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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.


It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.



It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.


My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.


Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.


South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.



You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.



Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.


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-1000. If the high SES parents always get their way in FCPS, explain why Justice is getting a large permanent addition while older and more overcrowded McLean gets a modular and trailers.


Because the representative for McLean cared more about the higher SES school within her district.


So it doesn't have that much pull after all, just as PP said.


It has a lot, but not as much when there is a higher SES school that your representative cares more about


They don’t have to care about McLean because McLean is blue no matter who, whereas a substantial percentage of Langley could reasonably be expected to deliver consequences at the ballot box.

Great Falls is more democrat in the last few years so that will change the dynamics going forward.



There is no local or state election that the conservatives in the Langley district could tip now. Much of Langley votes Democratic and even more of Herndon and McLean do. They are simply outnumbered.

However, when Langley/Great Falls gets agitated - usually about the possibility of getting redistricted to Herndon - they bring a lot of firepower to the table besides votes.


By firepower, you mean money, lawyers and appeals to conservatives. It’s all good until they realize those nice, inoffensive county policies they support as bleeding hearts actually have a trickle down effect on their kids.

I just hope skills based grading is rolled out across FCPS soon so they will put their focus on something that truly matters for our kids — not how pretty their school is or what other kids they might be exposed to. Ask Madison parents how SBG is going.
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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.


It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.



It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.


My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.


Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.


South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.



You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.



Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.


+1000


-1000. If the high SES parents always get their way in FCPS, explain why Justice is getting a large permanent addition while older and more overcrowded McLean gets a modular and trailers.


Because the representative for McLean cared more about the higher SES school within her district.


So it doesn't have that much pull after all, just as PP said.


It has a lot, but not as much when there is a higher SES school that your representative cares more about


They don’t have to care about McLean because McLean is blue no matter who, whereas a substantial percentage of Langley could reasonably be expected to deliver consequences at the ballot box.

Great Falls is more democrat in the last few years so that will change the dynamics going forward.



There is no local or state election that the conservatives in the Langley district could tip now. Much of Langley votes Democratic and even more of Herndon and McLean do. They are simply outnumbered.

However, when Langley/Great Falls gets agitated - usually about the possibility of getting redistricted to Herndon - they bring a lot of firepower to the table besides votes.


By firepower, you mean money, lawyers and appeals to conservatives. It’s all good until they realize those nice, inoffensive county policies they support as bleeding hearts actually have a trickle down effect on their kids.

I just hope skills based grading is rolled out across FCPS soon so they will put their focus on something that truly matters for our kids — not how pretty their school is or what other kids they might be exposed to. Ask Madison parents how SBG is going.


What truly matters for kids hasn't been a focus of Fairfax County parents for many years. It feels like during the late-2000s the focus shifted towards internal fighting for the best renovated facilities and for maximum containment of the dwindling wealthy population.
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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.


It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.



It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.


My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.


Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.


South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.



You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.



Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.


+1000


-1000. If the high SES parents always get their way in FCPS, explain why Justice is getting a large permanent addition while older and more overcrowded McLean gets a modular and trailers.


Because the representative for McLean cared more about the higher SES school within her district.


So it doesn't have that much pull after all, just as PP said.


It has a lot, but not as much when there is a higher SES school that your representative cares more about


They don’t have to care about McLean because McLean is blue no matter who, whereas a substantial percentage of Langley could reasonably be expected to deliver consequences at the ballot box.

Great Falls is more democrat in the last few years so that will change the dynamics going forward.



There is no local or state election that the conservatives in the Langley district could tip now. Much of Langley votes Democratic and even more of Herndon and McLean do. They are simply outnumbered.

However, when Langley/Great Falls gets agitated - usually about the possibility of getting redistricted to Herndon - they bring a lot of firepower to the table besides votes.


By firepower, you mean money, lawyers and appeals to conservatives. It’s all good until they realize those nice, inoffensive county policies they support as bleeding hearts actually have a trickle down effect on their kids.

I just hope skills based grading is rolled out across FCPS soon so they will put their focus on something that truly matters for our kids — not how pretty their school is or what other kids they might be exposed to. Ask Madison parents how SBG is going.


People can care about other things besides SBG at Madison, you know.
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Policy 8130 is on the agenda for the 4/15 Governance Committee Meeting.
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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.


It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.



It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.


My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.


Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.


South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.



You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.



Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.


+1000


-1000. If the high SES parents always get their way in FCPS, explain why Justice is getting a large permanent addition while older and more overcrowded McLean gets a modular and trailers.


Because the representative for McLean cared more about the higher SES school within her district.


So it doesn't have that much pull after all, just as PP said.


It has a lot, but not as much when there is a higher SES school that your representative cares more about


They don’t have to care about McLean because McLean is blue no matter who, whereas a substantial percentage of Langley could reasonably be expected to deliver consequences at the ballot box.

Great Falls is more democrat in the last few years so that will change the dynamics going forward.



There is no local or state election that the conservatives in the Langley district could tip now. Much of Langley votes Democratic and even more of Herndon and McLean do. They are simply outnumbered.

However, when Langley/Great Falls gets agitated - usually about the possibility of getting redistricted to Herndon - they bring a lot of firepower to the table besides votes.


By firepower, you mean money, lawyers and appeals to conservatives. It’s all good until they realize those nice, inoffensive county policies they support as bleeding hearts actually have a trickle down effect on their kids.

I just hope skills based grading is rolled out across FCPS soon so they will put their focus on something that truly matters for our kids — not how pretty their school is or what other kids they might be exposed to. Ask Madison parents how SBG is going.


People can care about other things besides SBG at Madison, you know.


Obviously parents can care about more than one thing at a time. Are you saying that everything else at Madison trumps SBG?
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Anonymous wrote:Policy 8130 is on the agenda for the 4/15 Governance Committee Meeting.


Is this a meeting that will be televised or another meeting that won't be recorded? They ought to be transparent about what they plan to do with this policy and the nature of the "holistic" (sic) review.
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Anonymous wrote:Policy 8130 is on the agenda for the 4/15 Governance Committee Meeting.


Is this a meeting that will be televised or another meeting that won't be recorded? They ought to be transparent about what they plan to do with this policy and the nature of the "holistic" (sic) review.


My understanding is that the Governance Committee Meetings are not televised/recorded.
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Anonymous wrote:Policy 8130 is on the agenda for the 4/15 Governance Committee Meeting.


Is this a meeting that will be televised or another meeting that won't be recorded? They ought to be transparent about what they plan to do with this policy and the nature of the "holistic" (sic) review.


My understanding is that the Governance Committee Meetings are not televised/recorded.


That's probably why they wanted to get a jump on discussing Policy 8130 prior to the work session in late May, which presumably will be recorded.

Need to offer Jake Sizemore a performance spot before the Governance Committee meeting. Then Rachna would make sure it was televised, lol.
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Yep, it's coming. Get ready for stealth socioeconomic balancing under cover of self-inflicted overcrowding.
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Until they formally put Dunn Loring ES on ice until there's a demonstrated need for that school, I can't take anything that Kyle McDaniel or other School Board members have to say on the topic of school boundaries seriously. It's an $80M boondoggle and the new SB members haven't done squat to revisit it. If they want to show that they are being fiscally prudent, and responsive to the schools that are actually overcrowded, there's no better decision they could make than to cancel Dunn Loring and reallocate that money.
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Anonymous wrote:Policy 8130 is on the agenda for the 4/15 Governance Committee Meeting.


And, they’re having another Governance committee meeting tomorrow, 4/16. I have never seen back to back committee meetings. More often, they cancel them because they can’t get quorum.

Committee meetings aren’t televised or recorded but they are open to the public. Anyone going to tomorrow’s work session could pop into Governance first.
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The thing that makes me furious, is that McDaniel never mentioned redistricting when he ran for the board.

In fact, none of them mentioned it, despite this being the obvious end goal for many of them. It’s about to do immense damage to the Fairfax democrat brand. What an unforced error.
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Kyle seems like quite the attention whore always trying to get in the press. Makes sense because he doesn’t care about the schools, just advancing his political career.
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The thing that makes me furious, is that McDaniel never mentioned redistricting when he ran for the board.

In fact, none of them mentioned it, despite this being the obvious end goal for many of them. It’s about to do immense damage to the Fairfax democrat brand. What an unforced error.


You gave yourself away.

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