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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]We can keep going.

How many of the top 100 mathematicians are women?

How many of the top 100 Physicists are women?

Nobel prizes........

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Great, glad men at the top are doing well. Mind telling us how the working class men with no degree in America are doing?
I’ll help you with the research: [url] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/26/upshot/census-relative-income.html[/url].

We can discuss men without it being some grandstanding bs about how they build civilizations; it’s seriously tired rhetoric.[/quote]

Your link shows that working-class women without a degree aren't doing any better than the working class men without a degree.  They are doing worse, and most americans still don't have a degree.  Men have better career options without a degree compared to women, still.

Here's some more data.  https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/11/08/whats-behind-the-growing-gap-between-men-and-women-in-college-completion/
"Men are more likely than women to point to factors that have more to do with personal choice. Roughly a third (34%) of men without a bachelor’s degree say a major reason they didn’t complete college is that they just didn’t want to. Only one-in-four women say the same. Non-college-educated men are also more likely than their female counterparts to say a major reason they don’t have a four-year degree is that they didn’t need more education for the job or career they wanted (26% of men say this vs. 20% of women)."

Why do (some white) men not want to go to college? I think that is the one that deserves some probing.[/quote]

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