MoCo seeking feedback on proposal to limit single family zoning

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Anonymous wrote:It annoys the crap out of me that developers, realtors and mortgage brokers are out here using this anonymous board for their arguments.

You can't fathom the concept of people wanting housing to be affordable for their kids? I've got two-- lower elementary. 20 more years of housing costs going up considerably faster than incomes is not going to make a good world for them. And as a fed, I'm not exactly in a position to give them trust funds.

DP

Lifelong county resident raising a handful of kids in MoCo. Given the lack of affordable housing and related services (eg, childcare, insurance, groceries, etc. are ridiculously expensive here) coupled with the shifting demographics impacting public schools, I’m coming to grips with the reality that my kids aren’t likely to plant roots here. My spouse and I will likely downsize and retire near wherever our kids land.

The Atlantic and several other outlets are sounding the alarm on affluent/educated/mostly white flight from blue cities and their previously highly rated suburbs. Moco has already experienced this and I am confident this housing proposal will only foster more flight.

If this was a uniquely MoCo/DMV problem, then sure. But the same problems are going on pretty much everywhere it is desirable to live.

False. I do not see these issues in red zip codes. Of course, DCUM would never consider living there, but the reality is that what you are seeking is often found there.

Right. Red zip codes aren't desirable places to live, so housing costs aren't as much of a problem there.

Again, false. The sun belt is booming. I spend time in these places and the quality of life is far better than MD.

Not in the red zip codes.

Keep telling yourself that as your charming neighborhood gets rezoned and an octoplex goes up next door. I will be enjoying life having moved to a picturesque community with virtually no crime and good schools. Thank goodness that sane zoning remains in non-progressive strongholds.

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Anonymous wrote:It annoys the crap out of me that developers, realtors and mortgage brokers are out here using this anonymous board for their arguments.

You can't fathom the concept of people wanting housing to be affordable for their kids? I've got two-- lower elementary. 20 more years of housing costs going up considerably faster than incomes is not going to make a good world for them. And as a fed, I'm not exactly in a position to give them trust funds.

DP

Lifelong county resident raising a handful of kids in MoCo. Given the lack of affordable housing and related services (eg, childcare, insurance, groceries, etc. are ridiculously expensive here) coupled with the shifting demographics impacting public schools, I’m coming to grips with the reality that my kids aren’t likely to plant roots here. My spouse and I will likely downsize and retire near wherever our kids land.

The Atlantic and several other outlets are sounding the alarm on affluent/educated/mostly white flight from blue cities and their previously highly rated suburbs. Moco has already experienced this and I am confident this housing proposal will only foster more flight.

If this was a uniquely MoCo/DMV problem, then sure. But the same problems are going on pretty much everywhere it is desirable to live.

False. I do not see these issues in red zip codes. Of course, DCUM would never consider living there, but the reality is that what you are seeking is often found there.

Right. Red zip codes aren't desirable places to live, so housing costs aren't as much of a problem there.

Again, false. The sun belt is booming. I spend time in these places and the quality of life is far better than MD.

Not in the red zip codes.

Keep telling yourself that as your charming neighborhood gets rezoned and an octoplex goes up next door. I will be enjoying life having moved to a picturesque community with virtually no crime and good schools. Thank goodness that sane zoning remains in non-progressive strongholds.

It's really bizarre that you find that so threatening. I really mean that. Have you ever lived near townhomes, condos, or apartments?

[Anonymous]

Your attainable housing parking future:

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2024/09/no-savies-silver-spring-neighbors-frustrated-over-the-lack-of-parking/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It annoys the crap out of me that developers, realtors and mortgage brokers are out here using this anonymous board for their arguments.

You can't fathom the concept of people wanting housing to be affordable for their kids? I've got two-- lower elementary. 20 more years of housing costs going up considerably faster than incomes is not going to make a good world for them. And as a fed, I'm not exactly in a position to give them trust funds.

DP

Lifelong county resident raising a handful of kids in MoCo. Given the lack of affordable housing and related services (eg, childcare, insurance, groceries, etc. are ridiculously expensive here) coupled with the shifting demographics impacting public schools, I’m coming to grips with the reality that my kids aren’t likely to plant roots here. My spouse and I will likely downsize and retire near wherever our kids land.

The Atlantic and several other outlets are sounding the alarm on affluent/educated/mostly white flight from blue cities and their previously highly rated suburbs. Moco has already experienced this and I am confident this housing proposal will only foster more flight.

If this was a uniquely MoCo/DMV problem, then sure. But the same problems are going on pretty much everywhere it is desirable to live.

Correct.

And you can see what happens when the affluent, educated taxpayers move away and immigrants who operate in cash under the table move in. Keep an eye on Chicago and its suburbs.

This is absolutely happening in Montgomery County. There is an entire underground cash economy going on.

Obviously.

It’s well documented that the county’s tax base is shrinking, and the shifting demographics that operate in cash under the table plays a primary role.

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Anonymous wrote:It annoys the crap out of me that developers, realtors and mortgage brokers are out here using this anonymous board for their arguments.

You can't fathom the concept of people wanting housing to be affordable for their kids? I've got two-- lower elementary. 20 more years of housing costs going up considerably faster than incomes is not going to make a good world for them. And as a fed, I'm not exactly in a position to give them trust funds.

DP

Lifelong county resident raising a handful of kids in MoCo. Given the lack of affordable housing and related services (eg, childcare, insurance, groceries, etc. are ridiculously expensive here) coupled with the shifting demographics impacting public schools, I’m coming to grips with the reality that my kids aren’t likely to plant roots here. My spouse and I will likely downsize and retire near wherever our kids land.

The Atlantic and several other outlets are sounding the alarm on affluent/educated/mostly white flight from blue cities and their previously highly rated suburbs. Moco has already experienced this and I am confident this housing proposal will only foster more flight.

If this was a uniquely MoCo/DMV problem, then sure. But the same problems are going on pretty much everywhere it is desirable to live.

Correct.

And you can see what happens when the affluent, educated taxpayers move away and immigrants who operate in cash under the table move in. Keep an eye on Chicago and its suburbs.

This is absolutely happening in Montgomery County. There is an entire underground cash economy going on.

Obviously.

It’s well documented that the county’s tax base is shrinking, and the shifting demographics that operate in cash under the table plays a primary role.

While it is true that tax revenue has gone down in some ways.....Montgomery County is doing better by almost any measure than the other county's in Maryland. Both income tax revenues and real estate tax revenues went UP in 2023.

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Anonymous wrote:It annoys the crap out of me that developers, realtors and mortgage brokers are out here using this anonymous board for their arguments.

You can't fathom the concept of people wanting housing to be affordable for their kids? I've got two-- lower elementary. 20 more years of housing costs going up considerably faster than incomes is not going to make a good world for them. And as a fed, I'm not exactly in a position to give them trust funds.

DP

Lifelong county resident raising a handful of kids in MoCo. Given the lack of affordable housing and related services (eg, childcare, insurance, groceries, etc. are ridiculously expensive here) coupled with the shifting demographics impacting public schools, I’m coming to grips with the reality that my kids aren’t likely to plant roots here. My spouse and I will likely downsize and retire near wherever our kids land.

The Atlantic and several other outlets are sounding the alarm on affluent/educated/mostly white flight from blue cities and their previously highly rated suburbs. Moco has already experienced this and I am confident this housing proposal will only foster more flight.

If this was a uniquely MoCo/DMV problem, then sure. But the same problems are going on pretty much everywhere it is desirable to live.

False. I do not see these issues in red zip codes. Of course, DCUM would never consider living there, but the reality is that what you are seeking is often found there.

Right. Red zip codes aren't desirable places to live, so housing costs aren't as much of a problem there.

Again, false. The sun belt is booming. I spend time in these places and the quality of life is far better than MD.

Not in the red zip codes.

Keep telling yourself that as your charming neighborhood gets rezoned and an octoplex goes up next door. I will be enjoying life having moved to a picturesque community with virtually no crime and good schools. Thank goodness that sane zoning remains in non-progressive strongholds.

"octoplex", ooo, sounds scary

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Anonymous wrote:It annoys the crap out of me that developers, realtors and mortgage brokers are out here using this anonymous board for their arguments.

You can't fathom the concept of people wanting housing to be affordable for their kids? I've got two-- lower elementary. 20 more years of housing costs going up considerably faster than incomes is not going to make a good world for them. And as a fed, I'm not exactly in a position to give them trust funds.

DP

Lifelong county resident raising a handful of kids in MoCo. Given the lack of affordable housing and related services (eg, childcare, insurance, groceries, etc. are ridiculously expensive here) coupled with the shifting demographics impacting public schools, I’m coming to grips with the reality that my kids aren’t likely to plant roots here. My spouse and I will likely downsize and retire near wherever our kids land.

The Atlantic and several other outlets are sounding the alarm on affluent/educated/mostly white flight from blue cities and their previously highly rated suburbs. Moco has already experienced this and I am confident this housing proposal will only foster more flight.

If this was a uniquely MoCo/DMV problem, then sure. But the same problems are going on pretty much everywhere it is desirable to live.

False. I do not see these issues in red zip codes. Of course, DCUM would never consider living there, but the reality is that what you are seeking is often found there.

Right. Red zip codes aren't desirable places to live, so housing costs aren't as much of a problem there.

Again, false. The sun belt is booming. I spend time in these places and the quality of life is far better than MD.

Not in the red zip codes.

Keep telling yourself that as your charming neighborhood gets rezoned and an octoplex goes up next door. I will be enjoying life having moved to a picturesque community with virtually no crime and good schools. Thank goodness that sane zoning remains in non-progressive strongholds.

"octoplex", ooo, sounds scary

They are neighborhood destroyers. 8x the density will ravage neighborhoods created overcrowded and unsafe communities.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It annoys the crap out of me that developers, realtors and mortgage brokers are out here using this anonymous board for their arguments.

You can't fathom the concept of people wanting housing to be affordable for their kids? I've got two-- lower elementary. 20 more years of housing costs going up considerably faster than incomes is not going to make a good world for them. And as a fed, I'm not exactly in a position to give them trust funds.

DP

Lifelong county resident raising a handful of kids in MoCo. Given the lack of affordable housing and related services (eg, childcare, insurance, groceries, etc. are ridiculously expensive here) coupled with the shifting demographics impacting public schools, I’m coming to grips with the reality that my kids aren’t likely to plant roots here. My spouse and I will likely downsize and retire near wherever our kids land.

The Atlantic and several other outlets are sounding the alarm on affluent/educated/mostly white flight from blue cities and their previously highly rated suburbs. Moco has already experienced this and I am confident this housing proposal will only foster more flight.

If this was a uniquely MoCo/DMV problem, then sure. But the same problems are going on pretty much everywhere it is desirable to live.

False. I do not see these issues in red zip codes. Of course, DCUM would never consider living there, but the reality is that what you are seeking is often found there.

Right. Red zip codes aren't desirable places to live, so housing costs aren't as much of a problem there.

Again, false. The sun belt is booming. I spend time in these places and the quality of life is far better than MD.

Not in the red zip codes.

Keep telling yourself that as your charming neighborhood gets rezoned and an octoplex goes up next door. I will be enjoying life having moved to a picturesque community with virtually no crime and good schools. Thank goodness that sane zoning remains in non-progressive strongholds.

"octoplex", ooo, sounds scary

They are neighborhood destroyers. 8x the density will ravage neighborhoods created overcrowded and unsafe communities.

Destruction! Ravaging! Danger! Destruction!

Or something.

[Anonymous]

Ha, just look at the demographic trends the county projected a few years ago:

https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf

You can see by the by 2030-2040, the number of people in MoCo who will be in their prime income earning years is rapidly declining while the county overall is either getting younger or a lot older. In other words, people with means are fleeing while the county gets a bunch of geriatric boomers. The only place where the county is getting growth from is laughably labeled as 'international migration', which we all know is basically illegal immigration (basically where the youth is from). The county has a net negative of domestic migration, meaning it is losing more domestic US citizens who are leaving the county than the number moving in, lol.

Long story short, US citizens with money are leaving MoCo, the only growth is largely from undocumented immigrants, and the tax base from those in their prime earning years is expected to rapidly dwindle over the next 15 years.

So who exactly is the county tearing down the housing for with these kinds of demographic trends? They're tearing down SFH and your neighborhoods for imported poverty from abroad, because there is a net negative of domestic residents of the USA moving to MoCo. White flight? Ha, that's old news. White people already started to flee way back in 2010, as the report shows. The ones who will keep fleeing MoCo are those with money. It's going to be hilarious watching as the county keeps getting poorer and poorer. The tax base is going to crumble, the destruction of neighborhoods is going to accelerate it, and the only solution they'll be able to come up for the loss of revenue is to keep increasing taxes. The impoverished people they're importing won't be able to pay the tax bills, so you know who they're going to target.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ha, just look at the demographic trends the county projected a few years ago:

https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf

You can see by the by 2030-2040, the number of people in MoCo who will be in their prime income earning years is rapidly declining while the county overall is either getting younger or a lot older. In other words, people with means are fleeing while the county gets a bunch of geriatric boomers. The only place where the county is getting growth from is laughably labeled as 'international migration', which we all know is basically illegal immigration (basically where the youth is from). The county has a net negative of domestic migration, meaning it is losing more domestic US citizens who are leaving the county than the number moving in, lol.

Long story short, US citizens with money are leaving MoCo, the only growth is largely from undocumented immigrants, and the tax base from those in their prime earning years is expected to rapidly dwindle over the next 15 years.

So who exactly is the county tearing down the housing for with these kinds of demographic trends? They're tearing down SFH and your neighborhoods for imported poverty from abroad, because there is a net negative of domestic residents of the USA moving to MoCo. White flight? Ha, that's old news. White people already started to flee way back in 2010, as the report shows. The ones who will keep fleeing MoCo are those with money. It's going to be hilarious watching as the county keeps getting poorer and poorer. The tax base is going to crumble, the destruction of neighborhoods is going to accelerate it, and the only solution they'll be able to come up for the loss of revenue is to keep increasing taxes. The impoverished people they're importing won't be able to pay the tax bills, so you know who they're going to target.

They don’t care about wealth flight, they think that they are going to make it up in volume. It’s all part of their urban density fantasy coloring book.

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Anonymous wrote:Ha, just look at the demographic trends the county projected a few years ago:

https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf

You can see by the by 2030-2040, the number of people in MoCo who will be in their prime income earning years is rapidly declining while the county overall is either getting younger or a lot older. In other words, people with means are fleeing while the county gets a bunch of geriatric boomers. The only place where the county is getting growth from is laughably labeled as 'international migration', which we all know is basically illegal immigration (basically where the youth is from). The county has a net negative of domestic migration, meaning it is losing more domestic US citizens who are leaving the county than the number moving in, lol.

Long story short, US citizens with money are leaving MoCo, the only growth is largely from undocumented immigrants, and the tax base from those in their prime earning years is expected to rapidly dwindle over the next 15 years.

So who exactly is the county tearing down the housing for with these kinds of demographic trends? They're tearing down SFH and your neighborhoods for imported poverty from abroad, because there is a net negative of domestic residents of the USA moving to MoCo. White flight? Ha, that's old news. White people already started to flee way back in 2010, as the report shows. The ones who will keep fleeing MoCo are those with money. It's going to be hilarious watching as the county keeps getting poorer and poorer. The tax base is going to crumble, the destruction of neighborhoods is going to accelerate it, and the only solution they'll be able to come up for the loss of revenue is to keep increasing taxes. The impoverished people they're importing won't be able to pay the tax bills, so you know who they're going to target.

There is a whole ton of conjecture int his not tied to what is actually in the report.

The increase in *relative share* of older residents is a result of an aging population.

"The aging of baby boomers explains the percentage drop in the share of young adults, 20 to 34, from 26.5 percent in 1990 to 18.8 percent in 2016 with the forecasted decline slowing to 17.3 percent by 2040. This is the only age group decreasing in number (by 4,225 young adults), down 2.1 percent in 2016. Young adults are the most mobile age group, typically renters, some starting families, and they are the core of the county’s new residents." p. 29.

It is not tied to anybody "fleeing."

And as cited above the total tax revenue of the County is as healthy as any county in Maryland, with both real estate and income tax revenue INCREASING in 2023 over 2022.

But thank you for mentioning the aging population. Tending to their housing needs is another reason to increase and diversify the types of housing in the county.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ha, just look at the demographic trends the county projected a few years ago:

https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf

You can see by the by 2030-2040, the number of people in MoCo who will be in their prime income earning years is rapidly declining while the county overall is either getting younger or a lot older. In other words, people with means are fleeing while the county gets a bunch of geriatric boomers. The only place where the county is getting growth from is laughably labeled as 'international migration', which we all know is basically illegal immigration (basically where the youth is from). The county has a net negative of domestic migration, meaning it is losing more domestic US citizens who are leaving the county than the number moving in, lol.

Long story short, US citizens with money are leaving MoCo, the only growth is largely from undocumented immigrants, and the tax base from those in their prime earning years is expected to rapidly dwindle over the next 15 years.

So who exactly is the county tearing down the housing for with these kinds of demographic trends? They're tearing down SFH and your neighborhoods for imported poverty from abroad, because there is a net negative of domestic residents of the USA moving to MoCo. White flight? Ha, that's old news. White people already started to flee way back in 2010, as the report shows. The ones who will keep fleeing MoCo are those with money. It's going to be hilarious watching as the county keeps getting poorer and poorer. The tax base is going to crumble, the destruction of neighborhoods is going to accelerate it, and the only solution they'll be able to come up for the loss of revenue is to keep increasing taxes. The impoverished people they're importing won't be able to pay the tax bills, so you know who they're going to target.

There is a whole ton of conjecture int his not tied to what is actually in the report.

The increase in *relative share* of older residents is a result of an aging population.

"The aging of baby boomers explains the percentage drop in the share of young adults, 20 to 34, from 26.5 percent in 1990 to 18.8 percent in 2016 with the forecasted decline slowing to 17.3 percent by 2040. This is the only age group decreasing in number (by 4,225 young adults), down 2.1 percent in 2016. Young adults are the most mobile age group, typically renters, some starting families, and they are the core of the county’s new residents." p. 29.

It is not tied to anybody "fleeing."

And as cited above the total tax revenue of the County is as healthy as any county in Maryland, with both real estate and income tax revenue INCREASING in 2023 over 2022.

But thank you for mentioning the aging population. Tending to their housing needs is another reason to increase and diversify the types of housing in the county.

Newsflash genius: of course tax REVENUE goes up as inflation goes up, lol. How shocking. The county already just INCREASED taxes. See how well it goes for revenues over time if your only solution is to keep increasing taxes.

No matter how badly you want to try to gold wrap a turd, it is still a turd. The county's demographics stink. People their prime warning years (i.e. taxpayers who pay the most taxes) are imploding by 2030-2040. The only area of population growth for the county is from 'international migration' while domestic migration to the county is negative. The most international arrivals continue to be from countries like El Salvador, as the report shows. 'International migration' is code speak for illegal immigration, we all know it.

The county can try to to make up wealth fleeing through volume, but all the volume coming in from illegal migration will be poor. They will work jobs for cash under the table. Even if they report income, it'll likely be so low that the net after taxation on them minus the amount you have to spend on them will be negative.

There's no way to polish it. They're tearing up your neighborhoods because they demand US citizens upend their way of life in order to provide affordable housing for international migrants, who are the only source of population growth for the county.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ha, just look at the demographic trends the county projected a few years ago:

https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf

You can see by the by 2030-2040, the number of people in MoCo who will be in their prime income earning years is rapidly declining while the county overall is either getting younger or a lot older. In other words, people with means are fleeing while the county gets a bunch of geriatric boomers. The only place where the county is getting growth from is laughably labeled as 'international migration', which we all know is basically illegal immigration (basically where the youth is from). The county has a net negative of domestic migration, meaning it is losing more domestic US citizens who are leaving the county than the number moving in, lol.

Long story short, US citizens with money are leaving MoCo, the only growth is largely from undocumented immigrants, and the tax base from those in their prime earning years is expected to rapidly dwindle over the next 15 years.

So who exactly is the county tearing down the housing for with these kinds of demographic trends? They're tearing down SFH and your neighborhoods for imported poverty from abroad, because there is a net negative of domestic residents of the USA moving to MoCo. White flight? Ha, that's old news. White people already started to flee way back in 2010, as the report shows. The ones who will keep fleeing MoCo are those with money. It's going to be hilarious watching as the county keeps getting poorer and poorer. The tax base is going to crumble, the destruction of neighborhoods is going to accelerate it, and the only solution they'll be able to come up for the loss of revenue is to keep increasing taxes. The impoverished people they're importing won't be able to pay the tax bills, so you know who they're going to target.

There is a whole ton of conjecture int his not tied to what is actually in the report.

The increase in *relative share* of older residents is a result of an aging population.

"The aging of baby boomers explains the percentage drop in the share of young adults, 20 to 34, from 26.5 percent in 1990 to 18.8 percent in 2016 with the forecasted decline slowing to 17.3 percent by 2040. This is the only age group decreasing in number (by 4,225 young adults), down 2.1 percent in 2016. Young adults are the most mobile age group, typically renters, some starting families, and they are the core of the county’s new residents." p. 29.

It is not tied to anybody "fleeing."

And as cited above the total tax revenue of the County is as healthy as any county in Maryland, with both real estate and income tax revenue INCREASING in 2023 over 2022.

But thank you for mentioning the aging population. Tending to their housing needs is another reason to increase and diversify the types of housing in the county.

Newsflash genius: of course tax REVENUE goes up as inflation goes up, lol. How shocking. The county already just INCREASED taxes. See how well it goes for revenues over time if your only solution is to keep increasing taxes.

No matter how badly you want to try to gold wrap a turd, it is still a turd. The county's demographics stink. People their prime warning years (i.e. taxpayers who pay the most taxes) are imploding by 2030-2040. The only area of population growth for the county is from 'international migration' while domestic migration to the county is negative. The most international arrivals continue to be from countries like El Salvador, as the report shows. 'International migration' is code speak for illegal immigration, we all know it.

The county can try to to make up wealth fleeing through volume, but all the volume coming in from illegal migration will be poor. They will work jobs for cash under the table. Even if they report income, it'll likely be so low that the net after taxation on them minus the amount you have to spend on them will be negative.

There's no way to polish it. They're tearing up your neighborhoods because they demand US citizens upend their way of life in order to provide affordable housing for international migrants, who are the only source of population growth for the county.

All fear mongering. That’s your main thesis. “Be afraid of others”

In reality, Takoma Park already has SFH next door to multi unit buildings and has been this way for decades. Yet somehow Takoma Park remains highly desirable and safe. Many young families un Takoma Park are UMC professionals with high income and they live side by side with immigrants and lower income citizens. There is nothing to fear.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ha, just look at the demographic trends the county projected a few years ago:

https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf

You can see by the by 2030-2040, the number of people in MoCo who will be in their prime income earning years is rapidly declining while the county overall is either getting younger or a lot older. In other words, people with means are fleeing while the county gets a bunch of geriatric boomers. The only place where the county is getting growth from is laughably labeled as 'international migration', which we all know is basically illegal immigration (basically where the youth is from). The county has a net negative of domestic migration, meaning it is losing more domestic US citizens who are leaving the county than the number moving in, lol.

Long story short, US citizens with money are leaving MoCo, the only growth is largely from undocumented immigrants, and the tax base from those in their prime earning years is expected to rapidly dwindle over the next 15 years.

So who exactly is the county tearing down the housing for with these kinds of demographic trends? They're tearing down SFH and your neighborhoods for imported poverty from abroad, because there is a net negative of domestic residents of the USA moving to MoCo. White flight? Ha, that's old news. White people already started to flee way back in 2010, as the report shows. The ones who will keep fleeing MoCo are those with money. It's going to be hilarious watching as the county keeps getting poorer and poorer. The tax base is going to crumble, the destruction of neighborhoods is going to accelerate it, and the only solution they'll be able to come up for the loss of revenue is to keep increasing taxes. The impoverished people they're importing won't be able to pay the tax bills, so you know who they're going to target.

There is a whole ton of conjecture int his not tied to what is actually in the report.

The increase in *relative share* of older residents is a result of an aging population.

"The aging of baby boomers explains the percentage drop in the share of young adults, 20 to 34, from 26.5 percent in 1990 to 18.8 percent in 2016 with the forecasted decline slowing to 17.3 percent by 2040. This is the only age group decreasing in number (by 4,225 young adults), down 2.1 percent in 2016. Young adults are the most mobile age group, typically renters, some starting families, and they are the core of the county’s new residents." p. 29.

It is not tied to anybody "fleeing."

And as cited above the total tax revenue of the County is as healthy as any county in Maryland, with both real estate and income tax revenue INCREASING in 2023 over 2022.

But thank you for mentioning the aging population. Tending to their housing needs is another reason to increase and diversify the types of housing in the county.

Newsflash genius: of course tax REVENUE goes up as inflation goes up, lol. How shocking. The county already just INCREASED taxes. See how well it goes for revenues over time if your only solution is to keep increasing taxes.

No matter how badly you want to try to gold wrap a turd, it is still a turd. The county's demographics stink. People their prime warning years (i.e. taxpayers who pay the most taxes) are imploding by 2030-2040. The only area of population growth for the county is from 'international migration' while domestic migration to the county is negative. The most international arrivals continue to be from countries like El Salvador, as the report shows. 'International migration' is code speak for illegal immigration, we all know it.

The county can try to to make up wealth fleeing through volume, but all the volume coming in from illegal migration will be poor. They will work jobs for cash under the table. Even if they report income, it'll likely be so low that the net after taxation on them minus the amount you have to spend on them will be negative.

There's no way to polish it. They're tearing up your neighborhoods because they demand US citizens upend their way of life in order to provide affordable housing for international migrants, who are the only source of population growth for the county.

All fear mongering. That’s your main thesis. “Be afraid of others”

In reality, Takoma Park already has SFH next door to multi unit buildings and has been this way for decades. Yet somehow Takoma Park remains highly desirable and safe. Many young families un Takoma Park are UMC professionals with high income and they live side by side with immigrants and lower income citizens. There is nothing to fear.

Excellent, the county should upzone all of Takoma Park, study the results, and then prepare a report on the effects over 5 years. They can then apply the lessons learned to build a wider policy as phase II.

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Anonymous wrote:Ha, just look at the demographic trends the county projected a few years ago:

https://montgomeryplanning.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MP_TrendsReport_final.pdf

You can see by the by 2030-2040, the number of people in MoCo who will be in their prime income earning years is rapidly declining while the county overall is either getting younger or a lot older. In other words, people with means are fleeing while the county gets a bunch of geriatric boomers. The only place where the county is getting growth from is laughably labeled as 'international migration', which we all know is basically illegal immigration (basically where the youth is from). The county has a net negative of domestic migration, meaning it is losing more domestic US citizens who are leaving the county than the number moving in, lol.

Long story short, US citizens with money are leaving MoCo, the only growth is largely from undocumented immigrants, and the tax base from those in their prime earning years is expected to rapidly dwindle over the next 15 years.

So who exactly is the county tearing down the housing for with these kinds of demographic trends? They're tearing down SFH and your neighborhoods for imported poverty from abroad, because there is a net negative of domestic residents of the USA moving to MoCo. White flight? Ha, that's old news. White people already started to flee way back in 2010, as the report shows. The ones who will keep fleeing MoCo are those with money. It's going to be hilarious watching as the county keeps getting poorer and poorer. The tax base is going to crumble, the destruction of neighborhoods is going to accelerate it, and the only solution they'll be able to come up for the loss of revenue is to keep increasing taxes. The impoverished people they're importing won't be able to pay the tax bills, so you know who they're going to target.

There is a whole ton of conjecture int his not tied to what is actually in the report.

The increase in *relative share* of older residents is a result of an aging population.

"The aging of baby boomers explains the percentage drop in the share of young adults, 20 to 34, from 26.5 percent in 1990 to 18.8 percent in 2016 with the forecasted decline slowing to 17.3 percent by 2040. This is the only age group decreasing in number (by 4,225 young adults), down 2.1 percent in 2016. Young adults are the most mobile age group, typically renters, some starting families, and they are the core of the county’s new residents." p. 29.

It is not tied to anybody "fleeing."

And as cited above the total tax revenue of the County is as healthy as any county in Maryland, with both real estate and income tax revenue INCREASING in 2023 over 2022.

But thank you for mentioning the aging population. Tending to their housing needs is another reason to increase and diversify the types of housing in the county.

Newsflash genius: of course tax REVENUE goes up as inflation goes up, lol. How shocking. The county already just INCREASED taxes. See how well it goes for revenues over time if your only solution is to keep increasing taxes.

No matter how badly you want to try to gold wrap a turd, it is still a turd. The county's demographics stink. People their prime warning years (i.e. taxpayers who pay the most taxes) are imploding by 2030-2040. The only area of population growth for the county is from 'international migration' while domestic migration to the county is negative. The most international arrivals continue to be from countries like El Salvador, as the report shows. 'International migration' is code speak for illegal immigration, we all know it.

The county can try to to make up wealth fleeing through volume, but all the volume coming in from illegal migration will be poor. They will work jobs for cash under the table. Even if they report income, it'll likely be so low that the net after taxation on them minus the amount you have to spend on them will be negative.

There's no way to polish it. They're tearing up your neighborhoods because they demand US citizens upend their way of life in order to provide affordable housing for international migrants, who are the only source of population growth for the county.

It appears that you are now just talking anti-immigrant views. You are free to do that. But that is a different conversation, and not one I want to be a part of.