FCPS HS Boundary

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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

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-1000. If the high SES parents always get their way in FCPS, explain why Justice is getting a large permanent addition while older and more overcrowded McLean gets a modular and trailers.

Because the representative for McLean cared more about the higher SES school within her district.

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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

+1000

-1000. If the high SES parents always get their way in FCPS, explain why Justice is getting a large permanent addition while older and more overcrowded McLean gets a modular and trailers.

Because the representative for McLean cared more about the higher SES school within her district.

So it doesn't have that much pull after all, just as PP said.

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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

+1000

-1000. If the high SES parents always get their way in FCPS, explain why Justice is getting a large permanent addition while older and more overcrowded McLean gets a modular and trailers.

Because the representative for McLean cared more about the higher SES school within her district.

So it doesn't have that much pull after all, just as PP said.

It has a lot, but not as much when there is a higher SES school that your representative cares more about

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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

+1000

-1000. If the high SES parents always get their way in FCPS, explain why Justice is getting a large permanent addition while older and more overcrowded McLean gets a modular and trailers.

Because the representative for McLean cared more about the higher SES school within her district.

So it doesn't have that much pull after all, just as PP said.

It has a lot, but not as much when there is a higher SES school that your representative cares more about

That's just silly. The school gets the minimal updates necessary to keep it functional.

And people accept that, with the hope of eventually getting on an updated queue, but it's not pull.

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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

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-1000. As PP admits, going to a lower performing school is “less ideal”. It’s great that she is fine with her kid being in a less ideal situation, and I truly do hope it works out for her kid, but surely it is completely reasonable (more reasonable?) to want one’s kids to be in the best educational situation possible. Being willing to sacrifice your child’s education to save FC citizens a few bucks is fairly extreme libertarian thinking. I think you all are in the distinct Fairfax County minority.

What I said is that my kid will be fine because he will be in the AP program if he is moved to Herndon or the IB program if he stays at South Lakes. Both of those programs are excellent and the kids who participate receive a great education and will end up attending very good universities. The test scores of the kids in the gen ed program or the ESOL program and the like don't bother me because they do not reflect my kid. Either way, he is in a program that is essentially a school within a school. He will do well because he has parents who are attentive and involved in his education. Just like the other kids at Herndon who have parents who are attentive and involved.

I am not sacrificing anything. He will receive as good an education as your kid at McLean or Langley because that is more then possible at South Lakes or Herndon.

McLean needs to be renovated. 100% Renovate away.

There should not be any further expansions until the boundaries have been redrawn and kids have been distributed so that the available spaces that are open are used. If there are overcrowded schools after that, then build expansions. I am guessing that the boundary shifts will negate the need for expansions. But we are wasting tax payer dollars by expanding schools when there are schools with lots of open seats. And we are doing that because people are petrified of change and fail to see that there are great opportunities at every school in FCPS because they are afraid of test scores and poverty.

But you keep shifting the goal post. First my opinion isn't valid because SL was renovated recently. Then my opinion doesn't matter because my kid might move to an unrenovated school or an overcrowded school that has better test scores. Then my opinion doesn't matter because I am willing to "sacrifice my child." You don't discuss issues. You try and shut down the conversation when people disagree with you regardless of what they say. All that matters to you is your opinion and silencing people who disagree with you.

Well said.

I won't accuse you of sock puppeting, but perhaps you - like the poster you're now applauding - don't appreciate that she was conflating multiple posters.

It is really hard for you to recognize there are multiple posters that disagree with you / “your side.” The poster pointing out that kids moving into so-called bad pyramids like ours will be fine is right about that. It seems like the process parameters and other data could be fed into an optimization program to take emotion out of the equation.

You want to hide behind lofty phrases like “process parameters” and “optimization program” to mask the fact that it’s always about deciding the parameters and agreeing on what is “optimal.” The assumptions that would feed into your algorithm would largely reflect political decisions on which there is no clear consensus. Not a single School Board member elected last fall ran on a platform that they would advocate for county-wide boundary changes.

Moreover, the assumption that the entire focus should be on boundary adjustments, rather than the development of a longer-term plan to address the facilities needs within FCPS, is an inherently political decision.

You are the one who sees only in binary terms, either boundary adjustments or building expansions. The right answer is a mix of both. To you the only right answer for the county is to expand McLean and leave boundaries alone. Maybe that is part of the answer, but maybe it isn't. To you EVERYTHING is a DEI conspiracy. Sorry to disappoint you. You are very parochial in your thinking.

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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

+1000

-1000. As PP admits, going to a lower performing school is “less ideal”. It’s great that she is fine with her kid being in a less ideal situation, and I truly do hope it works out for her kid, but surely it is completely reasonable (more reasonable?) to want one’s kids to be in the best educational situation possible. Being willing to sacrifice your child’s education to save FC citizens a few bucks is fairly extreme libertarian thinking. I think you all are in the distinct Fairfax County minority.

What I said is that my kid will be fine because he will be in the AP program if he is moved to Herndon or the IB program if he stays at South Lakes. Both of those programs are excellent and the kids who participate receive a great education and will end up attending very good universities. The test scores of the kids in the gen ed program or the ESOL program and the like don't bother me because they do not reflect my kid. Either way, he is in a program that is essentially a school within a school. He will do well because he has parents who are attentive and involved in his education. Just like the other kids at Herndon who have parents who are attentive and involved.

I am not sacrificing anything. He will receive as good an education as your kid at McLean or Langley because that is more then possible at South Lakes or Herndon.

McLean needs to be renovated. 100% Renovate away.

There should not be any further expansions until the boundaries have been redrawn and kids have been distributed so that the available spaces that are open are used. If there are overcrowded schools after that, then build expansions. I am guessing that the boundary shifts will negate the need for expansions. But we are wasting tax payer dollars by expanding schools when there are schools with lots of open seats. And we are doing that because people are petrified of change and fail to see that there are great opportunities at every school in FCPS because they are afraid of test scores and poverty.

But you keep shifting the goal post. First my opinion isn't valid because SL was renovated recently. Then my opinion doesn't matter because my kid might move to an unrenovated school or an overcrowded school that has better test scores. Then my opinion doesn't matter because I am willing to "sacrifice my child." You don't discuss issues. You try and shut down the conversation when people disagree with you regardless of what they say. All that matters to you is your opinion and silencing people who disagree with you.

Well said.

I won't accuse you of sock puppeting, but perhaps you - like the poster you're now applauding - don't appreciate that she was conflating multiple posters.

It is really hard for you to recognize there are multiple posters that disagree with you / “your side.” The poster pointing out that kids moving into so-called bad pyramids like ours will be fine is right about that. It seems like the process parameters and other data could be fed into an optimization program to take emotion out of the equation.

You want to hide behind lofty phrases like “process parameters” and “optimization program” to mask the fact that it’s always about deciding the parameters and agreeing on what is “optimal.” The assumptions that would feed into your algorithm would largely reflect political decisions on which there is no clear consensus. Not a single School Board member elected last fall ran on a platform that they would advocate for county-wide boundary changes.

Moreover, the assumption that the entire focus should be on boundary adjustments, rather than the development of a longer-term plan to address the facilities needs within FCPS, is an inherently political decision.

You are the one who sees only in binary terms, either boundary adjustments or building expansions. The right answer is a mix of both. To you the only right answer for the county is to expand McLean and leave boundaries alone. Maybe that is part of the answer, but maybe it isn't. To you EVERYTHING is a DEI conspiracy. Sorry to disappoint you. You are very parochial in your thinking.

In total agreement. McLean just had a boundary adjustment in 2021, so now it's time to start looking ahead to a future renovation and expansion.

If you want to change someone else's boundaries, good luck with that.

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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

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-1000. If the high SES parents always get their way in FCPS, explain why Justice is getting a large permanent addition while older and more overcrowded McLean gets a modular and trailers.

Because the representative for McLean cared more about the higher SES school within her district.

So it doesn't have that much pull after all, just as PP said.

It has a lot, but not as much when there is a higher SES school that your representative cares more about

That's just silly. The school gets the minimal updates necessary to keep it functional.

And people accept that, with the hope of eventually getting on an updated queue, but it's not pull.

McLean is larger than Langley. Vote for someone who cares

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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

+1000

-1000. If the high SES parents always get their way in FCPS, explain why Justice is getting a large permanent addition while older and more overcrowded McLean gets a modular and trailers.

McLean and Chantilly are the only two high SES schools that haven't gotten their way, and for good reason. Expanding McLean when Langley next door has plenty of space is financially irresponsible, and same goes for Chantilly with Herndon and Centreville having capacity, eventually.

As stated earlier in the thread plenty of very high SES schools have new cutting edge renovations - Oakton, Madison, Langley, WSHS, Cooper, Frost, Rocky Run.
Let Justice and Falls Church have their wins.

Latest projections have Langley at close to full capacity w/in five years. Chantilly doesn't border Herndon and the Centreville renovation is years away.

And as you note Falls Church, not a high SES school, is getting a very expensive, nice renovation.

So your theories are crap.

DP here. Regarding Falls Church, a lot of if not most of the credit goes to the school’s very active PTA, as far back as 2014 or 2015 when parents mobilized. They were researching all the then new high school projects like Yorktown HS, digging into the numbers and spreadsheets, re capacity, ed specs, life cycle analysis, etc. McLean parents were probably not as mobilized or motivated as the FCHS parents at the time.

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Anonymous wrote:They should be updating the renovation queue, not monkeying with the projections and then threatening boundary changes that very few want.

Threatening? A healthy organization checks status more often than every 50 years.

They are perfectly capable of adjusting boundaries when there is a compelling need.

People are complaining some schools are overcrowded. How is that not a compelling need to rebalance the boundaries?

Exactly. Whenever anyone complains to me, I always make sure they get exactly what they want.

Kids complain that they want a cookie, bam, compelling enough for me.

So when the Facilities Planning Advisory Council, consultants, and real communities recommend ideas for appropriate boundary adjustments but a vocal minority complains about it, guess it's fair to move foward then.

Apart from Glasgow, what other “real community” has advocated in any significant numbers for boundary adjustments recently and not been heard?

I would argue that the Shrevewood community was not heard. It argued for a boundary adjustment that would balance out the population at Shrevewood, Stenwood, Freedom Hill and maybe another ES. Instead, we are getting the unwanted Dunn Loring school. There is already capacity in nearby ES that could have handled the adjustment. I don't believe anyone at Shrevewood asked for a new ES.

Fair point, but you will get the boundary adjustment eventually. It will just be later and far more disruptive than necessary.

If they shelved the Dunn Loring school, and used that money more wisely, they’d have more credibility. Moving ahead with an unnecessary new school with suggestions they are also going to change other boundaries that no one is asking to be changed is the worst of all worlds.

This is what most of the voters chose.

There wasn't a specific referendum on Dunn Loring. Would be interesting to see how people would have voted had there been one.

Correct. They voted for the clowns and got the whole circus.

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Anonymous wrote:Some has no choice but to sacrifice due to county, voter and SB decisions. It is what it is. We had no say, nor should we really.

The SB is duty bound to take an unbiased look at the issues and solutions. Saying that even a CONSIDERATION (let alone a DECISION) one way or another is not tenable for you is irrelevant to the system as a whole. FCPS has to look at the big picture. You have to accept them or leave FCPS.

That not how politics work. To the extent that the board has a duty regarding boundaries, it’s to represent their constituents.

Ha!
That’s exactly how politics works.

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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

+1000

-1000. If the high SES parents always get their way in FCPS, explain why Justice is getting a large permanent addition while older and more overcrowded McLean gets a modular and trailers.

McLean and Chantilly are the only two high SES schools that haven't gotten their way, and for good reason. Expanding McLean when Langley next door has plenty of space is financially irresponsible, and same goes for Chantilly with Herndon and Centreville having capacity, eventually.

As stated earlier in the thread plenty of very high SES schools have new cutting edge renovations - Oakton, Madison, Langley, WSHS, Cooper, Frost, Rocky Run.
Let Justice and Falls Church have their wins.

Latest projections have Langley at close to full capacity w/in five years. Chantilly doesn't border Herndon and the Centreville renovation is years away.

And as you note Falls Church, not a high SES school, is getting a very expensive, nice renovation.

So your theories are crap.

DP here. Regarding Falls Church, a lot of if not most of the credit goes to the school’s very active PTA, as far back as 2014 or 2015 when parents mobilized. They were researching all the then new high school projects like Yorktown HS, digging into the numbers and spreadsheets, re capacity, ed specs, life cycle analysis, etc. McLean parents were probably not as mobilized or motivated as the FCHS parents at the time.

I don’t think whatever the Falls Church PTA did in 2014 made that much of a difference since the school was already on the 2008 renovation queue. They tried to get the renovation accelerated but it still only started a couple of years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

+1000

-1000. If the high SES parents always get their way in FCPS, explain why Justice is getting a large permanent addition while older and more overcrowded McLean gets a modular and trailers.

McLean and Chantilly are the only two high SES schools that haven't gotten their way, and for good reason. Expanding McLean when Langley next door has plenty of space is financially irresponsible, and same goes for Chantilly with Herndon and Centreville having capacity, eventually.

As stated earlier in the thread plenty of very high SES schools have new cutting edge renovations - Oakton, Madison, Langley, WSHS, Cooper, Frost, Rocky Run.
Let Justice and Falls Church have their wins.

Latest projections have Langley at close to full capacity w/in five years. Chantilly doesn't border Herndon and the Centreville renovation is years away.

And as you note Falls Church, not a high SES school, is getting a very expensive, nice renovation.

So your theories are crap.

DP here. Regarding Falls Church, a lot of if not most of the credit goes to the school’s very active PTA, as far back as 2014 or 2015 when parents mobilized. They were researching all the then new high school projects like Yorktown HS, digging into the numbers and spreadsheets, re capacity, ed specs, life cycle analysis, etc. McLean parents were probably not as mobilized or motivated as the FCHS parents at the time.

I don’t think whatever the Falls Church PTA did in 2014 made that much of a difference since the school was already on the 2008 renovation queue. They tried to get the renovation accelerated but it still only started a couple of years ago.

Thanks for the clarification. Their activism definitely helped with the project scope: it will be a phenomenal project when finished. A true gem. Last minute value engineering due to inflation and rising costs was also minimized after a community outcry, so it will be built largely as planned and designed.

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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

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-1000. If the high SES parents always get their way in FCPS, explain why Justice is getting a large permanent addition while older and more overcrowded McLean gets a modular and trailers.

Because the representative for McLean cared more about the higher SES school within her district.

So it doesn't have that much pull after all, just as PP said.

It has a lot, but not as much when there is a higher SES school that your representative cares more about

They don’t have to care about McLean because McLean is blue no matter who, whereas a substantial percentage of Langley could reasonably be expected to deliver consequences at the ballot box.

Great Falls is more democrat in the last few years so that will change the dynamics going forward.

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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

+1000

-1000. If the high SES parents always get their way in FCPS, explain why Justice is getting a large permanent addition while older and more overcrowded McLean gets a modular and trailers.

Because the representative for McLean cared more about the higher SES school within her district.

So it doesn't have that much pull after all, just as PP said.

It has a lot, but not as much when there is a higher SES school that your representative cares more about

They don’t have to care about McLean because McLean is blue no matter who, whereas a substantial percentage of Langley could reasonably be expected to deliver consequences at the ballot box.

Great Falls is more democrat in the last few years so that will change the dynamics going forward.

There is no local or state election that the conservatives in the Langley district could tip now. Much of Langley votes Democratic and even more of Herndon and McLean do. They are simply outnumbered.

However, when Langley/Great Falls gets agitated - usually about the possibility of getting redistricted to Herndon - they bring a lot of firepower to the table besides votes.

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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

+1000

-1000. If the high SES parents always get their way in FCPS, explain why Justice is getting a large permanent addition while older and more overcrowded McLean gets a modular and trailers.

Because the representative for McLean cared more about the higher SES school within her district.

So it doesn't have that much pull after all, just as PP said.

It has a lot, but not as much when there is a higher SES school that your representative cares more about

They don’t have to care about McLean because McLean is blue no matter who, whereas a substantial percentage of Langley could reasonably be expected to deliver consequences at the ballot box.

Great Falls is more democrat in the last few years so that will change the dynamics going forward.

There is no local or state election that the conservatives in the Langley district could tip now. Much of Langley votes Democratic and even more of Herndon and McLean do. They are simply outnumbered.

However, when Langley/Great Falls gets agitated - usually about the possibility of getting redistricted to Herndon - they bring a lot of firepower to the table besides votes.

Whatever works for them.