Johnny Depp trial in Fairfax County

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Anonymous wrote:Heard’s lawyer Elaine is doing the morning tv show rounds trying to make this all about how they’ve let down other women and the metoo movement. She also admitted Heard is unable to pay the judgement. I wonder if she is working for Heard pro bono for her 15 minutes of fame that has turned into a nightmare.

I agree with her.

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You have to love the casual misogyny of people referring to Ben Rottenborn as “Rottenborn” and Elaine Charlson Bredehoft as “Elaine.”

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I'm so conflicted on this, and admittedly didn't watch much but read a lot about this trial. So I was essentially always seeing an interpretation and not for myself. I just don't think there are any good actors here. I don't disagree that men can be abuse victims, and I don't automatically side with women. But in this case, they are both toxic, abusive people. She's as bad as he is with the bad and humiliating behavior. She gave as good as she got, and he gave as good as he got. In the DV world, that's called mutual combat abuse, and while it's abusive in terms of its being violent, there's no "victim." It's both. They both had power over each other in that relationship; it's not (in my opinion) at all one sided that's the hallmark of domestic violence. I see no primary aggressor. At various times they were equal aggressors. And she seems to have objectively lied her a$$ off. If there's a disservice to domestic violence victims, it was done by her in my opinion.

But at the end of the day, my opinion doesn't matter. It's just my opinion.

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For all of you who think the verdict was "wrong," do you not agree that the Jury was perhaps in the best position to weigh the evidence and the credibility of the parties? Do you not agree that the jurors were free to disbelieve AH after her credibility was impeached multiple times? Or do you think all of the jurors are biased, misogynistic Depp fans who are unable to recognize domestic violence or understand the law?

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Anonymous wrote:You have to love the casual misogyny of people referring to Ben Rottenborn as “Rottenborn” and Elaine Charlson Bredehoft as “Elaine.”

To some extent, we've started referring to everyone by their last name, in the spirit of countering misogyny. But that basically erases a person's gender (sex) - which doesn't seem to be an overall improvement.

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Anonymous wrote:I watched most of the trial. All I can say is that the jury saw Amber caught in a couple of rather large lies (sending photo to TMZ, not having her Kate Miss story right, strangely date stamped photos, among others). When a jury sees a person lie, they have no idea what is true and what is not. So they disbelieved all of it. I think they both enagaged in abuse. How much? How often? What kind? Hard to tell. But the jury found Amber to be not credible and that did her in. I did not expect her to lose all three statements, but she did it to herself.

As for the statement Johnny lost, evidence of the second call was blocked from them.

Why do you think the Kate Moss story was a lie? She could easily heard a rumor that Kate Moss was pushed down the stairs and believed it. You probably have rumors in your head now that you believe, that are actually incorrect.

The rumor that Johnny Depp pushed Kate Moss down the stairs dates back to the mid-90s - I remember hearing it in high school. It was ridiculous for Depp to claim Heard invented the rumor to smear him.

That statement wasn’t why AH was being sued. Kate Moss coming in played an entirely different purpose: to show an ex-girlfriend, who definitely didn’t need her “15 minutes of fame” coming to JD’s defense to say he didn’t abuse her. That itself is powerful.

Why on earth do people put any weight on behavior of an individual long long ago? People and their behaviors change significantly, especially that long ago! Clearly there were reasons he has not been married for 35 years to someone!

All of JD’s former partners stand by him (and Erin Baskins testimony was just that he threw something, not that he hit her). That’s the point. Someone doesn’t just change in a new relationship

Not true. As drug and alcohol problems get worse and addicts get older, they can become violent. Depp looks like he’s hitting the later stages of his disease. He’s really bloated.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm so conflicted on this, and admittedly didn't watch much but read a lot about this trial. So I was essentially always seeing an interpretation and not for myself. I just don't think there are any good actors here. I don't disagree that men can be abuse victims, and I don't automatically side with women. But in this case, they are both toxic, abusive people. She's as bad as he is with the bad and humiliating behavior. She gave as good as she got, and he gave as good as he got. In the DV world, that's called mutual combat abuse, and while it's abusive in terms of its being violent, there's no "victim." It's both. They both had power over each other in that relationship; it's not (in my opinion) at all one sided that's the hallmark of domestic violence. I see no primary aggressor. At various times they were equal aggressors. And she seems to have objectively lied her a$$ off. If there's a disservice to domestic violence victims, it was done by her in my opinion.

But at the end of the day, my opinion doesn't matter. It's just my opinion.

PP again. I also don't think this trial will have any lingering effect on "mainstream" domestic violence allegations or the overall believability of survivors. This trial was oozing in financial privilege for them both to call out every expert to throw their ridiculously privileged lifestyles and efforts at manipulating each other into focus. The standard of proof for defamation is so much higher for public figures so they went for it and had to to meet that threshold. The average DV survivor won't have the WaPo at their disposal so it's not even applicable in terms of other DV survivors "coming out and speaking their truth." This level of coming out simply doesn't happen to 99.99% of the population, so it's apples and oranges.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm so conflicted on this, and admittedly didn't watch much but read a lot about this trial. So I was essentially always seeing an interpretation and not for myself. I just don't think there are any good actors here. I don't disagree that men can be abuse victims, and I don't automatically side with women. But in this case, they are both toxic, abusive people. She's as bad as he is with the bad and humiliating behavior. She gave as good as she got, and he gave as good as he got. In the DV world, that's called mutual combat abuse, and while it's abusive in terms of its being violent, there's no "victim." It's both. They both had power over each other in that relationship; it's not (in my opinion) at all one sided that's the hallmark of domestic violence. I see no primary aggressor. At various times they were equal aggressors. And she seems to have objectively lied her a$$ off. If there's a disservice to domestic violence victims, it was done by her in my opinion.

But at the end of the day, my opinion doesn't matter. It's just my opinion.

There was a recording where she admits to starting "physical fights." If you believe that she "objectively lied her a$$ off," as you stated, it's probably not too great of a stretch for the jurors to believe that she was lying about him physically abusing her, too.

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Anonymous wrote:I watched most of the trial. All I can say is that the jury saw Amber caught in a couple of rather large lies (sending photo to TMZ, not having her Kate Miss story right, strangely date stamped photos, among others). When a jury sees a person lie, they have no idea what is true and what is not. So they disbelieved all of it. I think they both enagaged in abuse. How much? How often? What kind? Hard to tell. But the jury found Amber to be not credible and that did her in. I did not expect her to lose all three statements, but she did it to herself.

As for the statement Johnny lost, evidence of the second call was blocked from them.

Why do you think the Kate Moss story was a lie? She could easily heard a rumor that Kate Moss was pushed down the stairs and believed it. You probably have rumors in your head now that you believe, that are actually incorrect.

The rumor that Johnny Depp pushed Kate Moss down the stairs dates back to the mid-90s - I remember hearing it in high school. It was ridiculous for Depp to claim Heard invented the rumor to smear him.

That statement wasn’t why AH was being sued. Kate Moss coming in played an entirely different purpose: to show an ex-girlfriend, who definitely didn’t need her “15 minutes of fame” coming to JD’s defense to say he didn’t abuse her. That itself is powerful.

Why on earth do people put any weight on behavior of an individual long long ago? People and their behaviors change significantly, especially that long ago! Clearly there were reasons he has not been married for 35 years to someone!

All of JD’s former partners stand by him (and Erin Baskins testimony was just that he threw something, not that he hit her). That’s the point. Someone doesn’t just change in a new relationship

Not true. As drug and alcohol problems get worse and addicts get older, they can become violent. Depp looks like he’s hitting the later stages of his disease. He’s really bloated.

Just about everyone gets "bloated" in middle age. Other terms are "spread" or just old-fashioned weight gain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm so conflicted on this, and admittedly didn't watch much but read a lot about this trial. So I was essentially always seeing an interpretation and not for myself. I just don't think there are any good actors here. I don't disagree that men can be abuse victims, and I don't automatically side with women. But in this case, they are both toxic, abusive people. She's as bad as he is with the bad and humiliating behavior. She gave as good as she got, and he gave as good as he got. In the DV world, that's called mutual combat abuse, and while it's abusive in terms of its being violent, there's no "victim." It's both. They both had power over each other in that relationship; it's not (in my opinion) at all one sided that's the hallmark of domestic violence. I see no primary aggressor. At various times they were equal aggressors. And she seems to have objectively lied her a$$ off. If there's a disservice to domestic violence victims, it was done by her in my opinion.

But at the end of the day, my opinion doesn't matter. It's just my opinion.

But she’s largely walked away from him and he had continued to do everything he can to pursue her and wreck her life and career. He’s a psycho.

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Anonymous wrote:I watched most of the trial. All I can say is that the jury saw Amber caught in a couple of rather large lies (sending photo to TMZ, not having her Kate Miss story right, strangely date stamped photos, among others). When a jury sees a person lie, they have no idea what is true and what is not. So they disbelieved all of it. I think they both enagaged in abuse. How much? How often? What kind? Hard to tell. But the jury found Amber to be not credible and that did her in. I did not expect her to lose all three statements, but she did it to herself.

As for the statement Johnny lost, evidence of the second call was blocked from them.

Why do you think the Kate Moss story was a lie? She could easily heard a rumor that Kate Moss was pushed down the stairs and believed it. You probably have rumors in your head now that you believe, that are actually incorrect.

The rumor that Johnny Depp pushed Kate Moss down the stairs dates back to the mid-90s - I remember hearing it in high school. It was ridiculous for Depp to claim Heard invented the rumor to smear him.

That statement wasn’t why AH was being sued. Kate Moss coming in played an entirely different purpose: to show an ex-girlfriend, who definitely didn’t need her “15 minutes of fame” coming to JD’s defense to say he didn’t abuse her. That itself is powerful.

Why on earth do people put any weight on behavior of an individual long long ago? People and their behaviors change significantly, especially that long ago! Clearly there were reasons he has not been married for 35 years to someone!

All of JD’s former partners stand by him (and Erin Baskins testimony was just that he threw something, not that he hit her). That’s the point. Someone doesn’t just change in a new relationship

Not true. As drug and alcohol problems get worse and addicts get older, they can become violent. Depp looks like he’s hitting the later stages of his disease. He’s really bloated.

Just about everyone gets "bloated" in middle age. Other terms are "spread" or just old-fashioned weight gain.

Not like that. And if professional actors with access to doctors. He’s got problems.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm so conflicted on this, and admittedly didn't watch much but read a lot about this trial. So I was essentially always seeing an interpretation and not for myself. I just don't think there are any good actors here. I don't disagree that men can be abuse victims, and I don't automatically side with women. But in this case, they are both toxic, abusive people. She's as bad as he is with the bad and humiliating behavior. She gave as good as she got, and he gave as good as he got. In the DV world, that's called mutual combat abuse, and while it's abusive in terms of its being violent, there's no "victim." It's both. They both had power over each other in that relationship; it's not (in my opinion) at all one sided that's the hallmark of domestic violence. I see no primary aggressor. At various times they were equal aggressors. And she seems to have objectively lied her a$$ off. If there's a disservice to domestic violence victims, it was done by her in my opinion.

But at the end of the day, my opinion doesn't matter. It's just my opinion.

But she’s largely walked away from him and he had continued to do everything he can to pursue her and wreck her life and career. He’s a psycho.

Walked away from? You mean writing an oped about abuse that she couldn’t prove occurred years after their divorce and settlement was finalized?

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Anonymous wrote:Heard’s lawyer Elaine is doing the morning tv show rounds trying to make this all about how they’ve let down other women and the metoo movement. She also admitted Heard is unable to pay the judgement. I wonder if she is working for Heard pro bono for her 15 minutes of fame that has turned into a nightmare.

I agree with her.

She also makes the assertion that the jury was influenced by tiktok and is blaming memes and social media. Hope she has proof the jury didn’t listen to instructions.

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Anonymous wrote:You have to love the casual misogyny of people referring to Ben Rottenborn as “Rottenborn” and Elaine Charlson Bredehoft as “Elaine.”

After introducing her they keep referring to her as Elaine in the interviews. Never Ms. Bredehoft. Chill.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm so conflicted on this, and admittedly didn't watch much but read a lot about this trial. So I was essentially always seeing an interpretation and not for myself. I just don't think there are any good actors here. I don't disagree that men can be abuse victims, and I don't automatically side with women. But in this case, they are both toxic, abusive people. She's as bad as he is with the bad and humiliating behavior. She gave as good as she got, and he gave as good as he got. In the DV world, that's called mutual combat abuse, and while it's abusive in terms of its being violent, there's no "victim." It's both. They both had power over each other in that relationship; it's not (in my opinion) at all one sided that's the hallmark of domestic violence. I see no primary aggressor. At various times they were equal aggressors. And she seems to have objectively lied her a$$ off. If there's a disservice to domestic violence victims, it was done by her in my opinion.

But at the end of the day, my opinion doesn't matter. It's just my opinion.

But she’s largely walked away from him and he had continued to do everything he can to pursue her and wreck her life and career. He’s a psycho.

Ha!!!! Yeah, no.