Johnny Depp trial in Fairfax County

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Anonymous wrote:I watched most of the trial. All I can say is that the jury saw Amber caught in a couple of rather large lies (sending photo to TMZ, not having her Kate Miss story right, strangely date stamped photos, among others). When a jury sees a person lie, they have no idea what is true and what is not. So they disbelieved all of it. I think they both enagaged in abuse. How much? How often? What kind? Hard to tell. But the jury found Amber to be not credible and that did her in. I did not expect her to lose all three statements, but she did it to herself.

As for the statement Johnny lost, evidence of the second call was blocked from them.

Why do you think the Kate Moss story was a lie? She could easily heard a rumor that Kate Moss was pushed down the stairs and believed it. You probably have rumors in your head now that you believe, that are actually incorrect.

The rumor that Johnny Depp pushed Kate Moss down the stairs dates back to the mid-90s - I remember hearing it in high school. It was ridiculous for Depp to claim Heard invented the rumor to smear him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Add this to another awful thing about Va and NoVa. Racist, misogynist state that is a backward hell hole.

yes, bad luck for Amber Heard that the servers for WaPo are located in NoVa. What states do you think she would have won in?

DP. In California the lawsuit likely would have been thrown out on an early motion to dismiss because California has a strong anti-SLAPP statute. Virginia’s is a joke and can only be asserted as a defense, not as ground for dismissal, which is why JD filed suit here. His legal team knew it would never survive in California.

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Anonymous wrote:I watched most of the trial. All I can say is that the jury saw Amber caught in a couple of rather large lies (sending photo to TMZ, not having her Kate Miss story right, strangely date stamped photos, among others). When a jury sees a person lie, they have no idea what is true and what is not. So they disbelieved all of it. I think they both enagaged in abuse. How much? How often? What kind? Hard to tell. But the jury found Amber to be not credible and that did her in. I did not expect her to lose all three statements, but she did it to herself.

As for the statement Johnny lost, evidence of the second call was blocked from them.

Why do you think the Kate Moss story was a lie? She could easily heard a rumor that Kate Moss was pushed down the stairs and believed it. You probably have rumors in your head now that you believe, that are actually incorrect.

The rumor that Johnny Depp pushed Kate Moss down the stairs dates back to the mid-90s - I remember hearing it in high school. It was ridiculous for Depp to claim Heard invented the rumor to smear him.

That statement wasn’t why AH was being sued. Kate Moss coming in played an entirely different purpose: to show an ex-girlfriend, who definitely didn’t need her “15 minutes of fame” coming to JD’s defense to say he didn’t abuse her. That itself is powerful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I watched most of the trial. All I can say is that the jury saw Amber caught in a couple of rather large lies (sending photo to TMZ, not having her Kate Miss story right, strangely date stamped photos, among others). When a jury sees a person lie, they have no idea what is true and what is not. So they disbelieved all of it. I think they both enagaged in abuse. How much? How often? What kind? Hard to tell. But the jury found Amber to be not credible and that did her in. I did not expect her to lose all three statements, but she did it to herself.

As for the statement Johnny lost, evidence of the second call was blocked from them.

Why do you think the Kate Moss story was a lie? She could easily heard a rumor that Kate Moss was pushed down the stairs and believed it. You probably have rumors in your head now that you believe, that are actually incorrect.

The rumor that Johnny Depp pushed Kate Moss down the stairs dates back to the mid-90s - I remember hearing it in high school. It was ridiculous for Depp to claim Heard invented the rumor to smear him.

That statement wasn’t why AH was being sued. Kate Moss coming in played an entirely different purpose: to show an ex-girlfriend, who definitely didn’t need her “15 minutes of fame” coming to JD’s defense to say he didn’t abuse her. That itself is powerful.

Amber Heard repeating the rumor in court is what opened the door to Kate Moss testifying. Allowing her to testify on that flimsy a basis was a very questionable call by the judge, however, because Heard wasn’t testifying that it was a fact that Depp pushed Moss down the stairs, she testified that she remembered hearing the story (as did lots of us), and it informed her reaction to Depp charging at her sister near the top of the stairs. Whether the rumor was true wasn’t relevant to the issue presented. The judge probably felt that the rumor was prejudicial, and seemingly did not consider how Moss’s testimony would be improperly prejudicial to Heard in that context.

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Allowing her to testify on that flimsy a basis was a very questionable call by the judge, however, because Heard wasn’t testifying that it was a fact that Depp pushed Moss down the stairs, she testified that she remembered hearing the story (as did lots of us), and it informed her reaction to Depp charging at her sister near the top of the stairs.

So she obviously used that gossip to gain something. On the surface it "justifies" her reaction, but it also leads the jury to think and "remember" that years ago he actually abused his partner Kate Moss as well.
So glad it didn't work!

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Anonymous wrote:I was thinking that the AH supporters are MAGA - because they love to support an abuser, no matter gender, and better the underdog, for whatever effed up reasons from your childhood traumas.

Maga is misogynistic and supports Depp. Far right republicans are celebrating his “win.” I’m not sure anyone is supporting AH the way Depp’s loser fans support him. People simply recognize this is a bad verdict for victims.

It's a good verdict for male victims.

It’s not. This verdict will make all abuse victims less likely to come forward, including men (who already face stigma). All abuse victims fear being disbelieved and vilified, for good reason. This trial has been a perfect distillation of that. There are few perfect victims. Amber Heard certainly isn’t perfect, and look how she was destroyed. But Depp did abuse her— there were witnesses, and not just her friends. Depp himself confessed to it in his texts. The plane incident alone constitutes abuse. But because Heard is deeply flawed and guilty of many of her own transgressions, Depp has somehow been exonerated?

If you were a man who had been abused, why would you risk this happening to you?

This verdict is terrible for abuse victims.

Or you could stop trying to paint a very individual situation as some huge social statement. But something tells me you are utterly incapable of that sort of nuance. The fact is here in liberal northern Virginia, a jury found for Depp. You mown about Amber being an imperfect victim without for one second considering that Depp is the imperfect victim. Because your bias can’t honestly understand a male victim in this scenario. But if you reverse gender in those recordings of her taunting and gaslighting him and telling him he’s a baby for thinking she punched him when she only hit him, telling him no one is going to believe him if he states he was abused, there wouldn’t even be a question. You need to check your bias badly.

But she is a woman. Most men a much stronger physically. Most. Maybe when she said “hit” versus “punch” she really did mean two different things. You can’t tell me that all physical contacts are the same. It may have made zero physical impact on him. But maybe it’s your brain that can’t have two guilty parties with differing grey areas of guilt simultaneously

Here we go again with the woman/man thing. Are we supposed to give her the benefit of doubt because she's a woman and condemn him as soon as the allegations are logged just because he's a man? Was her hitting him is really not that significant because she's a woman and he's a much physically stronger man?

In certain cases, yes! In a trial with this amount of publicity, it changes societal norms! A different case, with a smaller or weaker woman, against a Dwayne the rock johnson sized person, for example, in farfax county, for example, and in other states where future jurors have watched this verdict, will now be looking at the legal precedent of this case. A mouse hitting a gorilla is not the same as a gorilla hitting a gorilla. People who insist there is absolutely no difference between men and women are going way too far.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I watched most of the trial. All I can say is that the jury saw Amber caught in a couple of rather large lies (sending photo to TMZ, not having her Kate Miss story right, strangely date stamped photos, among others). When a jury sees a person lie, they have no idea what is true and what is not. So they disbelieved all of it. I think they both enagaged in abuse. How much? How often? What kind? Hard to tell. But the jury found Amber to be not credible and that did her in. I did not expect her to lose all three statements, but she did it to herself.

As for the statement Johnny lost, evidence of the second call was blocked from them.

Why do you think the Kate Moss story was a lie? She could easily heard a rumor that Kate Moss was pushed down the stairs and believed it. You probably have rumors in your head now that you believe, that are actually incorrect.

The rumor that Johnny Depp pushed Kate Moss down the stairs dates back to the mid-90s - I remember hearing it in high school. It was ridiculous for Depp to claim Heard invented the rumor to smear him.

That statement wasn’t why AH was being sued. Kate Moss coming in played an entirely different purpose: to show an ex-girlfriend, who definitely didn’t need her “15 minutes of fame” coming to JD’s defense to say he didn’t abuse her. That itself is powerful.

Why on earth do people put any weight on behavior of an individual long long ago? People and their behaviors change significantly, especially that long ago! Clearly there were reasons he has not been married for 35 years to someone!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I watched most of the trial. All I can say is that the jury saw Amber caught in a couple of rather large lies (sending photo to TMZ, not having her Kate Miss story right, strangely date stamped photos, among others). When a jury sees a person lie, they have no idea what is true and what is not. So they disbelieved all of it. I think they both enagaged in abuse. How much? How often? What kind? Hard to tell. But the jury found Amber to be not credible and that did her in. I did not expect her to lose all three statements, but she did it to herself.

As for the statement Johnny lost, evidence of the second call was blocked from them.

Why do you think the Kate Moss story was a lie? She could easily heard a rumor that Kate Moss was pushed down the stairs and believed it. You probably have rumors in your head now that you believe, that are actually incorrect.

The rumor that Johnny Depp pushed Kate Moss down the stairs dates back to the mid-90s - I remember hearing it in high school. It was ridiculous for Depp to claim Heard invented the rumor to smear him.

That statement wasn’t why AH was being sued. Kate Moss coming in played an entirely different purpose: to show an ex-girlfriend, who definitely didn’t need her “15 minutes of fame” coming to JD’s defense to say he didn’t abuse her. That itself is powerful.

Why on earth do people put any weight on behavior of an individual long long ago? People and their behaviors change significantly, especially that long ago! Clearly there were reasons he has not been married for 35 years to someone!

All of JD’s former partners stand by him (and Erin Baskins testimony was just that he threw something, not that he hit her). That’s the point. Someone doesn’t just change in a new relationship

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Anonymous wrote:I was thinking that the AH supporters are MAGA - because they love to support an abuser, no matter gender, and better the underdog, for whatever effed up reasons from your childhood traumas.

Maga is misogynistic and supports Depp. Far right republicans are celebrating his “win.” I’m not sure anyone is supporting AH the way Depp’s loser fans support him. People simply recognize this is a bad verdict for victims.

It's a good verdict for male victims.

It’s not. This verdict will make all abuse victims less likely to come forward, including men (who already face stigma). All abuse victims fear being disbelieved and vilified, for good reason. This trial has been a perfect distillation of that. There are few perfect victims. Amber Heard certainly isn’t perfect, and look how she was destroyed. But Depp did abuse her— there were witnesses, and not just her friends. Depp himself confessed to it in his texts. The plane incident alone constitutes abuse. But because Heard is deeply flawed and guilty of many of her own transgressions, Depp has somehow been exonerated?

If you were a man who had been abused, why would you risk this happening to you?

This verdict is terrible for abuse victims.

Or you could stop trying to paint a very individual situation as some huge social statement. But something tells me you are utterly incapable of that sort of nuance. The fact is here in liberal northern Virginia, a jury found for Depp. You mown about Amber being an imperfect victim without for one second considering that Depp is the imperfect victim. Because your bias can’t honestly understand a male victim in this scenario. But if you reverse gender in those recordings of her taunting and gaslighting him and telling him he’s a baby for thinking she punched him when she only hit him, telling him no one is going to believe him if he states he was abused, there wouldn’t even be a question. You need to check your bias badly.

But she is a woman. Most men a much stronger physically. Most. Maybe when she said “hit” versus “punch” she really did mean two different things. You can’t tell me that all physical contacts are the same. It may have made zero physical impact on him. But maybe it’s your brain that can’t have two guilty parties with differing grey areas of guilt simultaneously

Here we go again with the woman/man thing. Are we supposed to give her the benefit of doubt because she's a woman and condemn him as soon as the allegations are logged just because he's a man? Was her hitting him is really not that significant because she's a woman and he's a much physically stronger man?

In certain cases, yes! In a trial with this amount of publicity, it changes societal norms! A different case, with a smaller or weaker woman, against a Dwayne the rock johnson sized person, for example, in farfax county, for example, and in other states where future jurors have watched this verdict, will now be looking at the legal precedent of this case. A mouse hitting a gorilla is not the same as a gorilla hitting a gorilla. People who insist there is absolutely no difference between men and women are going way too far.

In earlier thread, AH supporters were adamant that they support her not because she's a woman but a victim of abuse. Now you're saying she's a woman so whatever she had done to him is insignificant because she's weaker? How about you just look at this case only? Amber is no mouse and Johnny is no gorilla. Are you suggesting that jurors need to worry about how their verdict will set a precedent on other cases pitting a weak woman against bigger man? Besides physical abuse, there is also emotional abuse, so don't tell me women are also weaker in this area.

And anyway, this case wasn't about abuse in general but the sexual/physical violence she claimed she had suffered by him. She just hasn't provided evidence for the jurors to believe her claim. You might say that it's bad to expect victim to come up with irrefutable proof of their abuse in order to be believed, but AH was caught lying about so many things (TMZ as an example) so jurors can't just give her the benefit of doubt when she claim something and can't provide a proof for it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I watched most of the trial. All I can say is that the jury saw Amber caught in a couple of rather large lies (sending photo to TMZ, not having her Kate Miss story right, strangely date stamped photos, among others). When a jury sees a person lie, they have no idea what is true and what is not. So they disbelieved all of it. I think they both enagaged in abuse. How much? How often? What kind? Hard to tell. But the jury found Amber to be not credible and that did her in. I did not expect her to lose all three statements, but she did it to herself.

As for the statement Johnny lost, evidence of the second call was blocked from them.

Why do you think the Kate Moss story was a lie? She could easily heard a rumor that Kate Moss was pushed down the stairs and believed it. You probably have rumors in your head now that you believe, that are actually incorrect.

The rumor that Johnny Depp pushed Kate Moss down the stairs dates back to the mid-90s - I remember hearing it in high school. It was ridiculous for Depp to claim Heard invented the rumor to smear him.

That statement wasn’t why AH was being sued. Kate Moss coming in played an entirely different purpose: to show an ex-girlfriend, who definitely didn’t need her “15 minutes of fame” coming to JD’s defense to say he didn’t abuse her. That itself is powerful.

Why on earth do people put any weight on behavior of an individual long long ago? People and their behaviors change significantly, especially that long ago! Clearly there were reasons he has not been married for 35 years to someone!

Following your train of thought, the same can be asked about AH believing a rumor about an event that happened 30 years ago. Why would that event come into her mind at the top of that staircase? After all, the rumor was 30 years old and as you said, people change. She was banking on the fact that people will believe that an individual's behavior doesn't change throughout their lifetime.

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lol

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Anonymous wrote:I was thinking that the AH supporters are MAGA - because they love to support an abuser, no matter gender, and better the underdog, for whatever effed up reasons from your childhood traumas.

Maga is misogynistic and supports Depp. Far right republicans are celebrating his “win.” I’m not sure anyone is supporting AH the way Depp’s loser fans support him. People simply recognize this is a bad verdict for victims.

It's a good verdict for male victims.

It’s not. This verdict will make all abuse victims less likely to come forward, including men (who already face stigma). All abuse victims fear being disbelieved and vilified, for good reason. This trial has been a perfect distillation of that. There are few perfect victims. Amber Heard certainly isn’t perfect, and look how she was destroyed. But Depp did abuse her— there were witnesses, and not just her friends. Depp himself confessed to it in his texts. The plane incident alone constitutes abuse. But because Heard is deeply flawed and guilty of many of her own transgressions, Depp has somehow been exonerated?

If you were a man who had been abused, why would you risk this happening to you?

This verdict is terrible for abuse victims.

She wrote demonstrably false things about Depp. That’s why he won his case.

This. And thought that because of the Me-Too movement that no one would call her out on it. She made a bet and she lost. She lost big time. Before I didn't really think anything of her at all - neither good nor bad - and now I think that she is 1) Miss Crazy Pants, and 2) a complete liar. Those are my two take-aways from the whole trial.

And no new opinions of Johnny Depp? How are people completely glossing over his behavior like mass amnesia?

Not PP but before the trial I thought JD was a scummy and probably abusive actor with a drug problem so no, the trial didn’t really alter my opinion of him. Like PP, I had no particular opinion of AH but I now think she’s a gaslighter and extremely unpleasant.

I am the PP you both are responding to, and I completely agree with you, PP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was thinking that the AH supporters are MAGA - because they love to support an abuser, no matter gender, and better the underdog, for whatever effed up reasons from your childhood traumas.

Maga is misogynistic and supports Depp. Far right republicans are celebrating his “win.” I’m not sure anyone is supporting AH the way Depp’s loser fans support him. People simply recognize this is a bad verdict for victims.

It's a good verdict for male victims.

It’s not. This verdict will make all abuse victims less likely to come forward, including men (who already face stigma). All abuse victims fear being disbelieved and vilified, for good reason. This trial has been a perfect distillation of that. There are few perfect victims. Amber Heard certainly isn’t perfect, and look how she was destroyed. But Depp did abuse her— there were witnesses, and not just her friends. Depp himself confessed to it in his texts. The plane incident alone constitutes abuse. But because Heard is deeply flawed and guilty of many of her own transgressions, Depp has somehow been exonerated?

If you were a man who had been abused, why would you risk this happening to you?

This verdict is terrible for abuse victims.

She wrote demonstrably false things about Depp. That’s why he won his case.

This. And thought that because of the Me-Too movement that no one would call her out on it. She made a bet and she lost. She lost big time. Before I didn't really think anything of her at all - neither good nor bad - and now I think that she is 1) Miss Crazy Pants, and 2) a complete liar. Those are my two take-aways from the whole trial.

And no new opinions of Johnny Depp? How are people completely glossing over his behavior like mass amnesia?

Not PP but before the trial I thought JD was a scummy and probably abusive actor with a drug problem so no, the trial didn’t really alter my opinion of him. Like PP, I had no particular opinion of AH but I now think she’s a gaslighter and extremely unpleasant.

I am the PP you both are responding to, and I completely agree with you, PP.

I also agree, though my opinion of Depp is even worse than before.

[Anonymous]

Heard’s lawyer Elaine is doing the morning tv show rounds trying to make this all about how they’ve let down other women and the metoo movement. She also admitted Heard is unable to pay the judgement. I wonder if she is working for Heard pro bono for her 15 minutes of fame that has turned into a nightmare.

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Anonymous wrote:Heard’s lawyer Elaine is doing the morning tv show rounds trying to make this all about how they’ve let down other women and the metoo movement. She also admitted Heard is unable to pay the judgement. I wonder if she is working for Heard pro bono for her 15 minutes of fame that has turned into a nightmare.

I would think Elaine would want to walk away from this all as soon as possible given how inept it made her and her team look.