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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]UVA[/quote]

of course you're just being salty. UVA has gone up over the years.[/quote]

[b]UVA was at one time the top ranked public university in USNWR.  [/b]it is now 4th with other publics very close in ranking points.  So you could certainly make a case it has declined.[/quote]

I definitely remember when it was number 2.  But t[b]hen they added the Pell Grant stuff and it went down[/b].  Has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of education of course.[/quote]

This is what has hurt W&M's ranking as well.  All this handwringing etc. is fairly meaningless because a rankings organization decides to shift criteria that is tangential and shifts some schools up and others down.  I think equity is important, but different regions have different proportions of Pell Grant recipients so it makes no sense to use that as a relative criteria when assessing public schools that serve different states.
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+1. yes UVA was no 2 public university for 27 years and only dropped lower recently due to the inclusion of Pell grant recipients -which they if you know anything about higher Ed -UVA can’t control because Pell Grants come after admissions. Same with W& M.  California has more students in the Pell grant range than Virginia. Most o. The higher Ed industry think this is a ridiculous criterion because it cannot be controlled for.  If anything UVA and W& M have become more selective and  Prestigious in the last few years because everyone now wants to go there due to favorable in-state and OOS tuition (yes, still lower than most privates)[/quote]

Everyone instate might want to go there. OOS is a different matter. They are headed to UVA for business and the soft majors. No serious student in STEM is going to consider either school at OOS rates. [/quote]

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