Lively/Baldoni Lawsuit Part 2

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a different person who supports Lively generally (haven't posted here in several days) and I don't think the declarant is Lively, Reynolds, or Johannsen. Lively and Reynolds are stupid suggestions. Johannsen is too much star power to be doing a declaration like this, but in any case their name doesn't fit in he blank that's left for it. (And don't try to say she'd sign as Scarlett Jost: no.) My guess is a lower level producer etc. from Johannsen's movie. Or maybe someone from Will and Harper although the timing is off. I've kind of wondered whether it might be Harper, because I feel like it would be pretty easy for Baldoni to say something incredibly insensitive and wrong to Harper.

This makes sense.

Regardless of who it is, it's a very bad look for Baldoni that he has this type of conflict with another person, as it does give more credence to Blake's claims and makes it less likely that she is entirely to blame for their poor working relationship.

Also, depending on the timing of this other issue, I could see it contributing to Baldoni behaving poorly with Blake. If he'd recently has a conflict with another person, especially another woman, on another project, it could have put him in mindset that made it harder for him to work with.

Though I am also totally baffled as to why Steve Sarowitz would choose to make that threatening comment about Blake and Ryan to someone who has already had issues with Baldoni? That's bizarre.

So is someone filing that JB also SH them? If just saying he was mean, that’s just a jerk boss but doesn’t rise to SH claim.

No it just claims verbally abusive. No SH or smear.

[Anonymous]

Could be Ryan, no reason it has to be a female.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Could be Ryan, no reason it has to be a female.

Agree it could be a man, disagree it could be Ryan, the details don't make sense. Ryan has never worked with Baldoni, and if Sarowitz had threatened Ryan directly with that Hamas comment, Ryan likely would have sued directly and we'd have heard about that by now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Could be Ryan, no reason it has to be a female.

Agree it could be a man, disagree it could be Ryan, the details don't make sense. Ryan has never worked with Baldoni, and if Sarowitz had threatened Ryan directly with that Hamas comment, Ryan likely would have sued directly and we'd have heard about that by now.

Ryan was very much present on the set and allegedly did “write” some of the scenes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Could be Ryan, no reason it has to be a female.

Agree it could be a man, disagree it could be Ryan, the details don't make sense. Ryan has never worked with Baldoni, and if Sarowitz had threatened Ryan directly with that Hamas comment, Ryan likely would have sued directly and we'd have heard about that by now.

Ryan was very much present on the set and allegedly did “write” some of the scenes.

There are reports that once Ryan was done with his Deadpool shoot he was on the set every day all day. So absolutely could’ve been him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Could be Ryan, no reason it has to be a female.

Agree it could be a man, disagree it could be Ryan, the details don't make sense. Ryan has never worked with Baldoni, and if Sarowitz had threatened Ryan directly with that Hamas comment, Ryan likely would have sued directly and we'd have heard about that by now.

Ryan was very much present on the set and allegedly did “write” some of the scenes.

There are reports that once Ryan was done with his Deadpool shoot he was on the set every day all day. So absolutely could’ve been him.

No, because the declarant was working on an "unrelated" Wayfarer project. It's in the memo. So it's not It Ends With Us, which means it's not Ryan or Blake or anyone else whose only project with Wayfarer was It Ends With Us.

And again, the declarant is the one who is alleging Sarowitz made that comment about destroying Blake and Ryan that references Hamas. This person is described as a third-party. If the statement was made directly to Ryan, we would know about it by now.

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Anonymous wrote:Could be Ryan, no reason it has to be a female.

Agree it could be a man, disagree it could be Ryan, the details don't make sense. Ryan has never worked with Baldoni, and if Sarowitz had threatened Ryan directly with that Hamas comment, Ryan likely would have sued directly and we'd have heard about that by now.

Ryan was very much present on the set and allegedly did “write” some of the scenes.

There are reports that once Ryan was done with his Deadpool shoot he was on the set every day all day. So absolutely could’ve been him.

No, because the declarant was working on an "unrelated" Wayfarer project. It's in the memo. So it's not It Ends With Us, which means it's not Ryan or Blake or anyone else whose only project with Wayfarer was It Ends With Us.

And again, the declarant is the one who is alleging Sarowitz made that comment about destroying Blake and Ryan that references Hamas. This person is described as a third-party. If the statement was made directly to Ryan, we would know about it by now.

Someone on Reddit thinks it’s a WME exec. I tend to agree. Billionaires aren’t taking meetings with random people. And if Sarowitz did make the hamas comment to this person, he likely mistook them for an ally or at least a neutral party. But as we’ve seen throughout this litigation, when backed in a corner the elites have taken BL and RR’s side as the perceived more powerful group.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Could be Ryan, no reason it has to be a female.

Agree it could be a man, disagree it could be Ryan, the details don't make sense. Ryan has never worked with Baldoni, and if Sarowitz had threatened Ryan directly with that Hamas comment, Ryan likely would have sued directly and we'd have heard about that by now.

Ryan was very much present on the set and allegedly did “write” some of the scenes.

There are reports that once Ryan was done with his Deadpool shoot he was on the set every day all day. So absolutely could’ve been him.

No, because the declarant was working on an "unrelated" Wayfarer project. It's in the memo. So it's not It Ends With Us, which means it's not Ryan or Blake or anyone else whose only project with Wayfarer was It Ends With Us.

And again, the declarant is the one who is alleging Sarowitz made that comment about destroying Blake and Ryan that references Hamas. This person is described as a third-party. If the statement was made directly to Ryan, we would know about it by now.

Someone on Reddit thinks it’s a WME exec. I tend to agree. Billionaires aren’t taking meetings with random people. And if Sarowitz did make the hamas comment to this person, he likely mistook them for an ally or at least a neutral party. But as we’ve seen throughout this litigation, when backed in a corner the elites have taken BL and RR’s side as the perceived more powerful group.

I read that theory. I disagree with their conclusion because I don't think a WME exec would be able to ask that Baldoni or "his associates" not visit the set of a Wayfarer production. I think it has to be a director, high level producer (not just an executive producer), or well known star of the production, anyone else and that doesn't make sense. I likewise don't think Sarowitz would be requesting a 1:1 meeting with some WME exec. It would have to be Ari Emmanuel himself. But again, I don't think it can be Ari because there's no other Wayfarer project that Ari was personally involved with at the level of being able to make demands on set. Yes, some of their other projects at WME talent. But not anyone at Ari's level.

I do agree with that person that whoever the declarant is, they must have a history and good relationship with either Ryan or Blake. I think this for two reasons:

1) The declaration makes it sound like Sarowitz arranged that 1:1 meeting specifically to tell the declarant that Ryan and Blake better back off or else. It only makes sense to do that if the declarant has the kind of relationship with them to deliver that message.

2) The declarant obviously went and told Ryan and Blake what Sarowitz said, but not in a "hey guys, back off, this guy is serious" way, but rather in a way that allows Ryan and Blake to use it against Sarowitz. And this person appears to be ready to testify for Blake. So yes, definitely someone associated with them in some way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could be Ryan, no reason it has to be a female.

Agree it could be a man, disagree it could be Ryan, the details don't make sense. Ryan has never worked with Baldoni, and if Sarowitz had threatened Ryan directly with that Hamas comment, Ryan likely would have sued directly and we'd have heard about that by now.

Ryan was very much present on the set and allegedly did “write” some of the scenes.

There are reports that once Ryan was done with his Deadpool shoot he was on the set every day all day. So absolutely could’ve been him.

No, because the declarant was working on an "unrelated" Wayfarer project. It's in the memo. So it's not It Ends With Us, which means it's not Ryan or Blake or anyone else whose only project with Wayfarer was It Ends With Us.

And again, the declarant is the one who is alleging Sarowitz made that comment about destroying Blake and Ryan that references Hamas. This person is described as a third-party. If the statement was made directly to Ryan, we would know about it by now.

Someone on Reddit thinks it’s a WME exec. I tend to agree. Billionaires aren’t taking meetings with random people. And if Sarowitz did make the hamas comment to this person, he likely mistook them for an ally or at least a neutral party. But as we’ve seen throughout this litigation, when backed in a corner the elites have taken BL and RR’s side as the perceived more powerful group.

I read that theory. I disagree with their conclusion because I don't think a WME exec would be able to ask that Baldoni or "his associates" not visit the set of a Wayfarer production. I think it has to be a director, high level producer (not just an executive producer), or well known star of the production, anyone else and that doesn't make sense. I likewise don't think Sarowitz would be requesting a 1:1 meeting with some WME exec. It would have to be Ari Emmanuel himself. But again, I don't think it can be Ari because there's no other Wayfarer project that Ari was personally involved with at the level of being able to make demands on set. Yes, some of their other projects at WME talent. But not anyone at Ari's level.

I do agree with that person that whoever the declarant is, they must have a history and good relationship with either Ryan or Blake. I think this for two reasons:

1) The declaration makes it sound like Sarowitz arranged that 1:1 meeting specifically to tell the declarant that Ryan and Blake better back off or else. It only makes sense to do that if the declarant has the kind of relationship with them to deliver that message.

2) The declarant obviously went and told Ryan and Blake what Sarowitz said, but not in a "hey guys, back off, this guy is serious" way, but rather in a way that allows Ryan and Blake to use it against Sarowitz. And this person appears to be ready to testify for Blake. So yes, definitely someone associated with them in some way.

I am quite sure whomever it is has a very very close relationship with Ryan and Blake.

[Anonymous]

NAG’s take on the redacted affidavit and how it demonstrates the paucity of the Lively case. First she agrees with others here no legal basis for the redaction of the declarant’s name. Second, she attacks Lively’s assertion that this person will testify at trial because evidence of “verbal abuse” on another set is not admissible. For those that aren’t lawyers, evidence intended to show propensity for an act generally is inadmissible, here the other act is not even alleged to be sh or retaliation. https://www.reddit.com/r/ItEndsWithLawsuits/s/hdmQjFhm0N

[Anonymous]

My take on it is the declaration is being submitted as evidence of Sarowitz making the statement about wanting to destroy Lively. That goes to what is relevant to the motion for attorney's fees, which is that the lawsuit was filed to silence/punish someone making an accusation of SH and retaliation. The 47.1 motion I thought was fine, nothing groundbreaking there that we hadn't seen and basically what was expected, but well put together. And Lively is lucky that the Wayfarer parties, and their counsel, are extremely stupid and wrote and said a lot of things that imply the intent of the lawsuit was punitive or for PR reasons moreso than based on grounds to believe they had a winning legal case.

And then I think, since that declarant was going to make a declaration about that relevant information about Sarowitz and also had negative experiences with Baldoni, they threw that irrelevant info in there, unredacted of course, just cause they could and it would make it into the press. It doesn't mean the info about Baldoni's alleged verbal abuse will make it before the jury, it was just kind of a cheap shot that Lively threw in there. I was wondering why the 47.1 motion came out now, since Lively is still collecting evidence from Wayfarer (which, we may wonder, could be some of the most damaging evidence since Wayfarer has not turned it over, so why not wait?). There was some speculation they dropped it because Eleanor the Great had its Cannes Premiere, and that seems to be as good a theory as any.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My take on it is the declaration is being submitted as evidence of Sarowitz making the statement about wanting to destroy Lively. That goes to what is relevant to the motion for attorney's fees, which is that the lawsuit was filed to silence/punish someone making an accusation of SH and retaliation. The 47.1 motion I thought was fine, nothing groundbreaking there that we hadn't seen and basically what was expected, but well put together. And Lively is lucky that the Wayfarer parties, and their counsel, are extremely stupid and wrote and said a lot of things that imply the intent of the lawsuit was punitive or for PR reasons moreso than based on grounds to believe they had a winning legal case.

And then I think, since that declarant was going to make a declaration about that relevant information about Sarowitz and also had negative experiences with Baldoni, they threw that irrelevant info in there, unredacted of course, just cause they could and it would make it into the press. It doesn't mean the info about Baldoni's alleged verbal abuse will make it before the jury, it was just kind of a cheap shot that Lively threw in there. I was wondering why the 47.1 motion came out now, since Lively is still collecting evidence from Wayfarer (which, we may wonder, could be some of the most damaging evidence since Wayfarer has not turned it over, so why not wait?). There was some speculation they dropped it because Eleanor the Great had its Cannes Premiere, and that seems to be as good a theory as any.

The vast majority of the evidence now being turned over is due to the extended time frame (from complaint to February).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Could be Ryan, no reason it has to be a female.

Agree it could be a man, disagree it could be Ryan, the details don't make sense. Ryan has never worked with Baldoni, and if Sarowitz had threatened Ryan directly with that Hamas comment, Ryan likely would have sued directly and we'd have heard about that by now.

Ryan was very much present on the set and allegedly did “write” some of the scenes.

There are reports that once Ryan was done with his Deadpool shoot he was on the set every day all day. So absolutely could’ve been him.

No, because the declarant was working on an "unrelated" Wayfarer project. It's in the memo. So it's not It Ends With Us, which means it's not Ryan or Blake or anyone else whose only project with Wayfarer was It Ends With Us.

And again, the declarant is the one who is alleging Sarowitz made that comment about destroying Blake and Ryan that references Hamas. This person is described as a third-party. If the statement was made directly to Ryan, we would know about it by now.

Someone on Reddit thinks it’s a WME exec. I tend to agree. Billionaires aren’t taking meetings with random people. And if Sarowitz did make the hamas comment to this person, he likely mistook them for an ally or at least a neutral party. But as we’ve seen throughout this litigation, when backed in a corner the elites have taken BL and RR’s side as the perceived more powerful group.

I read that theory. I disagree with their conclusion because I don't think a WME exec would be able to ask that Baldoni or "his associates" not visit the set of a Wayfarer production. I think it has to be a director, high level producer (not just an executive producer), or well known star of the production, anyone else and that doesn't make sense. I likewise don't think Sarowitz would be requesting a 1:1 meeting with some WME exec. It would have to be Ari Emmanuel himself. But again, I don't think it can be Ari because there's no other Wayfarer project that Ari was personally involved with at the level of being able to make demands on set. Yes, some of their other projects at WME talent. But not anyone at Ari's level.

I do agree with that person that whoever the declarant is, they must have a history and good relationship with either Ryan or Blake. I think this for two reasons:

1) The declaration makes it sound like Sarowitz arranged that 1:1 meeting specifically to tell the declarant that Ryan and Blake better back off or else. It only makes sense to do that if the declarant has the kind of relationship with them to deliver that message.

2) The declarant obviously went and told Ryan and Blake what Sarowitz said, but not in a "hey guys, back off, this guy is serious" way, but rather in a way that allows Ryan and Blake to use it against Sarowitz. And this person appears to be ready to testify for Blake. So yes, definitely someone associated with them in some way.

PP- if not wme maybe Sony

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My take on it is the declaration is being submitted as evidence of Sarowitz making the statement about wanting to destroy Lively. That goes to what is relevant to the motion for attorney's fees, which is that the lawsuit was filed to silence/punish someone making an accusation of SH and retaliation. The 47.1 motion I thought was fine, nothing groundbreaking there that we hadn't seen and basically what was expected, but well put together. And Lively is lucky that the Wayfarer parties, and their counsel, are extremely stupid and wrote and said a lot of things that imply the intent of the lawsuit was punitive or for PR reasons moreso than based on grounds to believe they had a winning legal case.

And then I think, since that declarant was going to make a declaration about that relevant information about Sarowitz and also had negative experiences with Baldoni, they threw that irrelevant info in there, unredacted of course, just cause they could and it would make it into the press. It doesn't mean the info about Baldoni's alleged verbal abuse will make it before the jury, it was just kind of a cheap shot that Lively threw in there. I was wondering why the 47.1 motion came out now, since Lively is still collecting evidence from Wayfarer (which, we may wonder, could be some of the most damaging evidence since Wayfarer has not turned it over, so why not wait?). There was some speculation they dropped it because Eleanor the Great had its Cannes Premiere, and that seems to be as good a theory as any.

Except the TMZ piece quotes Blake’s team saying that the declarant will likely testify against Justin at trial, not Sarawitz.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could be Ryan, no reason it has to be a female.

Agree it could be a man, disagree it could be Ryan, the details don't make sense. Ryan has never worked with Baldoni, and if Sarowitz had threatened Ryan directly with that Hamas comment, Ryan likely would have sued directly and we'd have heard about that by now.

Ryan was very much present on the set and allegedly did “write” some of the scenes.

There are reports that once Ryan was done with his Deadpool shoot he was on the set every day all day. So absolutely could’ve been him.

No, because the declarant was working on an "unrelated" Wayfarer project. It's in the memo. So it's not It Ends With Us, which means it's not Ryan or Blake or anyone else whose only project with Wayfarer was It Ends With Us.

And again, the declarant is the one who is alleging Sarowitz made that comment about destroying Blake and Ryan that references Hamas. This person is described as a third-party. If the statement was made directly to Ryan, we would know about it by now.

Someone on Reddit thinks it’s a WME exec. I tend to agree. Billionaires aren’t taking meetings with random people. And if Sarowitz did make the hamas comment to this person, he likely mistook them for an ally or at least a neutral party. But as we’ve seen throughout this litigation, when backed in a corner the elites have taken BL and RR’s side as the perceived more powerful group.

I read that theory. I disagree with their conclusion because I don't think a WME exec would be able to ask that Baldoni or "his associates" not visit the set of a Wayfarer production. I think it has to be a director, high level producer (not just an executive producer), or well known star of the production, anyone else and that doesn't make sense. I likewise don't think Sarowitz would be requesting a 1:1 meeting with some WME exec. It would have to be Ari Emmanuel himself. But again, I don't think it can be Ari because there's no other Wayfarer project that Ari was personally involved with at the level of being able to make demands on set. Yes, some of their other projects at WME talent. But not anyone at Ari's level.

I do agree with that person that whoever the declarant is, they must have a history and good relationship with either Ryan or Blake. I think this for two reasons:

1) The declaration makes it sound like Sarowitz arranged that 1:1 meeting specifically to tell the declarant that Ryan and Blake better back off or else. It only makes sense to do that if the declarant has the kind of relationship with them to deliver that message.

2) The declarant obviously went and told Ryan and Blake what Sarowitz said, but not in a "hey guys, back off, this guy is serious" way, but rather in a way that allows Ryan and Blake to use it against Sarowitz. And this person appears to be ready to testify for Blake. So yes, definitely someone associated with them in some way.

PP- if not wme maybe Sony

Makes even less sense because, again, this person worked on a Wayfarer project UNRELATED to IEWU. Sony is the only project Wayfarer has coordinated with Sony on. So there would be no reason for a Sony exec to be on any other set, and if they were, they certainly wouldn't have the pull to demand Baldoni, and actual producer, stay off the set.