Cops in TX tackle & block desperate parents, while they let shooter rampage thru the school

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Kids should not go to school in a prison. That’s completely f**ked up. Who are you monsters?!


Ban guns! It’s so easy to fix.

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Anonymous wrote:How, if in Texas everyone is ok with just buying an assault rifle at a local sporting goods store, do police not have a supply of them to bring to such a situation? Don’t they have those armored vehicles we bought them?
And couldn’t they have just gone to the same sporting goods store and picked up the same gun and rounds of ammunition as they leisurely drove to the school?

I am sure the truth of what happened is even worse than what the police are sharing, though it strains me to imagine how that could be at this point.

They had the weaponry. The did not have the tactical equipment to protect themselves. They still should have gone in

Why do we have a militarized police force that is too scared or unprepared to actually protect people when they need it.

Between these gutsy bad-ass heroes (pictured above) and, get this, "a proper perimeter fence" locked doors and "signs posted saying that adults on premise were armed and ready to engage" and we're all set!

Oh, wait...

There were no locked doors, nor a proper perimeter fence aimed at deterrence. Nor signs. There was no equipment at the scene. And yes, their actions were a problem. I’m more concerned that the gunman had such easy access in this day and age. Was he known to law enforcement. He did pass a background check so that didn’t work.

Schools aren't built like prisons. In general, they don't have proper perimeter fences, since students walk in from the neighborhood. Some schools lock doors but not all - upper schools with open campuses cannot lock doors. Locally, in the DMV, nearly all elementary schools lock doors but nearly all also have trailers that are unsecured.

The solution is not to put up higher fences. Think outside of your box.

And armed shooters aren’t the only thing we need to protect against. Locked doors and a single entrance are not so great if there’s a fire.

Single entrances? Who said that? Doors can open from the inside and remain locked to those from the outside. Good LORD, how do you NOT know this?

Texas Senator Ted Cruz suggested only 1 door in schools with a guard at it.

Senators don't need to actually make sense. They just need to not piss off their voters. They know the game.

Voters?! You mean NRA donors.

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Anonymous wrote:How, if in Texas everyone is ok with just buying an assault rifle at a local sporting goods store, do police not have a supply of them to bring to such a situation? Don’t they have those armored vehicles we bought them?
And couldn’t they have just gone to the same sporting goods store and picked up the same gun and rounds of ammunition as they leisurely drove to the school?

I am sure the truth of what happened is even worse than what the police are sharing, though it strains me to imagine how that could be at this point.

They had the weaponry. The did not have the tactical equipment to protect themselves. They still should have gone in

Why do we have a militarized police force that is too scared or unprepared to actually protect people when they need it.

Between these gutsy bad-ass heroes (pictured above) and, get this, "a proper perimeter fence" locked doors and "signs posted saying that adults on premise were armed and ready to engage" and we're all set!

Oh, wait...

There were no locked doors, nor a proper perimeter fence aimed at deterrence. Nor signs. There was no equipment at the scene. And yes, their actions were a problem. I’m more concerned that the gunman had such easy access in this day and age. Was he known to law enforcement. He did pass a background check so that didn’t work.

Schools aren't built like prisons. In general, they don't have proper perimeter fences, since students walk in from the neighborhood. Some schools lock doors but not all - upper schools with open campuses cannot lock doors. Locally, in the DMV, nearly all elementary schools lock doors but nearly all also have trailers that are unsecured.

The solution is not to put up higher fences. Think outside of your box.

Out west, a lot of schools either have classrooms that open to the outside, or they’re a series of small buildings with multiple entrances. It’s not like there’s only one way in and out. The layout at Robb sounds a lot like my kids’ elementary school in CA. It’s a long building with a main hall, classrooms on both sides, and a door to each class that leads to the hallway, and a door to each class that opens to the outside. The common room/cafeteria and library each have one entrance from the hallway and 2 or 3 doors to the outside. All the classrooms and offices have lots of windows because natural light is so good for everyone.

The point is, it’s not like schools back east where you have a main entrance and have to be inside the school to access classrooms. They can’t be secured the same way or have a guard posted at every entrance. Their elementary school probably has 30 entrances.

Not just out west. I'm in Alexandria VA and our local elementary has classrooms with doors that open to the outside. And big windows.

Which is why a secure fence might be helpful

There's no way to put in a secure fence on that property without tearing up the sidewalk or the street.

They managed to erect a giant fence around all of Capitol Hill in one day to protect Congress.

That's the answer, a fence! We could even call them "proper perimeter fences" that are "intended to deter."

Meanwhile, the 2-for-1 assault weapons sale continues at your nearby location of Ye Olde Gun Shoppe, outfitting mass shooters since 1998!

Like the Republicans say: School Shootings: Are They Really That Bad?

Lol the exact vibe I got from the other thread: “should we really base policy around school shootings???”

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Anonymous wrote:HOW was that one exterior door open so he could enter the school

Was the classroom door propped open

What is the story with the first SRO

So many questions

It's like 90 degrees by 1130am in that part of the country. They probably keep doors open to help with air circulation. A small rural school in TX ("low taxes! business friendly!") doesn't have the money for a badging system with magnetic locked doors.

Do you really think it's normal to keep kids boxed inside small classrooms with no fresh air all day to prevent school shootings?

That's literally the consequences of your argument.

It’s not 1850s. A/C. Duh.

Ah, yes. Those notoriously free A/C systems. I understand the red voting citizens of red states love to approve referendums for school funding.

I observed six A/C compressors lined up outside the back door the gun man used. Of course they have A/C. It’s also a fairly new school. You sure are twisting yourself to defend an incompetent SRO. I’m a retired police officer and they used to only send screw ups to be SROs. I guess it’s the same there. We know the one at Stoneman-Douglas was an undisputed coward. The mayor and most of this town’s police department need to be fired and probably criminally charged. What did the mayor really spend police training funds on? I bet there’s a story there.

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Anonymous wrote:I really hope DOJ or FBI conducts an independent investigation on the shooter and the law enforcement response. Heads need to roll.

Why would heads roll? You think Abbott and company will not cover this up? Texans will support the republican governor and state officials. Nothing will happen but more money for the police and awards given out. Maybe they can get another swat team for the town.

This is Texas. There will be a non-white mid-level scapegoat who is not an elected Republican and was not appointed by an elected Republican.

We now know exactly who was at fault. The Chief of Police of the Independent School District and the 18 other cowards on site that were happy to go along.

(His name is easily found but I won't write it)

We also now know why the police were lying so much on Tuesday and Wednesday. The guy that effed up so badly was one of the guys doing the initial press conferences.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids should not go to school in a prison. That’s completely f**ked up. Who are you monsters?!


Ban guns! It’s so easy to fix.

+1

We need serious gun control. Including banning AR-15s.

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Anonymous wrote:Give the police budget to schools and maybe we woudln't need anything else.
More teachers
More counselors
More time spent 1:1
More hands on focus
More education
More safe spaces
More food in bellies

And fewer guns

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Anonymous wrote:HOW was that one exterior door open so he could enter the school

Was the classroom door propped open

What is the story with the first SRO

So many questions

It's like 90 degrees by 1130am in that part of the country. They probably keep doors open to help with air circulation. A small rural school in TX ("low taxes! business friendly!") doesn't have the money for a badging system with magnetic locked doors.

Do you really think it's normal to keep kids boxed inside small classrooms with no fresh air all day to prevent school shootings?

That's literally the consequences of your argument.

It’s not 1850s. A/C. Duh.

Ah, yes. Those notoriously free A/C systems. I understand the red voting citizens of red states love to approve referendums for school funding.

I observed six A/C compressors lined up outside the back door the gun man used. Of course they have A/C. It’s also a fairly new school. You sure are twisting yourself to defend an incompetent SRO. I’m a retired police officer and they used to only send screw ups to be SROs. I guess it’s the same there. We know the one at Stoneman-Douglas was an undisputed coward. The mayor and most of this town’s police department need to be fired and probably criminally charged. What did the mayor really spend police training funds on? I bet there’s a story there.

You are not going to get the best of the best for a school district salary. But I guess it's easier to sit around and blame a cop, than to face the truth that Americans would rather have thousands of dying kids than submit to the most basic of gun safety measures (background checks, licensing, liability insurance).

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Anonymous wrote:How, if in Texas everyone is ok with just buying an assault rifle at a local sporting goods store, do police not have a supply of them to bring to such a situation? Don’t they have those armored vehicles we bought them?
And couldn’t they have just gone to the same sporting goods store and picked up the same gun and rounds of ammunition as they leisurely drove to the school?

I am sure the truth of what happened is even worse than what the police are sharing, though it strains me to imagine how that could be at this point.

They had the weaponry. The did not have the tactical equipment to protect themselves. They still should have gone in

Why do we have a militarized police force that is too scared or unprepared to actually protect people when they need it.

Between these gutsy bad-ass heroes (pictured above) and, get this, "a proper perimeter fence" locked doors and "signs posted saying that adults on premise were armed and ready to engage" and we're all set!

Oh, wait...

There were no locked doors, nor a proper perimeter fence aimed at deterrence. Nor signs. There was no equipment at the scene. And yes, their actions were a problem. I’m more concerned that the gunman had such easy access in this day and age. Was he known to law enforcement. He did pass a background check so that didn’t work.

Schools aren't built like prisons. In general, they don't have proper perimeter fences, since students walk in from the neighborhood. Some schools lock doors but not all - upper schools with open campuses cannot lock doors. Locally, in the DMV, nearly all elementary schools lock doors but nearly all also have trailers that are unsecured.

The solution is not to put up higher fences. Think outside of your box.

And armed shooters aren’t the only thing we need to protect against. Locked doors and a single entrance are not so great if there’s a fire.

Single entrances? Who said that? Doors can open from the inside and remain locked to those from the outside. Good LORD, how do you NOT know this?

Texas Senator Ted Cruz suggested only 1 door in schools with a guard at it.

That’ll be good for fire safety.

You could have only one door for an entrance and the rest open from inside only. But it’s a dumb idea because the gunman could easily shoot the guard or smash a window. The guns are the problem.

The GOP might support increased grants and funding for police to train for active shooters. They’ll say the police simply weren’t prepared enough and need more guns and federal funds. That’ll do it!

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Anonymous wrote:I never thought I'd be thankful that the CBP are crazy and trigger-happy. Thank you CBP officer.

Federal police are so much better than local police. Federal police are well trained.

They also aren't just doing it to cosplay.
Did you see that horrible SWAT facebook post from their PD? Bragging about taking care of situations just like this. WtF
When asked where SWAT was they said "they are part time and weren't prepared"

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Anonymous wrote:I never thought I'd be thankful that the CBP are crazy and trigger-happy. Thank you CBP officer.

Federal police are so much better than local police. Federal police are well trained.

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Anonymous wrote:How, if in Texas everyone is ok with just buying an assault rifle at a local sporting goods store, do police not have a supply of them to bring to such a situation? Don’t they have those armored vehicles we bought them?
And couldn’t they have just gone to the same sporting goods store and picked up the same gun and rounds of ammunition as they leisurely drove to the school?

I am sure the truth of what happened is even worse than what the police are sharing, though it strains me to imagine how that could be at this point.

They had the weaponry. The did not have the tactical equipment to protect themselves. They still should have gone in

Why do we have a militarized police force that is too scared or unprepared to actually protect people when they need it.

Between these gutsy bad-ass heroes (pictured above) and, get this, "a proper perimeter fence" locked doors and "signs posted saying that adults on premise were armed and ready to engage" and we're all set!

Oh, wait...

There were no locked doors, nor a proper perimeter fence aimed at deterrence. Nor signs. There was no equipment at the scene. And yes, their actions were a problem. I’m more concerned that the gunman had such easy access in this day and age. Was he known to law enforcement. He did pass a background check so that didn’t work.

Schools aren't built like prisons. In general, they don't have proper perimeter fences, since students walk in from the neighborhood. Some schools lock doors but not all - upper schools with open campuses cannot lock doors. Locally, in the DMV, nearly all elementary schools lock doors but nearly all also have trailers that are unsecured.

The solution is not to put up higher fences. Think outside of your box.

And armed shooters aren’t the only thing we need to protect against. Locked doors and a single entrance are not so great if there’s a fire.

Single entrances? Who said that? Doors can open from the inside and remain locked to those from the outside. Good LORD, how do you NOT know this?

Texas Senator Ted Cruz suggested only 1 door in schools with a guard at it.

That’ll be good for fire safety.

You could have only one door for an entrance and the rest open from inside only. But it’s a dumb idea because the gunman could easily shoot the guard or smash a window. The guns are the problem.

The GOP might support increased grants and funding for police to train for active shooters. They’ll say the police simply weren’t prepared enough and need more guns and federal funds. That’ll do it!

The swat team never showed up. Wonder if they will have to give back all the extra pay?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I never thought I'd be thankful that the CBP are crazy and trigger-happy. Thank you CBP officer.

Federal police are so much better than local police. Federal police are well trained.

Except when it came to Jan 6th. In that case it was the local police that saved the day. The guy who messed up was leadership. The problems on Jan 6th were leadership. The problem is the idiots in leadership.

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Anonymous wrote:I never thought I'd be thankful that the CBP are crazy and trigger-happy. Thank you CBP officer.

Federal police are so much better than local police. Federal police are well trained.

These are the ones the NRA want you to kill with your AR-15. You know the NRA who are supported by elected politicians…guess they support killing federal law enforcement also.

[Anonymous]

This is like something from The Onion:

Texas law enforcement official defends police inaction: 'They could've been shot'

https://www.rawstory.com/uvalde-2657403341/