The cruelty and misogyny of forced birth politics

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nine people in DC charged with civil rights violations. If convicted they each face eleven years in prison. Of the nine, only one could possibly have a viable uterus.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/feds-charged-blocking-dc-reproductive-health-clinic-837684

That link doesn’t work for me so here’s a better one. https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/crime/anti-abortion-protesters-indicted-on-felony-charge-for-blocking-dc-clinic-lauren-handy-william-goodman-jonathan-darnell/65-1f6cd1f5-f5f9-4a05-a640-b0df577f19bd

I think the only woman in the above civil rights case with a functioning uterus kept her own aborted fetuses at home. DC Police did a search warrant on her home and found remains of five preborn children. Was she getting pregnant just so she could abort them? Wow what a nut. She proves how hypocritical the violently pro life group is.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/anti-abortion-activist-fetuses

So are they hers or someone elses? If they are hers, are you allowed to keep your aborted fetuses?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand is why people would want a society where mothers are forced to raise children they don't want. Like, that outcome is not good for the children and in turn, society. More poverty, more abuse, more crime, etc. It affects everyone eventually.

And don't give me the whole give them up for adoption excuse. We all know that a fraction of those children actually get adopted, and our foster system is a nightmare. Again, poverty, abuse, crime, etc.

It isn't the child's fault- they didn't choose to be born into such circumstances and they are the ones punished.

Should we issue licenses on who can have babies?

Again, to your statement "What I don't understand is why people would want a society where mothers are forced to raise children they don't want ... And don't give me the whole give them up for adoption excuse ". If you feel this way, then why not allow infanticide by the parents? Why is killing a new born so horrific and taboo, while killing a fetus is to be protected? Or - are you willing to concede to the "life starts at" argument, with a particular, scientifically established # of weeks as that point in time? Anytime before, not an issue and anytime after this ... murder (or under your proposal, the parents' choice inclduing and up to "X" number of days, weeks, months, or year POST-birth. I mean, if the baby is not wanted by its parents (or specifically by its mama) then by all means, let's kill the darn thing.

Thousands of IVF embryos are destroyed each year. So do you think that's murder or not?

Because how is it different from infanticide?

You’ve avoided my question by asking one of your own. To me human life starts at 24 weeks after conception. Prior to that do what you want to your body. After that, treat that life the same as a newborn. When do YOU think human life starts? Just answer my question please.

Ahhh… we’re back to the forced birther red herring of forcing dying women to die for their pregnancies or women with wanted pregnancies to carry a dying or dead pregnancy to term.

I see you’ve again avoided my question and are deflecting because you’d don’t like your answer’s consequences. The overwhelming number of abortion have nothing to do with “dying women” or “dead/dying babies”, so just stop with that argument. And believe it or not MOST mothers (and fathers) are willing to die for their children. We see that you obviously are not one of these people (how selfish of you). Obviously, when the physical health of the mother or child are medically in question the laws should (and most do) account for that. I am not arguing it shouldn’t. So let’s get back to the main point:

Just answer my question, when do you believe human life begins?

BTW, I actually believe in the right to decide to end one’s or one’s dependent’s life due to a terminal condition, so even if a born baby was terminally ill, I believe the parents should have the right to pull the plug per se.

Finally, the answer to this question would be applied to all humans regardless of the procreation method (for the poster that’s been talking about IVF).

Lol. I’m the OP of this thread and I just think your sad attempts at gotchas are the saddest thing going. Why are you obsessing over third trimester abortion when they make up approximately .01% of all abortions and the third trimester abortions most definitely do involve fetal abnormalities and maternal disease and risk of death? (Abortions 21 weeks and later are 1% of all abortions. Here’s a link you won’t bother to read https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/fact-sheet/abortions-later-in-pregnancy/)

The question isn’t when does human life begin, the question is why do you believe that women aren’t entitled to make their own medical decisions? Why do forced birthers oppose birth control? Why are forced birthers willing to let the family members of rapists sue an abortion provider? Why do forced birthers hate women so much they’re willing to tie them to the men who rape them? Why do forced birthers keep showing how much they hate women and then try to pretend it’s about life?

You don’t seem to be able to think this through: we see through your bullsht. No one thinks you care about life. We saw you refusing to mask, refusing to stay home and refusing to wear a mask. Because “it was too difficult.” But you’re willing to use the state’s power to compel bodily slavery? Get off. No one is fooled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nine people in DC charged with civil rights violations. If convicted they each face eleven years in prison. Of the nine, only one could possibly have a viable uterus.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/feds-charged-blocking-dc-reproductive-health-clinic-837684

That link doesn’t work for me so here’s a better one. https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/crime/anti-abortion-protesters-indicted-on-felony-charge-for-blocking-dc-clinic-lauren-handy-william-goodman-jonathan-darnell/65-1f6cd1f5-f5f9-4a05-a640-b0df577f19bd

I think the only woman in the above civil rights case with a functioning uterus kept her own aborted fetuses at home. DC Police did a search warrant on her home and found remains of five preborn children. Was she getting pregnant just so she could abort them? Wow what a nut. She proves how hypocritical the violently pro life group is.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/anti-abortion-activist-fetuses

...And as the mother of a young professional DC resident I was going to jokingly inquire if her apartment is available. It turns out her landlord, the owner of her apartment, is a former clerk for...Clarence Thomas. I've tried to forget about him for thirty years but his name just keeps popping up. DC sure is a small town. What are the chances?

[Anonymous]

Since it's a $1.3 million home on Capitol Hill I'm guessing he lives in the home and rents his basement to Lauren. If he knew of her terroristic activity and charged her below market rent he may have some legal exposure.

[Anonymous]

It seems like there is room for compromise on this issue. Most abortions occur in the first trimester and most Americans are okay with abortion at that time. 15 weeks is a pretty standard regulation around the world.

I have seen research that suggests that those most likely to have a post-15 week abortion are poor women who couldn’t access care prior to that time or women who have severe medical issues. My personal opinion is that I don’t think we need to ban abortion after 15 weeks because it is already so rare and the ban would affect vulnerable people.

However, many Americans don’t agree with me, so I think an appropriate compromise is around 15 weeks. This is a political argument, not a viability argument or a morality argument.

(Currently 30 weeks pregnant with insomnia and posting on DCUM at 4 am…)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It seems like there is room for compromise on this issue. Most abortions occur in the first trimester and most Americans are okay with abortion at that time. 15 weeks is a pretty standard regulation around the world.

I have seen research that suggests that those most likely to have a post-15 week abortion are poor women who couldn’t access care prior to that time or women who have severe medical issues. My personal opinion is that I don’t think we need to ban abortion after 15 weeks because it is already so rare and the ban would affect vulnerable people.

However, many Americans don’t agree with me, so I think an appropriate compromise is around 15 weeks. This is a political argument, not a viability argument or a morality argument.

(Currently 30 weeks pregnant with insomnia and posting on DCUM at 4 am…)

No. I don’t think we need abortion bans at any point. It’s a medical procedure. Regulate it like any other medical procedure and then bow out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nine people in DC charged with civil rights violations. If convicted they each face eleven years in prison. Of the nine, only one could possibly have a viable uterus.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/feds-charged-blocking-dc-reproductive-health-clinic-837684

That link doesn’t work for me so here’s a better one. https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/crime/anti-abortion-protesters-indicted-on-felony-charge-for-blocking-dc-clinic-lauren-handy-william-goodman-jonathan-darnell/65-1f6cd1f5-f5f9-4a05-a640-b0df577f19bd

I think the only woman in the above civil rights case with a functioning uterus kept her own aborted fetuses at home. DC Police did a search warrant on her home and found remains of five preborn children. Was she getting pregnant just so she could abort them? Wow what a nut. She proves how hypocritical the violently pro life group is.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/anti-abortion-activist-fetuses

Interesting.
...And as the mother of a young professional DC resident I was going to jokingly inquire if her apartment is available. It turns out her landlord, the owner of her apartment, is a former clerk for...Clarence Thomas. I've tried to forget about him for thirty years but his name just keeps popping up. DC sure is a small town. What are the chances?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems like there is room for compromise on this issue. Most abortions occur in the first trimester and most Americans are okay with abortion at that time. 15 weeks is a pretty standard regulation around the world.

I have seen research that suggests that those most likely to have a post-15 week abortion are poor women who couldn’t access care prior to that time or women who have severe medical issues. My personal opinion is that I don’t think we need to ban abortion after 15 weeks because it is already so rare and the ban would affect vulnerable people.

However, many Americans don’t agree with me, so I think an appropriate compromise is around 15 weeks. This is a political argument, not a viability argument or a morality argument.

(Currently 30 weeks pregnant with insomnia and posting on DCUM at 4 am…)

No. I don’t think we need abortion bans at any point. It’s a medical procedure. Regulate it like any other medical procedure and then bow out.

Exactly.
The Hippocratic oath takes care of it.
If we want abortions happening before 15 weeks, they need to be easily accessible and low cost.

[Anonymous]

Pro-lifers are never going to stop with a 15 week ban. I’d be shocked if that’s what the Court rules.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pro-lifers are never going to stop with a 15 week ban. I’d be shocked if that’s what the Court rules.

They already didn’t because the Texas ban is six weeks.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pro-lifers are never going to stop with a 15 week ban. I’d be shocked if that’s what the Court rules.

They already didn’t because the Texas ban is six weeks.

They are also moving against IVF
And birth control
No control over your reproductive health.
No exceptions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pro-lifers are never going to stop with a 15 week ban. I’d be shocked if that’s what the Court rules.

They already didn’t because the Texas ban is six weeks.

They are also moving against IVF
And birth control
No control over your reproductive health.
No exceptions.

This.

Then it moves to what women are allowed to do. Drink? Nope. Might be pregnant? Medication? Suffer be-otch! You might be pregnant and that embryo might be pregnant.

The enslavement of women is coming.

[Anonymous]

The Oklahoma legislature just passed a bill making performing abortion illegal.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/05/okla-lawmakers-approve-bill-make-performing-an-abortion-illegal/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Oklahoma legislature just passed a bill making performing abortion illegal.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/05/okla-lawmakers-approve-bill-make-performing-an-abortion-illegal/

They want women to die. OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Nine people in DC charged with civil rights violations. If convicted they each face eleven years in prison. Of the nine, only one could possibly have a viable uterus.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/feds-charged-blocking-dc-reproductive-health-clinic-837684

That link doesn’t work for me so here’s a better one. https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/crime/anti-abortion-protesters-indicted-on-felony-charge-for-blocking-dc-clinic-lauren-handy-william-goodman-jonathan-darnell/65-1f6cd1f5-f5f9-4a05-a640-b0df577f19bd

I think the only woman in the above civil rights case with a functioning uterus kept her own aborted fetuses at home. DC Police did a search warrant on her home and found remains of five preborn children. Was she getting pregnant just so she could abort them? Wow what a nut. She proves how hypocritical the violently pro life group is.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/anti-abortion-activist-fetuses

So are they hers or someone elses? If they are hers, are you allowed to keep your aborted fetuses?

Lauren Handy's anti-abortion group now claims it took 115 fetuses from outside DC clinic
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/anti-abortion-activists-claim-they-took-115-fetuses-from-outside-a-dc-clinic-lauren-handy-progressive-anti-abortion-uprsing-surgi-clinic/65-bd49467d-939c-476b-b3c1-bf6120ec453e