Why aren’t males attending college?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We can keep going.

How many of the top 100 mathematicians are women?

How many of the top 100 Physicists are women?

Nobel prizes........


Great, glad men at the top are doing well. Mind telling us how the working class men with no degree in America are doing?
I’ll help you with the research: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/26/upshot/census-relative-income.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/26/upshot/census-relative-income.html.

We can discuss men without it being some grandstanding bs about how they build civilizations; it’s seriously tired rhetoric.


NYT - the source of all wisdom!

It is now a tabloid devoid of any facts.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We can keep going.

How many of the top 100 mathematicians are women?

How many of the top 100 Physicists are women?

Nobel prizes........


Great, glad men at the top are doing well. Mind telling us how the working class men with no degree in America are doing?
I’ll help you with the research: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/26/upshot/census-relative-income.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/26/upshot/census-relative-income.html.

We can discuss men without it being some grandstanding bs about how they build civilizations; it’s seriously tired rhetoric.


Your link shows that working-class women without a degree aren't doing any better than the working class men without a degree. They are doing worse, and most americans still don't have a degree. Men have better career options without a degree compared to women, still.

Here's some more data. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/11/08/whats-behind-the-growing-gap-between-men-and-women-in-college-completion/
"Men are more likely than women to point to factors that have more to do with personal choice. Roughly a third (34%) of men without a bachelor’s degree say a major reason they didn’t complete college is that they just didn’t want to. Only one-in-four women say the same. Non-college-educated men are also more likely than their female counterparts to say a major reason they don’t have a four-year degree is that they didn’t need more education for the job or career they wanted (26% of men say this vs. 20% of women)."

Why do (some white) men not want to go to college? I think that is the one that deserves some probing.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The expectation for kids to be perfect (all As, ECs curated, super scheduled days) beginning in 9th grade does not match where most boys are developmentally at age 14. Girls are ahead here. So they start off behind and it is hard to catch up.


this is a very real factor. teacher of Gifted&Talented...the intelligence is the same, the organizational skills of females are 1.5-2 yrs ahead. Males are not as supported in our educational system. In GT with smaller groupings we can do a lot of creative out of box thinking and cater to both types of minds. Colleagues in private schools report the same. All-male schools often have a lot of success with boys. Most public schools cannot individualize this. I am a female teacher. Most of my colleagues are. Many of us have raised sons and daughters in addition to teaching them; Boys need more support. Giving Boys more support does not mean giving girls less: keep the women in stem and all the important stuff added over the years to help girls; add support specifically for the ways boys learn, and ways to encourage college and make it an obvious attainable choice.


I think boys and young men also need strong, supportive male teachers, mentors and, most importantly, fathers (or at least strong male family members to rely upon and learn from). Child-care, from daycare works, nannies and preschool teachers, through elementary, middle and high school, are largely staffed by female teachers/care-givers. If we want boys to have stronger positive, pro-academic role models, we need for men to enter the profession from the ground up.

Sadly, in our society, male teachers are often looked down-upon, or, worse yet for recruiting good male teachers, treated as generally as potential pedophiles (see parts of the thread on the true monster former head of NCRC preschool but also the comments about general concern about male teachers). But men need to be part of this solution. I remember attending a middle school parent association meeting where discussion focused in part on this issue, and every single parent at the meeting, and all the faculty members (other than one administrator) was female. The meeting was at 8 am. There were parents who phoned in to listen form their cars, and from their office. Every single one was female.

To those men and dads who are disconnected, you need to show up. Show up at your kids' school, in the day-to-day of supporting your kids and serving as a role model of what you believe is important for your sons (and daughters) to understand about the importance of education. Coach the soccer team, or the debate team, or drive carpool or just sit at the dining table and work alongside your kids. So they can see you, ask you questions casually and regularly. So that when they think of a male role model they understand and admire, it's you, and they can develop a mature understanding of positive masculinity. And to the male teachers, I appreciate your work and serving as strong examples for our kids.
Anonymous
Because we give them every excuse in the book
Anonymous
Because college is, mostly, not a good deal. At all.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Because college is, mostly, not a good deal. At all.

Give the stats on that. I bet you'll find you're talking out of your a$$.
Anonymous
Most public schools from k-6 have a 90% female teacher staff. From our experience the only male staff was a Physical ED teacher or the custodians. In addition the staff skews very very liberal and most if not all are members of those lefty teachers unions that traditionally are big supporters of liberal democrats. If boys showed up with baseball cards they would probably confiscate them.










Anonymous
^1000
Anonymous
Best day our family had was seeing the anger and disbelief on teachers when Trump thumped Kamala. Priceless.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We can keep going.

How many of the top 100 mathematicians are women?

How many of the top 100 Physicists are women?

Nobel prizes........


Great, glad men at the top are doing well. Mind telling us how the working class men with no degree in America are doing?
I’ll help you with the research: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/26/upshot/census-relative-income.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/26/upshot/census-relative-income.html.

We can discuss men without it being some grandstanding bs about how they build civilizations; it’s seriously tired rhetoric.


NYT - the source of all wisdom!

It is now a tabloid devoid of any facts.


Reminder:
These are the people posting here. Take no advice ever
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Most public schools from k-6 have a 90% female teacher staff. From our experience the only male staff was a Physical ED teacher or the custodians. In addition the staff skews very very liberal and most if not all are members of those lefty teachers unions that traditionally are big supporters of liberal democrats. If boys showed up with baseball cards they would probably confiscate them.



So what? It’s been that way for a long, long time. And both of my kids have had lots of male teachers in middle and high school.
Anonymous
Public schools have failed kids for decades. Those families with means have left in droves including the brigade of limousine liberals on this board. So many posters like to boast about their kids being in upscale suburban privates-and majority of them vote blue. Epitome of hypocrisy.
Anonymous
Of course they are! What are you talking about?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Public schools have failed kids for decades. Those families with means have left in droves including the brigade of limousine liberals on this board. So many posters like to boast about their kids being in upscale suburban privates-and majority of them vote blue. Epitome of hypocrisy.

Our public schools are some of the best in the world. Sounds like you just live in a terrible school district if you think this is the problem.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:They are busy voting for maga perhaps?



Also, they are armed, violent and prone to rape and pillage if things become bad. So….we should pin our hope on MS 13 vigilantes.
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