Women who say they aren't voting on the single issue of abortion rights

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Anonymous wrote:A platform advocating fathers to vote so their daughters can choose to have a fetus surgically killed or take medicine to poison that fetus because she failed to prevent that pregnancy is the most amoral, disgusting platform I have ever witnessed. I’m a woman veteran, and I am thankful everyday that I no longer am signed up to die for this country.

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That video ignores the indisputable facts that almost all surgical killings of fetuses and medicinal poisonings are elective choices because the woman simply does not want a child.

Why are you so insistent that women who don’t want children be forced to have them? That doesn’t sound good for the women or the children.

Not a single person here is insisting a woman be forced to have children. The fetus killed during abortion is your child, as you state.

Over 98% of women who have elective abortions are not forced by anyone to become pregnant; they are pregnant because they had consensual sexual relations with a man and became pregnant. How did anyone other than the woman and her partner cause the woman to become pregnant? No one made the 2 people have sex. No one is forcing pregnancy on women in those cases. Are you blaming the biological process of pregnancy on other people? If so just know nobody has the power to force women to become pregnant. Rape accounts for less than 1% of abortions.

So you are judging the women for the means by which they became pregnant and if that does not align with your moral world you would deny them the ability to stop that pregnancy from developing. Because you feel morally superior to those women and girls so they must be trapped for 9 months and go through the horrific pain of labor and delivery and out their body through a dangerous process that always has the potential to kill them because you disapprove of how they got pregnant.

Women get pregnant through sexual intercourse, that’s not a judgement, it’s reality.

When a pregnancy is “stopped from developing,” the child is killed. Saying things like “the pregnancy is stopped from developing” is a sanitized way of ignoring the death of your child.

And you are sanitizing the physical reality of gestating an embryo into a living breathing child. A process that can at any point turn dangerous and can harm and permanently affect the body that carries it out. That is the main reason why I support abortion rights. Because women and girls already in this world have greater value than the embryo or fetus inside them that is reliant on their cooperation with gestating them. Sorry that is an inconvenient truth for you. But it is true. As long as pregnancy demands so much from women and girls, then women and girls get to decide if they carry it through. Because their lives are more valuable.

Look, the poster going on and on about pregnancy resulting from sex is all about this: women are sluts who have to be punished for having sex. They shouldn’t have a way of escaping this punishment.

DP. It’s not punishment, it’s biology. You’re acting as if the government got you pregnant. It didn’t. That’s a natural consequence of sexual activity. Unfortunately there is the potential for new life, and the question is where to go from that. Some people want unlimited abortion, some people want no abortion because of the value of the newly created life, and some people (the majority) fall somewhere in between.

Forced birthers like you have abortion at the same rates as normal women, but you find great joy in trying to take that right away from others.

And it is the right to bodily autonomy. It is liberty. If it isn’t I’ll tell you what: I’ll go ahead and make all your medical decisions for you. Your body, my choice, that’s how the forced birthers want it, so I think it’s only fair you live by it.

No one is forcing you to have sex or skip reliable contraception, PP. If you get pregnant without planning it, you are irresponsible. Not my job to pay for your dereliction with my tax dollars, hun.

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Anonymous wrote:Dear GOP. Get out of people's bedrooms and doctor's office. Especially you, Vance.

Meanwhile every male has to register to be drafted to fight in war. Maybe the GOP and DNC should stay out of our young men’s lives and not force them to fight and die with their bodies for foreign countries and in foreign countries?

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Anonymous wrote:A platform advocating fathers to vote so their daughters can choose to have a fetus surgically killed or take medicine to poison that fetus because she failed to prevent that pregnancy is the most amoral, disgusting platform I have ever witnessed. I’m a woman veteran, and I am thankful everyday that I no longer am signed up to die for this country.

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That video ignores the indisputable facts that almost all surgical killings of fetuses and medicinal poisonings are elective choices because the woman simply does not want a child.

Why are you so insistent that women who don’t want children be forced to have them? That doesn’t sound good for the women or the children.

Not a single person here is insisting a woman be forced to have children. The fetus killed during abortion is your child, as you state.

Over 98% of women who have elective abortions are not forced by anyone to become pregnant; they are pregnant because they had consensual sexual relations with a man and became pregnant. How did anyone other than the woman and her partner cause the woman to become pregnant? No one made the 2 people have sex. No one is forcing pregnancy on women in those cases. Are you blaming the biological process of pregnancy on other people? If so just know nobody has the power to force women to become pregnant. Rape accounts for less than 1% of abortions.

So you are judging the women for the means by which they became pregnant and if that does not align with your moral world you would deny them the ability to stop that pregnancy from developing. Because you feel morally superior to those women and girls so they must be trapped for 9 months and go through the horrific pain of labor and delivery and out their body through a dangerous process that always has the potential to kill them because you disapprove of how they got pregnant.

Women get pregnant through sexual intercourse, that’s not a judgement, it’s reality.

When a pregnancy is “stopped from developing,” the child is killed. Saying things like “the pregnancy is stopped from developing” is a sanitized way of ignoring the death of your child.

And you are sanitizing the physical reality of gestating an embryo into a living breathing child. A process that can at any point turn dangerous and can harm and permanently affect the body that carries it out. That is the main reason why I support abortion rights. Because women and girls already in this world have greater value than the embryo or fetus inside them that is reliant on their cooperation with gestating them. Sorry that is an inconvenient truth for you. But it is true. As long as pregnancy demands so much from women and girls, then women and girls get to decide if they carry it through. Because their lives are more valuable.

Look, the poster going on and on about pregnancy resulting from sex is all about this: women are sluts who have to be punished for having sex. They shouldn’t have a way of escaping this punishment.

DP. It’s not punishment, it’s biology. You’re acting as if the government got you pregnant. It didn’t. That’s a natural consequence of sexual activity. Unfortunately there is the potential for new life, and the question is where to go from that. Some people want unlimited abortion, some people want no abortion because of the value of the newly created life, and some people (the majority) fall somewhere in between.

Forced birthers like you have abortion at the same rates as normal women, but you find great joy in trying to take that right away from others.

And it is the right to bodily autonomy. It is liberty. If it isn’t I’ll tell you what: I’ll go ahead and make all your medical decisions for you. Your body, my choice, that’s how the forced birthers want it, so I think it’s only fair you live by it.

Who has forced you to become pregnant? Names, dates?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

Okay, so let’s go through specifics. At what point can a mother terminate in this circumstance?

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Anonymous wrote:A platform advocating fathers to vote so their daughters can choose to have a fetus surgically killed or take medicine to poison that fetus because she failed to prevent that pregnancy is the most amoral, disgusting platform I have ever witnessed. I’m a woman veteran, and I am thankful everyday that I no longer am signed up to die for this country.

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That video ignores the indisputable facts that almost all surgical killings of fetuses and medicinal poisonings are elective choices because the woman simply does not want a child.

Why are you so insistent that women who don’t want children be forced to have them? That doesn’t sound good for the women or the children.

Not a single person here is insisting a woman be forced to have children. The fetus killed during abortion is your child, as you state.

Over 98% of women who have elective abortions are not forced by anyone to become pregnant; they are pregnant because they had consensual sexual relations with a man and became pregnant. How did anyone other than the woman and her partner cause the woman to become pregnant? No one made the 2 people have sex. No one is forcing pregnancy on women in those cases. Are you blaming the biological process of pregnancy on other people? If so just know nobody has the power to force women to become pregnant. Rape accounts for less than 1% of abortions.

So you are judging the women for the means by which they became pregnant and if that does not align with your moral world you would deny them the ability to stop that pregnancy from developing. Because you feel morally superior to those women and girls so they must be trapped for 9 months and go through the horrific pain of labor and delivery and out their body through a dangerous process that always has the potential to kill them because you disapprove of how they got pregnant.

Women get pregnant through sexual intercourse, that’s not a judgement, it’s reality.

When a pregnancy is “stopped from developing,” the child is killed. Saying things like “the pregnancy is stopped from developing” is a sanitized way of ignoring the death of your child.

And you are sanitizing the physical reality of gestating an embryo into a living breathing child. A process that can at any point turn dangerous and can harm and permanently affect the body that carries it out. That is the main reason why I support abortion rights. Because women and girls already in this world have greater value than the embryo or fetus inside them that is reliant on their cooperation with gestating them. Sorry that is an inconvenient truth for you. But it is true. As long as pregnancy demands so much from women and girls, then women and girls get to decide if they carry it through. Because their lives are more valuable.

Look, the poster going on and on about pregnancy resulting from sex is all about this: women are sluts who have to be punished for having sex. They shouldn’t have a way of escaping this punishment.

DP. It’s not punishment, it’s biology. You’re acting as if the government got you pregnant. It didn’t. That’s a natural consequence of sexual activity. Unfortunately there is the potential for new life, and the question is where to go from that. Some people want unlimited abortion, some people want no abortion because of the value of the newly created life, and some people (the majority) fall somewhere in between.

Forced birthers like you have abortion at the same rates as normal women, but you find great joy in trying to take that right away from others.

And it is the right to bodily autonomy. It is liberty. If it isn’t I’ll tell you what: I’ll go ahead and make all your medical decisions for you. Your body, my choice, that’s how the forced birthers want it, so I think it’s only fair you live by it.

No one is forcing you to have sex or skip reliable contraception, PP. If you get pregnant without planning it, you are irresponsible. Not my job to pay for your dereliction with my tax dollars, hun.

But you’re ok paying for the rest of her irresponsible pregnancy, labor, delivery and postnatal care? Yeah that sounds all kinds of logical.

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Anonymous wrote:A platform advocating fathers to vote so their daughters can choose to have a fetus surgically killed or take medicine to poison that fetus because she failed to prevent that pregnancy is the most amoral, disgusting platform I have ever witnessed. I’m a woman veteran, and I am thankful everyday that I no longer am signed up to die for this country.

counterpoint

That video ignores the indisputable facts that almost all surgical killings of fetuses and medicinal poisonings are elective choices because the woman simply does not want a child.

Why are you so insistent that women who don’t want children be forced to have them? That doesn’t sound good for the women or the children.

Not a single person here is insisting a woman be forced to have children. The fetus killed during abortion is your child, as you state.

Over 98% of women who have elective abortions are not forced by anyone to become pregnant; they are pregnant because they had consensual sexual relations with a man and became pregnant. How did anyone other than the woman and her partner cause the woman to become pregnant? No one made the 2 people have sex. No one is forcing pregnancy on women in those cases. Are you blaming the biological process of pregnancy on other people? If so just know nobody has the power to force women to become pregnant. Rape accounts for less than 1% of abortions.

So you are judging the women for the means by which they became pregnant and if that does not align with your moral world you would deny them the ability to stop that pregnancy from developing. Because you feel morally superior to those women and girls so they must be trapped for 9 months and go through the horrific pain of labor and delivery and out their body through a dangerous process that always has the potential to kill them because you disapprove of how they got pregnant.

Women get pregnant through sexual intercourse, that’s not a judgement, it’s reality.

When a pregnancy is “stopped from developing,” the child is killed. Saying things like “the pregnancy is stopped from developing” is a sanitized way of ignoring the death of your child.

And you are sanitizing the physical reality of gestating an embryo into a living breathing child. A process that can at any point turn dangerous and can harm and permanently affect the body that carries it out. That is the main reason why I support abortion rights. Because women and girls already in this world have greater value than the embryo or fetus inside them that is reliant on their cooperation with gestating them. Sorry that is an inconvenient truth for you. But it is true. As long as pregnancy demands so much from women and girls, then women and girls get to decide if they carry it through. Because their lives are more valuable.

Look, the poster going on and on about pregnancy resulting from sex is all about this: women are sluts who have to be punished for having sex. They shouldn’t have a way of escaping this punishment.

DP. It’s not punishment, it’s biology. You’re acting as if the government got you pregnant. It didn’t. That’s a natural consequence of sexual activity. Unfortunately there is the potential for new life, and the question is where to go from that. Some people want unlimited abortion, some people want no abortion because of the value of the newly created life, and some people (the majority) fall somewhere in between.

Forced birthers like you have abortion at the same rates as normal women, but you find great joy in trying to take that right away from others.

And it is the right to bodily autonomy. It is liberty. If it isn’t I’ll tell you what: I’ll go ahead and make all your medical decisions for you. Your body, my choice, that’s how the forced birthers want it, so I think it’s only fair you live by it.

Pregnancy is not a disease. It’s not a disability. It’s not a medical condition that doctors treat as an illness.

Doctors don’t become doctors to kill healthy children. That’s why women have to go to abortion clinics to have abortions. Doctors save people’s lives and treat diseases and illnesses and repair people’s bodies. They don’t become doctors to dispose of your baby.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

Okay, so let’s go through specifics. At what point can a mother terminate in this circumstance?

Same as all other genetic abnormalities.

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Anonymous wrote:A platform advocating fathers to vote so their daughters can choose to have a fetus surgically killed or take medicine to poison that fetus because she failed to prevent that pregnancy is the most amoral, disgusting platform I have ever witnessed. I’m a woman veteran, and I am thankful everyday that I no longer am signed up to die for this country.

counterpoint

That video ignores the indisputable facts that almost all surgical killings of fetuses and medicinal poisonings are elective choices because the woman simply does not want a child.

Why are you so insistent that women who don’t want children be forced to have them? That doesn’t sound good for the women or the children.

Not a single person here is insisting a woman be forced to have children. The fetus killed during abortion is your child, as you state.

Over 98% of women who have elective abortions are not forced by anyone to become pregnant; they are pregnant because they had consensual sexual relations with a man and became pregnant. How did anyone other than the woman and her partner cause the woman to become pregnant? No one made the 2 people have sex. No one is forcing pregnancy on women in those cases. Are you blaming the biological process of pregnancy on other people? If so just know nobody has the power to force women to become pregnant. Rape accounts for less than 1% of abortions.

So you are judging the women for the means by which they became pregnant and if that does not align with your moral world you would deny them the ability to stop that pregnancy from developing. Because you feel morally superior to those women and girls so they must be trapped for 9 months and go through the horrific pain of labor and delivery and out their body through a dangerous process that always has the potential to kill them because you disapprove of how they got pregnant.

Women get pregnant through sexual intercourse, that’s not a judgement, it’s reality.

When a pregnancy is “stopped from developing,” the child is killed. Saying things like “the pregnancy is stopped from developing” is a sanitized way of ignoring the death of your child.

And you are sanitizing the physical reality of gestating an embryo into a living breathing child. A process that can at any point turn dangerous and can harm and permanently affect the body that carries it out. That is the main reason why I support abortion rights. Because women and girls already in this world have greater value than the embryo or fetus inside them that is reliant on their cooperation with gestating them. Sorry that is an inconvenient truth for you. But it is true. As long as pregnancy demands so much from women and girls, then women and girls get to decide if they carry it through. Because their lives are more valuable.

Look, the poster going on and on about pregnancy resulting from sex is all about this: women are sluts who have to be punished for having sex. They shouldn’t have a way of escaping this punishment.

DP. It’s not punishment, it’s biology. You’re acting as if the government got you pregnant. It didn’t. That’s a natural consequence of sexual activity. Unfortunately there is the potential for new life, and the question is where to go from that. Some people want unlimited abortion, some people want no abortion because of the value of the newly created life, and some people (the majority) fall somewhere in between.

Forced birthers like you have abortion at the same rates as normal women, but you find great joy in trying to take that right away from others.

And it is the right to bodily autonomy. It is liberty. If it isn’t I’ll tell you what: I’ll go ahead and make all your medical decisions for you. Your body, my choice, that’s how the forced birthers want it, so I think it’s only fair you live by it.

No one is forcing you to have sex or skip reliable contraception, PP. If you get pregnant without planning it, you are irresponsible. Not my job to pay for your dereliction with my tax dollars, hun.

You’re right about that. It’s definitely not your job to determine what gets paid for with taxes.

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Anonymous wrote:A platform advocating fathers to vote so their daughters can choose to have a fetus surgically killed or take medicine to poison that fetus because she failed to prevent that pregnancy is the most amoral, disgusting platform I have ever witnessed. I’m a woman veteran, and I am thankful everyday that I no longer am signed up to die for this country.

counterpoint

That video ignores the indisputable facts that almost all surgical killings of fetuses and medicinal poisonings are elective choices because the woman simply does not want a child.

Why are you so insistent that women who don’t want children be forced to have them? That doesn’t sound good for the women or the children.

Not a single person here is insisting a woman be forced to have children. The fetus killed during abortion is your child, as you state.

Over 98% of women who have elective abortions are not forced by anyone to become pregnant; they are pregnant because they had consensual sexual relations with a man and became pregnant. How did anyone other than the woman and her partner cause the woman to become pregnant? No one made the 2 people have sex. No one is forcing pregnancy on women in those cases. Are you blaming the biological process of pregnancy on other people? If so just know nobody has the power to force women to become pregnant. Rape accounts for less than 1% of abortions.

So you are judging the women for the means by which they became pregnant and if that does not align with your moral world you would deny them the ability to stop that pregnancy from developing. Because you feel morally superior to those women and girls so they must be trapped for 9 months and go through the horrific pain of labor and delivery and out their body through a dangerous process that always has the potential to kill them because you disapprove of how they got pregnant.

Women get pregnant through sexual intercourse, that’s not a judgement, it’s reality.

When a pregnancy is “stopped from developing,” the child is killed. Saying things like “the pregnancy is stopped from developing” is a sanitized way of ignoring the death of your child.

And you are sanitizing the physical reality of gestating an embryo into a living breathing child. A process that can at any point turn dangerous and can harm and permanently affect the body that carries it out. That is the main reason why I support abortion rights. Because women and girls already in this world have greater value than the embryo or fetus inside them that is reliant on their cooperation with gestating them. Sorry that is an inconvenient truth for you. But it is true. As long as pregnancy demands so much from women and girls, then women and girls get to decide if they carry it through. Because their lives are more valuable.

Look, the poster going on and on about pregnancy resulting from sex is all about this: women are sluts who have to be punished for having sex. They shouldn’t have a way of escaping this punishment.

DP. It’s not punishment, it’s biology. You’re acting as if the government got you pregnant. It didn’t. That’s a natural consequence of sexual activity. Unfortunately there is the potential for new life, and the question is where to go from that. Some people want unlimited abortion, some people want no abortion because of the value of the newly created life, and some people (the majority) fall somewhere in between.

Forced birthers like you have abortion at the same rates as normal women, but you find great joy in trying to take that right away from others.

And it is the right to bodily autonomy. It is liberty. If it isn’t I’ll tell you what: I’ll go ahead and make all your medical decisions for you. Your body, my choice, that’s how the forced birthers want it, so I think it’s only fair you live by it.

Pregnancy is not a disease. It’s not a disability. It’s not a medical condition that doctors treat as an illness.

Doctors don’t become doctors to kill healthy children. That’s why women have to go to abortion clinics to have abortions. Doctors save people’s lives and treat diseases and illnesses and repair people’s bodies. They don’t become doctors to dispose of your baby.

There are absolutely doctors performing abortions. As to why, most doctors become doctors because it’s a solid UMC job. I mean doctors do breast implants and nose jobs too so let’s not paint them a different breed from you and me. As to why more doctors don’t perform abortions, maybe you should ask your friend the doctor killers?

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Anonymous wrote:A platform advocating fathers to vote so their daughters can choose to have a fetus surgically killed or take medicine to poison that fetus because she failed to prevent that pregnancy is the most amoral, disgusting platform I have ever witnessed. I’m a woman veteran, and I am thankful everyday that I no longer am signed up to die for this country.

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That video ignores the indisputable facts that almost all surgical killings of fetuses and medicinal poisonings are elective choices because the woman simply does not want a child.

Why are you so insistent that women who don’t want children be forced to have them? That doesn’t sound good for the women or the children.

Not a single person here is insisting a woman be forced to have children. The fetus killed during abortion is your child, as you state.

Over 98% of women who have elective abortions are not forced by anyone to become pregnant; they are pregnant because they had consensual sexual relations with a man and became pregnant. How did anyone other than the woman and her partner cause the woman to become pregnant? No one made the 2 people have sex. No one is forcing pregnancy on women in those cases. Are you blaming the biological process of pregnancy on other people? If so just know nobody has the power to force women to become pregnant. Rape accounts for less than 1% of abortions.

So you are judging the women for the means by which they became pregnant and if that does not align with your moral world you would deny them the ability to stop that pregnancy from developing. Because you feel morally superior to those women and girls so they must be trapped for 9 months and go through the horrific pain of labor and delivery and out their body through a dangerous process that always has the potential to kill them because you disapprove of how they got pregnant.

Women get pregnant through sexual intercourse, that’s not a judgement, it’s reality.

When a pregnancy is “stopped from developing,” the child is killed. Saying things like “the pregnancy is stopped from developing” is a sanitized way of ignoring the death of your child.

And you are sanitizing the physical reality of gestating an embryo into a living breathing child. A process that can at any point turn dangerous and can harm and permanently affect the body that carries it out. That is the main reason why I support abortion rights. Because women and girls already in this world have greater value than the embryo or fetus inside them that is reliant on their cooperation with gestating them. Sorry that is an inconvenient truth for you. But it is true. As long as pregnancy demands so much from women and girls, then women and girls get to decide if they carry it through. Because their lives are more valuable.

Look, the poster going on and on about pregnancy resulting from sex is all about this: women are sluts who have to be punished for having sex. They shouldn’t have a way of escaping this punishment.

DP. It’s not punishment, it’s biology. You’re acting as if the government got you pregnant. It didn’t. That’s a natural consequence of sexual activity. Unfortunately there is the potential for new life, and the question is where to go from that. Some people want unlimited abortion, some people want no abortion because of the value of the newly created life, and some people (the majority) fall somewhere in between.

Forced birthers like you have abortion at the same rates as normal women, but you find great joy in trying to take that right away from others.

And it is the right to bodily autonomy. It is liberty. If it isn’t I’ll tell you what: I’ll go ahead and make all your medical decisions for you. Your body, my choice, that’s how the forced birthers want it, so I think it’s only fair you live by it.

Who has forced you to become pregnant? Names, dates?

I just find forced birthers like you to be so incredibly silly. You all talk like homeschooled middle schoolers - first in your class! - and so, so sure that the irrelevant lies you’ve been taught are the truth. It’s easy to sit smugly when you have never been challenged. You’ve never examined a single thing you were taught, and from the organized way you and the two other intensive posters are posting, I’d say my guess isn’t far from the truth and your mom said you could get extra credit for trying to convert people.

The really funny thing is that if you are an older woman, as I am, statistically speaking you’re just as likely to have had an abortion as I am, but like all hypocritical forced birthers, your abortion is the only moral abortion. (So much so someone actually wrote a story gently mocking all you sick hypocrites. You should read it!: https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/) If you had stayed pregnant by Hank from Bible camp, you wouldn’t have been able to go to college, and you wouldn’t have Braxton, Kayden and Sophia with your husband, and that’s somehow different from the choices other women make. There’s literally no difference between your abortion and any other woman’s abortion.

For the record, I’ve only ever been with one man and have never wanted, needed or sought an abortion. My miscarriages all resolved themselves (though with some scary bleeding as the other twin continued). I simply understand that women are people and that forced birther politics comes from a cold, dark, patriarchal, misogynistic culture that needs to control women.

(Fun fact, since you really do talk like someone deep in the religious soup: you should read about Mary, mother of Jesus, was systemically written out of the important, Church continuing role she played as the Bible was edited over the years. Your church lies to you to keep you down, to insure that you Serena Joyly keep other women down, too. The patriarchy can’t exist without your willing participation.)

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

Okay, so let’s go through specifics. At what point can a mother terminate in this circumstance?

When Americans are polled on this issue, no matter who does the polling, consistently, Americans broadly support abortion as a legal but rare option (uniformally in cases of rape or incest) during the first trimester. Support starts to fragment after that point.

And taxpayers support of abortion is not popular. The right of a woman to pay for it herself in the first trimester is the most acceptable degree of abortion. This is not my personal opinion but polls show it to be broadly accepted in this country.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?

Abortion is the top of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of MAGA hatred of humanity. It's not a "single issue"

Killing your own child shows love for humanity how?

A fetus isn't a child. Fetch isn't going to happen here. If you believe a fetus is a child, then don't have an abortion yourself. Do not tell me r anyone else what we should do. It is none of your business.

I delivered twins during my 20th week of pregnancy. Don't tell me that at 20 weeks a baby is a "bag of cells." They were tiny little human beings. If you held your children in your arms and watched them die like I did, you would support restrictions on abortion to the first trimester. I don't know the numbers, but I believe a large number of abortions that happen in the second trimester is due to the advent of advanced genetic testing that takes place 18 weeks. To me, it is horrifying that people will terminate pregnancies due to genetic abnormalities like Downs Syndrome, or even the wrong sex.

Then don’t you terminate it. I would terminate a genetically abnormal fetus with zero hesitation. I have a dear friend who has a child with a severe genetic disorder that’s rare enough to sneak through all genetic testing. My friend, living with that child, is 200% clear she’d opt to terminate if she knew ahead of time.

Your friend is a monster.

I am with her 100% and I’d terminate a genetically abnormal fetus without hesitation. Are you aware of statistics on this? Few people volunteer to have disabled, sick children.

I know several families with severely autistic children and I have seen the strain it has put on their marriage, finances and family. Do you advocate eliminating those children as well? What about the very elderly person with dementia who can no longer care for themselves costing thousands of dollars every month to care for. Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who supported engineering the population to eliminate groups of people she deemed unfit for society. Hitler also supported eugenics.

I am in favor of giving people a choice of whether a genetically abnormal pregnancy should be carried to term. Yes, I think if severe autism was diagnosable in utero, you’d see people opting to terminate. Remember that statistics consistently show 60 to 90% of pregnant women with genetic abnormalities opt for termination.

Okay, so let’s go through specifics. At what point can a mother terminate in this circumstance?

Same as all other genetic abnormalities.

That’s a non-answer. Specifically, what do you support? Do you support termination through nine months? Twelve weeks? You want to support termination in event of genetic anomalies: how exactly do you want that implemented?

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Anonymous wrote:A platform advocating fathers to vote so their daughters can choose to have a fetus surgically killed or take medicine to poison that fetus because she failed to prevent that pregnancy is the most amoral, disgusting platform I have ever witnessed. I’m a woman veteran, and I am thankful everyday that I no longer am signed up to die for this country.

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That video ignores the indisputable facts that almost all surgical killings of fetuses and medicinal poisonings are elective choices because the woman simply does not want a child.

Why are you so insistent that women who don’t want children be forced to have them? That doesn’t sound good for the women or the children.

Not a single person here is insisting a woman be forced to have children. The fetus killed during abortion is your child, as you state.

Over 98% of women who have elective abortions are not forced by anyone to become pregnant; they are pregnant because they had consensual sexual relations with a man and became pregnant. How did anyone other than the woman and her partner cause the woman to become pregnant? No one made the 2 people have sex. No one is forcing pregnancy on women in those cases. Are you blaming the biological process of pregnancy on other people? If so just know nobody has the power to force women to become pregnant. Rape accounts for less than 1% of abortions.

So you are judging the women for the means by which they became pregnant and if that does not align with your moral world you would deny them the ability to stop that pregnancy from developing. Because you feel morally superior to those women and girls so they must be trapped for 9 months and go through the horrific pain of labor and delivery and out their body through a dangerous process that always has the potential to kill them because you disapprove of how they got pregnant.

Women get pregnant through sexual intercourse, that’s not a judgement, it’s reality.

When a pregnancy is “stopped from developing,” the child is killed. Saying things like “the pregnancy is stopped from developing” is a sanitized way of ignoring the death of your child.

And you are sanitizing the physical reality of gestating an embryo into a living breathing child. A process that can at any point turn dangerous and can harm and permanently affect the body that carries it out. That is the main reason why I support abortion rights. Because women and girls already in this world have greater value than the embryo or fetus inside them that is reliant on their cooperation with gestating them. Sorry that is an inconvenient truth for you. But it is true. As long as pregnancy demands so much from women and girls, then women and girls get to decide if they carry it through. Because their lives are more valuable.

Look, the poster going on and on about pregnancy resulting from sex is all about this: women are sluts who have to be punished for having sex. They shouldn’t have a way of escaping this punishment.

DP. It’s not punishment, it’s biology. You’re acting as if the government got you pregnant. It didn’t. That’s a natural consequence of sexual activity. Unfortunately there is the potential for new life, and the question is where to go from that. Some people want unlimited abortion, some people want no abortion because of the value of the newly created life, and some people (the majority) fall somewhere in between.

Forced birthers like you have abortion at the same rates as normal women, but you find great joy in trying to take that right away from others.

And it is the right to bodily autonomy. It is liberty. If it isn’t I’ll tell you what: I’ll go ahead and make all your medical decisions for you. Your body, my choice, that’s how the forced birthers want it, so I think it’s only fair you live by it.

Pregnancy is not a disease. It’s not a disability. It’s not a medical condition that doctors treat as an illness.

Doctors don’t become doctors to kill healthy children. That’s why women have to go to abortion clinics to have abortions. Doctors save people’s lives and treat diseases and illnesses and repair people’s bodies. They don’t become doctors to dispose of your baby.

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Doctors work in abortion clinics, genius. Do you know anything about this beyond the sanctimonious soapbox you whine from?

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Anonymous wrote:A platform advocating fathers to vote so their daughters can choose to have a fetus surgically killed or take medicine to poison that fetus because she failed to prevent that pregnancy is the most amoral, disgusting platform I have ever witnessed. I’m a woman veteran, and I am thankful everyday that I no longer am signed up to die for this country.

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That video ignores the indisputable facts that almost all surgical killings of fetuses and medicinal poisonings are elective choices because the woman simply does not want a child.

Why are you so insistent that women who don’t want children be forced to have them? That doesn’t sound good for the women or the children.

Not a single person here is insisting a woman be forced to have children. The fetus killed during abortion is your child, as you state.

Over 98% of women who have elective abortions are not forced by anyone to become pregnant; they are pregnant because they had consensual sexual relations with a man and became pregnant. How did anyone other than the woman and her partner cause the woman to become pregnant? No one made the 2 people have sex. No one is forcing pregnancy on women in those cases. Are you blaming the biological process of pregnancy on other people? If so just know nobody has the power to force women to become pregnant. Rape accounts for less than 1% of abortions.

So you are judging the women for the means by which they became pregnant and if that does not align with your moral world you would deny them the ability to stop that pregnancy from developing. Because you feel morally superior to those women and girls so they must be trapped for 9 months and go through the horrific pain of labor and delivery and out their body through a dangerous process that always has the potential to kill them because you disapprove of how they got pregnant.

Women get pregnant through sexual intercourse, that’s not a judgement, it’s reality.

When a pregnancy is “stopped from developing,” the child is killed. Saying things like “the pregnancy is stopped from developing” is a sanitized way of ignoring the death of your child.

And you are sanitizing the physical reality of gestating an embryo into a living breathing child. A process that can at any point turn dangerous and can harm and permanently affect the body that carries it out. That is the main reason why I support abortion rights. Because women and girls already in this world have greater value than the embryo or fetus inside them that is reliant on their cooperation with gestating them. Sorry that is an inconvenient truth for you. But it is true. As long as pregnancy demands so much from women and girls, then women and girls get to decide if they carry it through. Because their lives are more valuable.

Look, the poster going on and on about pregnancy resulting from sex is all about this: women are sluts who have to be punished for having sex. They shouldn’t have a way of escaping this punishment.

DP. It’s not punishment, it’s biology. You’re acting as if the government got you pregnant. It didn’t. That’s a natural consequence of sexual activity. Unfortunately there is the potential for new life, and the question is where to go from that. Some people want unlimited abortion, some people want no abortion because of the value of the newly created life, and some people (the majority) fall somewhere in between.

Forced birthers like you have abortion at the same rates as normal women, but you find great joy in trying to take that right away from others.

And it is the right to bodily autonomy. It is liberty. If it isn’t I’ll tell you what: I’ll go ahead and make all your medical decisions for you. Your body, my choice, that’s how the forced birthers want it, so I think it’s only fair you live by it.

Who has forced you to become pregnant? Names, dates?

I just find forced birthers like you to be so incredibly silly. You all talk like homeschooled middle schoolers - first in your class! - and so, so sure that the irrelevant lies you’ve been taught are the truth. It’s easy to sit smugly when you have never been challenged. You’ve never examined a single thing you were taught, and from the organized way you and the two other intensive posters are posting, I’d say my guess isn’t far from the truth and your mom said you could get extra credit for trying to convert people.

The really funny thing is that if you are an older woman, as I am, statistically speaking you’re just as likely to have had an abortion as I am, but like all hypocritical forced birthers, your abortion is the only moral abortion. (So much so someone actually wrote a story gently mocking all you sick hypocrites. You should read it!: https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/) If you had stayed pregnant by Hank from Bible camp, you wouldn’t have been able to go to college, and you wouldn’t have Braxton, Kayden and Sophia with your husband, and that’s somehow different from the choices other women make. There’s literally no difference between your abortion and any other woman’s abortion.

For the record, I’ve only ever been with one man and have never wanted, needed or sought an abortion. My miscarriages all resolved themselves (though with some scary bleeding as the other twin continued). I simply understand that women are people and that forced birther politics comes from a cold, dark, patriarchal, misogynistic culture that needs to control women.

(Fun fact, since you really do talk like someone deep in the religious soup: you should read about Mary, mother of Jesus, was systemically written out of the important, Church continuing role she played as the Bible was edited over the years. Your church lies to you to keep you down, to insure that you Serena Joyly keep other women down, too. The patriarchy can’t exist without your willing participation.)

The ugly classism you freely show weakens any point you might have made. Your post is gross.