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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Anyone here informed about “shedding”?[/quote]

Viral shedding?[/quote]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0264410X16300895

"There is no documented evidence of measles vaccine virus transmission."

we may need this in capital letters for the nutjob that posted that prior comment.

While yes, scant attenuated measles virus can be isolated from someone recently vaccinated for up to a few weeks after vaccination, with very high cycle times (meaning the lab equipment repeatedly looks for the virus and keeps cycling over and over again - the higher the cycle time, the less virus is present)

"THERE IS NO DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE OF MEASLES VACCINE VIRUS TRANSMISSION"

In other words, the verrrrrrry tiny bit of weakened vaccine derived virus shed by a person recently vaccinated does not actually lead to infection of others in the real world.
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Shedding is a general term referring to the virion shedding from an infected host.  The reason why this is an uncomfortable conversation is because it also refers to vaccinated people shedding the virus they are infected with with or without any symptoms.  Vaccines can blunt the symptoms and make the infection milder but may not always prevent transmission. It's possible for people vaccinated against Measles to spread (e.g. shed measles virus) to others.  They may not show characteristic symptoms. [/quote]

I get that. But in vaccine conspiracy theory circles, social media, etc., they will point to shedding of measles being caused by the vaccine itself, implying that vaccination causes outbreaks. And yes there is research that shows that scant amounts of vaccine type measles can identified for a few weeks after vaccination via PCR testing of nasal specimens. However, most importantly, shedding of the vaccine type virus (which is an attenuated, weakened form) is not associated with transmission or outbreak nor is it associated with the TX outbreak. Social media posta implying overwise are false. [/quote]

Ok, This isn't what is automatically implied by "shedding", anyone can look up this term and what it means.  The controversy is that vaccinated aren't automatically excluded from the equation of transmission/outbreak even when it's proven to be wild virus and they show no symptoms.  In other words,[b] transmission cannot be blamed on the unvaxxed only.[/b]   If you received your vaccines (my kids did) or you had the virus, then you should be protected enough from the ill effects of this virus and especially and most importantly, complications. So, I am not worried and I think this is politicized.  [/quote]

This is why herd immunity keeps us all healthier. Vaccines aren’t 100% effective, and we need a low disease prevalence to prevent illness. [/quote]

We have herd immunity.  Vast majority is vaxxed. Especially in places where it's popping up now, so what gives? [/quote]

We are actually below herd immunity rate for measles, needs to be 95 percent but US is around 90 percent with various communities lower than that. People are generally not worried for themselves but frustrated with declining vaccination rates and am HHS leader who touts vaccine as a personal choice - which may drive rates even lower.

The lower the rates and the more our leaders embrace a "personal choice" attitude toward vaccines line MMR, it puts those who cannot be vaccinated - like young babies - at risk. Specifically for measles where it is so contagious, one person exercising "personal choice" puts all babies, immunosuppressed, etc in their vicinity, at risk if and when that person gets infected.

Not worried about measles for ourselves but we do actually care about other babies and people  If you do not care about other people (and babies!), go to another thread and do not post here. [/quote]
+1 From the article in the OP: 
“In Gaines County, Texas, the epicenter of the current outbreak, the vaccine exemption rate was nearly 18% for the 2023-2024 school year, according to health department data.”[/quote]
Isn’t Texas the epicenter of migrants?[/quote]

The outbreak is centered in the Mennonite community but your knee jerk racism is noted. [/quote]

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