FCPS HS Boundary

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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

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-1000. If the high SES parents always get their way in FCPS, explain why Justice is getting a large permanent addition while older and more overcrowded McLean gets a modular and trailers.

McLean and Chantilly are the only two high SES schools that haven't gotten their way, and for good reason. Expanding McLean when Langley next door has plenty of space is financially irresponsible, and same goes for Chantilly with Herndon and Centreville having capacity, eventually.

As stated earlier in the thread plenty of very high SES schools have new cutting edge renovations - Oakton, Madison, Langley, WSHS, Cooper, Frost, Rocky Run.
Let Justice and Falls Church have their wins.

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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

+1000

-1000. If the high SES parents always get their way in FCPS, explain why Justice is getting a large permanent addition while older and more overcrowded McLean gets a modular and trailers.

McLean and Chantilly are the only two high SES schools that haven't gotten their way, and for good reason. Expanding McLean when Langley next door has plenty of space is financially irresponsible, and same goes for Chantilly with Herndon and Centreville having capacity, eventually.

As stated earlier in the thread plenty of very high SES schools have new cutting edge renovations - Oakton, Madison, Langley, WSHS, Cooper, Frost, Rocky Run.
Let Justice and Falls Church have their wins.

Latest projections have Langley at close to full capacity w/in five years. Chantilly doesn't border Herndon and the Centreville renovation is years away.

And as you note Falls Church, not a high SES school, is getting a very expensive, nice renovation.

So your theories are crap.

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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

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-1000. As PP admits, going to a lower performing school is “less ideal”. It’s great that she is fine with her kid being in a less ideal situation, and I truly do hope it works out for her kid, but surely it is completely reasonable (more reasonable?) to want one’s kids to be in the best educational situation possible. Being willing to sacrifice your child’s education to save FC citizens a few bucks is fairly extreme libertarian thinking. I think you all are in the distinct Fairfax County minority.

What I said is that my kid will be fine because he will be in the AP program if he is moved to Herndon or the IB program if he stays at South Lakes. Both of those programs are excellent and the kids who participate receive a great education and will end up attending very good universities. The test scores of the kids in the gen ed program or the ESOL program and the like don't bother me because they do not reflect my kid. Either way, he is in a program that is essentially a school within a school. He will do well because he has parents who are attentive and involved in his education. Just like the other kids at Herndon who have parents who are attentive and involved.

I am not sacrificing anything. He will receive as good an education as your kid at McLean or Langley because that is more then possible at South Lakes or Herndon.

McLean needs to be renovated. 100% Renovate away.

There should not be any further expansions until the boundaries have been redrawn and kids have been distributed so that the available spaces that are open are used. If there are overcrowded schools after that, then build expansions. I am guessing that the boundary shifts will negate the need for expansions. But we are wasting tax payer dollars by expanding schools when there are schools with lots of open seats. And we are doing that because people are petrified of change and fail to see that there are great opportunities at every school in FCPS because they are afraid of test scores and poverty.

But you keep shifting the goal post. First my opinion isn't valid because SL was renovated recently. Then my opinion doesn't matter because my kid might move to an unrenovated school or an overcrowded school that has better test scores. Then my opinion doesn't matter because I am willing to "sacrifice my child." You don't discuss issues. You try and shut down the conversation when people disagree with you regardless of what they say. All that matters to you is your opinion and silencing people who disagree with you.

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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

+1000

-1000. If the high SES parents always get their way in FCPS, explain why Justice is getting a large permanent addition while older and more overcrowded McLean gets a modular and trailers.

McLean and Chantilly are the only two high SES schools that haven't gotten their way, and for good reason. Expanding McLean when Langley next door has plenty of space is financially irresponsible, and same goes for Chantilly with Herndon and Centreville having capacity, eventually.

As stated earlier in the thread plenty of very high SES schools have new cutting edge renovations - Oakton, Madison, Langley, WSHS, Cooper, Frost, Rocky Run.
Let Justice and Falls Church have their wins.

Latest projections have Langley at close to full capacity w/in five years. Chantilly doesn't border Herndon and the Centreville renovation is years away.

And as you note Falls Church, not a high SES school, is getting a very expensive, nice renovation.

So your theories are crap.

McLean was last renovated in 2005
Falls Church was last renovated in 1989

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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

+1000

-1000. As PP admits, going to a lower performing school is “less ideal”. It’s great that she is fine with her kid being in a less ideal situation, and I truly do hope it works out for her kid, but surely it is completely reasonable (more reasonable?) to want one’s kids to be in the best educational situation possible. Being willing to sacrifice your child’s education to save FC citizens a few bucks is fairly extreme libertarian thinking. I think you all are in the distinct Fairfax County minority.

What I said is that my kid will be fine because he will be in the AP program if he is moved to Herndon or the IB program if he stays at South Lakes. Both of those programs are excellent and the kids who participate receive a great education and will end up attending very good universities. The test scores of the kids in the gen ed program or the ESOL program and the like don't bother me because they do not reflect my kid. Either way, he is in a program that is essentially a school within a school. He will do well because he has parents who are attentive and involved in his education. Just like the other kids at Herndon who have parents who are attentive and involved.

I am not sacrificing anything. He will receive as good an education as your kid at McLean or Langley because that is more then possible at South Lakes or Herndon.

McLean needs to be renovated. 100% Renovate away.

There should not be any further expansions until the boundaries have been redrawn and kids have been distributed so that the available spaces that are open are used. If there are overcrowded schools after that, then build expansions. I am guessing that the boundary shifts will negate the need for expansions. But we are wasting tax payer dollars by expanding schools when there are schools with lots of open seats. And we are doing that because people are petrified of change and fail to see that there are great opportunities at every school in FCPS because they are afraid of test scores and poverty.

But you keep shifting the goal post. First my opinion isn't valid because SL was renovated recently. Then my opinion doesn't matter because my kid might move to an unrenovated school or an overcrowded school that has better test scores. Then my opinion doesn't matter because I am willing to "sacrifice my child." You don't discuss issues. You try and shut down the conversation when people disagree with you regardless of what they say. All that matters to you is your opinion and silencing people who disagree with you.

Well said.

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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

+1000

-1000. As PP admits, going to a lower performing school is “less ideal”. It’s great that she is fine with her kid being in a less ideal situation, and I truly do hope it works out for her kid, but surely it is completely reasonable (more reasonable?) to want one’s kids to be in the best educational situation possible. Being willing to sacrifice your child’s education to save FC citizens a few bucks is fairly extreme libertarian thinking. I think you all are in the distinct Fairfax County minority.

What I said is that my kid will be fine because he will be in the AP program if he is moved to Herndon or the IB program if he stays at South Lakes. Both of those programs are excellent and the kids who participate receive a great education and will end up attending very good universities. The test scores of the kids in the gen ed program or the ESOL program and the like don't bother me because they do not reflect my kid. Either way, he is in a program that is essentially a school within a school. He will do well because he has parents who are attentive and involved in his education. Just like the other kids at Herndon who have parents who are attentive and involved.

I am not sacrificing anything. He will receive as good an education as your kid at McLean or Langley because that is more then possible at South Lakes or Herndon.

McLean needs to be renovated. 100% Renovate away.

There should not be any further expansions until the boundaries have been redrawn and kids have been distributed so that the available spaces that are open are used. If there are overcrowded schools after that, then build expansions. I am guessing that the boundary shifts will negate the need for expansions. But we are wasting tax payer dollars by expanding schools when there are schools with lots of open seats. And we are doing that because people are petrified of change and fail to see that there are great opportunities at every school in FCPS because they are afraid of test scores and poverty.

But you keep shifting the goal post. First my opinion isn't valid because SL was renovated recently. Then my opinion doesn't matter because my kid might move to an unrenovated school or an overcrowded school that has better test scores. Then my opinion doesn't matter because I am willing to "sacrifice my child." You don't discuss issues. You try and shut down the conversation when people disagree with you regardless of what they say. All that matters to you is your opinion and silencing people who disagree with you.

Just so you know, you are responding to multiple posters as if they are one. Sometimes people do that for rhetorical purposes (to suggest only one person disagrees with them), but in your case I think you're just confused. At least I hope you're not that disingenuous.

As for the only aspects of your post that seem directed to me, McLean High isn't going to get a full renovation for years, but when it does it will almost surely make sense to expand it as well. Plenty of future growth anticipated in Tysons, West Falls Church, and downtown McLean and those kids deserve to attend a school reasonably close to where they live.

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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

+1000

-1000. As PP admits, going to a lower performing school is “less ideal”. It’s great that she is fine with her kid being in a less ideal situation, and I truly do hope it works out for her kid, but surely it is completely reasonable (more reasonable?) to want one’s kids to be in the best educational situation possible. Being willing to sacrifice your child’s education to save FC citizens a few bucks is fairly extreme libertarian thinking. I think you all are in the distinct Fairfax County minority.

What I said is that my kid will be fine because he will be in the AP program if he is moved to Herndon or the IB program if he stays at South Lakes. Both of those programs are excellent and the kids who participate receive a great education and will end up attending very good universities. The test scores of the kids in the gen ed program or the ESOL program and the like don't bother me because they do not reflect my kid. Either way, he is in a program that is essentially a school within a school. He will do well because he has parents who are attentive and involved in his education. Just like the other kids at Herndon who have parents who are attentive and involved.

I am not sacrificing anything. He will receive as good an education as your kid at McLean or Langley because that is more then possible at South Lakes or Herndon.

McLean needs to be renovated. 100% Renovate away.

There should not be any further expansions until the boundaries have been redrawn and kids have been distributed so that the available spaces that are open are used. If there are overcrowded schools after that, then build expansions. I am guessing that the boundary shifts will negate the need for expansions. But we are wasting tax payer dollars by expanding schools when there are schools with lots of open seats. And we are doing that because people are petrified of change and fail to see that there are great opportunities at every school in FCPS because they are afraid of test scores and poverty.

But you keep shifting the goal post. First my opinion isn't valid because SL was renovated recently. Then my opinion doesn't matter because my kid might move to an unrenovated school or an overcrowded school that has better test scores. Then my opinion doesn't matter because I am willing to "sacrifice my child." You don't discuss issues. You try and shut down the conversation when people disagree with you regardless of what they say. All that matters to you is your opinion and silencing people who disagree with you.

Well said.

I won't accuse you of sock puppeting, but perhaps you - like the poster you're now applauding - don't appreciate that she was conflating multiple posters.

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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

+1000

-1000. As PP admits, going to a lower performing school is “less ideal”. It’s great that she is fine with her kid being in a less ideal situation, and I truly do hope it works out for her kid, but surely it is completely reasonable (more reasonable?) to want one’s kids to be in the best educational situation possible. Being willing to sacrifice your child’s education to save FC citizens a few bucks is fairly extreme libertarian thinking. I think you all are in the distinct Fairfax County minority.

What I said is that my kid will be fine because he will be in the AP program if he is moved to Herndon or the IB program if he stays at South Lakes. Both of those programs are excellent and the kids who participate receive a great education and will end up attending very good universities. The test scores of the kids in the gen ed program or the ESOL program and the like don't bother me because they do not reflect my kid. Either way, he is in a program that is essentially a school within a school. He will do well because he has parents who are attentive and involved in his education. Just like the other kids at Herndon who have parents who are attentive and involved.

I am not sacrificing anything. He will receive as good an education as your kid at McLean or Langley because that is more then possible at South Lakes or Herndon.

McLean needs to be renovated. 100% Renovate away.

There should not be any further expansions until the boundaries have been redrawn and kids have been distributed so that the available spaces that are open are used. If there are overcrowded schools after that, then build expansions. I am guessing that the boundary shifts will negate the need for expansions. But we are wasting tax payer dollars by expanding schools when there are schools with lots of open seats. And we are doing that because people are petrified of change and fail to see that there are great opportunities at every school in FCPS because they are afraid of test scores and poverty.

But you keep shifting the goal post. First my opinion isn't valid because SL was renovated recently. Then my opinion doesn't matter because my kid might move to an unrenovated school or an overcrowded school that has better test scores. Then my opinion doesn't matter because I am willing to "sacrifice my child." You don't discuss issues. You try and shut down the conversation when people disagree with you regardless of what they say. All that matters to you is your opinion and silencing people who disagree with you.

No shifting goal posts, we’re different posters.

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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

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-1000. If the high SES parents always get their way in FCPS, explain why Justice is getting a large permanent addition while older and more overcrowded McLean gets a modular and trailers.

McLean and Chantilly are the only two high SES schools that haven't gotten their way, and for good reason. Expanding McLean when Langley next door has plenty of space is financially irresponsible, and same goes for Chantilly with Herndon and Centreville having capacity, eventually.

As stated earlier in the thread plenty of very high SES schools have new cutting edge renovations - Oakton, Madison, Langley, WSHS, Cooper, Frost, Rocky Run.
Let Justice and Falls Church have their wins.

Latest projections have Langley at close to full capacity w/in five years. Chantilly doesn't border Herndon and the Centreville renovation is years away.

And as you note Falls Church, not a high SES school, is getting a very expensive, nice renovation.

So your theories are crap.

McLean was last renovated in 2005
Falls Church was last renovated in 1989

On the other hand, South Lakes was built 23 years after McLean, and got renovated only three years later - in 2008. And then got an addition when South Lakes wasn't otherwise in the queue in 2016-18.

Personally, I think Falls Church's renovation is overdue, and have no problem with FCPS expanding the school at the same time even though no current projections have FCHS at 2500 kids any time soon. But the fact that it's getting one of the most expensive renovations of any FCPS high school belies PP's suggestion that money for renovations and expansions has flowed almost exclusively to higher SES schools. That's not just how it's worked.

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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

+1000

-1000. As PP admits, going to a lower performing school is “less ideal”. It’s great that she is fine with her kid being in a less ideal situation, and I truly do hope it works out for her kid, but surely it is completely reasonable (more reasonable?) to want one’s kids to be in the best educational situation possible. Being willing to sacrifice your child’s education to save FC citizens a few bucks is fairly extreme libertarian thinking. I think you all are in the distinct Fairfax County minority.

What I said is that my kid will be fine because he will be in the AP program if he is moved to Herndon or the IB program if he stays at South Lakes. Both of those programs are excellent and the kids who participate receive a great education and will end up attending very good universities. The test scores of the kids in the gen ed program or the ESOL program and the like don't bother me because they do not reflect my kid. Either way, he is in a program that is essentially a school within a school. He will do well because he has parents who are attentive and involved in his education. Just like the other kids at Herndon who have parents who are attentive and involved.

I am not sacrificing anything. He will receive as good an education as your kid at McLean or Langley because that is more then possible at South Lakes or Herndon.

McLean needs to be renovated. 100% Renovate away.

There should not be any further expansions until the boundaries have been redrawn and kids have been distributed so that the available spaces that are open are used. If there are overcrowded schools after that, then build expansions. I am guessing that the boundary shifts will negate the need for expansions. But we are wasting tax payer dollars by expanding schools when there are schools with lots of open seats. And we are doing that because people are petrified of change and fail to see that there are great opportunities at every school in FCPS because they are afraid of test scores and poverty.

But you keep shifting the goal post. First my opinion isn't valid because SL was renovated recently. Then my opinion doesn't matter because my kid might move to an unrenovated school or an overcrowded school that has better test scores. Then my opinion doesn't matter because I am willing to "sacrifice my child." You don't discuss issues. You try and shut down the conversation when people disagree with you regardless of what they say. All that matters to you is your opinion and silencing people who disagree with you.

Just so you know, you are responding to multiple posters as if they are one. Sometimes people do that for rhetorical purposes (to suggest only one person disagrees with them), but in your case I think you're just confused. At least I hope you're not that disingenuous.

As for the only aspects of your post that seem directed to me, McLean High isn't going to get a full renovation for years, but when it does it will almost surely make sense to expand it as well. Plenty of future growth anticipated in Tysons, West Falls Church, and downtown McLean and those kids deserve to attend a school reasonably close to where they live.

+1. The SB does not act in a vacuum. And Fairfax County has been focused on certain corridors for future growth, with Tysons being the largest. Know what HSs cover Tysons? Marshall, Langley and McLean. Marshall and Langley recently had renovations and expansions are already close to capacity. McLean is beyond overcrowded. So no matter how much the SB redoes boundaries, more and more students will keep moving to Tysons given the growth.

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Anonymous wrote:People, there isn't going to be some massive county-wide boundary change. It's just the same troll spinning you all up because SHE wants to redistrict certain kids to different schools. Not HER kids, mind you. YOUR kids.

Here is the draft version of the new boundary policy: https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D39LRL5498DD/$file/P8130_CLEAN_REDLINE%2003082024.pdf

Note that they've already screwed up because they redlined the 2019 never-adopted draft version (which included socioeconomic considerations as valid reasons to move boundaries) instead of the actual current version.

What is the date of this draft? And why are huge parts of it crossed out?

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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

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-1000. As PP admits, going to a lower performing school is “less ideal”. It’s great that she is fine with her kid being in a less ideal situation, and I truly do hope it works out for her kid, but surely it is completely reasonable (more reasonable?) to want one’s kids to be in the best educational situation possible. Being willing to sacrifice your child’s education to save FC citizens a few bucks is fairly extreme libertarian thinking. I think you all are in the distinct Fairfax County minority.

What I said is that my kid will be fine because he will be in the AP program if he is moved to Herndon or the IB program if he stays at South Lakes. Both of those programs are excellent and the kids who participate receive a great education and will end up attending very good universities. The test scores of the kids in the gen ed program or the ESOL program and the like don't bother me because they do not reflect my kid. Either way, he is in a program that is essentially a school within a school. He will do well because he has parents who are attentive and involved in his education. Just like the other kids at Herndon who have parents who are attentive and involved.

I am not sacrificing anything. He will receive as good an education as your kid at McLean or Langley because that is more then possible at South Lakes or Herndon.

McLean needs to be renovated. 100% Renovate away.

There should not be any further expansions until the boundaries have been redrawn and kids have been distributed so that the available spaces that are open are used. If there are overcrowded schools after that, then build expansions. I am guessing that the boundary shifts will negate the need for expansions. But we are wasting tax payer dollars by expanding schools when there are schools with lots of open seats. And we are doing that because people are petrified of change and fail to see that there are great opportunities at every school in FCPS because they are afraid of test scores and poverty.

But you keep shifting the goal post. First my opinion isn't valid because SL was renovated recently. Then my opinion doesn't matter because my kid might move to an unrenovated school or an overcrowded school that has better test scores. Then my opinion doesn't matter because I am willing to "sacrifice my child." You don't discuss issues. You try and shut down the conversation when people disagree with you regardless of what they say. All that matters to you is your opinion and silencing people who disagree with you.

Well said.

I won't accuse you of sock puppeting, but perhaps you - like the poster you're now applauding - don't appreciate that she was conflating multiple posters.

It is really hard for you to recognize there are multiple posters that disagree with you / “your side.” The poster pointing out that kids moving into so-called bad pyramids like ours will be fine is right about that. It seems like the process parameters and other data could be fed into an optimization program to take emotion out of the equation.

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It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

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-1000. If the high SES parents always get their way in FCPS, explain why Justice is getting a large permanent addition while older and more overcrowded McLean gets a modular and trailers.

McLean and Chantilly are the only two high SES schools that haven't gotten their way, and for good reason. Expanding McLean when Langley next door has plenty of space is financially irresponsible, and same goes for Chantilly with Herndon and Centreville having capacity, eventually.

As stated earlier in the thread plenty of very high SES schools have new cutting edge renovations - Oakton, Madison, Langley, WSHS, Cooper, Frost, Rocky Run.
Let Justice and Falls Church have their wins.

Latest projections have Langley at close to full capacity w/in five years. Chantilly doesn't border Herndon and the Centreville renovation is years away.

And as you note Falls Church, not a high SES school, is getting a very expensive, nice renovation.

So your theories are crap.

McLean was last renovated in 2005
Falls Church was last renovated in 1989

On the other hand, South Lakes was built 23 years after McLean, and got renovated only three years later - in 2008. And then got an addition when South Lakes wasn't otherwise in the queue in 2016-18.

Personally, I think Falls Church's renovation is overdue, and have no problem with FCPS expanding the school at the same time even though no current projections have FCHS at 2500 kids any time soon. But the fact that it's getting one of the most expensive renovations of any FCPS high school belies PP's suggestion that money for renovations and expansions has flowed almost exclusively to higher SES schools. That's not just how it's worked.

Falls Church is expensive because it's in 2024 dollars. When McLean's renovation happens, it too will be the most expensive of all time and will likely blow Falls Church out of the water. I suspect McLean community members aren't going to be complaining about how expensive McLean's renovation is. Taxpayers on the other hand are getting swindled.

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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

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-1000. If the high SES parents always get their way in FCPS, explain why Justice is getting a large permanent addition while older and more overcrowded McLean gets a modular and trailers.

McLean and Chantilly are the only two high SES schools that haven't gotten their way, and for good reason. Expanding McLean when Langley next door has plenty of space is financially irresponsible, and same goes for Chantilly with Herndon and Centreville having capacity, eventually.

As stated earlier in the thread plenty of very high SES schools have new cutting edge renovations - Oakton, Madison, Langley, WSHS, Cooper, Frost, Rocky Run.
Let Justice and Falls Church have their wins.

Latest projections have Langley at close to full capacity w/in five years. Chantilly doesn't border Herndon and the Centreville renovation is years away.

And as you note Falls Church, not a high SES school, is getting a very expensive, nice renovation.

So your theories are crap.

McLean was last renovated in 2005
Falls Church was last renovated in 1989

McLean’s renovation did not do much. It wasn’t a renovation like the ones done later. Feel free to stop by and see its condition. You can argue that ot doesn’t need to be expanded (shortsighted given that’s where the growth is) but you can’t argue that it needs updates, especially considering the condition of almost every other FCPS HS (no matter the SES level).

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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

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-1000. As PP admits, going to a lower performing school is “less ideal”. It’s great that she is fine with her kid being in a less ideal situation, and I truly do hope it works out for her kid, but surely it is completely reasonable (more reasonable?) to want one’s kids to be in the best educational situation possible. Being willing to sacrifice your child’s education to save FC citizens a few bucks is fairly extreme libertarian thinking. I think you all are in the distinct Fairfax County minority.

What I said is that my kid will be fine because he will be in the AP program if he is moved to Herndon or the IB program if he stays at South Lakes. Both of those programs are excellent and the kids who participate receive a great education and will end up attending very good universities. The test scores of the kids in the gen ed program or the ESOL program and the like don't bother me because they do not reflect my kid. Either way, he is in a program that is essentially a school within a school. He will do well because he has parents who are attentive and involved in his education. Just like the other kids at Herndon who have parents who are attentive and involved.

I am not sacrificing anything. He will receive as good an education as your kid at McLean or Langley because that is more then possible at South Lakes or Herndon.

McLean needs to be renovated. 100% Renovate away.

There should not be any further expansions until the boundaries have been redrawn and kids have been distributed so that the available spaces that are open are used. If there are overcrowded schools after that, then build expansions. I am guessing that the boundary shifts will negate the need for expansions. But we are wasting tax payer dollars by expanding schools when there are schools with lots of open seats. And we are doing that because people are petrified of change and fail to see that there are great opportunities at every school in FCPS because they are afraid of test scores and poverty.

But you keep shifting the goal post. First my opinion isn't valid because SL was renovated recently. Then my opinion doesn't matter because my kid might move to an unrenovated school or an overcrowded school that has better test scores. Then my opinion doesn't matter because I am willing to "sacrifice my child." You don't discuss issues. You try and shut down the conversation when people disagree with you regardless of what they say. All that matters to you is your opinion and silencing people who disagree with you.

Well said.

I won't accuse you of sock puppeting, but perhaps you - like the poster you're now applauding - don't appreciate that she was conflating multiple posters.

It is really hard for you to recognize there are multiple posters that disagree with you / “your side.” The poster pointing out that kids moving into so-called bad pyramids like ours will be fine is right about that. It seems like the process parameters and other data could be fed into an optimization program to take emotion out of the equation.

You want to hide behind lofty phrases like “process parameters” and “optimization program” to mask the fact that it’s always about deciding the parameters and agreeing on what is “optimal.” The assumptions that would feed into your algorithm would largely reflect political decisions on which there is no clear consensus. Not a single School Board member elected last fall ran on a platform that they would advocate for county-wide boundary changes.

Moreover, the assumption that the entire focus should be on boundary adjustments, rather than the development of a longer-term plan to address the facilities needs within FCPS, is an inherently political decision.