Camp Mystic reopening for summer 2026

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Anonymous wrote:I think if the shrieking harpy in here actually knew the families who send their kids to this camp they would rethink their very vocal stance. These extremely wealthy, right wing religious families don't spend a second of their day worrying about random elderly women in Virginia or thereabouts. Their kids will just go to another camp if it doesn't work out.

You’re dead wrong! We knew several children at that camp in that flood. One was a friend of my daughter’s a classmate. Their families care very much about others. These are not right wing people at all. Some are slightly right of center, some slightly left - none on the wings - ZERO! And they all care about others. Many families are still grieving, including mine. You should have compassion, especially as you are making assumptions about the compassion of others.

Be honest. The camp took a serious religious turn recently. These people are my friends, neighbors, and my kid's classmates.

They’re religious- true. It’s always been a religious camp. Are you saying religious people don’t deserve compassion if their children die? Are you saying religious people all had right political affiliations that don’t align with yours, therefore they don’t deserve compassion?

I'm saying their religion is a huge reason why they want to return to camp and that's why people here are struggling to understand their motivation. They have completely different world views. The returning campers aren't asking for anything from the people here, certainly not their compassion. I know returning campers and I certainly don't question them or discuss it with them. We are not the same, but it's their decision to make.

You keep bringing this up. We are not trying to discuss it with them. We are discussing it amongst ourselves. It is a bizarre, real-world case study in people acting adverse to their own interests.

Again with the ignorance and hubris. You don't have all of the facts. You don't know them. You have not experienced what they went through. You don't know their motivations. Stop judging them and MYOFB.

So funny. Those of us questioning the parents decisions to send their daughters to that camp clearly have more of the facts than you or they do.

No, you don't have more facts than the families who were actually there, FFS. You're mental.

The camp could have allowed the girls to walk 60 for 60 seconds up a hill and they would have lived. Instead they made them stay in their cabins and they died. I don’t need to “be there” to understand that this level of failure is criminal and has nothing to do with the river and everything to do with terrible risk assessment. No one should trust them with children ever again. It’s so painfully obvious to everyone not in the cult.

In hindsight yes, but at the time it was dark and they opted to shelter in place which in many occurrences is the right thing to do. But now everyone's an armchair quarterback. What if in trying to escape they had been swept away in the current?

The Eastlands themselves were out walking around the grounds hours before the flash flood hit, worried about their canoes and other equipment. I think it's safe to assume that if they had alerted the girls in the cabins at that time, they could have made it to safety in just a few minutes.

Hindsight is 20/20.

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So much venom spewed by clueless gossips.

A few posters like you here are attempting to defend the camp owners' incompetence that was noted by candid starements made by Texas lawmakers and attorneys. Even the Eastlands admitted their mistakes.

Liar. I have not defended the camp owners at all. Just calling out the grotesque attacks on the grieving families. Leave them alone.

The families that want to return are defending the Eastlands. Maybe you missed that part. They think the Eastlands did nothing wrong and the girls could not have been saved.

Are some of these families those who had girls attending last summer?

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Anonymous wrote:I think if the shrieking harpy in here actually knew the families who send their kids to this camp they would rethink their very vocal stance. These extremely wealthy, right wing religious families don't spend a second of their day worrying about random elderly women in Virginia or thereabouts. Their kids will just go to another camp if it doesn't work out.

You’re dead wrong! We knew several children at that camp in that flood. One was a friend of my daughter’s a classmate. Their families care very much about others. These are not right wing people at all. Some are slightly right of center, some slightly left - none on the wings - ZERO! And they all care about others. Many families are still grieving, including mine. You should have compassion, especially as you are making assumptions about the compassion of others.

Be honest. The camp took a serious religious turn recently. These people are my friends, neighbors, and my kid's classmates.

They’re religious- true. It’s always been a religious camp. Are you saying religious people don’t deserve compassion if their children die? Are you saying religious people all had right political affiliations that don’t align with yours, therefore they don’t deserve compassion?

I'm saying their religion is a huge reason why they want to return to camp and that's why people here are struggling to understand their motivation. They have completely different world views. The returning campers aren't asking for anything from the people here, certainly not their compassion. I know returning campers and I certainly don't question them or discuss it with them. We are not the same, but it's their decision to make.

You keep bringing this up. We are not trying to discuss it with them. We are discussing it amongst ourselves. It is a bizarre, real-world case study in people acting adverse to their own interests.

Again with the ignorance and hubris. You don't have all of the facts. You don't know them. You have not experienced what they went through. You don't know their motivations. Stop judging them and MYOFB.

So funny. Those of us questioning the parents decisions to send their daughters to that camp clearly have more of the facts than you or they do.

No, you don't have more facts than the families who were actually there, FFS. You're mental.

The camp could have allowed the girls to walk 60 for 60 seconds up a hill and they would have lived. Instead they made them stay in their cabins and they died. I don’t need to “be there” to understand that this level of failure is criminal and has nothing to do with the river and everything to do with terrible risk assessment. No one should trust them with children ever again. It’s so painfully obvious to everyone not in the cult.

In hindsight yes, but at the time it was dark and they opted to shelter in place which in many occurrences is the right thing to do. But now everyone's an armchair quarterback. What if in trying to escape they had been swept away in the current?

The Eastlands themselves were out walking around the grounds hours before the flash flood hit, worried about their canoes and other equipment. I think it's safe to assume that if they had alerted the girls in the cabins at that time, they could have made it to safety in just a few minutes.

Hindsight is 20/20.

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So much venom spewed by clueless gossips.

A few posters like you here are attempting to defend the camp owners' incompetence that was noted by candid starements made by Texas lawmakers and attorneys. Even the Eastlands admitted their mistakes.

Liar. I have not defended the camp owners at all. Just calling out the grotesque attacks on the grieving families. Leave them alone.

The families that want to return are defending the Eastlands. Maybe you missed that part. They think the Eastlands did nothing wrong and the girls could not have been saved.

Are some of these families those who had girls attending last summer?

I don’t have a dog in his fight, but yes, I know there were families who had daughters on Guadalupe during second term last year who were returning this year.

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Anonymous wrote:I watched some of the second day of hearings. These are the takeaways I have:
(1) Teach your kids to listen to their instincts, Get out and self advocate. If the water is rising quickly get to higher ground. There was a DC train (metro?) where there told people not to evacuate with smoke / fire but help did not come in a timely manner. Person who had been trained to self advocate got himself and other people on his car out of the train/ tunnel safely.
(2). The value of training for fire, active shooter is important activity. One of the parents started a non-profit and has developed best practices for camps. Something that many of us did know was needed, especially for sleep away camps.
(3) 'Look for the helpers.' Remind your kids this, they are not alone.

Other things we can learn from this tragedy? I think I had heard when this first happened that there was funding provided by Biden administration for installing early warning detection for that river, which money was not used and likely returned to the river. So let's learn not cut off our noses to spite our face. We have become so polarized politically that we need to be careful and say is this valuable input?

You are talking about EIGHT YEAR OLD GIRLS who were TOLD by adults to stay in their cabins. Your Metro scenario is completely ridiculous as an analogy.

Why are you yelling? There were other cabins that self-evacuated. Chloe & Katherine were set up to fail by the Eastlands, and the Eastlands failed them.

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The parents who put their kids on this situation again after seeing what happened are crazy.

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I am relieved it will not be opening and relieved there will not be any more lives endangered.
I didn’t know about the living girl found 6.5 miles away with ant bites or the 2 found a mile away in debris but alive.

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Anonymous wrote:I think if the shrieking harpy in here actually knew the families who send their kids to this camp they would rethink their very vocal stance. These extremely wealthy, right wing religious families don't spend a second of their day worrying about random elderly women in Virginia or thereabouts. Their kids will just go to another camp if it doesn't work out.

You’re dead wrong! We knew several children at that camp in that flood. One was a friend of my daughter’s a classmate. Their families care very much about others. These are not right wing people at all. Some are slightly right of center, some slightly left - none on the wings - ZERO! And they all care about others. Many families are still grieving, including mine. You should have compassion, especially as you are making assumptions about the compassion of others.

Be honest. The camp took a serious religious turn recently. These people are my friends, neighbors, and my kid's classmates.

They’re religious- true. It’s always been a religious camp. Are you saying religious people don’t deserve compassion if their children die? Are you saying religious people all had right political affiliations that don’t align with yours, therefore they don’t deserve compassion?

I'm saying their religion is a huge reason why they want to return to camp and that's why people here are struggling to understand their motivation. They have completely different world views. The returning campers aren't asking for anything from the people here, certainly not their compassion. I know returning campers and I certainly don't question them or discuss it with them. We are not the same, but it's their decision to make.

You keep bringing this up. We are not trying to discuss it with them. We are discussing it amongst ourselves. It is a bizarre, real-world case study in people acting adverse to their own interests.

Again with the ignorance and hubris. You don't have all of the facts. You don't know them. You have not experienced what they went through. You don't know their motivations. Stop judging them and MYOFB.

So funny. Those of us questioning the parents decisions to send their daughters to that camp clearly have more of the facts than you or they do.

No, you don't have more facts than the families who were actually there, FFS. You're mental.

The camp could have allowed the girls to walk 60 for 60 seconds up a hill and they would have lived. Instead they made them stay in their cabins and they died. I don’t need to “be there” to understand that this level of failure is criminal and has nothing to do with the river and everything to do with terrible risk assessment. No one should trust them with children ever again. It’s so painfully obvious to everyone not in the cult.

I truly DGAF about the camp -- it can stay closed.

That doesn't change the fact that you weren't there. You don't know more than families who were actually there. It's ridiculous for you to claim otherwise. They made a different decision than you think you would make in that situation.

I don't understand why you are so intent on tearing down these families.

May I point out, ma'am, that none of the "families" were actually there, either. If they were, I bet they wouldn't have let their daughter drown.

They know far more about it than you. Be thankful that you’re not in their position.

Clearly not. Many of them apparently didn’t even read or listen to the sworn testimony.

Right. You read an article. You heard the testimony. You clearly know more than these families who actually lived through this trauma.

Stop judging these families who have been through something you know nothing about.

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Anonymous wrote:I think if the shrieking harpy in here actually knew the families who send their kids to this camp they would rethink their very vocal stance. These extremely wealthy, right wing religious families don't spend a second of their day worrying about random elderly women in Virginia or thereabouts. Their kids will just go to another camp if it doesn't work out.

You’re dead wrong! We knew several children at that camp in that flood. One was a friend of my daughter’s a classmate. Their families care very much about others. These are not right wing people at all. Some are slightly right of center, some slightly left - none on the wings - ZERO! And they all care about others. Many families are still grieving, including mine. You should have compassion, especially as you are making assumptions about the compassion of others.

Be honest. The camp took a serious religious turn recently. These people are my friends, neighbors, and my kid's classmates.

They’re religious- true. It’s always been a religious camp. Are you saying religious people don’t deserve compassion if their children die? Are you saying religious people all had right political affiliations that don’t align with yours, therefore they don’t deserve compassion?

I'm saying their religion is a huge reason why they want to return to camp and that's why people here are struggling to understand their motivation. They have completely different world views. The returning campers aren't asking for anything from the people here, certainly not their compassion. I know returning campers and I certainly don't question them or discuss it with them. We are not the same, but it's their decision to make.

You keep bringing this up. We are not trying to discuss it with them. We are discussing it amongst ourselves. It is a bizarre, real-world case study in people acting adverse to their own interests.

Again with the ignorance and hubris. You don't have all of the facts. You don't know them. You have not experienced what they went through. You don't know their motivations. Stop judging them and MYOFB.

So funny. Those of us questioning the parents decisions to send their daughters to that camp clearly have more of the facts than you or they do.

No, you don't have more facts than the families who were actually there, FFS. You're mental.

The camp could have allowed the girls to walk 60 for 60 seconds up a hill and they would have lived. Instead they made them stay in their cabins and they died. I don’t need to “be there” to understand that this level of failure is criminal and has nothing to do with the river and everything to do with terrible risk assessment. No one should trust them with children ever again. It’s so painfully obvious to everyone not in the cult.

In hindsight yes, but at the time it was dark and they opted to shelter in place which in many occurrences is the right thing to do. But now everyone's an armchair quarterback. What if in trying to escape they had been swept away in the current?

That why you evacuate BEFORE the water is in the cabins. These return to camp people and their over the top suffering of their immensely privileged children not being able to go to camp is mad! It’s like a weird group psychosis.

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Anonymous wrote:I think if the shrieking harpy in here actually knew the families who send their kids to this camp they would rethink their very vocal stance. These extremely wealthy, right wing religious families don't spend a second of their day worrying about random elderly women in Virginia or thereabouts. Their kids will just go to another camp if it doesn't work out.

You’re dead wrong! We knew several children at that camp in that flood. One was a friend of my daughter’s a classmate. Their families care very much about others. These are not right wing people at all. Some are slightly right of center, some slightly left - none on the wings - ZERO! And they all care about others. Many families are still grieving, including mine. You should have compassion, especially as you are making assumptions about the compassion of others.

Be honest. The camp took a serious religious turn recently. These people are my friends, neighbors, and my kid's classmates.

They’re religious- true. It’s always been a religious camp. Are you saying religious people don’t deserve compassion if their children die? Are you saying religious people all had right political affiliations that don’t align with yours, therefore they don’t deserve compassion?

I'm saying their religion is a huge reason why they want to return to camp and that's why people here are struggling to understand their motivation. They have completely different world views. The returning campers aren't asking for anything from the people here, certainly not their compassion. I know returning campers and I certainly don't question them or discuss it with them. We are not the same, but it's their decision to make.

You keep bringing this up. We are not trying to discuss it with them. We are discussing it amongst ourselves. It is a bizarre, real-world case study in people acting adverse to their own interests.

Again with the ignorance and hubris. You don't have all of the facts. You don't know them. You have not experienced what they went through. You don't know their motivations. Stop judging them and MYOFB.

So funny. Those of us questioning the parents decisions to send their daughters to that camp clearly have more of the facts than you or they do.

No, you don't have more facts than the families who were actually there, FFS. You're mental.

The camp could have allowed the girls to walk 60 for 60 seconds up a hill and they would have lived. Instead they made them stay in their cabins and they died. I don’t need to “be there” to understand that this level of failure is criminal and has nothing to do with the river and everything to do with terrible risk assessment. No one should trust them with children ever again. It’s so painfully obvious to everyone not in the cult.

In hindsight yes, but at the time it was dark and they opted to shelter in place which in many occurrences is the right thing to do. But now everyone's an armchair quarterback. What if in trying to escape they had been swept away in the current?

That why you evacuate BEFORE the water is in the cabins. These return to camp people and their over the top suffering of their immensely privileged children not being able to go to camp is mad! It’s like a weird group psychosis.

What’s weird is you thinking you know anything about their situation.

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Anonymous wrote:I think if the shrieking harpy in here actually knew the families who send their kids to this camp they would rethink their very vocal stance. These extremely wealthy, right wing religious families don't spend a second of their day worrying about random elderly women in Virginia or thereabouts. Their kids will just go to another camp if it doesn't work out.

You’re dead wrong! We knew several children at that camp in that flood. One was a friend of my daughter’s a classmate. Their families care very much about others. These are not right wing people at all. Some are slightly right of center, some slightly left - none on the wings - ZERO! And they all care about others. Many families are still grieving, including mine. You should have compassion, especially as you are making assumptions about the compassion of others.

Be honest. The camp took a serious religious turn recently. These people are my friends, neighbors, and my kid's classmates.

They’re religious- true. It’s always been a religious camp. Are you saying religious people don’t deserve compassion if their children die? Are you saying religious people all had right political affiliations that don’t align with yours, therefore they don’t deserve compassion?

I'm saying their religion is a huge reason why they want to return to camp and that's why people here are struggling to understand their motivation. They have completely different world views. The returning campers aren't asking for anything from the people here, certainly not their compassion. I know returning campers and I certainly don't question them or discuss it with them. We are not the same, but it's their decision to make.

You keep bringing this up. We are not trying to discuss it with them. We are discussing it amongst ourselves. It is a bizarre, real-world case study in people acting adverse to their own interests.

Again with the ignorance and hubris. You don't have all of the facts. You don't know them. You have not experienced what they went through. You don't know their motivations. Stop judging them and MYOFB.

So funny. Those of us questioning the parents decisions to send their daughters to that camp clearly have more of the facts than you or they do.

No, you don't have more facts than the families who were actually there, FFS. You're mental.

The camp could have allowed the girls to walk 60 for 60 seconds up a hill and they would have lived. Instead they made them stay in their cabins and they died. I don’t need to “be there” to understand that this level of failure is criminal and has nothing to do with the river and everything to do with terrible risk assessment. No one should trust them with children ever again. It’s so painfully obvious to everyone not in the cult.

In hindsight yes, but at the time it was dark and they opted to shelter in place which in many occurrences is the right thing to do. But now everyone's an armchair quarterback. What if in trying to escape they had been swept away in the current?

That why you evacuate BEFORE the water is in the cabins. These return to camp people and their over the top suffering of their immensely privileged children not being able to go to camp is mad! It’s like a weird group psychosis.

What’s weird is you thinking you know anything about their situation.

Well it’s a good thing they got the horses and canoes to safety! Thank goodness they had the presence of mind to do that at least.

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Anonymous wrote:I think if the shrieking harpy in here actually knew the families who send their kids to this camp they would rethink their very vocal stance. These extremely wealthy, right wing religious families don't spend a second of their day worrying about random elderly women in Virginia or thereabouts. Their kids will just go to another camp if it doesn't work out.

You’re dead wrong! We knew several children at that camp in that flood. One was a friend of my daughter’s a classmate. Their families care very much about others. These are not right wing people at all. Some are slightly right of center, some slightly left - none on the wings - ZERO! And they all care about others. Many families are still grieving, including mine. You should have compassion, especially as you are making assumptions about the compassion of others.

Be honest. The camp took a serious religious turn recently. These people are my friends, neighbors, and my kid's classmates.

They’re religious- true. It’s always been a religious camp. Are you saying religious people don’t deserve compassion if their children die? Are you saying religious people all had right political affiliations that don’t align with yours, therefore they don’t deserve compassion?

I'm saying their religion is a huge reason why they want to return to camp and that's why people here are struggling to understand their motivation. They have completely different world views. The returning campers aren't asking for anything from the people here, certainly not their compassion. I know returning campers and I certainly don't question them or discuss it with them. We are not the same, but it's their decision to make.

You keep bringing this up. We are not trying to discuss it with them. We are discussing it amongst ourselves. It is a bizarre, real-world case study in people acting adverse to their own interests.

Again with the ignorance and hubris. You don't have all of the facts. You don't know them. You have not experienced what they went through. You don't know their motivations. Stop judging them and MYOFB.

So funny. Those of us questioning the parents decisions to send their daughters to that camp clearly have more of the facts than you or they do.

No, you don't have more facts than the families who were actually there, FFS. You're mental.

The camp could have allowed the girls to walk 60 for 60 seconds up a hill and they would have lived. Instead they made them stay in their cabins and they died. I don’t need to “be there” to understand that this level of failure is criminal and has nothing to do with the river and everything to do with terrible risk assessment. No one should trust them with children ever again. It’s so painfully obvious to everyone not in the cult.

In hindsight yes, but at the time it was dark and they opted to shelter in place which in many occurrences is the right thing to do. But now everyone's an armchair quarterback. What if in trying to escape they had been swept away in the current?

The Eastlands themselves were out walking around the grounds hours before the flash flood hit, worried about their canoes and other equipment. I think it's safe to assume that if they had alerted the girls in the cabins at that time, they could have made it to safety in just a few minutes.

Hindsight is 20/20.

+1

So much venom spewed by clueless gossips.

A few posters like you here are attempting to defend the camp owners' incompetence that was noted by candid starements made by Texas lawmakers and attorneys. Even the Eastlands admitted their mistakes.

Liar. I have not defended the camp owners at all. Just calling out the grotesque attacks on the grieving families. Leave them alone.

The families that want to return are defending the Eastlands. Maybe you missed that part. They think the Eastlands did nothing wrong and the girls could not have been saved.

+1 And they want to carry on with camp as usual, with little regard for those whose daughters died.

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Anonymous wrote:I think if the shrieking harpy in here actually knew the families who send their kids to this camp they would rethink their very vocal stance. These extremely wealthy, right wing religious families don't spend a second of their day worrying about random elderly women in Virginia or thereabouts. Their kids will just go to another camp if it doesn't work out.

You’re dead wrong! We knew several children at that camp in that flood. One was a friend of my daughter’s a classmate. Their families care very much about others. These are not right wing people at all. Some are slightly right of center, some slightly left - none on the wings - ZERO! And they all care about others. Many families are still grieving, including mine. You should have compassion, especially as you are making assumptions about the compassion of others.

Be honest. The camp took a serious religious turn recently. These people are my friends, neighbors, and my kid's classmates.

They’re religious- true. It’s always been a religious camp. Are you saying religious people don’t deserve compassion if their children die? Are you saying religious people all had right political affiliations that don’t align with yours, therefore they don’t deserve compassion?

I'm saying their religion is a huge reason why they want to return to camp and that's why people here are struggling to understand their motivation. They have completely different world views. The returning campers aren't asking for anything from the people here, certainly not their compassion. I know returning campers and I certainly don't question them or discuss it with them. We are not the same, but it's their decision to make.

You keep bringing this up. We are not trying to discuss it with them. We are discussing it amongst ourselves. It is a bizarre, real-world case study in people acting adverse to their own interests.

Again with the ignorance and hubris. You don't have all of the facts. You don't know them. You have not experienced what they went through. You don't know their motivations. Stop judging them and MYOFB.

So funny. Those of us questioning the parents decisions to send their daughters to that camp clearly have more of the facts than you or they do.

No, you don't have more facts than the families who were actually there, FFS. You're mental.

The camp could have allowed the girls to walk 60 for 60 seconds up a hill and they would have lived. Instead they made them stay in their cabins and they died. I don’t need to “be there” to understand that this level of failure is criminal and has nothing to do with the river and everything to do with terrible risk assessment. No one should trust them with children ever again. It’s so painfully obvious to everyone not in the cult.

In hindsight yes, but at the time it was dark and they opted to shelter in place which in many occurrences is the right thing to do. But now everyone's an armchair quarterback. What if in trying to escape they had been swept away in the current?

That why you evacuate BEFORE the water is in the cabins. These return to camp people and their over the top suffering of their immensely privileged children not being able to go to camp is mad! It’s like a weird group psychosis.

What’s weird is you thinking you know anything about their situation.

Well it’s a good thing they got the horses and canoes to safety! Thank goodness they had the presence of mind to do that at least.

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Here is a succinct explanation of the camp’s abject failure:

“In many cases, salvation was only a hundred feet away, Garrett said, the distance a small child could walk in about thirty seconds. Nearby, a group of nine able-bodied adults stood by as the water rose and Dick launched a last-minute evacuation effort that ultimately failed.

Nobody, investigators believe, thought to get on a loudspeaker and warn campers to run for their lives. Nobody stepped in to assist in the rescue effort as the youngest campers fought to stay alive inside their cabins, sealing the fate of little girls whose deaths leave behind a staggering “impact crater,” as Garrett put it, one that will never be filled. In the end, it seems, Camp Mystic’s culture overrode its employees’ common sense, as CiCi Steward, the mother of missing camper Cile Steward, told lawmakers during some of the week’s most powerful testimony. “Dick Eastland enforced a culture of obedience so powerful that their staff, including the directors of the camp and his children, were afraid to assist helpless children if it meant defying Dick’s orders,” she said.”

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/camp-mystic-will-not-reopen-2026/

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Anonymous wrote:I think if the shrieking harpy in here actually knew the families who send their kids to this camp they would rethink their very vocal stance. These extremely wealthy, right wing religious families don't spend a second of their day worrying about random elderly women in Virginia or thereabouts. Their kids will just go to another camp if it doesn't work out.

You’re dead wrong! We knew several children at that camp in that flood. One was a friend of my daughter’s a classmate. Their families care very much about others. These are not right wing people at all. Some are slightly right of center, some slightly left - none on the wings - ZERO! And they all care about others. Many families are still grieving, including mine. You should have compassion, especially as you are making assumptions about the compassion of others.

Be honest. The camp took a serious religious turn recently. These people are my friends, neighbors, and my kid's classmates.

They’re religious- true. It’s always been a religious camp. Are you saying religious people don’t deserve compassion if their children die? Are you saying religious people all had right political affiliations that don’t align with yours, therefore they don’t deserve compassion?

I'm saying their religion is a huge reason why they want to return to camp and that's why people here are struggling to understand their motivation. They have completely different world views. The returning campers aren't asking for anything from the people here, certainly not their compassion. I know returning campers and I certainly don't question them or discuss it with them. We are not the same, but it's their decision to make.

You keep bringing this up. We are not trying to discuss it with them. We are discussing it amongst ourselves. It is a bizarre, real-world case study in people acting adverse to their own interests.

Again with the ignorance and hubris. You don't have all of the facts. You don't know them. You have not experienced what they went through. You don't know their motivations. Stop judging them and MYOFB.

So funny. Those of us questioning the parents decisions to send their daughters to that camp clearly have more of the facts than you or they do.

No, you don't have more facts than the families who were actually there, FFS. You're mental.

The camp could have allowed the girls to walk 60 for 60 seconds up a hill and they would have lived. Instead they made them stay in their cabins and they died. I don’t need to “be there” to understand that this level of failure is criminal and has nothing to do with the river and everything to do with terrible risk assessment. No one should trust them with children ever again. It’s so painfully obvious to everyone not in the cult.

In hindsight yes, but at the time it was dark and they opted to shelter in place which in many occurrences is the right thing to do. But now everyone's an armchair quarterback. What if in trying to escape they had been swept away in the current?

That why you evacuate BEFORE the water is in the cabins. These return to camp people and their over the top suffering of their immensely privileged children not being able to go to camp is mad! It’s like a weird group psychosis.

What’s weird is you thinking you know anything about their situation.

Well it’s a good thing they got the horses and canoes to safety! Thank goodness they had the presence of mind to do that at least.

The families?

You seem to be having trouble following the thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I think if the shrieking harpy in here actually knew the families who send their kids to this camp they would rethink their very vocal stance. These extremely wealthy, right wing religious families don't spend a second of their day worrying about random elderly women in Virginia or thereabouts. Their kids will just go to another camp if it doesn't work out.

You’re dead wrong! We knew several children at that camp in that flood. One was a friend of my daughter’s a classmate. Their families care very much about others. These are not right wing people at all. Some are slightly right of center, some slightly left - none on the wings - ZERO! And they all care about others. Many families are still grieving, including mine. You should have compassion, especially as you are making assumptions about the compassion of others.

Be honest. The camp took a serious religious turn recently. These people are my friends, neighbors, and my kid's classmates.

They’re religious- true. It’s always been a religious camp. Are you saying religious people don’t deserve compassion if their children die? Are you saying religious people all had right political affiliations that don’t align with yours, therefore they don’t deserve compassion?

I'm saying their religion is a huge reason why they want to return to camp and that's why people here are struggling to understand their motivation. They have completely different world views. The returning campers aren't asking for anything from the people here, certainly not their compassion. I know returning campers and I certainly don't question them or discuss it with them. We are not the same, but it's their decision to make.

You keep bringing this up. We are not trying to discuss it with them. We are discussing it amongst ourselves. It is a bizarre, real-world case study in people acting adverse to their own interests.

Again with the ignorance and hubris. You don't have all of the facts. You don't know them. You have not experienced what they went through. You don't know their motivations. Stop judging them and MYOFB.

So funny. Those of us questioning the parents decisions to send their daughters to that camp clearly have more of the facts than you or they do.

No, you don't have more facts than the families who were actually there, FFS. You're mental.

The camp could have allowed the girls to walk 60 for 60 seconds up a hill and they would have lived. Instead they made them stay in their cabins and they died. I don’t need to “be there” to understand that this level of failure is criminal and has nothing to do with the river and everything to do with terrible risk assessment. No one should trust them with children ever again. It’s so painfully obvious to everyone not in the cult.

In hindsight yes, but at the time it was dark and they opted to shelter in place which in many occurrences is the right thing to do. But now everyone's an armchair quarterback. What if in trying to escape they had been swept away in the current?

That why you evacuate BEFORE the water is in the cabins. These return to camp people and their over the top suffering of their immensely privileged children not being able to go to camp is mad! It’s like a weird group psychosis.

What’s weird is you thinking you know anything about their situation.

Well it’s a good thing they got the horses and canoes to safety! Thank goodness they had the presence of mind to do that at least.

The families?

You seem to be having trouble following the thread.

The Eastlands and the families wanting to return to them (and you) are apparently the only ones who can’t see this for what it is.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a succinct explanation of the camp’s abject failure:

“In many cases, salvation was only a hundred feet away, Garrett said, the distance a small child could walk in about thirty seconds. Nearby, a group of nine able-bodied adults stood by as the water rose and Dick launched a last-minute evacuation effort that ultimately failed.

Nobody, investigators believe, thought to get on a loudspeaker and warn campers to run for their lives. Nobody stepped in to assist in the rescue effort as the youngest campers fought to stay alive inside their cabins, sealing the fate of little girls whose deaths leave behind a staggering “impact crater,” as Garrett put it, one that will never be filled. In the end, it seems, Camp Mystic’s culture overrode its employees’ common sense, as CiCi Steward, the mother of missing camper Cile Steward, told lawmakers during some of the week’s most powerful testimony. “Dick Eastland enforced a culture of obedience so powerful that their staff, including the directors of the camp and his children, were afraid to assist helpless children if it meant defying Dick’s orders,” she said.”

https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/camp-mystic-will-not-reopen-2026/

This is the literal definition of cult mindset.