Cops in TX tackle & block desperate parents, while they let shooter rampage thru the school

[Anonymous]

FINALLY they say it was a wrong decision.
Well no shit.

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Anonymous wrote:How, if in Texas everyone is ok with just buying an assault rifle at a local sporting goods store, do police not have a supply of them to bring to such a situation? Don’t they have those armored vehicles we bought them?
And couldn’t they have just gone to the same sporting goods store and picked up the same gun and rounds of ammunition as they leisurely drove to the school?

I am sure the truth of what happened is even worse than what the police are sharing, though it strains me to imagine how that could be at this point.

They had the weaponry. The did not have the tactical equipment to protect themselves. They still should have gone in

Why do we have a militarized police force that is too scared or unprepared to actually protect people when they need it.

Between these gutsy bad-ass heroes (pictured above) and, get this, "a proper perimeter fence" locked doors and "signs posted saying that adults on premise were armed and ready to engage" and we're all set!

Oh, wait...

There were no locked doors, nor a proper perimeter fence aimed at deterrence. Nor signs. There was no equipment at the scene. And yes, their actions were a problem. I’m more concerned that the gunman had such easy access in this day and age. Was he known to law enforcement. He did pass a background check so that didn’t work.

Schools aren't built like prisons. In general, they don't have proper perimeter fences, since students walk in from the neighborhood. Some schools lock doors but not all - upper schools with open campuses cannot lock doors. Locally, in the DMV, nearly all elementary schools lock doors but nearly all also have trailers that are unsecured.

The solution is not to put up higher fences. Think outside of your box.

And armed shooters aren’t the only thing we need to protect against. Locked doors and a single entrance are not so great if there’s a fire.

Single entrances? Who said that? Doors can open from the inside and remain locked to those from the outside. Good LORD, how do you NOT know this?

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Anonymous wrote:How, if in Texas everyone is ok with just buying an assault rifle at a local sporting goods store, do police not have a supply of them to bring to such a situation? Don’t they have those armored vehicles we bought them?
And couldn’t they have just gone to the same sporting goods store and picked up the same gun and rounds of ammunition as they leisurely drove to the school?

I am sure the truth of what happened is even worse than what the police are sharing, though it strains me to imagine how that could be at this point.

They had the weaponry. The did not have the tactical equipment to protect themselves. They still should have gone in

Why do we have a militarized police force that is too scared or unprepared to actually protect people when they need it.

Between these gutsy bad-ass heroes (pictured above) and, get this, "a proper perimeter fence" locked doors and "signs posted saying that adults on premise were armed and ready to engage" and we're all set!

Oh, wait...

There were no locked doors, nor a proper perimeter fence aimed at deterrence. Nor signs. There was no equipment at the scene. And yes, their actions were a problem. I’m more concerned that the gunman had such easy access in this day and age. Was he known to law enforcement. He did pass a background check so that didn’t work.

Schools aren't built like prisons. In general, they don't have proper perimeter fences, since students walk in from the neighborhood. Some schools lock doors but not all - upper schools with open campuses cannot lock doors. Locally, in the DMV, nearly all elementary schools lock doors but nearly all also have trailers that are unsecured.

The solution is not to put up higher fences. Think outside of your box.

And armed shooters aren’t the only thing we need to protect against. Locked doors and a single entrance are not so great if there’s a fire.

Single entrances? Who said that? Doors can open from the inside and remain locked to those from the outside. Good LORD, how do you NOT know this?

Texas Senator Ted Cruz suggested only 1 door in schools with a guard at it.

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Anonymous wrote:How, if in Texas everyone is ok with just buying an assault rifle at a local sporting goods store, do police not have a supply of them to bring to such a situation? Don’t they have those armored vehicles we bought them?
And couldn’t they have just gone to the same sporting goods store and picked up the same gun and rounds of ammunition as they leisurely drove to the school?

I am sure the truth of what happened is even worse than what the police are sharing, though it strains me to imagine how that could be at this point.

They had the weaponry. The did not have the tactical equipment to protect themselves. They still should have gone in

Why do we have a militarized police force that is too scared or unprepared to actually protect people when they need it.

Between these gutsy bad-ass heroes (pictured above) and, get this, "a proper perimeter fence" locked doors and "signs posted saying that adults on premise were armed and ready to engage" and we're all set!

Oh, wait...

There were no locked doors, nor a proper perimeter fence aimed at deterrence. Nor signs. There was no equipment at the scene. And yes, their actions were a problem. I’m more concerned that the gunman had such easy access in this day and age. Was he known to law enforcement. He did pass a background check so that didn’t work.

Schools aren't built like prisons. In general, they don't have proper perimeter fences, since students walk in from the neighborhood. Some schools lock doors but not all - upper schools with open campuses cannot lock doors. Locally, in the DMV, nearly all elementary schools lock doors but nearly all also have trailers that are unsecured.

The solution is not to put up higher fences. Think outside of your box.

And armed shooters aren’t the only thing we need to protect against. Locked doors and a single entrance are not so great if there’s a fire.

Single entrances? Who said that? Doors can open from the inside and remain locked to those from the outside. Good LORD, how do you NOT know this?

Texas Senator Ted Cruz suggested only 1 door in schools with a guard at it.

That’ll be good for fire safety.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05/27/us/texas-school-shooting#a-border-patrol-tactical-team-was-ordered-to-hold-back-before-confronting-the-gunman

The agents from Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrived at some point between 12 p.m. and 12:10 p.m., according to the officials — far earlier than previously known. But they did not breach the adjoining classrooms of the school where the gunman had locked himself in until a little before 1 p.m. Members of the federal tactical team killed the gunman.

The officials said that members of the Uvalde Police Department kept the federal agents from going in sooner.

How can a local police department stop a Federal agency from going in? That seems really off.

Oh please. You've never seen people argue in a situation with fuzzy jurisdiction issues. Even a 5-10 minute delay costs lives.

[Anonymous]

Give the police budget to schools and maybe we woudln't need anything else.
More teachers
More counselors
More time spent 1:1
More hands on focus
More education
More safe spaces
More food in bellies

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Anonymous wrote:How, if in Texas everyone is ok with just buying an assault rifle at a local sporting goods store, do police not have a supply of them to bring to such a situation? Don’t they have those armored vehicles we bought them?
And couldn’t they have just gone to the same sporting goods store and picked up the same gun and rounds of ammunition as they leisurely drove to the school?

I am sure the truth of what happened is even worse than what the police are sharing, though it strains me to imagine how that could be at this point.

They had the weaponry. The did not have the tactical equipment to protect themselves. They still should have gone in

Why do we have a militarized police force that is too scared or unprepared to actually protect people when they need it.

Between these gutsy bad-ass heroes (pictured above) and, get this, "a proper perimeter fence" locked doors and "signs posted saying that adults on premise were armed and ready to engage" and we're all set!

Oh, wait...

There were no locked doors, nor a proper perimeter fence aimed at deterrence. Nor signs. There was no equipment at the scene. And yes, their actions were a problem. I’m more concerned that the gunman had such easy access in this day and age. Was he known to law enforcement. He did pass a background check so that didn’t work.

Schools aren't built like prisons. In general, they don't have proper perimeter fences, since students walk in from the neighborhood. Some schools lock doors but not all - upper schools with open campuses cannot lock doors. Locally, in the DMV, nearly all elementary schools lock doors but nearly all also have trailers that are unsecured.

The solution is not to put up higher fences. Think outside of your box.

And armed shooters aren’t the only thing we need to protect against. Locked doors and a single entrance are not so great if there’s a fire.

Single entrances? Who said that? Doors can open from the inside and remain locked to those from the outside. Good LORD, how do you NOT know this?

Texas Senator Ted Cruz suggested only 1 door in schools with a guard at it.

Senators don't need to actually make sense. They just need to not piss off their voters. They know the game.

[Anonymous]

Not only were their 'good guys' with guns, there were over 18 COPS THERE waiting. WAITING.........................while kids died.

My gawd, come on. We need something to change adn more money aint it

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Anonymous wrote:I really hope DOJ or FBI conducts an independent investigation on the shooter and the law enforcement response. Heads need to roll.

Why would heads roll? You think Abbott and company will not cover this up? Texans will support the republican governor and state officials. Nothing will happen but more money for the police and awards given out. Maybe they can get another swat team for the town.

This is Texas. There will be a non-white mid-level scapegoat who is not an elected Republican and was not appointed by an elected Republican.

We now know exactly who was at fault. The Chief of Police of the Independent School District and the 18 other cowards on site that were happy to go along.

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Anonymous wrote:How, if in Texas everyone is ok with just buying an assault rifle at a local sporting goods store, do police not have a supply of them to bring to such a situation? Don’t they have those armored vehicles we bought them?
And couldn’t they have just gone to the same sporting goods store and picked up the same gun and rounds of ammunition as they leisurely drove to the school?

I am sure the truth of what happened is even worse than what the police are sharing, though it strains me to imagine how that could be at this point.

They had the weaponry. The did not have the tactical equipment to protect themselves. They still should have gone in

Why do we have a militarized police force that is too scared or unprepared to actually protect people when they need it.

Between these gutsy bad-ass heroes (pictured above) and, get this, "a proper perimeter fence" locked doors and "signs posted saying that adults on premise were armed and ready to engage" and we're all set!

Oh, wait...

There were no locked doors, nor a proper perimeter fence aimed at deterrence. Nor signs. There was no equipment at the scene. And yes, their actions were a problem. I’m more concerned that the gunman had such easy access in this day and age. Was he known to law enforcement. He did pass a background check so that didn’t work.

Schools aren't built like prisons. In general, they don't have proper perimeter fences, since students walk in from the neighborhood. Some schools lock doors but not all - upper schools with open campuses cannot lock doors. Locally, in the DMV, nearly all elementary schools lock doors but nearly all also have trailers that are unsecured.

The solution is not to put up higher fences. Think outside of your box.

Out west, a lot of schools either have classrooms that open to the outside, or they’re a series of small buildings with multiple entrances. It’s not like there’s only one way in and out. The layout at Robb sounds a lot like my kids’ elementary school in CA. It’s a long building with a main hall, classrooms on both sides, and a door to each class that leads to the hallway, and a door to each class that opens to the outside. The common room/cafeteria and library each have one entrance from the hallway and 2 or 3 doors to the outside. All the classrooms and offices have lots of windows because natural light is so good for everyone.

The point is, it’s not like schools back east where you have a main entrance and have to be inside the school to access classrooms. They can’t be secured the same way or have a guard posted at every entrance. Their elementary school probably has 30 entrances.

Not just out west. I'm in Alexandria VA and our local elementary has classrooms with doors that open to the outside. And big windows.

Which is why a secure fence might be helpful

There's no way to put in a secure fence on that property without tearing up the sidewalk or the street.

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Most schools have fences but they still have FRONT doors.
Our school is locked 100% of the time but has 100 windows and glass doors so i am not sure who helpful locks will be.
With fences around the entire building how do you get people in who need to (parents droppign off late due to appointment as example).
You have gated security? Wtf

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Anonymous wrote:How, if in Texas everyone is ok with just buying an assault rifle at a local sporting goods store, do police not have a supply of them to bring to such a situation? Don’t they have those armored vehicles we bought them?
And couldn’t they have just gone to the same sporting goods store and picked up the same gun and rounds of ammunition as they leisurely drove to the school?

I am sure the truth of what happened is even worse than what the police are sharing, though it strains me to imagine how that could be at this point.

They had the weaponry. The did not have the tactical equipment to protect themselves. They still should have gone in

Why do we have a militarized police force that is too scared or unprepared to actually protect people when they need it.

Between these gutsy bad-ass heroes (pictured above) and, get this, "a proper perimeter fence" locked doors and "signs posted saying that adults on premise were armed and ready to engage" and we're all set!

Oh, wait...

There were no locked doors, nor a proper perimeter fence aimed at deterrence. Nor signs. There was no equipment at the scene. And yes, their actions were a problem. I’m more concerned that the gunman had such easy access in this day and age. Was he known to law enforcement. He did pass a background check so that didn’t work.

Schools aren't built like prisons. In general, they don't have proper perimeter fences, since students walk in from the neighborhood. Some schools lock doors but not all - upper schools with open campuses cannot lock doors. Locally, in the DMV, nearly all elementary schools lock doors but nearly all also have trailers that are unsecured.

The solution is not to put up higher fences. Think outside of your box.

Out west, a lot of schools either have classrooms that open to the outside, or they’re a series of small buildings with multiple entrances. It’s not like there’s only one way in and out. The layout at Robb sounds a lot like my kids’ elementary school in CA. It’s a long building with a main hall, classrooms on both sides, and a door to each class that leads to the hallway, and a door to each class that opens to the outside. The common room/cafeteria and library each have one entrance from the hallway and 2 or 3 doors to the outside. All the classrooms and offices have lots of windows because natural light is so good for everyone.

The point is, it’s not like schools back east where you have a main entrance and have to be inside the school to access classrooms. They can’t be secured the same way or have a guard posted at every entrance. Their elementary school probably has 30 entrances.

Not just out west. I'm in Alexandria VA and our local elementary has classrooms with doors that open to the outside. And big windows.

Which is why a secure fence might be helpful

There's no way to put in a secure fence on that property without tearing up the sidewalk or the street.

They managed to erect a giant fence around all of Capitol Hill in one day to protect Congress.

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“Waiting to confront the Uvalde gunman was a mistake, a top Texas police official said, as he described harrowing 911 calls from students.”

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Anonymous wrote:I never thought I'd be thankful that the CBP are crazy and trigger-happy. Thank you CBP officer.

Federal police are so much better than local police. Federal police are well trained.

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Anonymous wrote:How, if in Texas everyone is ok with just buying an assault rifle at a local sporting goods store, do police not have a supply of them to bring to such a situation? Don’t they have those armored vehicles we bought them?
And couldn’t they have just gone to the same sporting goods store and picked up the same gun and rounds of ammunition as they leisurely drove to the school?

I am sure the truth of what happened is even worse than what the police are sharing, though it strains me to imagine how that could be at this point.

They had the weaponry. The did not have the tactical equipment to protect themselves. They still should have gone in

Why do we have a militarized police force that is too scared or unprepared to actually protect people when they need it.

Between these gutsy bad-ass heroes (pictured above) and, get this, "a proper perimeter fence" locked doors and "signs posted saying that adults on premise were armed and ready to engage" and we're all set!

Oh, wait...

There were no locked doors, nor a proper perimeter fence aimed at deterrence. Nor signs. There was no equipment at the scene. And yes, their actions were a problem. I’m more concerned that the gunman had such easy access in this day and age. Was he known to law enforcement. He did pass a background check so that didn’t work.

Schools aren't built like prisons. In general, they don't have proper perimeter fences, since students walk in from the neighborhood. Some schools lock doors but not all - upper schools with open campuses cannot lock doors. Locally, in the DMV, nearly all elementary schools lock doors but nearly all also have trailers that are unsecured.

The solution is not to put up higher fences. Think outside of your box.

Out west, a lot of schools either have classrooms that open to the outside, or they’re a series of small buildings with multiple entrances. It’s not like there’s only one way in and out. The layout at Robb sounds a lot like my kids’ elementary school in CA. It’s a long building with a main hall, classrooms on both sides, and a door to each class that leads to the hallway, and a door to each class that opens to the outside. The common room/cafeteria and library each have one entrance from the hallway and 2 or 3 doors to the outside. All the classrooms and offices have lots of windows because natural light is so good for everyone.

The point is, it’s not like schools back east where you have a main entrance and have to be inside the school to access classrooms. They can’t be secured the same way or have a guard posted at every entrance. Their elementary school probably has 30 entrances.

Not just out west. I'm in Alexandria VA and our local elementary has classrooms with doors that open to the outside. And big windows.

Which is why a secure fence might be helpful

There's no way to put in a secure fence on that property without tearing up the sidewalk or the street.

They managed to erect a giant fence around all of Capitol Hill in one day to protect Congress.

That's the answer, a fence! We could even call them "proper perimeter fences" that are "intended to deter."

Meanwhile, the 2-for-1 assault weapons sale continues at your nearby location of Ye Olde Gun Shoppe, outfitting mass shooters since 1998!

Like the Republicans say: School Shootings: Are They Really That Bad?