Hayfield Football Coach Fired

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Anonymous wrote:Its 42-0 and not halftime yet.

Washington and Liberty and Madison at blowing teams out in a similar fashion. Guess its ok for some schools to do it.

When they are blowing away a school like South County 63 to zero, something is definitely amiss.

SoCo traditionally beats Hayfield by a wide margin.

Last year, SoCo beat Hayfield 53 to 9.

That is a tremendous point swing between the two schools, statistically impossible unless something untowardly happened.

Last year, Madison beat SoCo by only 1 touchdown, 21-14.

Based on how Hayfield trounced SoCo, Hayfield is going to completely embarrass Madison when they meet in the playoffs.

Madison is going to lose by 50 to 60 points, and will probably not score once.

Ok so So County ran the score up on Hayfield last year. 63-0 was payback. The Chantilly coach was mouthing off before last weeks game before Chantilly got what they got. What goes around comes back sometimes.

If you believe that you’re a fool. Everyone knows the program is corrupt. They are Freedom High School 2.0 and it’s not right. Freedom was scoring 50 points by halftime last year in the playoffs. Overtons ego and willingness to job the system are pathetic. He needs to move to a private school where his competition recruits heavily unlike the majority of public schools. His reputation outside Hayfield is not good.

Coaches with bad coaching reputations don’t get the Coach of the Year award. Of course there are people that don’t want to see him win out of jealousy or because he is Black, but that comes with the territory.

Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022 grads. Both of whom were very involved in not athletics and neither of whom of who had the talent or desire to play junior junior junior varsity anything (unless we are, in fact, counting marching band— which does require some athleticism, or at least the stamina to manage 8 hour days marching in August). But, I’m off of work sick today and this thread is an interesting read. I didn’t realize how much less drama there has been in my life since my kids graduated.

And I keep seeing the “you must be racist against the coach” comments. Which seems like BS. I grew up and went to high school at a Friday Night Lights type school in the 1980s in the South. And most football coaches were black and there was plenty of racism. But there really was not against football coaches, who were treated like Gods by pretty much everyone at the high school

Anyway, my high school had fewer than 500 kids (total, not graduates a year— my graduating class was 105 kids). And even they had multiple football coaches (who also classified as teachers and had to teach actual classes, which was a joke, but anyway…) So, if a program is the size of Chantilly, it has a head varsity coach, head JV coach, head offensive coach, head defensive coach, maybe someone in charge of special teams. And I imagine at at a school with 3000 kids, the head, offensive, and defensive and whatever coaches also all have assistance coaches. Right? So, way more than one football coach per high school.

So here’s the question, if you take the 5 or so “most important” football coaches per high school, however that is defined— say head varsity, asst varsity, head O, head D and head JV— or whatever. Multiply by 24 non-magnet, non-alternative HSs. That’s 120 “important” football coaches in FCPS. Out of those 120 coaches, how many are Black? Is it 2-3? (Hayfield has one of the few Black coaches) or 40-50 (which would be my guess- a reasonably equal Black/ white split of coaches?). Or 70-80 (Black coaches are way, way overrepresented)?

For reference, Fairfax County is 11.5% Black, or 5.75% Black men. So, if the distribution of coaches followed population, there would be 7-8 Black male coaches. Considering almost all coaches or men, a normal distribution would be 13-14 Black men, based on the percentage of the population that is Black men.

You see where I’m going with this, right? If there are only a handful of Black coaches and Hayfield having a Black coach is highly unusual and FCPS Black football coaches are underrepresented based on their population, then maybe some of the treatment he is receiving is racist. Certainly FCPS would appear to have something strange going on with the race of its football coaches systemically. If, OTOH, there are 40 Black football coaches and they are overrepresented based on their population, where is the racism? Especially if the other 39 or 49 or whatever Black Coaches don’t have these types of allegations against them. If Black coaches are way over represented and 39 Black FCPS coaches are doing fine and 1 has problems, there isn’t some complex conspiracy. Maybe that 1 coach is actually a problem.

So, how many Black coaches in FCPS are not having problems?

The white supremacists don’t mind a Black coach, if that Black coach supports white supremacy. They won’t mind a Black coach, if the Black coach is losing. However, when there is a Black coach who is winning and doesn’t support white supremacy, then there is a problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its 42-0 and not halftime yet.

Washington and Liberty and Madison at blowing teams out in a similar fashion. Guess its ok for some schools to do it.

When they are blowing away a school like South County 63 to zero, something is definitely amiss.

SoCo traditionally beats Hayfield by a wide margin.

Last year, SoCo beat Hayfield 53 to 9.

That is a tremendous point swing between the two schools, statistically impossible unless something untowardly happened.

Last year, Madison beat SoCo by only 1 touchdown, 21-14.

Based on how Hayfield trounced SoCo, Hayfield is going to completely embarrass Madison when they meet in the playoffs.

Madison is going to lose by 50 to 60 points, and will probably not score once.

Ok so So County ran the score up on Hayfield last year. 63-0 was payback. The Chantilly coach was mouthing off before last weeks game before Chantilly got what they got. What goes around comes back sometimes.

If you believe that you’re a fool. Everyone knows the program is corrupt. They are Freedom High School 2.0 and it’s not right. Freedom was scoring 50 points by halftime last year in the playoffs. Overtons ego and willingness to job the system are pathetic. He needs to move to a private school where his competition recruits heavily unlike the majority of public schools. His reputation outside Hayfield is not good.

Coaches with bad coaching reputations don’t get the Coach of the Year award. Of course there are people that don’t want to see him win out of jealousy or because he is Black, but that comes with the territory.

Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022 grads. Both of whom were very involved in not athletics and neither of whom of who had the talent or desire to play junior junior junior varsity anything (unless we are, in fact, counting marching band— which does require some athleticism, or at least the stamina to manage 8 hour days marching in August). But, I’m off of work sick today and this thread is an interesting read. I didn’t realize how much less drama there has been in my life since my kids graduated.

And I keep seeing the “you must be racist against the coach” comments. Which seems like BS. I grew up and went to high school at a Friday Night Lights type school in the 1980s in the South. And most football coaches were black and there was plenty of racism. But there really was not against football coaches, who were treated like Gods by pretty much everyone at the high school

Anyway, my high school had fewer than 500 kids (total, not graduates a year— my graduating class was 105 kids). And even they had multiple football coaches (who also classified as teachers and had to teach actual classes, which was a joke, but anyway…) So, if a program is the size of Chantilly, it has a head varsity coach, head JV coach, head offensive coach, head defensive coach, maybe someone in charge of special teams. And I imagine at at a school with 3000 kids, the head, offensive, and defensive and whatever coaches also all have assistance coaches. Right? So, way more than one football coach per high school.

So here’s the question, if you take the 5 or so “most important” football coaches per high school, however that is defined— say head varsity, asst varsity, head O, head D and head JV— or whatever. Multiply by 24 non-magnet, non-alternative HSs. That’s 120 “important” football coaches in FCPS. Out of those 120 coaches, how many are Black? Is it 2-3? (Hayfield has one of the few Black coaches) or 40-50 (which would be my guess- a reasonably equal Black/ white split of coaches?). Or 70-80 (Black coaches are way, way overrepresented)?

For reference, Fairfax County is 11.5% Black, or 5.75% Black men. So, if the distribution of coaches followed population, there would be 7-8 Black male coaches. Considering almost all coaches or men, a normal distribution would be 13-14 Black men, based on the percentage of the population that is Black men.

You see where I’m going with this, right? If there are only a handful of Black coaches and Hayfield having a Black coach is highly unusual and FCPS Black football coaches are underrepresented based on their population, then maybe some of the treatment he is receiving is racist. Certainly FCPS would appear to have something strange going on with the race of its football coaches systemically. If, OTOH, there are 40 Black football coaches and they are overrepresented based on their population, where is the racism? Especially if the other 39 or 49 or whatever Black Coaches don’t have these types of allegations against them. If Black coaches are way over represented and 39 Black FCPS coaches are doing fine and 1 has problems, there isn’t some complex conspiracy. Maybe that 1 coach is actually a problem.

So, how many Black coaches in FCPS are not having problems?

The white supremacists don’t mind a Black coach, if that Black coach supports white supremacy. They won’t mind a Black coach, if the Black coach is losing. However, when there is a Black coach who is winning and doesn’t support white supremacy, then there is a problem.

PP here. So what you are saying is that of the 120 “main” football coaches in FCPS, something like 45 are Black, and of those 44 have losing records and/or support white supremacy. And only one lone hero in the entire county manages to both have a winning record and not be a Black Nazi. Talk about racist!

Your scenario just does not seem likely. What seems likely is that half of the Black coaches have winning records, half have losing records, almost none are BLack Mazis and the actual problem is the one Hayfield Coach and not the other 44 Black coaches being losers and/or Black white supremacists.

Also, you’re a really gross excuse for a human being. I absolutely agree racism is a problem in 2024. In fact, it’s more of a problem now than it was 5 years ago because SCOTUS has eliminated programs to address it. But you’ve decided to ignore or discount actual racism and instead call the people condemning a non race based scandal racists.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its 42-0 and not halftime yet.

Washington and Liberty and Madison at blowing teams out in a similar fashion. Guess its ok for some schools to do it.

When they are blowing away a school like South County 63 to zero, something is definitely amiss.

SoCo traditionally beats Hayfield by a wide margin.

Last year, SoCo beat Hayfield 53 to 9.

That is a tremendous point swing between the two schools, statistically impossible unless something untowardly happened.

Last year, Madison beat SoCo by only 1 touchdown, 21-14.

Based on how Hayfield trounced SoCo, Hayfield is going to completely embarrass Madison when they meet in the playoffs.

Madison is going to lose by 50 to 60 points, and will probably not score once.

Ok so So County ran the score up on Hayfield last year. 63-0 was payback. The Chantilly coach was mouthing off before last weeks game before Chantilly got what they got. What goes around comes back sometimes.

If you believe that you’re a fool. Everyone knows the program is corrupt. They are Freedom High School 2.0 and it’s not right. Freedom was scoring 50 points by halftime last year in the playoffs. Overtons ego and willingness to job the system are pathetic. He needs to move to a private school where his competition recruits heavily unlike the majority of public schools. His reputation outside Hayfield is not good.

Coaches with bad coaching reputations don’t get the Coach of the Year award. Of course there are people that don’t want to see him win out of jealousy or because he is Black, but that comes with the territory.

Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022 grads. Both of whom were very involved in not athletics and neither of whom of who had the talent or desire to play junior junior junior varsity anything (unless we are, in fact, counting marching band— which does require some athleticism, or at least the stamina to manage 8 hour days marching in August). But, I’m off of work sick today and this thread is an interesting read. I didn’t realize how much less drama there has been in my life since my kids graduated.

And I keep seeing the “you must be racist against the coach” comments. Which seems like BS. I grew up and went to high school at a Friday Night Lights type school in the 1980s in the South. And most football coaches were black and there was plenty of racism. But there really was not against football coaches, who were treated like Gods by pretty much everyone at the high school

Anyway, my high school had fewer than 500 kids (total, not graduates a year— my graduating class was 105 kids). And even they had multiple football coaches (who also classified as teachers and had to teach actual classes, which was a joke, but anyway…) So, if a program is the size of Chantilly, it has a head varsity coach, head JV coach, head offensive coach, head defensive coach, maybe someone in charge of special teams. And I imagine at at a school with 3000 kids, the head, offensive, and defensive and whatever coaches also all have assistance coaches. Right? So, way more than one football coach per high school.

So here’s the question, if you take the 5 or so “most important” football coaches per high school, however that is defined— say head varsity, asst varsity, head O, head D and head JV— or whatever. Multiply by 24 non-magnet, non-alternative HSs. That’s 120 “important” football coaches in FCPS. Out of those 120 coaches, how many are Black? Is it 2-3? (Hayfield has one of the few Black coaches) or 40-50 (which would be my guess- a reasonably equal Black/ white split of coaches?). Or 70-80 (Black coaches are way, way overrepresented)?

For reference, Fairfax County is 11.5% Black, or 5.75% Black men. So, if the distribution of coaches followed population, there would be 7-8 Black male coaches. Considering almost all coaches or men, a normal distribution would be 13-14 Black men, based on the percentage of the population that is Black men.

You see where I’m going with this, right? If there are only a handful of Black coaches and Hayfield having a Black coach is highly unusual and FCPS Black football coaches are underrepresented based on their population, then maybe some of the treatment he is receiving is racist. Certainly FCPS would appear to have something strange going on with the race of its football coaches systemically. If, OTOH, there are 40 Black football coaches and they are overrepresented based on their population, where is the racism? Especially if the other 39 or 49 or whatever Black Coaches don’t have these types of allegations against them. If Black coaches are way over represented and 39 Black FCPS coaches are doing fine and 1 has problems, there isn’t some complex conspiracy. Maybe that 1 coach is actually a problem.

So, how many Black coaches in FCPS are not having problems?

The white supremacists don’t mind a Black coach, if that Black coach supports white supremacy. They won’t mind a Black coach, if the Black coach is losing. However, when there is a Black coach who is winning and doesn’t support white supremacy, then there is a problem.

PP here. So what you are saying is that of the 120 “main” football coaches in FCPS, something like 45 are Black, and of those 44 have losing records and/or support white supremacy. And only one lone hero in the entire county manages to both have a winning record and not be a Black Nazi. Talk about racist!

Your scenario just does not seem likely. What seems likely is that half of the Black coaches have winning records, half have losing records, almost none are BLack Mazis and the actual problem is the one Hayfield Coach and not the other 44 Black coaches being losers and/or Black white supremacists.

Also, you’re a really gross excuse for a human being. I absolutely agree racism is a problem in 2024. In fact, it’s more of a problem now than it was 5 years ago because SCOTUS has eliminated programs to address it. But you’ve decided to ignore or discount actual racism and instead call the people condemning a non race based scandal racists.

There’s only only one Black football coach in Northern Virginia who coaches a team that has dominated each opponent. And let’s be real, under the system of white supremacy, any Black coach in an region where Blacks are the minority which has a team with a bunch of Black players is not gonna be accepted by the dominant society when his team is just destroying the opposition the way Hayfield is.

There are similar dominant teams coached by white men that aren’t "organic” in Northern Virginia, nearby Maryland, and nearby West Virginia that just don’t get the same hate.

Why are you people just so afraid to admit that there is some racism here? It’s that much a big deal. Things have always been this way in a white dominated society when in comes to Blacks in sports. In the 80’s, the Georgetown Hoyas were not favored by most white fans. It’s just racism, that’s all.

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This is BS. Hayfield embarked on a coordinated plan to give Overton a place to land after he was booted from Prince William and build a football powerhouse. The principal, much of the staff, and the coach were all in on the plan, and did what they could to make it happen and make those who had misgivings feel unwelcome at Hayfield. It's more like a hostile takeover than a typical team.

You can keep arguing that laws weren't violated, but that's almost besides the point. Hayfield has still embarrassed itself, its opponents, and most of all FCPS leadership, which revealed itself too feckless to step in and discourage what has happened there. Michelle Reid is a weakling and a failure.

This. 1000 percent this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its 42-0 and not halftime yet.

Washington and Liberty and Madison at blowing teams out in a similar fashion. Guess its ok for some schools to do it.

When they are blowing away a school like South County 63 to zero, something is definitely amiss.

SoCo traditionally beats Hayfield by a wide margin.

Last year, SoCo beat Hayfield 53 to 9.

That is a tremendous point swing between the two schools, statistically impossible unless something untowardly happened.

Last year, Madison beat SoCo by only 1 touchdown, 21-14.

Based on how Hayfield trounced SoCo, Hayfield is going to completely embarrass Madison when they meet in the playoffs.

Madison is going to lose by 50 to 60 points, and will probably not score once.

Ok so So County ran the score up on Hayfield last year. 63-0 was payback. The Chantilly coach was mouthing off before last weeks game before Chantilly got what they got. What goes around comes back sometimes.

If you believe that you’re a fool. Everyone knows the program is corrupt. They are Freedom High School 2.0 and it’s not right. Freedom was scoring 50 points by halftime last year in the playoffs. Overtons ego and willingness to job the system are pathetic. He needs to move to a private school where his competition recruits heavily unlike the majority of public schools. His reputation outside Hayfield is not good.

Coaches with bad coaching reputations don’t get the Coach of the Year award. Of course there are people that don’t want to see him win out of jealousy or because he is Black, but that comes with the territory.

Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022 grads. Both of whom were very involved in not athletics and neither of whom of who had the talent or desire to play junior junior junior varsity anything (unless we are, in fact, counting marching band— which does require some athleticism, or at least the stamina to manage 8 hour days marching in August). But, I’m off of work sick today and this thread is an interesting read. I didn’t realize how much less drama there has been in my life since my kids graduated.

And I keep seeing the “you must be racist against the coach” comments. Which seems like BS. I grew up and went to high school at a Friday Night Lights type school in the 1980s in the South. And most football coaches were black and there was plenty of racism. But there really was not against football coaches, who were treated like Gods by pretty much everyone at the high school

Anyway, my high school had fewer than 500 kids (total, not graduates a year— my graduating class was 105 kids). And even they had multiple football coaches (who also classified as teachers and had to teach actual classes, which was a joke, but anyway…) So, if a program is the size of Chantilly, it has a head varsity coach, head JV coach, head offensive coach, head defensive coach, maybe someone in charge of special teams. And I imagine at at a school with 3000 kids, the head, offensive, and defensive and whatever coaches also all have assistance coaches. Right? So, way more than one football coach per high school.

So here’s the question, if you take the 5 or so “most important” football coaches per high school, however that is defined— say head varsity, asst varsity, head O, head D and head JV— or whatever. Multiply by 24 non-magnet, non-alternative HSs. That’s 120 “important” football coaches in FCPS. Out of those 120 coaches, how many are Black? Is it 2-3? (Hayfield has one of the few Black coaches) or 40-50 (which would be my guess- a reasonably equal Black/ white split of coaches?). Or 70-80 (Black coaches are way, way overrepresented)?

For reference, Fairfax County is 11.5% Black, or 5.75% Black men. So, if the distribution of coaches followed population, there would be 7-8 Black male coaches. Considering almost all coaches or men, a normal distribution would be 13-14 Black men, based on the percentage of the population that is Black men.

You see where I’m going with this, right? If there are only a handful of Black coaches and Hayfield having a Black coach is highly unusual and FCPS Black football coaches are underrepresented based on their population, then maybe some of the treatment he is receiving is racist. Certainly FCPS would appear to have something strange going on with the race of its football coaches systemically. If, OTOH, there are 40 Black football coaches and they are overrepresented based on their population, where is the racism? Especially if the other 39 or 49 or whatever Black Coaches don’t have these types of allegations against them. If Black coaches are way over represented and 39 Black FCPS coaches are doing fine and 1 has problems, there isn’t some complex conspiracy. Maybe that 1 coach is actually a problem.

So, how many Black coaches in FCPS are not having problems?

"Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022" – Translation: You’ve never touched a field in your life. TJ's idea of 'sports' since 2020 is laughable at best. And seriously, claiming Black people are 'over-represented'? Just admit it—you’re a bigot without having to say it outright.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its 42-0 and not halftime yet.

Washington and Liberty and Madison at blowing teams out in a similar fashion. Guess its ok for some schools to do it.

When they are blowing away a school like South County 63 to zero, something is definitely amiss.

SoCo traditionally beats Hayfield by a wide margin.

Last year, SoCo beat Hayfield 53 to 9.

That is a tremendous point swing between the two schools, statistically impossible unless something untowardly happened.

Last year, Madison beat SoCo by only 1 touchdown, 21-14.

Based on how Hayfield trounced SoCo, Hayfield is going to completely embarrass Madison when they meet in the playoffs.

Madison is going to lose by 50 to 60 points, and will probably not score once.

Ok so So County ran the score up on Hayfield last year. 63-0 was payback. The Chantilly coach was mouthing off before last weeks game before Chantilly got what they got. What goes around comes back sometimes.

If you believe that you’re a fool. Everyone knows the program is corrupt. They are Freedom High School 2.0 and it’s not right. Freedom was scoring 50 points by halftime last year in the playoffs. Overtons ego and willingness to job the system are pathetic. He needs to move to a private school where his competition recruits heavily unlike the majority of public schools. His reputation outside Hayfield is not good.

Coaches with bad coaching reputations don’t get the Coach of the Year award. Of course there are people that don’t want to see him win out of jealousy or because he is Black, but that comes with the territory.

Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022 grads. Both of whom were very involved in not athletics and neither of whom of who had the talent or desire to play junior junior junior varsity anything (unless we are, in fact, counting marching band— which does require some athleticism, or at least the stamina to manage 8 hour days marching in August). But, I’m off of work sick today and this thread is an interesting read. I didn’t realize how much less drama there has been in my life since my kids graduated.

And I keep seeing the “you must be racist against the coach” comments. Which seems like BS. I grew up and went to high school at a Friday Night Lights type school in the 1980s in the South. And most football coaches were black and there was plenty of racism. But there really was not against football coaches, who were treated like Gods by pretty much everyone at the high school

Anyway, my high school had fewer than 500 kids (total, not graduates a year— my graduating class was 105 kids). And even they had multiple football coaches (who also classified as teachers and had to teach actual classes, which was a joke, but anyway…) So, if a program is the size of Chantilly, it has a head varsity coach, head JV coach, head offensive coach, head defensive coach, maybe someone in charge of special teams. And I imagine at at a school with 3000 kids, the head, offensive, and defensive and whatever coaches also all have assistance coaches. Right? So, way more than one football coach per high school.

So here’s the question, if you take the 5 or so “most important” football coaches per high school, however that is defined— say head varsity, asst varsity, head O, head D and head JV— or whatever. Multiply by 24 non-magnet, non-alternative HSs. That’s 120 “important” football coaches in FCPS. Out of those 120 coaches, how many are Black? Is it 2-3? (Hayfield has one of the few Black coaches) or 40-50 (which would be my guess- a reasonably equal Black/ white split of coaches?). Or 70-80 (Black coaches are way, way overrepresented)?

For reference, Fairfax County is 11.5% Black, or 5.75% Black men. So, if the distribution of coaches followed population, there would be 7-8 Black male coaches. Considering almost all coaches or men, a normal distribution would be 13-14 Black men, based on the percentage of the population that is Black men.

You see where I’m going with this, right? If there are only a handful of Black coaches and Hayfield having a Black coach is highly unusual and FCPS Black football coaches are underrepresented based on their population, then maybe some of the treatment he is receiving is racist. Certainly FCPS would appear to have something strange going on with the race of its football coaches systemically. If, OTOH, there are 40 Black football coaches and they are overrepresented based on their population, where is the racism? Especially if the other 39 or 49 or whatever Black Coaches don’t have these types of allegations against them. If Black coaches are way over represented and 39 Black FCPS coaches are doing fine and 1 has problems, there isn’t some complex conspiracy. Maybe that 1 coach is actually a problem.

So, how many Black coaches in FCPS are not having problems?

"Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022" – Translation: You’ve never touched a field in your life. TJ's idea of 'sports' since 2020 is laughable at best. And seriously, claiming Black people are 'over-represented'? Just admit it—you’re a bigot without having to say it outright.

My kids played youth sports in Chantilly. That’s white supremacist central. There threads in the sports section of dcum about racism in CYA or Chantilly Youth Association.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its 42-0 and not halftime yet.

Washington and Liberty and Madison at blowing teams out in a similar fashion. Guess its ok for some schools to do it.

When they are blowing away a school like South County 63 to zero, something is definitely amiss.

SoCo traditionally beats Hayfield by a wide margin.

Last year, SoCo beat Hayfield 53 to 9.

That is a tremendous point swing between the two schools, statistically impossible unless something untowardly happened.

Last year, Madison beat SoCo by only 1 touchdown, 21-14.

Based on how Hayfield trounced SoCo, Hayfield is going to completely embarrass Madison when they meet in the playoffs.

Madison is going to lose by 50 to 60 points, and will probably not score once.

Ok so So County ran the score up on Hayfield last year. 63-0 was payback. The Chantilly coach was mouthing off before last weeks game before Chantilly got what they got. What goes around comes back sometimes.

If you believe that you’re a fool. Everyone knows the program is corrupt. They are Freedom High School 2.0 and it’s not right. Freedom was scoring 50 points by halftime last year in the playoffs. Overtons ego and willingness to job the system are pathetic. He needs to move to a private school where his competition recruits heavily unlike the majority of public schools. His reputation outside Hayfield is not good.

Coaches with bad coaching reputations don’t get the Coach of the Year award. Of course there are people that don’t want to see him win out of jealousy or because he is Black, but that comes with the territory.

Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022 grads. Both of whom were very involved in not athletics and neither of whom of who had the talent or desire to play junior junior junior varsity anything (unless we are, in fact, counting marching band— which does require some athleticism, or at least the stamina to manage 8 hour days marching in August). But, I’m off of work sick today and this thread is an interesting read. I didn’t realize how much less drama there has been in my life since my kids graduated.

And I keep seeing the “you must be racist against the coach” comments. Which seems like BS. I grew up and went to high school at a Friday Night Lights type school in the 1980s in the South. And most football coaches were black and there was plenty of racism. But there really was not against football coaches, who were treated like Gods by pretty much everyone at the high school

Anyway, my high school had fewer than 500 kids (total, not graduates a year— my graduating class was 105 kids). And even they had multiple football coaches (who also classified as teachers and had to teach actual classes, which was a joke, but anyway…) So, if a program is the size of Chantilly, it has a head varsity coach, head JV coach, head offensive coach, head defensive coach, maybe someone in charge of special teams. And I imagine at at a school with 3000 kids, the head, offensive, and defensive and whatever coaches also all have assistance coaches. Right? So, way more than one football coach per high school.

So here’s the question, if you take the 5 or so “most important” football coaches per high school, however that is defined— say head varsity, asst varsity, head O, head D and head JV— or whatever. Multiply by 24 non-magnet, non-alternative HSs. That’s 120 “important” football coaches in FCPS. Out of those 120 coaches, how many are Black? Is it 2-3? (Hayfield has one of the few Black coaches) or 40-50 (which would be my guess- a reasonably equal Black/ white split of coaches?). Or 70-80 (Black coaches are way, way overrepresented)?

For reference, Fairfax County is 11.5% Black, or 5.75% Black men. So, if the distribution of coaches followed population, there would be 7-8 Black male coaches. Considering almost all coaches or men, a normal distribution would be 13-14 Black men, based on the percentage of the population that is Black men.

You see where I’m going with this, right? If there are only a handful of Black coaches and Hayfield having a Black coach is highly unusual and FCPS Black football coaches are underrepresented based on their population, then maybe some of the treatment he is receiving is racist. Certainly FCPS would appear to have something strange going on with the race of its football coaches systemically. If, OTOH, there are 40 Black football coaches and they are overrepresented based on their population, where is the racism? Especially if the other 39 or 49 or whatever Black Coaches don’t have these types of allegations against them. If Black coaches are way over represented and 39 Black FCPS coaches are doing fine and 1 has problems, there isn’t some complex conspiracy. Maybe that 1 coach is actually a problem.

So, how many Black coaches in FCPS are not having problems?

The white supremacists don’t mind a Black coach, if that Black coach supports white supremacy. They won’t mind a Black coach, if the Black coach is losing. However, when there is a Black coach who is winning and doesn’t support white supremacy, then there is a problem.

PP here. So what you are saying is that of the 120 “main” football coaches in FCPS, something like 45 are Black, and of those 44 have losing records and/or support white supremacy. And only one lone hero in the entire county manages to both have a winning record and not be a Black Nazi. Talk about racist!

Your scenario just does not seem likely. What seems likely is that half of the Black coaches have winning records, half have losing records, almost none are BLack Mazis and the actual problem is the one Hayfield Coach and not the other 44 Black coaches being losers and/or Black white supremacists.

Also, you’re a really gross excuse for a human being. I absolutely agree racism is a problem in 2024. In fact, it’s more of a problem now than it was 5 years ago because SCOTUS has eliminated programs to address it. But you’ve decided to ignore or discount actual racism and instead call the people condemning a non race based scandal racists.

You don’t seem to have a problem with the 44 that are losing. It’s the guy that’s winning that you have a problem with.

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Anonymous wrote:Its 42-0 and not halftime yet.

Washington and Liberty and Madison at blowing teams out in a similar fashion. Guess its ok for some schools to do it.

When they are blowing away a school like South County 63 to zero, something is definitely amiss.

SoCo traditionally beats Hayfield by a wide margin.

Last year, SoCo beat Hayfield 53 to 9.

That is a tremendous point swing between the two schools, statistically impossible unless something untowardly happened.

Last year, Madison beat SoCo by only 1 touchdown, 21-14.

Based on how Hayfield trounced SoCo, Hayfield is going to completely embarrass Madison when they meet in the playoffs.

Madison is going to lose by 50 to 60 points, and will probably not score once.

Ok so So County ran the score up on Hayfield last year. 63-0 was payback. The Chantilly coach was mouthing off before last weeks game before Chantilly got what they got. What goes around comes back sometimes.

If you believe that you’re a fool. Everyone knows the program is corrupt. They are Freedom High School 2.0 and it’s not right. Freedom was scoring 50 points by halftime last year in the playoffs. Overtons ego and willingness to job the system are pathetic. He needs to move to a private school where his competition recruits heavily unlike the majority of public schools. His reputation outside Hayfield is not good.

Coaches with bad coaching reputations don’t get the Coach of the Year award. Of course there are people that don’t want to see him win out of jealousy or because he is Black, but that comes with the territory.

Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022 grads. Both of whom were very involved in not athletics and neither of whom of who had the talent or desire to play junior junior junior varsity anything (unless we are, in fact, counting marching band— which does require some athleticism, or at least the stamina to manage 8 hour days marching in August). But, I’m off of work sick today and this thread is an interesting read. I didn’t realize how much less drama there has been in my life since my kids graduated.

And I keep seeing the “you must be racist against the coach” comments. Which seems like BS. I grew up and went to high school at a Friday Night Lights type school in the 1980s in the South. And most football coaches were black and there was plenty of racism. But there really was not against football coaches, who were treated like Gods by pretty much everyone at the high school

Anyway, my high school had fewer than 500 kids (total, not graduates a year— my graduating class was 105 kids). And even they had multiple football coaches (who also classified as teachers and had to teach actual classes, which was a joke, but anyway…) So, if a program is the size of Chantilly, it has a head varsity coach, head JV coach, head offensive coach, head defensive coach, maybe someone in charge of special teams. And I imagine at at a school with 3000 kids, the head, offensive, and defensive and whatever coaches also all have assistance coaches. Right? So, way more than one football coach per high school.

So here’s the question, if you take the 5 or so “most important” football coaches per high school, however that is defined— say head varsity, asst varsity, head O, head D and head JV— or whatever. Multiply by 24 non-magnet, non-alternative HSs. That’s 120 “important” football coaches in FCPS. Out of those 120 coaches, how many are Black? Is it 2-3? (Hayfield has one of the few Black coaches) or 40-50 (which would be my guess- a reasonably equal Black/ white split of coaches?). Or 70-80 (Black coaches are way, way overrepresented)?

For reference, Fairfax County is 11.5% Black, or 5.75% Black men. So, if the distribution of coaches followed population, there would be 7-8 Black male coaches. Considering almost all coaches or men, a normal distribution would be 13-14 Black men, based on the percentage of the population that is Black men.

You see where I’m going with this, right? If there are only a handful of Black coaches and Hayfield having a Black coach is highly unusual and FCPS Black football coaches are underrepresented based on their population, then maybe some of the treatment he is receiving is racist. Certainly FCPS would appear to have something strange going on with the race of its football coaches systemically. If, OTOH, there are 40 Black football coaches and they are overrepresented based on their population, where is the racism? Especially if the other 39 or 49 or whatever Black Coaches don’t have these types of allegations against them. If Black coaches are way over represented and 39 Black FCPS coaches are doing fine and 1 has problems, there isn’t some complex conspiracy. Maybe that 1 coach is actually a problem.

So, how many Black coaches in FCPS are not having problems?

The white supremacists don’t mind a Black coach, if that Black coach supports white supremacy. They won’t mind a Black coach, if the Black coach is losing. However, when there is a Black coach who is winning and doesn’t support white supremacy, then there is a problem.

PP here. So what you are saying is that of the 120 “main” football coaches in FCPS, something like 45 are Black, and of those 44 have losing records and/or support white supremacy. And only one lone hero in the entire county manages to both have a winning record and not be a Black Nazi. Talk about racist!

Your scenario just does not seem likely. What seems likely is that half of the Black coaches have winning records, half have losing records, almost none are BLack Mazis and the actual problem is the one Hayfield Coach and not the other 44 Black coaches being losers and/or Black white supremacists.

Also, you’re a really gross excuse for a human being. I absolutely agree racism is a problem in 2024. In fact, it’s more of a problem now than it was 5 years ago because SCOTUS has eliminated programs to address it. But you’ve decided to ignore or discount actual racism and instead call the people condemning a non race based scandal racists.

You don’t seem to have a problem with the 44 that are losing. It’s the guy that’s winning that you have a problem with.

People have a problem with the cheating: a white coach who showed up for a new coaching gig at a PUBLIC high school with an entourage of 33 transfer students from all across the DMV, as well as assorted adult thieves, druggies, and cult-ish hangers would be equally derided and held in contempt.

Some might say its racist for you to have such low standards for behavior from a Black coach. Why don't you expect integrity and sportsmanship fromw coach who is Black?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its 42-0 and not halftime yet.

Washington and Liberty and Madison at blowing teams out in a similar fashion. Guess its ok for some schools to do it.

When they are blowing away a school like South County 63 to zero, something is definitely amiss.

SoCo traditionally beats Hayfield by a wide margin.

Last year, SoCo beat Hayfield 53 to 9.

That is a tremendous point swing between the two schools, statistically impossible unless something untowardly happened.

Last year, Madison beat SoCo by only 1 touchdown, 21-14.

Based on how Hayfield trounced SoCo, Hayfield is going to completely embarrass Madison when they meet in the playoffs.

Madison is going to lose by 50 to 60 points, and will probably not score once.

Ok so So County ran the score up on Hayfield last year. 63-0 was payback. The Chantilly coach was mouthing off before last weeks game before Chantilly got what they got. What goes around comes back sometimes.

If you believe that you’re a fool. Everyone knows the program is corrupt. They are Freedom High School 2.0 and it’s not right. Freedom was scoring 50 points by halftime last year in the playoffs. Overtons ego and willingness to job the system are pathetic. He needs to move to a private school where his competition recruits heavily unlike the majority of public schools. His reputation outside Hayfield is not good.

Coaches with bad coaching reputations don’t get the Coach of the Year award. Of course there are people that don’t want to see him win out of jealousy or because he is Black, but that comes with the territory.

Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022 grads. Both of whom were very involved in not athletics and neither of whom of who had the talent or desire to play junior junior junior varsity anything (unless we are, in fact, counting marching band— which does require some athleticism, or at least the stamina to manage 8 hour days marching in August). But, I’m off of work sick today and this thread is an interesting read. I didn’t realize how much less drama there has been in my life since my kids graduated.

And I keep seeing the “you must be racist against the coach” comments. Which seems like BS. I grew up and went to high school at a Friday Night Lights type school in the 1980s in the South. And most football coaches were black and there was plenty of racism. But there really was not against football coaches, who were treated like Gods by pretty much everyone at the high school

Anyway, my high school had fewer than 500 kids (total, not graduates a year— my graduating class was 105 kids). And even they had multiple football coaches (who also classified as teachers and had to teach actual classes, which was a joke, but anyway…) So, if a program is the size of Chantilly, it has a head varsity coach, head JV coach, head offensive coach, head defensive coach, maybe someone in charge of special teams. And I imagine at at a school with 3000 kids, the head, offensive, and defensive and whatever coaches also all have assistance coaches. Right? So, way more than one football coach per high school.

So here’s the question, if you take the 5 or so “most important” football coaches per high school, however that is defined— say head varsity, asst varsity, head O, head D and head JV— or whatever. Multiply by 24 non-magnet, non-alternative HSs. That’s 120 “important” football coaches in FCPS. Out of those 120 coaches, how many are Black? Is it 2-3? (Hayfield has one of the few Black coaches) or 40-50 (which would be my guess- a reasonably equal Black/ white split of coaches?). Or 70-80 (Black coaches are way, way overrepresented)?

For reference, Fairfax County is 11.5% Black, or 5.75% Black men. So, if the distribution of coaches followed population, there would be 7-8 Black male coaches. Considering almost all coaches or men, a normal distribution would be 13-14 Black men, based on the percentage of the population that is Black men.

You see where I’m going with this, right? If there are only a handful of Black coaches and Hayfield having a Black coach is highly unusual and FCPS Black football coaches are underrepresented based on their population, then maybe some of the treatment he is receiving is racist. Certainly FCPS would appear to have something strange going on with the race of its football coaches systemically. If, OTOH, there are 40 Black football coaches and they are overrepresented based on their population, where is the racism? Especially if the other 39 or 49 or whatever Black Coaches don’t have these types of allegations against them. If Black coaches are way over represented and 39 Black FCPS coaches are doing fine and 1 has problems, there isn’t some complex conspiracy. Maybe that 1 coach is actually a problem.

So, how many Black coaches in FCPS are not having problems?

"Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022" – Translation: You’ve never touched a field in your life. TJ's idea of 'sports' since 2020 is laughable at best. And seriously, claiming Black people are 'over-represented'? Just admit it—you’re a bigot without having to say it outright.

My kids played youth sports in Chantilly. That’s white supremacist central. There threads in the sports section of dcum about racism in CYA or Chantilly Youth Association.

Oh please. It was one poor-loser coach posting over and over again that CYA was racist because his team lost. You could tell it was the same guy--probably you--because of the syntax,

Chantilly area is very diverse and UMC. Not exactly your typical hotbed of racism.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its 42-0 and not halftime yet.

Washington and Liberty and Madison at blowing teams out in a similar fashion. Guess its ok for some schools to do it.

When they are blowing away a school like South County 63 to zero, something is definitely amiss.

SoCo traditionally beats Hayfield by a wide margin.

Last year, SoCo beat Hayfield 53 to 9.

That is a tremendous point swing between the two schools, statistically impossible unless something untowardly happened.

Last year, Madison beat SoCo by only 1 touchdown, 21-14.

Based on how Hayfield trounced SoCo, Hayfield is going to completely embarrass Madison when they meet in the playoffs.

Madison is going to lose by 50 to 60 points, and will probably not score once.

Ok so So County ran the score up on Hayfield last year. 63-0 was payback. The Chantilly coach was mouthing off before last weeks game before Chantilly got what they got. What goes around comes back sometimes.

If you believe that you’re a fool. Everyone knows the program is corrupt. They are Freedom High School 2.0 and it’s not right. Freedom was scoring 50 points by halftime last year in the playoffs. Overtons ego and willingness to job the system are pathetic. He needs to move to a private school where his competition recruits heavily unlike the majority of public schools. His reputation outside Hayfield is not good.

Coaches with bad coaching reputations don’t get the Coach of the Year award. Of course there are people that don’t want to see him win out of jealousy or because he is Black, but that comes with the territory.

Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022 grads. Both of whom were very involved in not athletics and neither of whom of who had the talent or desire to play junior junior junior varsity anything (unless we are, in fact, counting marching band— which does require some athleticism, or at least the stamina to manage 8 hour days marching in August). But, I’m off of work sick today and this thread is an interesting read. I didn’t realize how much less drama there has been in my life since my kids graduated.

And I keep seeing the “you must be racist against the coach” comments. Which seems like BS. I grew up and went to high school at a Friday Night Lights type school in the 1980s in the South. And most football coaches were black and there was plenty of racism. But there really was not against football coaches, who were treated like Gods by pretty much everyone at the high school

Anyway, my high school had fewer than 500 kids (total, not graduates a year— my graduating class was 105 kids). And even they had multiple football coaches (who also classified as teachers and had to teach actual classes, which was a joke, but anyway…) So, if a program is the size of Chantilly, it has a head varsity coach, head JV coach, head offensive coach, head defensive coach, maybe someone in charge of special teams. And I imagine at at a school with 3000 kids, the head, offensive, and defensive and whatever coaches also all have assistance coaches. Right? So, way more than one football coach per high school.

So here’s the question, if you take the 5 or so “most important” football coaches per high school, however that is defined— say head varsity, asst varsity, head O, head D and head JV— or whatever. Multiply by 24 non-magnet, non-alternative HSs. That’s 120 “important” football coaches in FCPS. Out of those 120 coaches, how many are Black? Is it 2-3? (Hayfield has one of the few Black coaches) or 40-50 (which would be my guess- a reasonably equal Black/ white split of coaches?). Or 70-80 (Black coaches are way, way overrepresented)?

For reference, Fairfax County is 11.5% Black, or 5.75% Black men. So, if the distribution of coaches followed population, there would be 7-8 Black male coaches. Considering almost all coaches or men, a normal distribution would be 13-14 Black men, based on the percentage of the population that is Black men.

You see where I’m going with this, right? If there are only a handful of Black coaches and Hayfield having a Black coach is highly unusual and FCPS Black football coaches are underrepresented based on their population, then maybe some of the treatment he is receiving is racist. Certainly FCPS would appear to have something strange going on with the race of its football coaches systemically. If, OTOH, there are 40 Black football coaches and they are overrepresented based on their population, where is the racism? Especially if the other 39 or 49 or whatever Black Coaches don’t have these types of allegations against them. If Black coaches are way over represented and 39 Black FCPS coaches are doing fine and 1 has problems, there isn’t some complex conspiracy. Maybe that 1 coach is actually a problem.

So, how many Black coaches in FCPS are not having problems?

The white supremacists don’t mind a Black coach, if that Black coach supports white supremacy. They won’t mind a Black coach, if the Black coach is losing. However, when there is a Black coach who is winning and doesn’t support white supremacy, then there is a problem.

PP here. So what you are saying is that of the 120 “main” football coaches in FCPS, something like 45 are Black, and of those 44 have losing records and/or support white supremacy. And only one lone hero in the entire county manages to both have a winning record and not be a Black Nazi. Talk about racist!

Your scenario just does not seem likely. What seems likely is that half of the Black coaches have winning records, half have losing records, almost none are BLack Mazis and the actual problem is the one Hayfield Coach and not the other 44 Black coaches being losers and/or Black white supremacists.

Also, you’re a really gross excuse for a human being. I absolutely agree racism is a problem in 2024. In fact, it’s more of a problem now than it was 5 years ago because SCOTUS has eliminated programs to address it. But you’ve decided to ignore or discount actual racism and instead call the people condemning a non race based scandal racists.

You don’t seem to have a problem with the 44 that are losing. It’s the guy that’s winning that you have a problem with.

People have a problem with the cheating: a white coach who showed up for a new coaching gig at a PUBLIC high school with an entourage of 33 transfer students from all across the DMV, as well as assorted adult thieves, druggies, and cult-ish hangers would be equally derided and held in contempt.

Some might say it’s racist for you to have such low standards for behavior from a Black coach. Why don't you expect integrity and sportsmanship fromw coach who is Black?

You are attempting to change the narrative. The authorities have stated publicly that they haven’t found any wrongdoing by the Hayfield staff. There has been some speculation, but a man should be innocent until proven otherwise in this country.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its 42-0 and not halftime yet.

Washington and Liberty and Madison at blowing teams out in a similar fashion. Guess its ok for some schools to do it.

When they are blowing away a school like South County 63 to zero, something is definitely amiss.

SoCo traditionally beats Hayfield by a wide margin.

Last year, SoCo beat Hayfield 53 to 9.

That is a tremendous point swing between the two schools, statistically impossible unless something untowardly happened.

Last year, Madison beat SoCo by only 1 touchdown, 21-14.

Based on how Hayfield trounced SoCo, Hayfield is going to completely embarrass Madison when they meet in the playoffs.

Madison is going to lose by 50 to 60 points, and will probably not score once.

Ok so So County ran the score up on Hayfield last year. 63-0 was payback. The Chantilly coach was mouthing off before last weeks game before Chantilly got what they got. What goes around comes back sometimes.

If you believe that you’re a fool. Everyone knows the program is corrupt. They are Freedom High School 2.0 and it’s not right. Freedom was scoring 50 points by halftime last year in the playoffs. Overtons ego and willingness to job the system are pathetic. He needs to move to a private school where his competition recruits heavily unlike the majority of public schools. His reputation outside Hayfield is not good.

Coaches with bad coaching reputations don’t get the Coach of the Year award. Of course there are people that don’t want to see him win out of jealousy or because he is Black, but that comes with the territory.

Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022 grads. Both of whom were very involved in not athletics and neither of whom of who had the talent or desire to play junior junior junior varsity anything (unless we are, in fact, counting marching band— which does require some athleticism, or at least the stamina to manage 8 hour days marching in August). But, I’m off of work sick today and this thread is an interesting read. I didn’t realize how much less drama there has been in my life since my kids graduated.

And I keep seeing the “you must be racist against the coach” comments. Which seems like BS. I grew up and went to high school at a Friday Night Lights type school in the 1980s in the South. And most football coaches were black and there was plenty of racism. But there really was not against football coaches, who were treated like Gods by pretty much everyone at the high school

Anyway, my high school had fewer than 500 kids (total, not graduates a year— my graduating class was 105 kids). And even they had multiple football coaches (who also classified as teachers and had to teach actual classes, which was a joke, but anyway…) So, if a program is the size of Chantilly, it has a head varsity coach, head JV coach, head offensive coach, head defensive coach, maybe someone in charge of special teams. And I imagine at at a school with 3000 kids, the head, offensive, and defensive and whatever coaches also all have assistance coaches. Right? So, way more than one football coach per high school.

So here’s the question, if you take the 5 or so “most important” football coaches per high school, however that is defined— say head varsity, asst varsity, head O, head D and head JV— or whatever. Multiply by 24 non-magnet, non-alternative HSs. That’s 120 “important” football coaches in FCPS. Out of those 120 coaches, how many are Black? Is it 2-3? (Hayfield has one of the few Black coaches) or 40-50 (which would be my guess- a reasonably equal Black/ white split of coaches?). Or 70-80 (Black coaches are way, way overrepresented)?

For reference, Fairfax County is 11.5% Black, or 5.75% Black men. So, if the distribution of coaches followed population, there would be 7-8 Black male coaches. Considering almost all coaches or men, a normal distribution would be 13-14 Black men, based on the percentage of the population that is Black men.

You see where I’m going with this, right? If there are only a handful of Black coaches and Hayfield having a Black coach is highly unusual and FCPS Black football coaches are underrepresented based on their population, then maybe some of the treatment he is receiving is racist. Certainly FCPS would appear to have something strange going on with the race of its football coaches systemically. If, OTOH, there are 40 Black football coaches and they are overrepresented based on their population, where is the racism? Especially if the other 39 or 49 or whatever Black Coaches don’t have these types of allegations against them. If Black coaches are way over represented and 39 Black FCPS coaches are doing fine and 1 has problems, there isn’t some complex conspiracy. Maybe that 1 coach is actually a problem.

So, how many Black coaches in FCPS are not having problems?

"Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022" – Translation: You’ve never touched a field in your life. TJ's idea of 'sports' since 2020 is laughable at best. And seriously, claiming Black people are 'over-represented'? Just admit it—you’re a bigot without having to say it outright.

My kids played youth sports in Chantilly. That’s white supremacist central. There threads in the sports section of dcum about racism in CYA or Chantilly Youth Association.

Oh please. It was one poor-loser coach posting over and over again that CYA was racist because his team lost. You could tell it was the same guy--probably you--because of the syntax,

Chantilly area is very diverse and UMC. Not exactly your typical hotbed of racism.

CYA is run by rednex. And was even when I was a kid. The "good old boys” still run that. There are multiple threads about CYA on DCUM.

I’ve lived in surrounding areas and know Chantilly well. It’s starting to be diverse with Indians moving in and there have been educated people there so you move around without experiencing the overt racism, but the good old boys run that community.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its 42-0 and not halftime yet.

Washington and Liberty and Madison at blowing teams out in a similar fashion. Guess its ok for some schools to do it.

When they are blowing away a school like South County 63 to zero, something is definitely amiss.

SoCo traditionally beats Hayfield by a wide margin.

Last year, SoCo beat Hayfield 53 to 9.

That is a tremendous point swing between the two schools, statistically impossible unless something untowardly happened.

Last year, Madison beat SoCo by only 1 touchdown, 21-14.

Based on how Hayfield trounced SoCo, Hayfield is going to completely embarrass Madison when they meet in the playoffs.

Madison is going to lose by 50 to 60 points, and will probably not score once.

Ok so So County ran the score up on Hayfield last year. 63-0 was payback. The Chantilly coach was mouthing off before last weeks game before Chantilly got what they got. What goes around comes back sometimes.

If you believe that you’re a fool. Everyone knows the program is corrupt. They are Freedom High School 2.0 and it’s not right. Freedom was scoring 50 points by halftime last year in the playoffs. Overtons ego and willingness to job the system are pathetic. He needs to move to a private school where his competition recruits heavily unlike the majority of public schools. His reputation outside Hayfield is not good.

Coaches with bad coaching reputations don’t get the Coach of the Year award. Of course there are people that don’t want to see him win out of jealousy or because he is Black, but that comes with the territory.

Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022 grads. Both of whom were very involved in not athletics and neither of whom of who had the talent or desire to play junior junior junior varsity anything (unless we are, in fact, counting marching band— which does require some athleticism, or at least the stamina to manage 8 hour days marching in August). But, I’m off of work sick today and this thread is an interesting read. I didn’t realize how much less drama there has been in my life since my kids graduated.

And I keep seeing the “you must be racist against the coach” comments. Which seems like BS. I grew up and went to high school at a Friday Night Lights type school in the 1980s in the South. And most football coaches were black and there was plenty of racism. But there really was not against football coaches, who were treated like Gods by pretty much everyone at the high school

Anyway, my high school had fewer than 500 kids (total, not graduates a year— my graduating class was 105 kids). And even they had multiple football coaches (who also classified as teachers and had to teach actual classes, which was a joke, but anyway…) So, if a program is the size of Chantilly, it has a head varsity coach, head JV coach, head offensive coach, head defensive coach, maybe someone in charge of special teams. And I imagine at at a school with 3000 kids, the head, offensive, and defensive and whatever coaches also all have assistance coaches. Right? So, way more than one football coach per high school.

So here’s the question, if you take the 5 or so “most important” football coaches per high school, however that is defined— say head varsity, asst varsity, head O, head D and head JV— or whatever. Multiply by 24 non-magnet, non-alternative HSs. That’s 120 “important” football coaches in FCPS. Out of those 120 coaches, how many are Black? Is it 2-3? (Hayfield has one of the few Black coaches) or 40-50 (which would be my guess- a reasonably equal Black/ white split of coaches?). Or 70-80 (Black coaches are way, way overrepresented)?

For reference, Fairfax County is 11.5% Black, or 5.75% Black men. So, if the distribution of coaches followed population, there would be 7-8 Black male coaches. Considering almost all coaches or men, a normal distribution would be 13-14 Black men, based on the percentage of the population that is Black men.

You see where I’m going with this, right? If there are only a handful of Black coaches and Hayfield having a Black coach is highly unusual and FCPS Black football coaches are underrepresented based on their population, then maybe some of the treatment he is receiving is racist. Certainly FCPS would appear to have something strange going on with the race of its football coaches systemically. If, OTOH, there are 40 Black football coaches and they are overrepresented based on their population, where is the racism? Especially if the other 39 or 49 or whatever Black Coaches don’t have these types of allegations against them. If Black coaches are way over represented and 39 Black FCPS coaches are doing fine and 1 has problems, there isn’t some complex conspiracy. Maybe that 1 coach is actually a problem.

So, how many Black coaches in FCPS are not having problems?

The white supremacists don’t mind a Black coach, if that Black coach supports white supremacy. They won’t mind a Black coach, if the Black coach is losing. However, when there is a Black coach who is winning and doesn’t support white supremacy, then there is a problem.

PP here. So what you are saying is that of the 120 “main” football coaches in FCPS, something like 45 are Black, and of those 44 have losing records and/or support white supremacy. And only one lone hero in the entire county manages to both have a winning record and not be a Black Nazi. Talk about racist!

Your scenario just does not seem likely. What seems likely is that half of the Black coaches have winning records, half have losing records, almost none are BLack Mazis and the actual problem is the one Hayfield Coach and not the other 44 Black coaches being losers and/or Black white supremacists.

Also, you’re a really gross excuse for a human being. I absolutely agree racism is a problem in 2024. In fact, it’s more of a problem now than it was 5 years ago because SCOTUS has eliminated programs to address it. But you’ve decided to ignore or discount actual racism and instead call the people condemning a non race based scandal racists.

You don’t seem to have a problem with the 44 that are losing. It’s the guy that’s winning that you have a problem with.

People have a problem with the cheating: a white coach who showed up for a new coaching gig at a PUBLIC high school with an entourage of 33 transfer students from all across the DMV, as well as assorted adult thieves, druggies, and cult-ish hangers would be equally derided and held in contempt.

Some might say it’s racist for you to have such low standards for behavior from a Black coach. Why don't you expect integrity and sportsmanship fromw coach who is Black?

You are attempting to change the narrative. The authorities have stated publicly that they haven’t found any wrongdoing by the Hayfield staff. There has been some speculation, but a man should be innocent until proven otherwise in this country.

You are confusing criminal law with the court of public opinion. Everyone agrees he cheated (except his fanboys like you).

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its 42-0 and not halftime yet.

Washington and Liberty and Madison at blowing teams out in a similar fashion. Guess its ok for some schools to do it.

When they are blowing away a school like South County 63 to zero, something is definitely amiss.

SoCo traditionally beats Hayfield by a wide margin.

Last year, SoCo beat Hayfield 53 to 9.

That is a tremendous point swing between the two schools, statistically impossible unless something untowardly happened.

Last year, Madison beat SoCo by only 1 touchdown, 21-14.

Based on how Hayfield trounced SoCo, Hayfield is going to completely embarrass Madison when they meet in the playoffs.

Madison is going to lose by 50 to 60 points, and will probably not score once.

Ok so So County ran the score up on Hayfield last year. 63-0 was payback. The Chantilly coach was mouthing off before last weeks game before Chantilly got what they got. What goes around comes back sometimes.

If you believe that you’re a fool. Everyone knows the program is corrupt. They are Freedom High School 2.0 and it’s not right. Freedom was scoring 50 points by halftime last year in the playoffs. Overtons ego and willingness to job the system are pathetic. He needs to move to a private school where his competition recruits heavily unlike the majority of public schools. His reputation outside Hayfield is not good.

Coaches with bad coaching reputations don’t get the Coach of the Year award. Of course there are people that don’t want to see him win out of jealousy or because he is Black, but that comes with the territory.

Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022 grads. Both of whom were very involved in not athletics and neither of whom of who had the talent or desire to play junior junior junior varsity anything (unless we are, in fact, counting marching band— which does require some athleticism, or at least the stamina to manage 8 hour days marching in August). But, I’m off of work sick today and this thread is an interesting read. I didn’t realize how much less drama there has been in my life since my kids graduated.

And I keep seeing the “you must be racist against the coach” comments. Which seems like BS. I grew up and went to high school at a Friday Night Lights type school in the 1980s in the South. And most football coaches were black and there was plenty of racism. But there really was not against football coaches, who were treated like Gods by pretty much everyone at the high school

Anyway, my high school had fewer than 500 kids (total, not graduates a year— my graduating class was 105 kids). And even they had multiple football coaches (who also classified as teachers and had to teach actual classes, which was a joke, but anyway…) So, if a program is the size of Chantilly, it has a head varsity coach, head JV coach, head offensive coach, head defensive coach, maybe someone in charge of special teams. And I imagine at at a school with 3000 kids, the head, offensive, and defensive and whatever coaches also all have assistance coaches. Right? So, way more than one football coach per high school.

So here’s the question, if you take the 5 or so “most important” football coaches per high school, however that is defined— say head varsity, asst varsity, head O, head D and head JV— or whatever. Multiply by 24 non-magnet, non-alternative HSs. That’s 120 “important” football coaches in FCPS. Out of those 120 coaches, how many are Black? Is it 2-3? (Hayfield has one of the few Black coaches) or 40-50 (which would be my guess- a reasonably equal Black/ white split of coaches?). Or 70-80 (Black coaches are way, way overrepresented)?

For reference, Fairfax County is 11.5% Black, or 5.75% Black men. So, if the distribution of coaches followed population, there would be 7-8 Black male coaches. Considering almost all coaches or men, a normal distribution would be 13-14 Black men, based on the percentage of the population that is Black men.

You see where I’m going with this, right? If there are only a handful of Black coaches and Hayfield having a Black coach is highly unusual and FCPS Black football coaches are underrepresented based on their population, then maybe some of the treatment he is receiving is racist. Certainly FCPS would appear to have something strange going on with the race of its football coaches systemically. If, OTOH, there are 40 Black football coaches and they are overrepresented based on their population, where is the racism? Especially if the other 39 or 49 or whatever Black Coaches don’t have these types of allegations against them. If Black coaches are way over represented and 39 Black FCPS coaches are doing fine and 1 has problems, there isn’t some complex conspiracy. Maybe that 1 coach is actually a problem.

So, how many Black coaches in FCPS are not having problems?

The white supremacists don’t mind a Black coach, if that Black coach supports white supremacy. They won’t mind a Black coach, if the Black coach is losing. However, when there is a Black coach who is winning and doesn’t support white supremacy, then there is a problem.

PP here. So what you are saying is that of the 120 “main” football coaches in FCPS, something like 45 are Black, and of those 44 have losing records and/or support white supremacy. And only one lone hero in the entire county manages to both have a winning record and not be a Black Nazi. Talk about racist!

Your scenario just does not seem likely. What seems likely is that half of the Black coaches have winning records, half have losing records, almost none are BLack Mazis and the actual problem is the one Hayfield Coach and not the other 44 Black coaches being losers and/or Black white supremacists.

Also, you’re a really gross excuse for a human being. I absolutely agree racism is a problem in 2024. In fact, it’s more of a problem now than it was 5 years ago because SCOTUS has eliminated programs to address it. But you’ve decided to ignore or discount actual racism and instead call the people condemning a non race based scandal racists.

You don’t seem to have a problem with the 44 that are losing. It’s the guy that’s winning that you have a problem with.

People have a problem with the cheating: a white coach who showed up for a new coaching gig at a PUBLIC high school with an entourage of 33 transfer students from all across the DMV, as well as assorted adult thieves, druggies, and cult-ish hangers would be equally derided and held in contempt.

Some might say it’s racist for you to have such low standards for behavior from a Black coach. Why don't you expect integrity and sportsmanship fromw coach who is Black?

You are attempting to change the narrative. The authorities have stated publicly that they haven’t found any wrongdoing by the Hayfield staff. There has been some speculation, but a man should be innocent until proven otherwise in this country.

Obviously, you personally hold an extremely fringe viewpoint: you have no problem with a coach showing up to a public high school with a marked attendance zone with 33 hand-picked all star "transfer" students to play on his team and replace the existing team. Most people find that incredibly poor sportsmanship and extremely distasteful, and anathema to the whole point of public high school sports (which is to provide extracurricular activities for the students zoned to that school). You are a person with flexible morals and think that's just fine.

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This is BS. Hayfield embarked on a coordinated plan to give Overton a place to land after he was booted from Prince William and build a football powerhouse. The principal, much of the staff, and the coach were all in on the plan, and did what they could to make it happen and make those who had misgivings feel unwelcome at Hayfield. It's more like a hostile takeover than a typical team.

You can keep arguing that laws weren't violated, but that's almost besides the point. Hayfield has still embarrassed itself, its opponents, and most of all FCPS leadership, which revealed itself too feckless to step in and discourage what has happened there. Michelle Reid is a weakling and a failure.

This. 1000 percent this.

Gonna have to disagree with *much of the staff*. Anybody who knows anything about Hayfield knows the staff was not on board. Now, are they resigned to the situation? Probably.

You might recall that the head of Student Services, a graduate of Hayfield, was abruptly transferred after asking questions.

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Anonymous wrote:Its 42-0 and not halftime yet.

Washington and Liberty and Madison at blowing teams out in a similar fashion. Guess its ok for some schools to do it.

When they are blowing away a school like South County 63 to zero, something is definitely amiss.

SoCo traditionally beats Hayfield by a wide margin.

Last year, SoCo beat Hayfield 53 to 9.

That is a tremendous point swing between the two schools, statistically impossible unless something untowardly happened.

Last year, Madison beat SoCo by only 1 touchdown, 21-14.

Based on how Hayfield trounced SoCo, Hayfield is going to completely embarrass Madison when they meet in the playoffs.

Madison is going to lose by 50 to 60 points, and will probably not score once.

Ok so So County ran the score up on Hayfield last year. 63-0 was payback. The Chantilly coach was mouthing off before last weeks game before Chantilly got what they got. What goes around comes back sometimes.

If you believe that you’re a fool. Everyone knows the program is corrupt. They are Freedom High School 2.0 and it’s not right. Freedom was scoring 50 points by halftime last year in the playoffs. Overtons ego and willingness to job the system are pathetic. He needs to move to a private school where his competition recruits heavily unlike the majority of public schools. His reputation outside Hayfield is not good.

Coaches with bad coaching reputations don’t get the Coach of the Year award. Of course there are people that don’t want to see him win out of jealousy or because he is Black, but that comes with the territory.

Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022 grads. Both of whom were very involved in not athletics and neither of whom of who had the talent or desire to play junior junior junior varsity anything (unless we are, in fact, counting marching band— which does require some athleticism, or at least the stamina to manage 8 hour days marching in August). But, I’m off of work sick today and this thread is an interesting read. I didn’t realize how much less drama there has been in my life since my kids graduated.

And I keep seeing the “you must be racist against the coach” comments. Which seems like BS. I grew up and went to high school at a Friday Night Lights type school in the 1980s in the South. And most football coaches were black and there was plenty of racism. But there really was not against football coaches, who were treated like Gods by pretty much everyone at the high school

Anyway, my high school had fewer than 500 kids (total, not graduates a year— my graduating class was 105 kids). And even they had multiple football coaches (who also classified as teachers and had to teach actual classes, which was a joke, but anyway…) So, if a program is the size of Chantilly, it has a head varsity coach, head JV coach, head offensive coach, head defensive coach, maybe someone in charge of special teams. And I imagine at at a school with 3000 kids, the head, offensive, and defensive and whatever coaches also all have assistance coaches. Right? So, way more than one football coach per high school.

So here’s the question, if you take the 5 or so “most important” football coaches per high school, however that is defined— say head varsity, asst varsity, head O, head D and head JV— or whatever. Multiply by 24 non-magnet, non-alternative HSs. That’s 120 “important” football coaches in FCPS. Out of those 120 coaches, how many are Black? Is it 2-3? (Hayfield has one of the few Black coaches) or 40-50 (which would be my guess- a reasonably equal Black/ white split of coaches?). Or 70-80 (Black coaches are way, way overrepresented)?

For reference, Fairfax County is 11.5% Black, or 5.75% Black men. So, if the distribution of coaches followed population, there would be 7-8 Black male coaches. Considering almost all coaches or men, a normal distribution would be 13-14 Black men, based on the percentage of the population that is Black men.

You see where I’m going with this, right? If there are only a handful of Black coaches and Hayfield having a Black coach is highly unusual and FCPS Black football coaches are underrepresented based on their population, then maybe some of the treatment he is receiving is racist. Certainly FCPS would appear to have something strange going on with the race of its football coaches systemically. If, OTOH, there are 40 Black football coaches and they are overrepresented based on their population, where is the racism? Especially if the other 39 or 49 or whatever Black Coaches don’t have these types of allegations against them. If Black coaches are way over represented and 39 Black FCPS coaches are doing fine and 1 has problems, there isn’t some complex conspiracy. Maybe that 1 coach is actually a problem.

So, how many Black coaches in FCPS are not having problems?

"Parent of TJ 2020 and Chantilly 2022" – Translation: You’ve never touched a field in your life. TJ's idea of 'sports' since 2020 is laughable at best. And seriously, claiming Black people are 'over-represented'? Just admit it—you’re a bigot without having to say it outright.

You sound like a person who doesn't understand the point of public high school sports: to provide opportunities for the *students who attend that school* to play. Sports at TJ are "laughable" to you? Its the same sport played at every other public high school, and they compete against other high schools of similar size and record. They don't cheat. People who feel the need to cheat at high school sports are "laughable" to me....