School residency cheaters investigated

[Anonymous]

So yeah, you should be alarmed if your child is regularly being shuttled from school to a house in Maryland. People are pissed off at the blatant fraud that is commonplace at some schools and that has gotten the attention of this click-bait website. Perhaps you should express your frustration to your councilmember, who might be able to get some answers out of OSSE, because "all that's required" is not enough to keep people from cheating the system.

Again: raise of hands/posts of DCUM posters shut out of the schools mentioned in the article: Ludlow Taylor, Eagle Academy, KIPP, JO Wilson?

Hello? Anyone?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

So yeah, you should be alarmed if your child is regularly being shuttled from school to a house in Maryland. People are pissed off at the blatant fraud that is commonplace at some schools and that has gotten the attention of this click-bait website. Perhaps you should express your frustration to your councilmember, who might be able to get some answers out of OSSE, because "all that's required" is not enough to keep people from cheating the system.

Again: raise of hands/posts of DCUM posters shut out of the schools mentioned in the article: Ludlow Taylor, Eagle Academy, KIPP, JO Wilson?

Hello? Anyone?

I get your point, but does it matter? We're still paying for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:After reading trough a lot of this I feel most posters can be put into three groups

1- black people who feel that not running some of the district's poor black kids through ringer who don't have stable lives to begin with is a priority even if it lets in some opportunistic cheats from PG who bank on blending in.

2- white people who are not the least bit sympathetic that increasing the rigors on residency documentation would hit both the poor and ward 9 because they think the issue is "black and white" about DC resources

3- the Dutch

"Isn't a priority"

And maybe there are some people who simply believe that it being a parent involves some relatively minor inconveniences, like having to organize a small amount of paperwork, and perhaps take a small amount of time off from work, to have the government pay for your child entire education while also taking real steps to prevent fraud that is draining DC's financial resources. Maybe there are people who do not believe that this is overly burdensome on children, or that parents even need to alert their children to the fact that they are assembling this a documentation. DC losing money due to the fraud of Maryland residents. If the family is a recipient of services that are subject to fraud, like parents of kids in DC schools, then those parents should reasonably expect to need to participate actively and antifraud measures. Locating and assembling documents is just not that big of a deal and does not need to disrupt and already fragile existence as you seem to imply. The parents simply gather the materials and submit them. How much do you think we could improve the experience of DC student, my lower in class size, improving facilities, or providing better learning materials, with the savings from identifying fraud? Are we really OK throwing all of that money away because families don't want to fill out paperwork and find forms? Or maybe even take time off from work one day?

[Anonymous]

Why don't parents report the parents who are cheating? Why would you let it go that half the damn class is from maryland? I don't understand. I mean, I'd be more inclined to let it go if the kid was under privileged, but the handful of people I suspect are cheating are able to do so because they are rich and own more than one property.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

So yeah, you should be alarmed if your child is regularly being shuttled from school to a house in Maryland. People are pissed off at the blatant fraud that is commonplace at some schools and that has gotten the attention of this click-bait website. Perhaps you should express your frustration to your councilmember, who might be able to get some answers out of OSSE, because "all that's required" is not enough to keep people from cheating the system.

Again: raise of hands/posts of DCUM posters shut out of the schools mentioned in the article: Ludlow Taylor, Eagle Academy, KIPP, JO Wilson?

Hello? Anyone?

We live on the Hill. Our waitlist number for LT is, currently, in the 60s. Last year we did not make it below the 130s for LT. We were also shut out of JO.

[Anonymous]

I think several people (or one sock puppet?) need to look up the definitions of stalking and harassment. Taking someone's picture on a city street, following their car to see where they live, looking up information about them on public databases or facebook ... not staking or harassment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:After reading trough a lot of this I feel most posters can be put into three groups

1- black people who feel that not running some of the district's poor black kids through ringer who don't have stable lives to begin with is a priority even if it lets in some opportunistic cheats from PG who bank on blending in.

2- white people who are not the least bit sympathetic that increasing the rigors on residency documentation would hit both the poor and ward 9 because they think the issue is "black and white" about DC resources

3- the Dutch

"Isn't a priority"

And maybe there are some people who simply believe that it being a parent involves some relatively minor inconveniences, like having to organize a small amount of paperwork, and perhaps take a small amount of time off from work, to have the government pay for your child entire education while also taking real steps to prevent fraud that is draining DC's financial resources. Maybe there are people who do not believe that this is overly burdensome on children, or that parents even need to alert their children to the fact that they are assembling this a documentation. DC losing money due to the fraud of Maryland residents. If the family is a recipient of services that are subject to fraud, like parents of kids in DC schools, then those parents should reasonably expect to need to participate actively and antifraud measures. Locating and assembling documents is just not that big of a deal and does not need to disrupt and already fragile existence as you seem to imply. The parents simply gather the materials and submit them. How much do you think we could improve the experience of DC student, my lower in class size, improving facilities, or providing better learning materials, with the savings from identifying fraud? Are we really OK throwing all of that money away because families don't want to fill out paperwork and find forms? Or maybe even take time off from work one day?

So, really? How do you know they didn't? And if you think that they didn't, did you know there's a way to report them and launch an investigation? A hotline and an online form you can submit: http://osse.dc.gov/service/investigation-and-residency-fraud. I mean, if it's that much of a concern to you, then "take time off work one day" to pursue the case and submit the information to investigators.

My primary concern is the quality of the education at my child's school. I don't think it's impacted much by residency fraud and I could not care less about chasing down families at ours or any other school. Damn sure don't have the time. In fact, I support every kid at my kid's school in spirit and dollars and hope every day that every parent there does the same. I hope the teachers are supported and feel supported. I hope the principal gives her all - HER ALL - to making sure that every child enrolled feels part of a community and capable of achieving their best. I expect the school administrators have done their duty to ensure residency and would be mad as hell if they also had to devote time to questioning people about their addresses during drop off.

That is not their fucking job.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:After reading trough a lot of this I feel most posters can be put into three groups

1- black people who feel that not running some of the district's poor black kids through ringer who don't have stable lives to begin with is a priority even if it lets in some opportunistic cheats from PG who bank on blending in.

2- white people who are not the least bit sympathetic that increasing the rigors on residency documentation would hit both the poor and ward 9 because they think the issue is "black and white" about DC resources

3- the Dutch

"Isn't a priority"

And maybe there are some people who simply believe that it being a parent involves some relatively minor inconveniences, like having to organize a small amount of paperwork, and perhaps take a small amount of time off from work, to have the government pay for your child entire education while also taking real steps to prevent fraud that is draining DC's financial resources. Maybe there are people who do not believe that this is overly burdensome on children, or that parents even need to alert their children to the fact that they are assembling this a documentation. DC losing money due to the fraud of Maryland residents. If the family is a recipient of services that are subject to fraud, like parents of kids in DC schools, then those parents should reasonably expect to need to participate actively and antifraud measures. Locating and assembling documents is just not that big of a deal and does not need to disrupt and already fragile existence as you seem to imply. The parents simply gather the materials and submit them. How much do you think we could improve the experience of DC student, my lower in class size, improving facilities, or providing better learning materials, with the savings from identifying fraud? Are we really OK throwing all of that money away because families don't want to fill out paperwork and find forms? Or maybe even take time off from work one day?

So, really? How do you know they didn't? And if you think that they didn't, did you know there's a way to report them and launch an investigation? A hotline and an online form you can submit: http://osse.dc.gov/service/investigation-and-residency-fraud. I mean, if it's that much of a concern to you, then "take time off work one day" to pursue the case and submit the information to investigators.

My primary concern is the quality of the education at my child's school. I don't think it's impacted much by residency fraud and I could not care less about chasing down families at ours or any other school. Damn sure don't have the time. In fact, I support every kid at my kid's school in spirit and dollars and hope every day that every parent there does the same. I hope the teachers are supported and feel supported. I hope the principal gives her all - HER ALL - to making sure that every child enrolled feels part of a community and capable of achieving their best. I expect the school administrators have done their duty to ensure residency and would be mad as hell if they also had to devote time to questioning people about their addresses during drop off.

That is not their fucking job.

You are being wholly nonsensical. How does any of that have to do with DC requiring adherence to residency documentation requirements, as well as follow up, of course not by teachers, if fraud is suspected? Not chasing parents in carpool lines, not photographing children, no hyper drama needed. Just boring, thoughtful anti-fraud measures. It's not that complicated. DC just wants to look the other way. And while I'm glad you want your daughter to have a great school, you are not the only person funding the DC school system. Lots of us don't even have kids in the system and are paying. Why should I pay for a Maryland resident to attend school just because her parents cheated, got her into your kids school through fraud, and you like her? You are essentially saying that DC taxpayers should simply throw money at Maryland residents because Maryland hasn't figured out it's school system adequately. Because you like your daughter's classmates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

So yeah, you should be alarmed if your child is regularly being shuttled from school to a house in Maryland. People are pissed off at the blatant fraud that is commonplace at some schools and that has gotten the attention of this click-bait website. Perhaps you should express your frustration to your councilmember, who might be able to get some answers out of OSSE, because "all that's required" is not enough to keep people from cheating the system.

Again: raise of hands/posts of DCUM posters shut out of the schools mentioned in the article: Ludlow Taylor, Eagle Academy, KIPP, JO Wilson?

Hello? Anyone?

The article said that KIPP had a waiting list of hundreds of students, which I believe is true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why don't parents report the parents who are cheating? Why would you let it go that half the damn class is from maryland? I don't understand. I mean, I'd be more inclined to let it go if the kid was under privileged, but the handful of people I suspect are cheating are able to do so because they are rich and own more than one property.

My DC attended a school (that hasn't been mentioned in the series yet) that I believe has a number of MD residents. I knew this for a fact with some of the students. The kids were nice but we never reported because the administration knew and didnt seem to care. Looking at the number of tips that are deemed unfounded by the OSSE, I suspect the attitude goes all the way to the top. Btw, the most under privileged kids in his class (and yes, I knew who they were) lived in DC

[Anonymous]

You are an idiot and obviously have no understanding of American history. Go take a seat somewhere and let the adults finish their conversation uninterrupted.

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The problem with removing rental and utility bills is that it would likely prevent undocumented immigrant children from getting an education and they are a vulnerable population. I am not sure how many of DC's undocumented immigrant population would be able to get government benefits sufficient to prove their residence.

Then these undocumented citizens should take it up with the people in escalades and infinitis that have ruined it for the rest of the class, literally. Anything people can abuse should be taken away.

I cannot think of any jurisdiction in the united states that has documentation procedures in place that would prevent undocumented immigrants. The debate is that if they are here, you want to integrate them and not create a perpetual underclass of non-citizens like in some European countries. Also studies show that early intervention preschool is the best way to create productive members of society through learning soft skills such as eye-contact, negotiating, showing up on time, and following directions.

Really, universal preschool should expand funding so that society/parents are not fighting over the crumbs of taxes leftover for the next generation.

http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2011/06/13/137109349/the-friday-podcast-the-case-for-preschool

Honest question, what is wrong with a perpetual underclass? Not like we don't have one now with a couple of different levels. All people are not created equal and lord knows all adults aren't. Who do you want to pick our strawberries, fight our wars voluntarily and serve us food? Document the exaisting underclasses and give them a hard but consistent road out and sit back and enjoy a disproportionate amount of resources. Not only is it the American way but by posting here it is a strong indication that you are enjoying the fruits of the system that you decry. The only real variable is if we are honest about it and if we honor the way out once they put in the work. But without a path a revolt is likely.

[Anonymous]

I can do. Clear as day.

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The problem with removing rental and utility bills is that it would likely prevent undocumented immigrant children from getting an education and they are a vulnerable population. I am not sure how many of DC's undocumented immigrant population would be able to get government benefits sufficient to prove their residence.

Then these undocumented citizens should take it up with the people in escalades and infinitis that have ruined it for the rest of the class, literally. Anything people can abuse should be taken away.

I cannot think of any jurisdiction in the united states that has documentation procedures in place that would prevent undocumented immigrants. The debate is that if they are here, you want to integrate them and not create a perpetual underclass of non-citizens like in some European countries. Also studies show that early intervention preschool is the best way to create productive members of society through learning soft skills such as eye-contact, negotiating, showing up on time, and following directions.

Really, universal preschool should expand funding so that society/parents are not fighting over the crumbs of taxes leftover for the next generation.

http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2011/06/13/137109349/the-friday-podcast-the-case-for-preschool

Universal preschool and pre-K are great, but why should DC taxpayers shell out to provide free pre-K to children from Prince George's county? This is especially the case when PG has underinvested in education while spending profligately on stupid projects like casinos and when fraudsters from MD basically cheat DC kids out of scarce spots.

Why not take your argument one step further and ask why waste the spots on black kids who parents don't pay much if any taxes all while 1/2 of those kids aren't going ever finish school anyway only to end up in jail. Come on I can almost read it between your lines racist

[Anonymous]

I know that I found residency verification to be a pain in the ass. I signed all the forms to allow for an in-home verification! Next time around, can we just schedule THAT please? Just show up at my house, you can see my child's books and legos on the floor.

Oh my god! I have so much proof that my child lives here that it's embarrassing. I can't get rid of it. View proof of her picky eating behaviors in the weird stuff in our kitchen cabinets, or prescription medication from her doctor, and the hair still stuck in the hairbrush, nevermind the markings on the walls, how about the ignored toys under the stairs out back? And, then please leave us the hell alone. She's been at your school for five full years and I even served on your Parent Association.

Jesus, be a force to protect us from these crazy over-zealous freaks who think everyone who pays their utility bill online (and doesn't keep two months of copies lying around) isn't a resident cheat. The boredom in your lives astounds me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why don't parents report the parents who are cheating? Why would you let it go that half the damn class is from maryland? I don't understand. I mean, I'd be more inclined to let it go if the kid was under privileged, but the handful of people I suspect are cheating are able to do so because they are rich and own more than one property.

Because the poster is lying. If you have seen the PK3 classes at LT you would know that half of the class isn't 50% AA. It is more like 30%. The PKs at LT are overwhelming white and in-boundary families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
You are an idiot and obviously have no understanding of American history. Go take a seat somewhere and let the adults finish their conversation uninterrupted.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The problem with removing rental and utility bills is that it would likely prevent undocumented immigrant children from getting an education and they are a vulnerable population. I am not sure how many of DC's undocumented immigrant population would be able to get government benefits sufficient to prove their residence.

Then these undocumented citizens should take it up with the people in escalades and infinitis that have ruined it for the rest of the class, literally. Anything people can abuse should be taken away.

I cannot think of any jurisdiction in the united states that has documentation procedures in place that would prevent undocumented immigrants. The debate is that if they are here, you want to integrate them and not create a perpetual underclass of non-citizens like in some European countries. Also studies show that early intervention preschool is the best way to create productive members of society through learning soft skills such as eye-contact, negotiating, showing up on time, and following directions.

Really, universal preschool should expand funding so that society/parents are not fighting over the crumbs of taxes leftover for the next generation.

http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2011/06/13/137109349/the-friday-podcast-the-case-for-preschool

Honest question, what is wrong with a perpetual underclass? Not like we don't have one now with a couple of different levels. All people are not created equal and lord knows all adults aren't. Who do you want to pick our strawberries, fight our wars voluntarily and serve us food? Document the exaisting underclasses and give them a hard but consistent road out and sit back and enjoy a disproportionate amount of resources. Not only is it the American way but by posting here it is a strong indication that you are enjoying the fruits of the system that you decry. The only real variable is if we are honest about it and if we honor the way out once they put in the work. But without a path a revolt is likely.

And you keep enjoying your IPhone and two cars while pretending you actually want merit based equality even though you're clearly below average intelligence. Life is about winners and losers and part of being a winner is setting the rules and sitting back and watching the uninitiated scramble to play fair and their descendants look for apologies. After all nobody really goes to see the Washington Generals show.