Camp Mystic reopening for summer 2026

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Anonymous wrote:I watched some of the hearings. The investigator did a good job laying out the timeline and being mostly unbiased in her approach to the presentation and hearing. I send my kids to a camp here on the East Coast. It has a creek nearby. I've never once asked about flooding, and emergency plan, etc. I think the Camp Mystic tragedy has brought camp safety to national attention and that is good.

I don't think the Eastlands are monsters, but, by their own admission they did not have an evacuation plan (other than something maybe that existed only in Dick Eastland's head), and the culture created by Dick Eastland where he is the "boss" held other adults back from helping or even questioning his decisionmaking. Communication between the cabins and leadership was also lacking since no walkie talkies were kept in the cabins. Lack of a written out evacation plan and lack of communication devices contributed to the death of these campers, IMO. I would not send a kid to a camp they are operating.

I personally think if they had waited a year to announce reopening (and hired new operators to oversee day to day camp administration) there might not have been the same outcry.

They were encouraged by the families who want to return to reopen. The very people that one or two people are obsessing over. A lot of people wrote them letters begging them. It's all very weird, but no my circus and not my ponies and I think its doubtful any of this will even happen.

So what??

If 27 people eat at a restaurant and die of food poisoning, and 100 people write a letter to the chef "begging him to stay open," does that mean that the health board does not have an obligation to investigate and, finding criminal negligence, close the place down?

No one is saying that those things shouldn't happen to the camp.

That’s what the returning families think, eagerly handing over their kids and money to the same people responsible for last summer’s tragedy.

So what? It's not actually their call whether this happens or not.

Soooo, that’s what we are discussing. How bizarre it is that the families can’t see this. Hope that helps!

The families don't read this board. They do their own thing. it's actually funny that people here are crapping their pants that they have no say or control over this situation.

We aren’t talking to the families, nor do we think the read this thread. We are having a discussion.

Mad that these families don't think like you isn't much of a discussion. The ball is in the camp's court now to see if they can resubmit their application and get their license renewed. it doesn't look likely.

The only person mad is you. This is just what we do - we discuss things like this. It’s been like this since the website began.

And here we are discussing. We don't have to agree though. We can keep posting and disagreeing.

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Anonymous wrote:I watched some of the hearings. The investigator did a good job laying out the timeline and being mostly unbiased in her approach to the presentation and hearing. I send my kids to a camp here on the East Coast. It has a creek nearby. I've never once asked about flooding, and emergency plan, etc. I think the Camp Mystic tragedy has brought camp safety to national attention and that is good.

I don't think the Eastlands are monsters, but, by their own admission they did not have an evacuation plan (other than something maybe that existed only in Dick Eastland's head), and the culture created by Dick Eastland where he is the "boss" held other adults back from helping or even questioning his decisionmaking. Communication between the cabins and leadership was also lacking since no walkie talkies were kept in the cabins. Lack of a written out evacation plan and lack of communication devices contributed to the death of these campers, IMO. I would not send a kid to a camp they are operating.

I personally think if they had waited a year to announce reopening (and hired new operators to oversee day to day camp administration) there might not have been the same outcry.

They were encouraged by the families who want to return to reopen. The very people that one or two people are obsessing over. A lot of people wrote them letters begging them. It's all very weird, but no my circus and not my ponies and I think its doubtful any of this will even happen.

So what??

If 27 people eat at a restaurant and die of food poisoning, and 100 people write a letter to the chef "begging him to stay open," does that mean that the health board does not have an obligation to investigate and, finding criminal negligence, close the place down?

No one is saying that those things shouldn't happen to the camp.

That’s what the returning families think, eagerly handing over their kids and money to the same people responsible for last summer’s tragedy.

If the camp us open, they can decide for themselves if they want to send their kids there. They don't need ignorant busybodies from VA to tell them what to do.

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This is the only truth.

We are a free economy. If people choose not to buy the experience they close. If people think the risk is worth it, it doesn’t close. Not rocket science - and they will not get my money.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I watched some of the hearings. The investigator did a good job laying out the timeline and being mostly unbiased in her approach to the presentation and hearing. I send my kids to a camp here on the East Coast. It has a creek nearby. I've never once asked about flooding, and emergency plan, etc. I think the Camp Mystic tragedy has brought camp safety to national attention and that is good.

I don't think the Eastlands are monsters, but, by their own admission they did not have an evacuation plan (other than something maybe that existed only in Dick Eastland's head), and the culture created by Dick Eastland where he is the "boss" held other adults back from helping or even questioning his decisionmaking. Communication between the cabins and leadership was also lacking since no walkie talkies were kept in the cabins. Lack of a written out evacation plan and lack of communication devices contributed to the death of these campers, IMO. I would not send a kid to a camp they are operating.

I personally think if they had waited a year to announce reopening (and hired new operators to oversee day to day camp administration) there might not have been the same outcry.

They were encouraged by the families who want to return to reopen. The very people that one or two people are obsessing over. A lot of people wrote them letters begging them. It's all very weird, but no my circus and not my ponies and I think its doubtful any of this will even happen.

So what??

If 27 people eat at a restaurant and die of food poisoning, and 100 people write a letter to the chef "begging him to stay open," does that mean that the health board does not have an obligation to investigate and, finding criminal negligence, close the place down?

If a private school's or daycare center's actions or inactions resulted in 27 children's deaths, they would be shut down immediately in most, if not all states.

If a 100year flood wiped away the building - it would be a different outcome than you think. The question would be should that daycare be allowed to reopen in a safer zone - and the answer might be yes

Did this supposed school also ask FEMA to approve appeals, removing buildings from a high-risk hazard zone, which would allow for expansion in a flood-prone area? Was this school also lacking an evacuation plan?

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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I watched some of the hearings. The investigator did a good job laying out the timeline and being mostly unbiased in her approach to the presentation and hearing. I send my kids to a camp here on the East Coast. It has a creek nearby. I've never once asked about flooding, and emergency plan, etc. I think the Camp Mystic tragedy has brought camp safety to national attention and that is good.

I don't think the Eastlands are monsters, but, by their own admission they did not have an evacuation plan (other than something maybe that existed only in Dick Eastland's head), and the culture created by Dick Eastland where he is the "boss" held other adults back from helping or even questioning his decisionmaking. Communication between the cabins and leadership was also lacking since no walkie talkies were kept in the cabins. Lack of a written out evacation plan and lack of communication devices contributed to the death of these campers, IMO. I would not send a kid to a camp they are operating.

I personally think if they had waited a year to announce reopening (and hired new operators to oversee day to day camp administration) there might not have been the same outcry.
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[b]They were encouraged by the families who want to return to reopen. The very people that one or two people are obsessing over. A lot of people wrote them letters begging them.[/b] It's all very weird, but no my circus and not my ponies and I think its doubtful any of this will even happen.[/quote]

So what??

If 27 people eat at a restaurant and die of food poisoning, and 100 people write a letter to the chef "begging him to stay open," does that mean that the health board does not have an obligation to investigate and, finding criminal negligence, close the place down?[/quote]

If a private school's or daycare center's actions or inactions resulted in 27 children's deaths, they would be shut down immediately in most, if not all states. [/quote]

If a 100year flood wiped away the building - it would be a different outcome than you think. The question would be should that daycare be allowed to reopen in a safer zone - and the answer might be yes[/quote]

That isn’t what happened. “Nothing could have been done!” is a total lie. Safety was an easy 45 second walk away. There was plenty of time to walk up to the rec hall. All the Eastlands had to do was yell campers to walk up the hill. Campers were ordered to stay put and they drowned.

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Anonymous wrote:I think if the shrieking harpy in here actually knew the families who send their kids to this camp they would rethink their very vocal stance. These extremely wealthy, right wing religious families don't spend a second of their day worrying about random elderly women in Virginia or thereabouts. Their kids will just go to another camp if it doesn't work out.

You’re dead wrong! We knew several children at that camp in that flood. One was a friend of my daughter’s a classmate. Their families care very much about others. These are not right wing people at all. Some are slightly right of center, some slightly left - none on the wings - ZERO! And they all care about others. Many families are still grieving, including mine. You should have compassion, especially as you are making assumptions about the compassion of others.

Be honest. The camp took a serious religious turn recently. These people are my friends, neighbors, and my kid's classmates.

They’re religious- true. It’s always been a religious camp. Are you saying religious people don’t deserve compassion if their children die? Are you saying religious people all had right political affiliations that don’t align with yours, therefore they don’t deserve compassion?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I watched some of the hearings. The investigator did a good job laying out the timeline and being mostly unbiased in her approach to the presentation and hearing. I send my kids to a camp here on the East Coast. It has a creek nearby. I've never once asked about flooding, and emergency plan, etc. I think the Camp Mystic tragedy has brought camp safety to national attention and that is good.

I don't think the Eastlands are monsters, but, by their own admission they did not have an evacuation plan (other than something maybe that existed only in Dick Eastland's head), and the culture created by Dick Eastland where he is the "boss" held other adults back from helping or even questioning his decisionmaking. Communication between the cabins and leadership was also lacking since no walkie talkies were kept in the cabins. Lack of a written out evacation plan and lack of communication devices contributed to the death of these campers, IMO. I would not send a kid to a camp they are operating.

I personally think if they had waited a year to announce reopening (and hired new operators to oversee day to day camp administration) there might not have been the same outcry.

They were encouraged by the families who want to return to reopen. The very people that one or two people are obsessing over. A lot of people wrote them letters begging them. It's all very weird, but no my circus and not my ponies and I think its doubtful any of this will even happen.

So what??

If 27 people eat at a restaurant and die of food poisoning, and 100 people write a letter to the chef "begging him to stay open," does that mean that the health board does not have an obligation to investigate and, finding criminal negligence, close the place down?

If a private school's or daycare center's actions or inactions resulted in 27 children's deaths, they would be shut down immediately in most, if not all states.

If a 100year flood wiped away the building - it would be a different outcome than you think. The question would be should that daycare be allowed to reopen in a safer zone - and the answer might be yes

That isn’t what happened. “Nothing could have been done!” is a total lie. Safety was an easy 45 second walk away. There was plenty of time to walk up to the rec hall. All the Eastlands had to do was yell campers to walk up the hill. Campers were ordered to stay put and they drowned.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I watched some of the hearings. The investigator did a good job laying out the timeline and being mostly unbiased in her approach to the presentation and hearing. I send my kids to a camp here on the East Coast. It has a creek nearby. I've never once asked about flooding, and emergency plan, etc. I think the Camp Mystic tragedy has brought camp safety to national attention and that is good.

I don't think the Eastlands are monsters, but, by their own admission they did not have an evacuation plan (other than something maybe that existed only in Dick Eastland's head), and the culture created by Dick Eastland where he is the "boss" held other adults back from helping or even questioning his decisionmaking. Communication between the cabins and leadership was also lacking since no walkie talkies were kept in the cabins. Lack of a written out evacation plan and lack of communication devices contributed to the death of these campers, IMO. I would not send a kid to a camp they are operating.

I personally think if they had waited a year to announce reopening (and hired new operators to oversee day to day camp administration) there might not have been the same outcry.

They were encouraged by the families who want to return to reopen. The very people that one or two people are obsessing over. A lot of people wrote them letters begging them. It's all very weird, but no my circus and not my ponies and I think its doubtful any of this will even happen.

So what??

If 27 people eat at a restaurant and die of food poisoning, and 100 people write a letter to the chef "begging him to stay open," does that mean that the health board does not have an obligation to investigate and, finding criminal negligence, close the place down?

If a private school's or daycare center's actions or inactions resulted in 27 children's deaths, they would be shut down immediately in most, if not all states.

If a 100year flood wiped away the building - it would be a different outcome than you think. The question would be should that daycare be allowed to reopen in a safer zone - and the answer might be yes

Not true if they had no evacuation plan and left kids to die.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I watched some of the hearings. The investigator did a good job laying out the timeline and being mostly unbiased in her approach to the presentation and hearing. I send my kids to a camp here on the East Coast. It has a creek nearby. I've never once asked about flooding, and emergency plan, etc. I think the Camp Mystic tragedy has brought camp safety to national attention and that is good.

I don't think the Eastlands are monsters, but, by their own admission they did not have an evacuation plan (other than something maybe that existed only in Dick Eastland's head), and the culture created by Dick Eastland where he is the "boss" held other adults back from helping or even questioning his decisionmaking. Communication between the cabins and leadership was also lacking since no walkie talkies were kept in the cabins. Lack of a written out evacation plan and lack of communication devices contributed to the death of these campers, IMO. I would not send a kid to a camp they are operating.

I personally think if they had waited a year to announce reopening (and hired new operators to oversee day to day camp administration) there might not have been the same outcry.

They were encouraged by the families who want to return to reopen. The very people that one or two people are obsessing over. A lot of people wrote them letters begging them. It's all very weird, but no my circus and not my ponies and I think its doubtful any of this will even happen.

So what??

If 27 people eat at a restaurant and die of food poisoning, and 100 people write a letter to the chef "begging him to stay open," does that mean that the health board does not have an obligation to investigate and, finding criminal negligence, close the place down?

If a private school's or daycare center's actions or inactions resulted in 27 children's deaths, they would be shut down immediately in most, if not all states.

If a 100year flood wiped away the building - it would be a different outcome than you think. The question would be should that daycare be allowed to reopen in a safer zone - and the answer might be yes

That isn’t what happened. “Nothing could have been done!” is a total lie. Safety was an easy 45 second walk away. There was plenty of time to walk up to the rec hall. All the Eastlands had to do was yell campers to walk up the hill. Campers were ordered to stay put and they drowned.

+1 Plus, they had petitioned to have those unsafe cabins removed from.flood plain designation to save insurance money.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think if the shrieking harpy in here actually knew the families who send their kids to this camp they would rethink their very vocal stance. These extremely wealthy, right wing religious families don't spend a second of their day worrying about random elderly women in Virginia or thereabouts. Their kids will just go to another camp if it doesn't work out.

You’re dead wrong! We knew several children at that camp in that flood. One was a friend of my daughter’s a classmate. Their families care very much about others. These are not right wing people at all. Some are slightly right of center, some slightly left - none on the wings - ZERO! And they all care about others. Many families are still grieving, including mine. You should have compassion, especially as you are making assumptions about the compassion of others.

Be honest. The camp took a serious religious turn recently. These people are my friends, neighbors, and my kid's classmates.

They’re religious- true. It’s always been a religious camp. Are you saying religious people don’t deserve compassion if their children die? Are you saying religious people all had right political affiliations that don’t align with yours, therefore they don’t deserve compassion?

I'm saying their religion is a huge reason why they want to return to camp and that's why people here are struggling to understand their motivation. They have completely different world views. The returning campers aren't asking for anything from the people here, certainly not their compassion. I know returning campers and I certainly don't question them or discuss it with them. We are not the same, but it's their decision to make.

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Anonymous wrote:I watched some of the hearings. The investigator did a good job laying out the timeline and being mostly unbiased in her approach to the presentation and hearing. I send my kids to a camp here on the East Coast. It has a creek nearby. I've never once asked about flooding, and emergency plan, etc. I think the Camp Mystic tragedy has brought camp safety to national attention and that is good.

I don't think the Eastlands are monsters, but, by their own admission they did not have an evacuation plan (other than something maybe that existed only in Dick Eastland's head), and the culture created by Dick Eastland where he is the "boss" held other adults back from helping or even questioning his decisionmaking. Communication between the cabins and leadership was also lacking since no walkie talkies were kept in the cabins. Lack of a written out evacation plan and lack of communication devices contributed to the death of these campers, IMO. I would not send a kid to a camp they are operating.

I personally think if they had waited a year to announce reopening (and hired new operators to oversee day to day camp administration) there might not have been the same outcry.

They were encouraged by the families who want to return to reopen. The very people that one or two people are obsessing over. A lot of people wrote them letters begging them. It's all very weird, but no my circus and not my ponies and I think its doubtful any of this will even happen.

So what??

If 27 people eat at a restaurant and die of food poisoning, and 100 people write a letter to the chef "begging him to stay open," does that mean that the health board does not have an obligation to investigate and, finding criminal negligence, close the place down?

No one is saying that those things shouldn't happen to the camp.

That’s what the returning families think, eagerly handing over their kids and money to the same people responsible for last summer’s tragedy.

If the camp us open, they can decide for themselves if they want to send their kids there. They don't need ignorant busybodies from VA to tell them what to do.

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This is the only truth.

We are a free economy. If people choose not to buy the experience they close. If people think the risk is worth it, it doesn’t close. Not rocket science - and they will not get my money.

This is false. We regulate all sorts of things for the safety of children and everyone else. Fire codes, car safety inspections, building codes, driving laws, boating laws. There is a reason camps require licenses. This camp violated their prior license and also violated the law not reporting the deaths. They also submitted the same inadequate info for the new license! They should not be allowed to open. Not this year. Not ever.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think if the shrieking harpy in here actually knew the families who send their kids to this camp they would rethink their very vocal stance. These extremely wealthy, right wing religious families don't spend a second of their day worrying about random elderly women in Virginia or thereabouts. Their kids will just go to another camp if it doesn't work out.

You’re dead wrong! We knew several children at that camp in that flood. One was a friend of my daughter’s a classmate. Their families care very much about others. These are not right wing people at all. Some are slightly right of center, some slightly left - none on the wings - ZERO! And they all care about others. Many families are still grieving, including mine. You should have compassion, especially as you are making assumptions about the compassion of others.

Be honest. The camp took a serious religious turn recently. These people are my friends, neighbors, and my kid's classmates.

They’re religious- true. It’s always been a religious camp. Are you saying religious people don’t deserve compassion if their children die? Are you saying religious people all had right political affiliations that don’t align with yours, therefore they don’t deserve compassion?

I'm saying their religion is a huge reason why they want to return to camp and that's why people here are struggling to understand their motivation. They have completely different world views. The returning campers aren't asking for anything from the people here, certainly not their compassion. I know returning campers and I certainly don't question them or discuss it with them. We are not the same, but it's their decision to make.

You keep bringing this up. We are not trying to discuss it with them. We are discussing it amongst ourselves. It is a bizarre, real-world case study in people acting adverse to their own interests.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I watched some of the hearings. The investigator did a good job laying out the timeline and being mostly unbiased in her approach to the presentation and hearing. I send my kids to a camp here on the East Coast. It has a creek nearby. I've never once asked about flooding, and emergency plan, etc. I think the Camp Mystic tragedy has brought camp safety to national attention and that is good.

I don't think the Eastlands are monsters, but, by their own admission they did not have an evacuation plan (other than something maybe that existed only in Dick Eastland's head), and the culture created by Dick Eastland where he is the "boss" held other adults back from helping or even questioning his decisionmaking. Communication between the cabins and leadership was also lacking since no walkie talkies were kept in the cabins. Lack of a written out evacation plan and lack of communication devices contributed to the death of these campers, IMO. I would not send a kid to a camp they are operating.

I personally think if they had waited a year to announce reopening (and hired new operators to oversee day to day camp administration) there might not have been the same outcry.

They were encouraged by the families who want to return to reopen. The very people that one or two people are obsessing over. A lot of people wrote them letters begging them. It's all very weird, but no my circus and not my ponies and I think its doubtful any of this will even happen.

So what??

If 27 people eat at a restaurant and die of food poisoning, and 100 people write a letter to the chef "begging him to stay open," does that mean that the health board does not have an obligation to investigate and, finding criminal negligence, close the place down?

No one is saying that those things shouldn't happen to the camp.

That’s what the returning families think, eagerly handing over their kids and money to the same people responsible for last summer’s tragedy.

So what? It's not actually their call whether this happens or not.

Soooo, that’s what we are discussing. How bizarre it is that the families can’t see this. Hope that helps!

The families don't read this board. They do their own thing. it's actually funny that people here are crapping their pants that they have no say or control over this situation.

We aren’t talking to the families, nor do we think the read this thread. We are having a discussion.

Mad that these families don't think like you isn't much of a discussion. The ball is in the camp's court now to see if they can resubmit their application and get their license renewed. it doesn't look likely.

The only person mad is you. This is just what we do - we discuss things like this. It’s been like this since the website began.

And here we are discussing. We don't have to agree though. We can keep posting and disagreeing.

Your saying to “stop discussing it!!!” is not what a discussion is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think if the shrieking harpy in here actually knew the families who send their kids to this camp they would rethink their very vocal stance. These extremely wealthy, right wing religious families don't spend a second of their day worrying about random elderly women in Virginia or thereabouts. Their kids will just go to another camp if it doesn't work out.

You’re dead wrong! We knew several children at that camp in that flood. One was a friend of my daughter’s a classmate. Their families care very much about others. These are not right wing people at all. Some are slightly right of center, some slightly left - none on the wings - ZERO! And they all care about others. Many families are still grieving, including mine. You should have compassion, especially as you are making assumptions about the compassion of others.

Be honest. The camp took a serious religious turn recently. These people are my friends, neighbors, and my kid's classmates.

They’re religious- true. It’s always been a religious camp. Are you saying religious people don’t deserve compassion if their children die? Are you saying religious people all had right political affiliations that don’t align with yours, therefore they don’t deserve compassion?

I'm saying their religion is a huge reason why they want to return to camp and that's why people here are struggling to understand their motivation. They have completely different world views. The returning campers aren't asking for anything from the people here, certainly not their compassion. I know returning campers and I certainly don't question them or discuss it with them. We are not the same, but it's their decision to make.

You keep bringing this up. We are not trying to discuss it with them. We are discussing it amongst ourselves. It is a bizarre, real-world case study in people acting adverse to their own interests.

But you are talking about real people that some of us know. Imagine that you knew these people. People are complex.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I watched some of the hearings. The investigator did a good job laying out the timeline and being mostly unbiased in her approach to the presentation and hearing. I send my kids to a camp here on the East Coast. It has a creek nearby. I've never once asked about flooding, and emergency plan, etc. I think the Camp Mystic tragedy has brought camp safety to national attention and that is good.

I don't think the Eastlands are monsters, but, by their own admission they did not have an evacuation plan (other than something maybe that existed only in Dick Eastland's head), and the culture created by Dick Eastland where he is the "boss" held other adults back from helping or even questioning his decisionmaking. Communication between the cabins and leadership was also lacking since no walkie talkies were kept in the cabins. Lack of a written out evacation plan and lack of communication devices contributed to the death of these campers, IMO. I would not send a kid to a camp they are operating.

I personally think if they had waited a year to announce reopening (and hired new operators to oversee day to day camp administration) there might not have been the same outcry.

They were encouraged by the families who want to return to reopen. The very people that one or two people are obsessing over. A lot of people wrote them letters begging them. It's all very weird, but no my circus and not my ponies and I think its doubtful any of this will even happen.

So what??

If 27 people eat at a restaurant and die of food poisoning, and 100 people write a letter to the chef "begging him to stay open," does that mean that the health board does not have an obligation to investigate and, finding criminal negligence, close the place down?

No one is saying that those things shouldn't happen to the camp.

That’s what the returning families think, eagerly handing over their kids and money to the same people responsible for last summer’s tragedy.

So what? It's not actually their call whether this happens or not.

Soooo, that’s what we are discussing. How bizarre it is that the families can’t see this. Hope that helps!

The families don't read this board. They do their own thing. it's actually funny that people here are crapping their pants that they have no say or control over this situation.

We aren’t talking to the families, nor do we think the read this thread. We are having a discussion.

Mad that these families don't think like you isn't much of a discussion. The ball is in the camp's court now to see if they can resubmit their application and get their license renewed. it doesn't look likely.

The only person mad is you. This is just what we do - we discuss things like this. It’s been like this since the website began.

And here we are discussing. We don't have to agree though. We can keep posting and disagreeing.

Your saying to “stop discussing it!!!” is not what a discussion is.

Talking about what a discussion board is or isn't is hardy discussing the topic. You could stay on topic but you don't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think if the shrieking harpy in here actually knew the families who send their kids to this camp they would rethink their very vocal stance. These extremely wealthy, right wing religious families don't spend a second of their day worrying about random elderly women in Virginia or thereabouts. Their kids will just go to another camp if it doesn't work out.

You’re dead wrong! We knew several children at that camp in that flood. One was a friend of my daughter’s a classmate. Their families care very much about others. These are not right wing people at all. Some are slightly right of center, some slightly left - none on the wings - ZERO! And they all care about others. Many families are still grieving, including mine. You should have compassion, especially as you are making assumptions about the compassion of others.

Be honest. The camp took a serious religious turn recently. These people are my friends, neighbors, and my kid's classmates.

They’re religious- true. It’s always been a religious camp. Are you saying religious people don’t deserve compassion if their children die? Are you saying religious people all had right political affiliations that don’t align with yours, therefore they don’t deserve compassion?

I'm saying their religion is a huge reason why they want to return to camp and that's why people here are struggling to understand their motivation. They have completely different world views. The returning campers aren't asking for anything from the people here, certainly not their compassion. I know returning campers and I certainly don't question them or discuss it with them. We are not the same, but it's their decision to make.

You keep bringing this up. We are not trying to discuss it with them. We are discussing it amongst ourselves. It is a bizarre, real-world case study in people acting adverse to their own interests.

But you are talking about real people that some of us know. Imagine that you knew these people. People are complex.

So why not stop reading if it’s so upsetting to you? Another interesting case study in bizarre behavior!