MoCo seeking feedback on proposal to limit single family zoning

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ha, just look at the demographic trends the county projected a few years ago:

https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf

You can see by the by 2030-2040, the number of people in MoCo who will be in their prime income earning years is rapidly declining while the county overall is either getting younger or a lot older. In other words, people with means are fleeing while the county gets a bunch of geriatric boomers. The only place where the county is getting growth from is laughably labeled as 'international migration', which we all know is basically illegal immigration (basically where the youth is from). The county has a net negative of domestic migration, meaning it is losing more domestic US citizens who are leaving the county than the number moving in, lol.

Long story short, US citizens with money are leaving MoCo, the only growth is largely from undocumented immigrants, and the tax base from those in their prime earning years is expected to rapidly dwindle over the next 15 years.

So who exactly is the county tearing down the housing for with these kinds of demographic trends? They're tearing down SFH and your neighborhoods for imported poverty from abroad, because there is a net negative of domestic residents of the USA moving to MoCo. White flight? Ha, that's old news. White people already started to flee way back in 2010, as the report shows. The ones who will keep fleeing MoCo are those with money. It's going to be hilarious watching as the county keeps getting poorer and poorer. The tax base is going to crumble, the destruction of neighborhoods is going to accelerate it, and the only solution they'll be able to come up for the loss of revenue is to keep increasing taxes. The impoverished people they're importing won't be able to pay the tax bills, so you know who they're going to target.

They don’t care about wealth flight, they think that they are going to make it up in volume. It’s all part of their urban density fantasy coloring book.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ha, just look at the demographic trends the county projected a few years ago:

https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf

You can see by the by 2030-2040, the number of people in MoCo who will be in their prime income earning years is rapidly declining while the county overall is either getting younger or a lot older. In other words, people with means are fleeing while the county gets a bunch of geriatric boomers. The only place where the county is getting growth from is laughably labeled as 'international migration', which we all know is basically illegal immigration (basically where the youth is from). The county has a net negative of domestic migration, meaning it is losing more domestic US citizens who are leaving the county than the number moving in, lol.

Long story short, US citizens with money are leaving MoCo, the only growth is largely from undocumented immigrants, and the tax base from those in their prime earning years is expected to rapidly dwindle over the next 15 years.

So who exactly is the county tearing down the housing for with these kinds of demographic trends? They're tearing down SFH and your neighborhoods for imported poverty from abroad, because there is a net negative of domestic residents of the USA moving to MoCo. White flight? Ha, that's old news. White people already started to flee way back in 2010, as the report shows. The ones who will keep fleeing MoCo are those with money. It's going to be hilarious watching as the county keeps getting poorer and poorer. The tax base is going to crumble, the destruction of neighborhoods is going to accelerate it, and the only solution they'll be able to come up for the loss of revenue is to keep increasing taxes. The impoverished people they're importing won't be able to pay the tax bills, so you know who they're going to target.

There is a whole ton of conjecture int his not tied to what is actually in the report.

The increase in *relative share* of older residents is a result of an aging population.

"The aging of baby boomers explains the percentage drop in the share of young adults, 20 to 34, from 26.5 percent in 1990 to 18.8 percent in 2016 with the forecasted decline slowing to 17.3 percent by 2040. This is the only age group decreasing in number (by 4,225 young adults), down 2.1 percent in 2016. Young adults are the most mobile age group, typically renters, some starting families, and they are the core of the county’s new residents." p. 29.

It is not tied to anybody "fleeing."

And as cited above the total tax revenue of the County is as healthy as any county in Maryland, with both real estate and income tax revenue INCREASING in 2023 over 2022.

But thank you for mentioning the aging population. Tending to their housing needs is another reason to increase and diversify the types of housing in the county.

Newsflash genius: of course tax REVENUE goes up as inflation goes up, lol. How shocking. The county already just INCREASED taxes. See how well it goes for revenues over time if your only solution is to keep increasing taxes.

No matter how badly you want to try to gold wrap a turd, it is still a turd. The county's demographics stink. People their prime warning years (i.e. taxpayers who pay the most taxes) are imploding by 2030-2040. The only area of population growth for the county is from 'international migration' while domestic migration to the county is negative. The most international arrivals continue to be from countries like El Salvador, as the report shows. 'International migration' is code speak for illegal immigration, we all know it.

The county can try to to make up wealth fleeing through volume, but all the volume coming in from illegal migration will be poor. They will work jobs for cash under the table. Even if they report income, it'll likely be so low that the net after taxation on them minus the amount you have to spend on them will be negative.

There's no way to polish it. They're tearing up your neighborhoods because they demand US citizens upend their way of life in order to provide affordable housing for international migrants, who are the only source of population growth for the county.

All fear mongering. That’s your main thesis. “Be afraid of others”

In reality, Takoma Park already has SFH next door to multi unit buildings and has been this way for decades. Yet somehow Takoma Park remains highly desirable and safe. Many young families un Takoma Park are UMC professionals with high income and they live side by side with immigrants and lower income citizens. There is nothing to fear.

Takoma Park is not a safe city by any reasonable definition of “safe”. The assault rate is 1.9x the national average. The rate of car theft is 1.5x the national average and the murder rate is also . Literally, half of the crime in TP is from Ward 6 which has more than 50% multi-family housing. This statement is not a compelling argument or even accurate and it certainly does not suggest that eliminating single family zoning will enhance quality of life in MOCO.

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ha, just look at the demographic trends the county projected a few years ago:

https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf

You can see by the by 2030-2040, the number of people in MoCo who will be in their prime income earning years is rapidly declining while the county overall is either getting younger or a lot older. In other words, people with means are fleeing while the county gets a bunch of geriatric boomers. The only place where the county is getting growth from is laughably labeled as 'international migration', which we all know is basically illegal immigration (basically where the youth is from). The county has a net negative of domestic migration, meaning it is losing more domestic US citizens who are leaving the county than the number moving in, lol.

Long story short, US citizens with money are leaving MoCo, the only growth is largely from undocumented immigrants, and the tax base from those in their prime earning years is expected to rapidly dwindle over the next 15 years.

So who exactly is the county tearing down the housing for with these kinds of demographic trends? They're tearing down SFH and your neighborhoods for imported poverty from abroad, because there is a net negative of domestic residents of the USA moving to MoCo. White flight? Ha, that's old news. White people already started to flee way back in 2010, as the report shows. The ones who will keep fleeing MoCo are those with money. It's going to be hilarious watching as the county keeps getting poorer and poorer. The tax base is going to crumble, the destruction of neighborhoods is going to accelerate it, and the only solution they'll be able to come up for the loss of revenue is to keep increasing taxes. The impoverished people they're importing won't be able to pay the tax bills, so you know who they're going to target.

There is a whole ton of conjecture int his not tied to what is actually in the report.

The increase in *relative share* of older residents is a result of an aging population.

"The aging of baby boomers explains the percentage drop in the share of young adults, 20 to 34, from 26.5 percent in 1990 to 18.8 percent in 2016 with the forecasted decline slowing to 17.3 percent by 2040. This is the only age group decreasing in number (by 4,225 young adults), down 2.1 percent in 2016. Young adults are the most mobile age group, typically renters, some starting families, and they are the core of the county’s new residents." p. 29.

It is not tied to anybody "fleeing."

And as cited above the total tax revenue of the County is as healthy as any county in Maryland, with both real estate and income tax revenue INCREASING in 2023 over 2022.

But thank you for mentioning the aging population. Tending to their housing needs is another reason to increase and diversify the types of housing in the county.

Newsflash genius: of course tax REVENUE goes up as inflation goes up, lol. How shocking. The county already just INCREASED taxes. See how well it goes for revenues over time if your only solution is to keep increasing taxes.

No matter how badly you want to try to gold wrap a turd, it is still a turd. The county's demographics stink. People their prime warning years (i.e. taxpayers who pay the most taxes) are imploding by 2030-2040. The only area of population growth for the county is from 'international migration' while domestic migration to the county is negative. The most international arrivals continue to be from countries like El Salvador, as the report shows. 'International migration' is code speak for illegal immigration, we all know it.

The county can try to to make up wealth fleeing through volume, but all the volume coming in from illegal migration will be poor. They will work jobs for cash under the table. Even if they report income, it'll likely be so low that the net after taxation on them minus the amount you have to spend on them will be negative.

There's no way to polish it. They're tearing up your neighborhoods because they demand US citizens upend their way of life in order to provide affordable housing for international migrants, who are the only source of population growth for the county.

All fear mongering. That’s your main thesis. “Be afraid of others”

In reality, Takoma Park already has SFH next door to multi unit buildings and has been this way for decades. Yet somehow Takoma Park remains highly desirable and safe. Many young families un Takoma Park are UMC professionals with high income and they live side by side with immigrants and lower income citizens. There is nothing to fear.

"Highly desirable" ...ok

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ha, just look at the demographic trends the county projected a few years ago:

https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf

You can see by the by 2030-2040, the number of people in MoCo who will be in their prime income earning years is rapidly declining while the county overall is either getting younger or a lot older. In other words, people with means are fleeing while the county gets a bunch of geriatric boomers. The only place where the county is getting growth from is laughably labeled as 'international migration', which we all know is basically illegal immigration (basically where the youth is from). The county has a net negative of domestic migration, meaning it is losing more domestic US citizens who are leaving the county than the number moving in, lol.

Long story short, US citizens with money are leaving MoCo, the only growth is largely from undocumented immigrants, and the tax base from those in their prime earning years is expected to rapidly dwindle over the next 15 years.

So who exactly is the county tearing down the housing for with these kinds of demographic trends? They're tearing down SFH and your neighborhoods for imported poverty from abroad, because there is a net negative of domestic residents of the USA moving to MoCo. White flight? Ha, that's old news. White people already started to flee way back in 2010, as the report shows. The ones who will keep fleeing MoCo are those with money. It's going to be hilarious watching as the county keeps getting poorer and poorer. The tax base is going to crumble, the destruction of neighborhoods is going to accelerate it, and the only solution they'll be able to come up for the loss of revenue is to keep increasing taxes. The impoverished people they're importing won't be able to pay the tax bills, so you know who they're going to target.

There is a whole ton of conjecture int his not tied to what is actually in the report.

The increase in *relative share* of older residents is a result of an aging population.

"The aging of baby boomers explains the percentage drop in the share of young adults, 20 to 34, from 26.5 percent in 1990 to 18.8 percent in 2016 with the forecasted decline slowing to 17.3 percent by 2040. This is the only age group decreasing in number (by 4,225 young adults), down 2.1 percent in 2016. Young adults are the most mobile age group, typically renters, some starting families, and they are the core of the county’s new residents." p. 29.

It is not tied to anybody "fleeing."

And as cited above the total tax revenue of the County is as healthy as any county in Maryland, with both real estate and income tax revenue INCREASING in 2023 over 2022.

But thank you for mentioning the aging population. Tending to their housing needs is another reason to increase and diversify the types of housing in the county.

Newsflash genius: of course tax REVENUE goes up as inflation goes up, lol. How shocking. The county already just INCREASED taxes. See how well it goes for revenues over time if your only solution is to keep increasing taxes.

No matter how badly you want to try to gold wrap a turd, it is still a turd. The county's demographics stink. People their prime warning years (i.e. taxpayers who pay the most taxes) are imploding by 2030-2040. The only area of population growth for the county is from 'international migration' while domestic migration to the county is negative. The most international arrivals continue to be from countries like El Salvador, as the report shows. 'International migration' is code speak for illegal immigration, we all know it.

The county can try to to make up wealth fleeing through volume, but all the volume coming in from illegal migration will be poor. They will work jobs for cash under the table. Even if they report income, it'll likely be so low that the net after taxation on them minus the amount you have to spend on them will be negative.

There's no way to polish it. They're tearing up your neighborhoods because they demand US citizens upend their way of life in order to provide affordable housing for international migrants, who are the only source of population growth for the county.

All fear mongering. That’s your main thesis. “Be afraid of others”

In reality, Takoma Park already has SFH next door to multi unit buildings and has been this way for decades. Yet somehow Takoma Park remains highly desirable and safe. Many young families un Takoma Park are UMC professionals with high income and they live side by side with immigrants and lower income citizens. There is nothing to fear.

"Highly desirable" ...ok

Take a look at the prices...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ha, just look at the demographic trends the county projected a few years ago:

https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf

You can see by the by 2030-2040, the number of people in MoCo who will be in their prime income earning years is rapidly declining while the county overall is either getting younger or a lot older. In other words, people with means are fleeing while the county gets a bunch of geriatric boomers. The only place where the county is getting growth from is laughably labeled as 'international migration', which we all know is basically illegal immigration (basically where the youth is from). The county has a net negative of domestic migration, meaning it is losing more domestic US citizens who are leaving the county than the number moving in, lol.

Long story short, US citizens with money are leaving MoCo, the only growth is largely from undocumented immigrants, and the tax base from those in their prime earning years is expected to rapidly dwindle over the next 15 years.

So who exactly is the county tearing down the housing for with these kinds of demographic trends? They're tearing down SFH and your neighborhoods for imported poverty from abroad, because there is a net negative of domestic residents of the USA moving to MoCo. White flight? Ha, that's old news. White people already started to flee way back in 2010, as the report shows. The ones who will keep fleeing MoCo are those with money. It's going to be hilarious watching as the county keeps getting poorer and poorer. The tax base is going to crumble, the destruction of neighborhoods is going to accelerate it, and the only solution they'll be able to come up for the loss of revenue is to keep increasing taxes. The impoverished people they're importing won't be able to pay the tax bills, so you know who they're going to target.

There is a whole ton of conjecture int his not tied to what is actually in the report.

The increase in *relative share* of older residents is a result of an aging population.

"The aging of baby boomers explains the percentage drop in the share of young adults, 20 to 34, from 26.5 percent in 1990 to 18.8 percent in 2016 with the forecasted decline slowing to 17.3 percent by 2040. This is the only age group decreasing in number (by 4,225 young adults), down 2.1 percent in 2016. Young adults are the most mobile age group, typically renters, some starting families, and they are the core of the county’s new residents." p. 29.

It is not tied to anybody "fleeing."

And as cited above the total tax revenue of the County is as healthy as any county in Maryland, with both real estate and income tax revenue INCREASING in 2023 over 2022.

But thank you for mentioning the aging population. Tending to their housing needs is another reason to increase and diversify the types of housing in the county.

Newsflash genius: of course tax REVENUE goes up as inflation goes up, lol. How shocking. The county already just INCREASED taxes. See how well it goes for revenues over time if your only solution is to keep increasing taxes.

No matter how badly you want to try to gold wrap a turd, it is still a turd. The county's demographics stink. People their prime warning years (i.e. taxpayers who pay the most taxes) are imploding by 2030-2040. The only area of population growth for the county is from 'international migration' while domestic migration to the county is negative. The most international arrivals continue to be from countries like El Salvador, as the report shows. 'International migration' is code speak for illegal immigration, we all know it.

The county can try to to make up wealth fleeing through volume, but all the volume coming in from illegal migration will be poor. They will work jobs for cash under the table. Even if they report income, it'll likely be so low that the net after taxation on them minus the amount you have to spend on them will be negative.

There's no way to polish it. They're tearing up your neighborhoods because they demand US citizens upend their way of life in order to provide affordable housing for international migrants, who are the only source of population growth for the county.

All fear mongering. That’s your main thesis. “Be afraid of others”

In reality, Takoma Park already has SFH next door to multi unit buildings and has been this way for decades. Yet somehow Takoma Park remains highly desirable and safe. Many young families un Takoma Park are UMC professionals with high income and they live side by side with immigrants and lower income citizens. There is nothing to fear.

Takoma Park is not a safe city by any reasonable definition of “safe”. The assault rate is 1.9x the national average. The rate of car theft is 1.5x the national average and the murder rate is also . Literally, half of the crime in TP is from Ward 6 which has more than 50% multi-family housing. This statement is not a compelling argument or even accurate and it certainly does not suggest that eliminating single family zoning will enhance quality of life in MOCO.

Also its schools are overcrowded and it looks like crap in all but the most expensive parts which, not surprisingly, aren’t right next door to multiplexes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ha, just look at the demographic trends the county projected a few years ago:

https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf

You can see by the by 2030-2040, the number of people in MoCo who will be in their prime income earning years is rapidly declining while the county overall is either getting younger or a lot older. In other words, people with means are fleeing while the county gets a bunch of geriatric boomers. The only place where the county is getting growth from is laughably labeled as 'international migration', which we all know is basically illegal immigration (basically where the youth is from). The county has a net negative of domestic migration, meaning it is losing more domestic US citizens who are leaving the county than the number moving in, lol.

Long story short, US citizens with money are leaving MoCo, the only growth is largely from undocumented immigrants, and the tax base from those in their prime earning years is expected to rapidly dwindle over the next 15 years.

So who exactly is the county tearing down the housing for with these kinds of demographic trends? They're tearing down SFH and your neighborhoods for imported poverty from abroad, because there is a net negative of domestic residents of the USA moving to MoCo. White flight? Ha, that's old news. White people already started to flee way back in 2010, as the report shows. The ones who will keep fleeing MoCo are those with money. It's going to be hilarious watching as the county keeps getting poorer and poorer. The tax base is going to crumble, the destruction of neighborhoods is going to accelerate it, and the only solution they'll be able to come up for the loss of revenue is to keep increasing taxes. The impoverished people they're importing won't be able to pay the tax bills, so you know who they're going to target.

There is a whole ton of conjecture int his not tied to what is actually in the report.

The increase in *relative share* of older residents is a result of an aging population.

"The aging of baby boomers explains the percentage drop in the share of young adults, 20 to 34, from 26.5 percent in 1990 to 18.8 percent in 2016 with the forecasted decline slowing to 17.3 percent by 2040. This is the only age group decreasing in number (by 4,225 young adults), down 2.1 percent in 2016. Young adults are the most mobile age group, typically renters, some starting families, and they are the core of the county’s new residents." p. 29.

It is not tied to anybody "fleeing."

And as cited above the total tax revenue of the County is as healthy as any county in Maryland, with both real estate and income tax revenue INCREASING in 2023 over 2022.

But thank you for mentioning the aging population. Tending to their housing needs is another reason to increase and diversify the types of housing in the county.

Newsflash genius: of course tax REVENUE goes up as inflation goes up, lol. How shocking. The county already just INCREASED taxes. See how well it goes for revenues over time if your only solution is to keep increasing taxes.

No matter how badly you want to try to gold wrap a turd, it is still a turd. The county's demographics stink. People their prime warning years (i.e. taxpayers who pay the most taxes) are imploding by 2030-2040. The only area of population growth for the county is from 'international migration' while domestic migration to the county is negative. The most international arrivals continue to be from countries like El Salvador, as the report shows. 'International migration' is code speak for illegal immigration, we all know it.

The county can try to to make up wealth fleeing through volume, but all the volume coming in from illegal migration will be poor. They will work jobs for cash under the table. Even if they report income, it'll likely be so low that the net after taxation on them minus the amount you have to spend on them will be negative.

There's no way to polish it. They're tearing up your neighborhoods because they demand US citizens upend their way of life in order to provide affordable housing for international migrants, who are the only source of population growth for the county.

All fear mongering. That’s your main thesis. “Be afraid of others”

In reality, Takoma Park already has SFH next door to multi unit buildings and has been this way for decades. Yet somehow Takoma Park remains highly desirable and safe. Many young families un Takoma Park are UMC professionals with high income and they live side by side with immigrants and lower income citizens. There is nothing to fear.

Takoma Park is not a safe city by any reasonable definition of “safe”. The assault rate is 1.9x the national average. The rate of car theft is 1.5x the national average and the murder rate is also . Literally, half of the crime in TP is from Ward 6 which has more than 50% multi-family housing. This statement is not a compelling argument or even accurate and it certainly does not suggest that eliminating single family zoning will enhance quality of life in MOCO.

Well I actually live here and I walk around with my kids everywhere and never have any issues. You are just a fear monger.

Let’s look at a real neighborhood with a mix of housing types side by side.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/e16jiXoZa3EwkB7R8?g_st=ic

This is in a perfectly safe neighborhood with expensive houses next door to multifamily that has been that way for decades. I know this street very well so you cant BS me about crime etc. Please tell me why that neighborhood is so bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ha, just look at the demographic trends the county projected a few years ago:

https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf

You can see by the by 2030-2040, the number of people in MoCo who will be in their prime income earning years is rapidly declining while the county overall is either getting younger or a lot older. In other words, people with means are fleeing while the county gets a bunch of geriatric boomers. The only place where the county is getting growth from is laughably labeled as 'international migration', which we all know is basically illegal immigration (basically where the youth is from). The county has a net negative of domestic migration, meaning it is losing more domestic US citizens who are leaving the county than the number moving in, lol.

Long story short, US citizens with money are leaving MoCo, the only growth is largely from undocumented immigrants, and the tax base from those in their prime earning years is expected to rapidly dwindle over the next 15 years.

So who exactly is the county tearing down the housing for with these kinds of demographic trends? They're tearing down SFH and your neighborhoods for imported poverty from abroad, because there is a net negative of domestic residents of the USA moving to MoCo. White flight? Ha, that's old news. White people already started to flee way back in 2010, as the report shows. The ones who will keep fleeing MoCo are those with money. It's going to be hilarious watching as the county keeps getting poorer and poorer. The tax base is going to crumble, the destruction of neighborhoods is going to accelerate it, and the only solution they'll be able to come up for the loss of revenue is to keep increasing taxes. The impoverished people they're importing won't be able to pay the tax bills, so you know who they're going to target.

There is a whole ton of conjecture int his not tied to what is actually in the report.

The increase in *relative share* of older residents is a result of an aging population.

"The aging of baby boomers explains the percentage drop in the share of young adults, 20 to 34, from 26.5 percent in 1990 to 18.8 percent in 2016 with the forecasted decline slowing to 17.3 percent by 2040. This is the only age group decreasing in number (by 4,225 young adults), down 2.1 percent in 2016. Young adults are the most mobile age group, typically renters, some starting families, and they are the core of the county’s new residents." p. 29.

It is not tied to anybody "fleeing."

And as cited above the total tax revenue of the County is as healthy as any county in Maryland, with both real estate and income tax revenue INCREASING in 2023 over 2022.

But thank you for mentioning the aging population. Tending to their housing needs is another reason to increase and diversify the types of housing in the county.

Newsflash genius: of course tax REVENUE goes up as inflation goes up, lol. How shocking. The county already just INCREASED taxes. See how well it goes for revenues over time if your only solution is to keep increasing taxes.

No matter how badly you want to try to gold wrap a turd, it is still a turd. The county's demographics stink. People their prime warning years (i.e. taxpayers who pay the most taxes) are imploding by 2030-2040. The only area of population growth for the county is from 'international migration' while domestic migration to the county is negative. The most international arrivals continue to be from countries like El Salvador, as the report shows. 'International migration' is code speak for illegal immigration, we all know it.

The county can try to to make up wealth fleeing through volume, but all the volume coming in from illegal migration will be poor. They will work jobs for cash under the table. Even if they report income, it'll likely be so low that the net after taxation on them minus the amount you have to spend on them will be negative.

There's no way to polish it. They're tearing up your neighborhoods because they demand US citizens upend their way of life in order to provide affordable housing for international migrants, who are the only source of population growth for the county.

All fear mongering. That’s your main thesis. “Be afraid of others”

In reality, Takoma Park already has SFH next door to multi unit buildings and has been this way for decades. Yet somehow Takoma Park remains highly desirable and safe. Many young families un Takoma Park are UMC professionals with high income and they live side by side with immigrants and lower income citizens. There is nothing to fear.

Takoma Park is not a safe city by any reasonable definition of “safe”. The assault rate is 1.9x the national average. The rate of car theft is 1.5x the national average and the murder rate is also . Literally, half of the crime in TP is from Ward 6 which has more than 50% multi-family housing. This statement is not a compelling argument or even accurate and it certainly does not suggest that eliminating single family zoning will enhance quality of life in MOCO.

Also its schools are overcrowded and it looks like crap in all but the most expensive parts which, not surprisingly, aren’t right next door to multiplexes.

All close-in schools are crowded. Nothing to do with mixed zoning. Takoma park doesn’t look much different than the rest of DC. Also, yes the multifamily buildings are next door to expensive homes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ha, just look at the demographic trends the county projected a few years ago:

https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf

You can see by the by 2030-2040, the number of people in MoCo who will be in their prime income earning years is rapidly declining while the county overall is either getting younger or a lot older. In other words, people with means are fleeing while the county gets a bunch of geriatric boomers. The only place where the county is getting growth from is laughably labeled as 'international migration', which we all know is basically illegal immigration (basically where the youth is from). The county has a net negative of domestic migration, meaning it is losing more domestic US citizens who are leaving the county than the number moving in, lol.

Long story short, US citizens with money are leaving MoCo, the only growth is largely from undocumented immigrants, and the tax base from those in their prime earning years is expected to rapidly dwindle over the next 15 years.

So who exactly is the county tearing down the housing for with these kinds of demographic trends? They're tearing down SFH and your neighborhoods for imported poverty from abroad, because there is a net negative of domestic residents of the USA moving to MoCo. White flight? Ha, that's old news. White people already started to flee way back in 2010, as the report shows. The ones who will keep fleeing MoCo are those with money. It's going to be hilarious watching as the county keeps getting poorer and poorer. The tax base is going to crumble, the destruction of neighborhoods is going to accelerate it, and the only solution they'll be able to come up for the loss of revenue is to keep increasing taxes. The impoverished people they're importing won't be able to pay the tax bills, so you know who they're going to target.

There is a whole ton of conjecture int his not tied to what is actually in the report.

The increase in *relative share* of older residents is a result of an aging population.

"The aging of baby boomers explains the percentage drop in the share of young adults, 20 to 34, from 26.5 percent in 1990 to 18.8 percent in 2016 with the forecasted decline slowing to 17.3 percent by 2040. This is the only age group decreasing in number (by 4,225 young adults), down 2.1 percent in 2016. Young adults are the most mobile age group, typically renters, some starting families, and they are the core of the county’s new residents." p. 29.

It is not tied to anybody "fleeing."

And as cited above the total tax revenue of the County is as healthy as any county in Maryland, with both real estate and income tax revenue INCREASING in 2023 over 2022.

But thank you for mentioning the aging population. Tending to their housing needs is another reason to increase and diversify the types of housing in the county.

Newsflash genius: of course tax REVENUE goes up as inflation goes up, lol. How shocking. The county already just INCREASED taxes. See how well it goes for revenues over time if your only solution is to keep increasing taxes.

No matter how badly you want to try to gold wrap a turd, it is still a turd. The county's demographics stink. People their prime warning years (i.e. taxpayers who pay the most taxes) are imploding by 2030-2040. The only area of population growth for the county is from 'international migration' while domestic migration to the county is negative. The most international arrivals continue to be from countries like El Salvador, as the report shows. 'International migration' is code speak for illegal immigration, we all know it.

The county can try to to make up wealth fleeing through volume, but all the volume coming in from illegal migration will be poor. They will work jobs for cash under the table. Even if they report income, it'll likely be so low that the net after taxation on them minus the amount you have to spend on them will be negative.

There's no way to polish it. They're tearing up your neighborhoods because they demand US citizens upend their way of life in order to provide affordable housing for international migrants, who are the only source of population growth for the county.

All fear mongering. That’s your main thesis. “Be afraid of others”

In reality, Takoma Park already has SFH next door to multi unit buildings and has been this way for decades. Yet somehow Takoma Park remains highly desirable and safe. Many young families un Takoma Park are UMC professionals with high income and they live side by side with immigrants and lower income citizens. There is nothing to fear.

Takoma Park is not a safe city by any reasonable definition of “safe”. The assault rate is 1.9x the national average. The rate of car theft is 1.5x the national average and the murder rate is also . Literally, half of the crime in TP is from Ward 6 which has more than 50% multi-family housing. This statement is not a compelling argument or even accurate and it certainly does not suggest that eliminating single family zoning will enhance quality of life in MOCO.

Well I actually live here and I walk around with my kids everywhere and never have any issues. You are just a fear monger.

Let’s look at a real neighborhood with a mix of housing types side by side.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/e16jiXoZa3EwkB7R8?g_st=ic

This is in a perfectly safe neighborhood with expensive houses next door to multifamily that has been that way for decades. I know this street very well so you cant BS me about crime etc. Please tell me why that neighborhood is so bad.

That’s great, people should feel free to live there. Please upzone all of TP and report back the findings in 5 years, then the county can make an educated decision.

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Anonymous wrote:Ha, just look at the demographic trends the county projected a few years ago:

https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf

You can see by the by 2030-2040, the number of people in MoCo who will be in their prime income earning years is rapidly declining while the county overall is either getting younger or a lot older. In other words, people with means are fleeing while the county gets a bunch of geriatric boomers. The only place where the county is getting growth from is laughably labeled as 'international migration', which we all know is basically illegal immigration (basically where the youth is from). The county has a net negative of domestic migration, meaning it is losing more domestic US citizens who are leaving the county than the number moving in, lol.

Long story short, US citizens with money are leaving MoCo, the only growth is largely from undocumented immigrants, and the tax base from those in their prime earning years is expected to rapidly dwindle over the next 15 years.

So who exactly is the county tearing down the housing for with these kinds of demographic trends? They're tearing down SFH and your neighborhoods for imported poverty from abroad, because there is a net negative of domestic residents of the USA moving to MoCo. White flight? Ha, that's old news. White people already started to flee way back in 2010, as the report shows. The ones who will keep fleeing MoCo are those with money. It's going to be hilarious watching as the county keeps getting poorer and poorer. The tax base is going to crumble, the destruction of neighborhoods is going to accelerate it, and the only solution they'll be able to come up for the loss of revenue is to keep increasing taxes. The impoverished people they're importing won't be able to pay the tax bills, so you know who they're going to target.

There is a whole ton of conjecture int his not tied to what is actually in the report.

The increase in *relative share* of older residents is a result of an aging population.

"The aging of baby boomers explains the percentage drop in the share of young adults, 20 to 34, from 26.5 percent in 1990 to 18.8 percent in 2016 with the forecasted decline slowing to 17.3 percent by 2040. This is the only age group decreasing in number (by 4,225 young adults), down 2.1 percent in 2016. Young adults are the most mobile age group, typically renters, some starting families, and they are the core of the county’s new residents." p. 29.

It is not tied to anybody "fleeing."

And as cited above the total tax revenue of the County is as healthy as any county in Maryland, with both real estate and income tax revenue INCREASING in 2023 over 2022.

But thank you for mentioning the aging population. Tending to their housing needs is another reason to increase and diversify the types of housing in the county.

Newsflash genius: of course tax REVENUE goes up as inflation goes up, lol. How shocking. The county already just INCREASED taxes. See how well it goes for revenues over time if your only solution is to keep increasing taxes.

No matter how badly you want to try to gold wrap a turd, it is still a turd. The county's demographics stink. People their prime warning years (i.e. taxpayers who pay the most taxes) are imploding by 2030-2040. The only area of population growth for the county is from 'international migration' while domestic migration to the county is negative. The most international arrivals continue to be from countries like El Salvador, as the report shows. 'International migration' is code speak for illegal immigration, we all know it.

The county can try to to make up wealth fleeing through volume, but all the volume coming in from illegal migration will be poor. They will work jobs for cash under the table. Even if they report income, it'll likely be so low that the net after taxation on them minus the amount you have to spend on them will be negative.

There's no way to polish it. They're tearing up your neighborhoods because they demand US citizens upend their way of life in order to provide affordable housing for international migrants, who are the only source of population growth for the county.

All fear mongering. That’s your main thesis. “Be afraid of others”

In reality, Takoma Park already has SFH next door to multi unit buildings and has been this way for decades. Yet somehow Takoma Park remains highly desirable and safe. Many young families un Takoma Park are UMC professionals with high income and they live side by side with immigrants and lower income citizens. There is nothing to fear.

Takoma Park is not a safe city by any reasonable definition of “safe”. The assault rate is 1.9x the national average. The rate of car theft is 1.5x the national average and the murder rate is also . Literally, half of the crime in TP is from Ward 6 which has more than 50% multi-family housing. This statement is not a compelling argument or even accurate and it certainly does not suggest that eliminating single family zoning will enhance quality of life in MOCO.

Also its schools are overcrowded and it looks like crap in all but the most expensive parts which, not surprisingly, aren’t right next door to multiplexes.

All close-in schools are crowded. Nothing to do with mixed zoning. Takoma park doesn’t look much different than the rest of DC. Also, yes the multifamily buildings are next door to expensive homes.

People that moved to the suburbs don’t want areas “that don’t look much different than the rest of DC.”

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Anonymous wrote:Ha, just look at the demographic trends the county projected a few years ago:

https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf

You can see by the by 2030-2040, the number of people in MoCo who will be in their prime income earning years is rapidly declining while the county overall is either getting younger or a lot older. In other words, people with means are fleeing while the county gets a bunch of geriatric boomers. The only place where the county is getting growth from is laughably labeled as 'international migration', which we all know is basically illegal immigration (basically where the youth is from). The county has a net negative of domestic migration, meaning it is losing more domestic US citizens who are leaving the county than the number moving in, lol.

Long story short, US citizens with money are leaving MoCo, the only growth is largely from undocumented immigrants, and the tax base from those in their prime earning years is expected to rapidly dwindle over the next 15 years.

So who exactly is the county tearing down the housing for with these kinds of demographic trends? They're tearing down SFH and your neighborhoods for imported poverty from abroad, because there is a net negative of domestic residents of the USA moving to MoCo. White flight? Ha, that's old news. White people already started to flee way back in 2010, as the report shows. The ones who will keep fleeing MoCo are those with money. It's going to be hilarious watching as the county keeps getting poorer and poorer. The tax base is going to crumble, the destruction of neighborhoods is going to accelerate it, and the only solution they'll be able to come up for the loss of revenue is to keep increasing taxes. The impoverished people they're importing won't be able to pay the tax bills, so you know who they're going to target.

There is a whole ton of conjecture int his not tied to what is actually in the report.

The increase in *relative share* of older residents is a result of an aging population.

"The aging of baby boomers explains the percentage drop in the share of young adults, 20 to 34, from 26.5 percent in 1990 to 18.8 percent in 2016 with the forecasted decline slowing to 17.3 percent by 2040. This is the only age group decreasing in number (by 4,225 young adults), down 2.1 percent in 2016. Young adults are the most mobile age group, typically renters, some starting families, and they are the core of the county’s new residents." p. 29.

It is not tied to anybody "fleeing."

And as cited above the total tax revenue of the County is as healthy as any county in Maryland, with both real estate and income tax revenue INCREASING in 2023 over 2022.

But thank you for mentioning the aging population. Tending to their housing needs is another reason to increase and diversify the types of housing in the county.

Newsflash genius: of course tax REVENUE goes up as inflation goes up, lol. How shocking. The county already just INCREASED taxes. See how well it goes for revenues over time if your only solution is to keep increasing taxes.

No matter how badly you want to try to gold wrap a turd, it is still a turd. The county's demographics stink. People their prime warning years (i.e. taxpayers who pay the most taxes) are imploding by 2030-2040. The only area of population growth for the county is from 'international migration' while domestic migration to the county is negative. The most international arrivals continue to be from countries like El Salvador, as the report shows. 'International migration' is code speak for illegal immigration, we all know it.

The county can try to to make up wealth fleeing through volume, but all the volume coming in from illegal migration will be poor. They will work jobs for cash under the table. Even if they report income, it'll likely be so low that the net after taxation on them minus the amount you have to spend on them will be negative.

There's no way to polish it. They're tearing up your neighborhoods because they demand US citizens upend their way of life in order to provide affordable housing for international migrants, who are the only source of population growth for the county.

All fear mongering. That’s your main thesis. “Be afraid of others”

In reality, Takoma Park already has SFH next door to multi unit buildings and has been this way for decades. Yet somehow Takoma Park remains highly desirable and safe. Many young families un Takoma Park are UMC professionals with high income and they live side by side with immigrants and lower income citizens. There is nothing to fear.

Takoma Park is not a safe city by any reasonable definition of “safe”. The assault rate is 1.9x the national average. The rate of car theft is 1.5x the national average and the murder rate is also . Literally, half of the crime in TP is from Ward 6 which has more than 50% multi-family housing. This statement is not a compelling argument or even accurate and it certainly does not suggest that eliminating single family zoning will enhance quality of life in MOCO.

Also its schools are overcrowded and it looks like crap in all but the most expensive parts which, not surprisingly, aren’t right next door to multiplexes.

All close-in schools are crowded. Nothing to do with mixed zoning. Takoma park doesn’t look much different than the rest of DC. [b]Also, yes the multifamily buildings are next door to expensive homes.

- We are talking about MoCo, not DC. We don’t want the density of DC.

- I walk around TKPK a lot too. Have family there. The nicer parts don’t have multiplexes. They also have significantly less crime.

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Anonymous wrote:Ha, just look at the demographic trends the county projected a few years ago:

https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf

You can see by the by 2030-2040, the number of people in MoCo who will be in their prime income earning years is rapidly declining while the county overall is either getting younger or a lot older. In other words, people with means are fleeing while the county gets a bunch of geriatric boomers. The only place where the county is getting growth from is laughably labeled as 'international migration', which we all know is basically illegal immigration (basically where the youth is from). The county has a net negative of domestic migration, meaning it is losing more domestic US citizens who are leaving the county than the number moving in, lol.

Long story short, US citizens with money are leaving MoCo, the only growth is largely from undocumented immigrants, and the tax base from those in their prime earning years is expected to rapidly dwindle over the next 15 years.

So who exactly is the county tearing down the housing for with these kinds of demographic trends? They're tearing down SFH and your neighborhoods for imported poverty from abroad, because there is a net negative of domestic residents of the USA moving to MoCo. White flight? Ha, that's old news. White people already started to flee way back in 2010, as the report shows. The ones who will keep fleeing MoCo are those with money. It's going to be hilarious watching as the county keeps getting poorer and poorer. The tax base is going to crumble, the destruction of neighborhoods is going to accelerate it, and the only solution they'll be able to come up for the loss of revenue is to keep increasing taxes. The impoverished people they're importing won't be able to pay the tax bills, so you know who they're going to target.

There is a whole ton of conjecture int his not tied to what is actually in the report.

The increase in *relative share* of older residents is a result of an aging population.

"The aging of baby boomers explains the percentage drop in the share of young adults, 20 to 34, from 26.5 percent in 1990 to 18.8 percent in 2016 with the forecasted decline slowing to 17.3 percent by 2040. This is the only age group decreasing in number (by 4,225 young adults), down 2.1 percent in 2016. Young adults are the most mobile age group, typically renters, some starting families, and they are the core of the county’s new residents." p. 29.

It is not tied to anybody "fleeing."

And as cited above the total tax revenue of the County is as healthy as any county in Maryland, with both real estate and income tax revenue INCREASING in 2023 over 2022.

But thank you for mentioning the aging population. Tending to their housing needs is another reason to increase and diversify the types of housing in the county.

Newsflash genius: of course tax REVENUE goes up as inflation goes up, lol. How shocking. The county already just INCREASED taxes. See how well it goes for revenues over time if your only solution is to keep increasing taxes.

No matter how badly you want to try to gold wrap a turd, it is still a turd. The county's demographics stink. People their prime warning years (i.e. taxpayers who pay the most taxes) are imploding by 2030-2040. The only area of population growth for the county is from 'international migration' while domestic migration to the county is negative. The most international arrivals continue to be from countries like El Salvador, as the report shows. 'International migration' is code speak for illegal immigration, we all know it.

The county can try to to make up wealth fleeing through volume, but all the volume coming in from illegal migration will be poor. They will work jobs for cash under the table. Even if they report income, it'll likely be so low that the net after taxation on them minus the amount you have to spend on them will be negative.

There's no way to polish it. They're tearing up your neighborhoods because they demand US citizens upend their way of life in order to provide affordable housing for international migrants, who are the only source of population growth for the county.

All fear mongering. That’s your main thesis. “Be afraid of others”

In reality, Takoma Park already has SFH next door to multi unit buildings and has been this way for decades. Yet somehow Takoma Park remains highly desirable and safe. Many young families un Takoma Park are UMC professionals with high income and they live side by side with immigrants and lower income citizens. There is nothing to fear.

Takoma Park is not a safe city by any reasonable definition of “safe”. The assault rate is 1.9x the national average. The rate of car theft is 1.5x the national average and the murder rate is also . Literally, half of the crime in TP is from Ward 6 which has more than 50% multi-family housing. This statement is not a compelling argument or even accurate and it certainly does not suggest that eliminating single family zoning will enhance quality of life in MOCO.

Also its schools are overcrowded and it looks like crap in all but the most expensive parts which, not surprisingly, aren’t right next door to multiplexes.

All close-in schools are crowded. Nothing to do with mixed zoning. Takoma park doesn’t look much different than the rest of DC. Also, yes the multifamily buildings are next door to expensive homes.

Of course overcrowding will get worse if you are cramming multiplexes into plots once occupied by SFH. MCPS can barely keep up with overcapacity schools as it is. Actually, it’s not keeping up with overcapacity schools. And half the schools are in bad need of renovations and updating. This makes it worse. Typical developer talking points that dismiss the quality of life of people who actually live in there areas.

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A small explainer with some good background - useful to read before the listening session

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5ded17586597cc7e187c7388/t/66e720d98ca24d4acc2832a9/1726423257245/00-AHS+Explainer-final-b.pdf?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3o0NP9nXuxh854vempWg9_HkTzi0bBkDF1-eMrnc8MYUNL1VQsXw0Jneo_aem_Yr2CIDst5s7f02rDNcHgpQ

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Anonymous wrote:Ha, just look at the demographic trends the county projected a few years ago:

https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf

You can see by the by 2030-2040, the number of people in MoCo who will be in their prime income earning years is rapidly declining while the county overall is either getting younger or a lot older. In other words, people with means are fleeing while the county gets a bunch of geriatric boomers. The only place where the county is getting growth from is laughably labeled as 'international migration', which we all know is basically illegal immigration (basically where the youth is from). The county has a net negative of domestic migration, meaning it is losing more domestic US citizens who are leaving the county than the number moving in, lol.

Long story short, US citizens with money are leaving MoCo, the only growth is largely from undocumented immigrants, and the tax base from those in their prime earning years is expected to rapidly dwindle over the next 15 years.

So who exactly is the county tearing down the housing for with these kinds of demographic trends? They're tearing down SFH and your neighborhoods for imported poverty from abroad, because there is a net negative of domestic residents of the USA moving to MoCo. White flight? Ha, that's old news. White people already started to flee way back in 2010, as the report shows. The ones who will keep fleeing MoCo are those with money. It's going to be hilarious watching as the county keeps getting poorer and poorer. The tax base is going to crumble, the destruction of neighborhoods is going to accelerate it, and the only solution they'll be able to come up for the loss of revenue is to keep increasing taxes. The impoverished people they're importing won't be able to pay the tax bills, so you know who they're going to target.

There is a whole ton of conjecture int his not tied to what is actually in the report.

The increase in *relative share* of older residents is a result of an aging population.

"The aging of baby boomers explains the percentage drop in the share of young adults, 20 to 34, from 26.5 percent in 1990 to 18.8 percent in 2016 with the forecasted decline slowing to 17.3 percent by 2040. This is the only age group decreasing in number (by 4,225 young adults), down 2.1 percent in 2016. Young adults are the most mobile age group, typically renters, some starting families, and they are the core of the county’s new residents." p. 29.

It is not tied to anybody "fleeing."

And as cited above the total tax revenue of the County is as healthy as any county in Maryland, with both real estate and income tax revenue INCREASING in 2023 over 2022.

But thank you for mentioning the aging population. Tending to their housing needs is another reason to increase and diversify the types of housing in the county.

Newsflash genius: of course tax REVENUE goes up as inflation goes up, lol. How shocking. The county already just INCREASED taxes. See how well it goes for revenues over time if your only solution is to keep increasing taxes.

No matter how badly you want to try to gold wrap a turd, it is still a turd. The county's demographics stink. People their prime warning years (i.e. taxpayers who pay the most taxes) are imploding by 2030-2040. The only area of population growth for the county is from 'international migration' while domestic migration to the county is negative. The most international arrivals continue to be from countries like El Salvador, as the report shows. 'International migration' is code speak for illegal immigration, we all know it.

The county can try to to make up wealth fleeing through volume, but all the volume coming in from illegal migration will be poor. They will work jobs for cash under the table. Even if they report income, it'll likely be so low that the net after taxation on them minus the amount you have to spend on them will be negative.

There's no way to polish it. They're tearing up your neighborhoods because they demand US citizens upend their way of life in order to provide affordable housing for international migrants, who are the only source of population growth for the county.

All fear mongering. That’s your main thesis. “Be afraid of others”

In reality, Takoma Park already has SFH next door to multi unit buildings and has been this way for decades. Yet somehow Takoma Park remains highly desirable and safe. Many young families un Takoma Park are UMC professionals with high income and they live side by side with immigrants and lower income citizens. There is nothing to fear.

Takoma Park is not a safe city by any reasonable definition of “safe”. The assault rate is 1.9x the national average. The rate of car theft is 1.5x the national average and the murder rate is also . Literally, half of the crime in TP is from Ward 6 which has more than 50% multi-family housing. This statement is not a compelling argument or even accurate and it certainly does not suggest that eliminating single family zoning will enhance quality of life in MOCO.

Well I actually live here and I walk around with my kids everywhere and never have any issues. You are just a fear monger.

Let’s look at a real neighborhood with a mix of housing types side by side.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/e16jiXoZa3EwkB7R8?g_st=ic

This is in a perfectly safe neighborhood with expensive houses next door to multifamily that has been that way for decades. I know this street very well so you cant BS me about crime etc. Please tell me why that neighborhood is so bad.

Making a factual statement about crime rate is not fear mongering. Whether crime is high or a neighborhood is unsafe is more of an opinion based on individual risk tolerance levels. However, the crime rate for TP is higher than the national average. So I personally would consider this to be a relatively unsafe place and would not live there. Your street may be “safe” but the entire city is only 2.1 Sq miles. Unfortunately, there is not much of a buffer between your street and the sections of TP that make the crime rate higher than the national average.

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Anonymous wrote:Ha, just look at the demographic trends the county projected a few years ago:

https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf

You can see by the by 2030-2040, the number of people in MoCo who will be in their prime income earning years is rapidly declining while the county overall is either getting younger or a lot older. In other words, people with means are fleeing while the county gets a bunch of geriatric boomers. The only place where the county is getting growth from is laughably labeled as 'international migration', which we all know is basically illegal immigration (basically where the youth is from). The county has a net negative of domestic migration, meaning it is losing more domestic US citizens who are leaving the county than the number moving in, lol.

Long story short, US citizens with money are leaving MoCo, the only growth is largely from undocumented immigrants, and the tax base from those in their prime earning years is expected to rapidly dwindle over the next 15 years.

So who exactly is the county tearing down the housing for with these kinds of demographic trends? They're tearing down SFH and your neighborhoods for imported poverty from abroad, because there is a net negative of domestic residents of the USA moving to MoCo. White flight? Ha, that's old news. White people already started to flee way back in 2010, as the report shows. The ones who will keep fleeing MoCo are those with money. It's going to be hilarious watching as the county keeps getting poorer and poorer. The tax base is going to crumble, the destruction of neighborhoods is going to accelerate it, and the only solution they'll be able to come up for the loss of revenue is to keep increasing taxes. The impoverished people they're importing won't be able to pay the tax bills, so you know who they're going to target.

There is a whole ton of conjecture int his not tied to what is actually in the report.

The increase in *relative share* of older residents is a result of an aging population.

"The aging of baby boomers explains the percentage drop in the share of young adults, 20 to 34, from 26.5 percent in 1990 to 18.8 percent in 2016 with the forecasted decline slowing to 17.3 percent by 2040. This is the only age group decreasing in number (by 4,225 young adults), down 2.1 percent in 2016. Young adults are the most mobile age group, typically renters, some starting families, and they are the core of the county’s new residents." p. 29.

It is not tied to anybody "fleeing."

And as cited above the total tax revenue of the County is as healthy as any county in Maryland, with both real estate and income tax revenue INCREASING in 2023 over 2022.

But thank you for mentioning the aging population. Tending to their housing needs is another reason to increase and diversify the types of housing in the county.

Newsflash genius: of course tax REVENUE goes up as inflation goes up, lol. How shocking. The county already just INCREASED taxes. See how well it goes for revenues over time if your only solution is to keep increasing taxes.

No matter how badly you want to try to gold wrap a turd, it is still a turd. The county's demographics stink. People their prime warning years (i.e. taxpayers who pay the most taxes) are imploding by 2030-2040. The only area of population growth for the county is from 'international migration' while domestic migration to the county is negative. The most international arrivals continue to be from countries like El Salvador, as the report shows. 'International migration' is code speak for illegal immigration, we all know it.

The county can try to to make up wealth fleeing through volume, but all the volume coming in from illegal migration will be poor. They will work jobs for cash under the table. Even if they report income, it'll likely be so low that the net after taxation on them minus the amount you have to spend on them will be negative.

There's no way to polish it. They're tearing up your neighborhoods because they demand US citizens upend their way of life in order to provide affordable housing for international migrants, who are the only source of population growth for the county.

All fear mongering. That’s your main thesis. “Be afraid of others”

In reality, Takoma Park already has SFH next door to multi unit buildings and has been this way for decades. Yet somehow Takoma Park remains highly desirable and safe. Many young families un Takoma Park are UMC professionals with high income and they live side by side with immigrants and lower income citizens. There is nothing to fear.

Takoma Park is not a safe city by any reasonable definition of “safe”. The assault rate is 1.9x the national average. The rate of car theft is 1.5x the national average and the murder rate is also . Literally, half of the crime in TP is from Ward 6 which has more than 50% multi-family housing. This statement is not a compelling argument or even accurate and it certainly does not suggest that eliminating single family zoning will enhance quality of life in MOCO.

Well I actually live here and I walk around with my kids everywhere and never have any issues. You are just a fear monger.

Let’s look at a real neighborhood with a mix of housing types side by side.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/e16jiXoZa3EwkB7R8?g_st=ic

This is in a perfectly safe neighborhood with expensive houses next door to multifamily that has been that way for decades. I know this street very well so you cant BS me about crime etc. Please tell me why that neighborhood is so bad.

Making a factual statement about crime rate is not fear mongering. Whether crime is high or a neighborhood is unsafe is more of an opinion based on individual risk tolerance levels. However, the crime rate for TP is higher than the national average. So I personally would consider this to be a relatively unsafe place and would not live there. Your street may be “safe” but the entire city is only 2.1 Sq miles. Unfortunately, there is not much of a buffer between your street and the sections of TP that make the crime rate higher than the national average.

Genuinely curious since I don't know where this stat is from- How does TP compare to the regional average around the DMV? Or MoCo? Seems like that would be more relevant. But I don't know...