people If you do not care about other people (and babies!), go to another thread and do not post here.

+1 From the article in the OP:
“In Gaines County, Texas, the epicenter of the current outbreak, the vaccine exemption rate was nearly 18% for the 2023-2024 school year, according to health department data.”

Isn’t Texas the epicenter of migrants?

Yes, leaks blame patient zero on a migrant without knowing who is patient zero.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone here informed about “shedding”?

Viral shedding?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0264410X16300895

"There is no documented evidence of measles vaccine virus transmission."

we may need this in capital letters for the nutjob that posted that prior comment.

While yes, scant attenuated measles virus can be isolated from someone recently vaccinated for up to a few weeks after vaccination, with very high cycle times (meaning the lab equipment repeatedly looks for the virus and keeps cycling over and over again - the higher the cycle time, the less virus is present)

"THERE IS NO DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE OF MEASLES VACCINE VIRUS TRANSMISSION"

In other words, the verrrrrrry tiny bit of weakened vaccine derived virus shed by a person recently vaccinated does not actually lead to infection of others in the real world.

Shedding is a general term referring to the virion shedding from an infected host. The reason why this is an uncomfortable conversation is because it also refers to vaccinated people shedding the virus they are infected with with or without any symptoms. Vaccines can blunt the symptoms and make the infection milder but may not always prevent transmission. It's possible for people vaccinated against Measles to spread (e.g. shed measles virus) to others. They may not show characteristic symptoms.

I get that. But in vaccine conspiracy theory circles, social media, etc., they will point to shedding of measles being caused by the vaccine itself, implying that vaccination causes outbreaks. And yes there is research that shows that scant amounts of vaccine type measles can identified for a few weeks after vaccination via PCR testing of nasal specimens. However, most importantly, shedding of the vaccine type virus (which is an attenuated, weakened form) is not associated with transmission or outbreak nor is it associated with the TX outbreak. Social media posta implying overwise are false.

Ok, This isn't what is automatically implied by "shedding", anyone can look up this term and what it means. The controversy is that vaccinated aren't automatically excluded from the equation of transmission/outbreak even when it's proven to be wild virus and they show no symptoms. In other words, transmission cannot be blamed on the unvaxxed only. If you received your vaccines (my kids did) or you had the virus, then you should be protected enough from the ill effects of this virus and especially and most importantly, complications. So, I am not worried and I think this is politicized.

This is why herd immunity keeps us all healthier. Vaccines aren’t 100% effective, and we need a low disease prevalence to prevent illness.

We have herd immunity. Vast majority is vaxxed. Especially in places where it's popping up now, so what gives?

We are actually below herd immunity rate for measles, needs to be 95 percent but US is around 90 percent with various communities lower than that. People are generally not worried for themselves but frustrated with declining vaccination rates and am HHS leader who touts vaccine as a personal choice - which may drive rates even lower.

The lower the rates and the more our leaders embrace a "personal choice" attitude toward vaccines line MMR, it puts those who cannot be vaccinated - like young babies - at risk. Specifically for measles where it is so contagious, one person exercising "personal choice" puts all babies, immunosuppressed, etc in their vicinity, at risk if and when that person gets infected.

Not worried about measles for ourselves but we do actually care about other babies and people If you do not care about other people (and babies!), go to another thread and do not post here.

+1 From the article in the OP:
“In Gaines County, Texas, the epicenter of the current outbreak, the vaccine exemption rate was nearly 18% for the 2023-2024 school year, according to health department data.”

Isn’t Texas the epicenter of migrants?

Yes, leaks blame patient zero on a migrant without knowing who is patient zero.

Far right fought not to immunize their children to enter public schools as it had been required for decades. Supreme Court agreed and children no longer need to be immunized to enter public schools.

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Here’s a local news article - the outbreak of measles is not causing a few kids to get a rash and one unfortunate death. Children are being intubated, including an infant less than 6 months old. Pregnant women have gotten measles and now have to be monitored in case they die or abort their fetus. In a recent review of pregnant women with measles, 4% died, and 50% had either a miscarriage, intrauterine fetal death, or premature birth.

https://www.texastribune.org/2025/03/04/west-texas-measles-outbreak-mennonite-seminole/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was born a few years before MMR was available and I had both types of measles as did every kid in the neighborhood and none of us were hospitalized or died.
Modern medicine is light years above 1970 so why are kids dying from it in 2025?

My mother needed glasses after having measles at 4. One of her nursery school friends died. I had measles at 4 and the rubella vaccine when it came out. During mid term exams sophomore year in college I went to the school infirmary for a sudden illness. It was rubella and they kept me for about three days. I guess vaccines don’t always work. My mother was meticulous with my WHO vaccine record since we were a military family.

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Anonymous wrote:I was born a few years before MMR was available and I had both types of measles as did every kid in the neighborhood and none of us were hospitalized or died.
Modern medicine is light years above 1970 so why are kids dying from it in 2025?

In the 1950’s about 500 people died a year in the U.S. due to measles. The population was roughly half of what it is today, so that would mean about 1000 deaths today. In 1960, a few years before the measles vaccine was approved, around 300-400 people died, or about 800 deaths today. You didn’t hear about deaths because it was it wasn’t as newsworthy for kids to die from a virus without a cure or a vaccine. There was no internet and national news was limited to a few outlets. Local news did not get picked up by national news outlets as it does today.

Measles may also be harder on folks now since we haven’t seen it in US in decades. Immune systems are not ready for it.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s a local news article - the outbreak of measles is not causing a few kids to get a rash and one unfortunate death. Children are being intubated, including an infant less than 6 months old. Pregnant women have gotten measles and now have to be monitored in case they die or abort their fetus. In a recent review of pregnant women with measles, 4% died, and 50% had either a miscarriage, intrauterine fetal death, or premature birth.

https://www.texastribune.org/2025/03/04/west-texas-measles-outbreak-mennonite-seminole/

Well. RFK jr is recommending cod liver oil.

The idiocy is disheartening. All this suffering and high medical bills instead of a simple vaccination.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone here informed about “shedding”?

Viral shedding?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0264410X16300895

"There is no documented evidence of measles vaccine virus transmission."

we may need this in capital letters for the nutjob that posted that prior comment.

While yes, scant attenuated measles virus can be isolated from someone recently vaccinated for up to a few weeks after vaccination, with very high cycle times (meaning the lab equipment repeatedly looks for the virus and keeps cycling over and over again - the higher the cycle time, the less virus is present)

"THERE IS NO DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE OF MEASLES VACCINE VIRUS TRANSMISSION"

In other words, the verrrrrrry tiny bit of weakened vaccine derived virus shed by a person recently vaccinated does not actually lead to infection of others in the real world.

Shedding is a general term referring to the virion shedding from an infected host. The reason why this is an uncomfortable conversation is because it also refers to vaccinated people shedding the virus they are infected with with or without any symptoms. Vaccines can blunt the symptoms and make the infection milder but may not always prevent transmission. It's possible for people vaccinated against Measles to spread (e.g. shed measles virus) to others. They may not show characteristic symptoms.

I get that. But in vaccine conspiracy theory circles, social media, etc., they will point to shedding of measles being caused by the vaccine itself, implying that vaccination causes outbreaks. And yes there is research that shows that scant amounts of vaccine type measles can identified for a few weeks after vaccination via PCR testing of nasal specimens. However, most importantly, shedding of the vaccine type virus (which is an attenuated, weakened form) is not associated with transmission or outbreak nor is it associated with the TX outbreak. Social media posta implying overwise are false.

Ok, This isn't what is automatically implied by "shedding", anyone can look up this term and what it means. The controversy is that vaccinated aren't automatically excluded from the equation of transmission/outbreak even when it's proven to be wild virus and they show no symptoms. In other words, transmission cannot be blamed on the unvaxxed only. If you received your vaccines (my kids did) or you had the virus, then you should be protected enough from the ill effects of this virus and especially and most importantly, complications. So, I am not worried and I think this is politicized.

This is why herd immunity keeps us all healthier. Vaccines aren’t 100% effective, and we need a low disease prevalence to prevent illness.

We have herd immunity. Vast majority is vaxxed. Especially in places where it's popping up now, so what gives?

We are actually below herd immunity rate for measles, needs to be 95 percent but US is around 90 percent with various communities lower than that. People are generally not worried for themselves but frustrated with declining vaccination rates and am HHS leader who touts vaccine as a personal choice - which may drive rates even lower.

The lower the rates and the more our leaders embrace a "personal choice" attitude toward vaccines line MMR, it puts those who cannot be vaccinated - like young babies - at risk. Specifically for measles where it is so contagious, one person exercising "personal choice" puts all babies, immunosuppressed, etc in their vicinity, at risk if and when that person gets infected.

Not worried about measles for ourselves but we do actually care about other babies and people If you do not care about other people (and babies!), go to another thread and do not post here.

+1 From the article in the OP:
“In Gaines County, Texas, the epicenter of the current outbreak, the vaccine exemption rate was nearly 18% for the 2023-2024 school year, according to health department data.”

Isn’t Texas the epicenter of migrants?

The outbreak is centered in the Mennonite community but your knee jerk racism is noted.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone here informed about “shedding”?

Viral shedding?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0264410X16300895

"There is no documented evidence of measles vaccine virus transmission."

we may need this in capital letters for the nutjob that posted that prior comment.

While yes, scant attenuated measles virus can be isolated from someone recently vaccinated for up to a few weeks after vaccination, with very high cycle times (meaning the lab equipment repeatedly looks for the virus and keeps cycling over and over again - the higher the cycle time, the less virus is present)

"THERE IS NO DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE OF MEASLES VACCINE VIRUS TRANSMISSION"

In other words, the verrrrrrry tiny bit of weakened vaccine derived virus shed by a person recently vaccinated does not actually lead to infection of others in the real world.

Shedding is a general term referring to the virion shedding from an infected host. The reason why this is an uncomfortable conversation is because it also refers to vaccinated people shedding the virus they are infected with with or without any symptoms. Vaccines can blunt the symptoms and make the infection milder but may not always prevent transmission. It's possible for people vaccinated against Measles to spread (e.g. shed measles virus) to others. They may not show characteristic symptoms.

I get that. But in vaccine conspiracy theory circles, social media, etc., they will point to shedding of measles being caused by the vaccine itself, implying that vaccination causes outbreaks. And yes there is research that shows that scant amounts of vaccine type measles can identified for a few weeks after vaccination via PCR testing of nasal specimens. However, most importantly, shedding of the vaccine type virus (which is an attenuated, weakened form) is not associated with transmission or outbreak nor is it associated with the TX outbreak. Social media posta implying overwise are false.

Ok, This isn't what is automatically implied by "shedding", anyone can look up this term and what it means. The controversy is that vaccinated aren't automatically excluded from the equation of transmission/outbreak even when it's proven to be wild virus and they show no symptoms. In other words, transmission cannot be blamed on the unvaxxed only. If you received your vaccines (my kids did) or you had the virus, then you should be protected enough from the ill effects of this virus and especially and most importantly, complications. So, I am not worried and I think this is politicized.

This is why herd immunity keeps us all healthier. Vaccines aren’t 100% effective, and we need a low disease prevalence to prevent illness.

We have herd immunity. Vast majority is vaxxed. Especially in places where it's popping up now, so what gives?

We are actually below herd immunity rate for measles, needs to be 95 percent but US is around 90 percent with various communities lower than that. People are generally not worried for themselves but frustrated with declining vaccination rates and am HHS leader who touts vaccine as a personal choice - which may drive rates even lower.

The lower the rates and the more our leaders embrace a "personal choice" attitude toward vaccines line MMR, it puts those who cannot be vaccinated - like young babies - at risk. Specifically for measles where it is so contagious, one person exercising "personal choice" puts all babies, immunosuppressed, etc in their vicinity, at risk if and when that person gets infected.

Not worried about measles for ourselves but we do actually care about other babies and people If you do not care about other people (and babies!), go to another thread and do not post here.

+1 From the article in the OP:
“In Gaines County, Texas, the epicenter of the current outbreak, the vaccine exemption rate was nearly 18% for the 2023-2024 school year, according to health department data.”

Isn’t Texas the epicenter of migrants?

The outbreak is centered in the Mennonite community but your knee jerk racism is noted.

This and also you could seal the border airtight and measles will still be present in our country due to how contagious it is (we allow US citizens to travel and measles is everywhere) along with the fact that we do not have herd immunity (below 95 percent in many places)

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Anonymous wrote:Just stop with all the fearmongering. There is no information about the health of the child who died. I've posted before that I had measles as a child as did my parents and their parents and all my friends and relatives and not anyone we knew or anyone they knew died. This child must have been very sick. It's quite sad that he wasn't vaccinated, but he might have died from something else if he were very sick. Measles is not polio. It's not going to spark a pandemic. All will be well. Calm down.

Yes, there is information. They died from measles, a wholly preventable disease.

Preexisting conditions?

Let's pretend the child had diabetes. What is your next step, after obtaining that information? I'm genuinely confused about why you need this information.

The pp is justifying why there is no need to vaccinate his/her kid.

I know that part. But I'm baffled about why they need to know this particular child's preexisting conditions. The MMR vaccine could have prevented the death regardless of preexisting conditions. This is a known fact.

If the cause of death is pre-existing condition how would MMR prevent this death?

Why are you making stuff up?

What stuff I am making up? If someone has pre-existing conditions and dies from complications of these conditions and happens to test positive for some virus X, this doesn't mean that it's the virus X that caused this person's death. Also, virus X could endanger the health of a person with pre-existing conditions putting them at risk of death, but this doesn't mean that another virus Y (for which there are no vaccinations) or some other health injury isn't going to do the same. In other words MMR would reduce the risk of this person dying (from these diseases specifically), but would not prevent this person from dying of many other causes.

In fact, testing positive for Measles doesn't preclude there wasn't another virus or bacterial infection present that contributed or even started the chain of events that led to the person's death.

So you think this child died from cancer or ebola or something?

Do children only die of cancer or ebola in the hospitals?

What do you mean? Why are you asking this?

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Anonymous wrote:Just stop with all the fearmongering. There is no information about the health of the child who died. I've posted before that I had measles as a child as did my parents and their parents and all my friends and relatives and not anyone we knew or anyone they knew died. This child must have been very sick. It's quite sad that he wasn't vaccinated, but he might have died from something else if he were very sick. Measles is not polio. It's not going to spark a pandemic. All will be well. Calm down.

Yes, there is information. They died from measles, a wholly preventable disease.

Preexisting conditions?

Let's pretend the child had diabetes. What is your next step, after obtaining that information? I'm genuinely confused about why you need this information.

I'm not the anti-vax PP you were responding to but I came to this thread to figure out why I'm seeing people online talk about this child who died.

They seem to be saying the child who died of measles, actually was hospitalized with RSV AND Pneumonia as well and then picked up measles in the hospital.

I've seen that two places now. But they won't cite their source of that information. I came here to see if anyone was also saying that? But apparently not.

Anyhow - that's what is going around the anti-vax, measles isn't that big a deal TikTok world - the child had "pre existing conditions" of RSV and Pneumonio, and then acquired measles while in the hospital. So they didn't die "of measles".

Even *if* that information were true (again - no source for it) -- STILL -- they would have died of the measles. Because a sick child in the hospital should not be getting measles - which could kill him in his weakened state. That's exactly why you vaccinate your kids - so if they are sick with other things, vaccine preventable diseases don't kill them.

This is what people don’t seem to understand.

What you don't understand is that pneumonia is deadly in and of its own. In fact it's very dangerous for you to not understand it because vaccination against respiratory viruses isn't going to guarantee protection from bacterial pneumonia that can kill you. You should always get an xray after you feel like you cannot get better fast enough from a bad respiratory virus case and not count on it to go away on its own. Antibiotics are effective and save lives if diagnosed early enough. Most people dying from flu die from pneumonia that gets too advanced. it's likely RSV that's created this complication . RSV vaccine is not mandatory.

Anyway, vast majority of kids are vaccinated, mine too and I am not worried. I am still trying to find out why all of you are so worried given that I am pretty sure your kids are vaccinated?

Most vaccinated are nervous because they actually really don't believe what they say. They are terrified the things they put their trust in will fail them. They argue not to convince unvaccinated but themselves.

It's natural to be nervous about an outbreak, but I'm not going to be the one weeping bedside at the hospital because my family is vaccinated. Good luck to you antivaxxers.

Antivaxxers aren't the ones freaking out about this, they don't care if you weep for them, they made their choice. None of you can explain why you are in panic mode over this while your kids are fully vaccinated. Mine are and I am not worried, please tell me why I should be. Or are you just venting your anger because of something else not related to this specific situation? e.g. politics.

I'm not in panic mode and haven't seen anyone here in panic mode.

Honestly the rest should be self explanatory. You should be worried for babies and people who can't get vaccinated.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone here informed about “shedding”?

I don't think DCUM is ready for this conversation..

What, measles shedding causing infection of OTHERS from being vaxxed?

1) While yes, those recently vaccinated with MMR can shed measles as shown in assorted research ofn this, it's of scant quantity (i.e. requires high "cycle times" for lab equipment to even detect it on a nasal specimen)
2) The shedding of vaccine derived measles, a weakened/attenuated virus, is generally NOT contagious nor associated with outbreak nor this particular outbreak
3) Researchers can discern which type of measles it is (wild type vs vaccine derived) and the outbreak (in a community with known poor vaccine uptake) is not related to measles vaccination. Texas Health Dept actually tested this and found the measles is associated with D8 - known wild type, not from a vaccine.

STOP GETTING YOUR SCIENCE INFORMATION FROM NON-SCIENTIFIC SOURCES! IF YOU LIST CHILDREN'S HEALTH DEFENSE OR ANYONE ASSOCIATED WITH IT, WE CAN ASSUME YOU NEVER TOOK A RESEARCH/STATISTICS/CRITICAL THINKING CLASS IN YOUR LIFE.

Also, please seek help:

https://www.addictioncenter.com/behavioral-addictions/conspiracy-theory-addiction/

The bolded is important. I have discovered that many Anti vaxxers don't know this.

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Information about measles from Johns Hopkins

Is measles dangerous?

Yes. Here in the U.S., about 1 in 5 unvaccinated people will require hospitalization from measles. In 2024, that rate was even higher—about 40% of people with measles were hospitalized. Measles can also lead to more severe issues, including pneumonia, encephalitis, brain damage, and pregnancy complications. Complications of measles can occur in anyone, including in healthy children and adults.

Scientists have found that measles wipes out the body’s memory of bacteria and viruses. This weakens your immune system, making you more likely to get sick from other diseases. This effect can last for years."

Another thing to consider: if you or your child has recently had COVID, your immune system may be weaker than normal.

Insurance should not pay for hospitalization of unvaccinated children.

Oh, here we go again! Hypocrites at their best and one of the reasons we are enjoying current administration. You really deserve what's happening now. And you will never win because of the vile rhetoric like this.

I loathe Trump and MAGAS who are the ones who don't vaccinate their children!

Well that’s just a teeny tiny number
The ones who are most likely to not vaccinate are very liberal, natural living , crunchy moms.

The crunchy moms I know were hoping RFKjr would run for president. When he dropped out and Trump pretty much immediately said he would get RFKjr on his team, the crunchy moms decided to vote for Trump. As soon as this happened, my friend who is a 68 year old major feminist made a post calling Harris a bimbo. She now believes Kennedy indicted the fired CDC employees because of their crimes against humanity ("pushing vaccines").

But also yes there are absolutely ultra crunchy moms who voted for Trump the first time. Lots of very religious trad wife types (before that was even a term) share the same beliefs as MAGA.