Bill Maher explains the Middle East to Gen Z: Can anyone really dispute the facts?

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Anonymous wrote:Why should anyone take Maher’s views and opinions seriously when he has Jewish ancestry and he’s petrified of even having a Palestinian guest on his show to address the lies he spews regarding the conflict?

Are we supposed to think this guy is impartial? He’s clearly not, so why do we care what he has to say again?

I guess we shouldn't take Noam Chomsky's and Bernie Sanders's views seriously either then.

I don’t know what the PP is, but I’m the Palestinian person who’s been commenting on this thread and I completely disagree regarding Jewish ancestry being why Bill Maher is the way that he is and I would not use that for anyone because frankly, the people who I admire the most speaking out about this are Jewish and the most repugnant, are not.

I don’t like anyone using someone’s religion as a cudgel for their view. This is about Zionism and if you’re one of these people trying to conflate that with Judaism, it’s you who hurts Jewish people the most, not me.

I was in tears watching all of those Jewish people at the stock exchange protesting. How anyone could think I hate people for being Jewish because they themselves are such rabid Zionists trying to defend the slaughter of my people for 76 years using their own hate, racism and bigotry the way Maher has, is beyond me.

Yes, this. But my son is a news editor on his school paper and just told me there is a student opinion piece that will run in the next issue that is trying to make the case that using the term "Zionist" is antisemitic which appears to me another angle for stirring up a hornets nest of antisemitism accusations.

Oh, I know about the attempt to conflate the terms. If Zionist Jews in particular, think that's going to make Jewish people safer, then they're in denial about what is happening. Long before last year, I've been telling Zionist Jews (because I don't even give a damn about the Non-Jewish ones who are pathetic and agenda-driven on an entirely other level), that it won't be a single Palestinian or Muslim or Arab who hurts Israel, it will be them. When it's becoming more and more associated with censorship and silencing all criticism of Israel to the point we have actual laws violating the first amendment of Americans, then how can one be so obtuse as to blame anyone but themselves if their religion is then associated with censorship due to due a supremacist ideology?

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Anonymous wrote:Why should anyone take Maher’s views and opinions seriously when he has Jewish ancestry and he’s petrified of even having a Palestinian guest on his show to address the lies he spews regarding the conflict?

Are we supposed to think this guy is impartial? He’s clearly not, so why do we care what he has to say again?

I guess we shouldn't take Noam Chomsky's and Bernie Sanders's views seriously either then.

I don’t know what the PP is, but I’m the Palestinian person who’s been commenting on this thread and I completely disagree regarding Jewish ancestry being why Bill Maher is the way that he is and I would not use that for anyone because frankly, the people who I admire the most speaking out about this are Jewish and the most repugnant, are not.

I don’t like anyone using someone’s religion as a cudgel for their view. This is about Zionism and if you’re one of these people trying to conflate that with Judaism, it’s you who hurts Jewish people the most, not me.

I was in tears watching all of those Jewish people at the stock exchange protesting. How anyone could think I hate people for being Jewish because they themselves are such rabid Zionists trying to defend the slaughter of my people for 76 years using their own hate, racism and bigotry the way Maher has, is beyond me.

Yes, this. But my son is a news editor on his school paper and just told me there is a student opinion piece that will run in the next issue that is trying to make the case that using the term "Zionist" is antisemitic which appears to me another angle for stirring up a hornets nest of antisemitism accusations.

Oh, I know about the attempt to conflate the terms. If Zionist Jews in particular, think that's going to make Jewish people safer, then they're in denial about what is happening. Long before last year, I've been telling Zionist Jews (because I don't even give a damn about the Non-Jewish ones who are pathetic and agenda-driven on an entirely other level), that it won't be a single Palestinian or Muslim or Arab who hurts Israel, it will be them. When it's becoming more and more associated with censorship and silencing all criticism of Israel to the point we have actual laws violating the first amendment of Americans, then how can one be so obtuse as to blame anyone but themselves if their religion is then associated with censorship due to due a supremacist ideology?

What is Zionism to you specifically? Because Jews generally define it only as believing Israel has a right to exist. It doesn't mean agreeing with all or even any part of Netanyahu's current actions.

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To my read of the original meaning Zionism is the view that there should be a Jewish state across the land that is Israel as well as the West Bank, Gaza and Lebanon.

I also think there is an element of the view that it’s okay to kill, maime, and slaughter in a disproportionate attack on others. And an unwillingness to accept that fact that by establishing Israel there was harm done to others.

Maybe there is a different term? Not sure what to use in its place. Have any suggestions? I certainly am not anti Jewish. I am also not anti Israeli. I am anti anyone who think what Israel is doing is ok.

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Anonymous wrote:To my read of the original meaning Zionism is the view that there should be a Jewish state across the land that is Israel as well as the West Bank, Gaza and Lebanon.

I also think there is an element of the view that it’s okay to kill, maime, and slaughter in a disproportionate attack on others. And an unwillingness to accept that fact that by establishing Israel there was harm done to others.

Maybe there is a different term? Not sure what to use in its place. Have any suggestions? I certainly am not anti Jewish. I am also not anti Israeli. I am anti anyone who think what Israel is doing is ok.

I'd use nothing as an epithet and just call people out on their actual positions once they make them known. Zionism is just belief in a Jewish homeland the vast majority of Jews share. It doesn't indicate a specific position on the conflict at all. Imo it's jarring to see it used as a slur and it makes people less willing to engage.

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Anonymous wrote:To my read of the original meaning Zionism is the view that there should be a Jewish state across the land that is Israel as well as the West Bank, Gaza and Lebanon.

I also think there is an element of the view that it’s okay to kill, maime, and slaughter in a disproportionate attack on others. And an unwillingness to accept that fact that by establishing Israel there was harm done to others.

Maybe there is a different term? Not sure what to use in its place. Have any suggestions? I certainly am not anti Jewish. I am also not anti Israeli. I am anti anyone who think what Israel is doing is ok.

I'd use nothing as an epithet and just call people out on their actual positions once they make them known. Zionism is just belief in a Jewish homeland the vast majority of Jews share. It doesn't indicate a specific position on the conflict at all. Imo it's jarring to see it used as a slur and it makes people less willing to engage.

You're "just calling for a jewish homeland" meaning a jewish majority state in a place where there was an arab majority until 1948. only way that is going to happen is through ethnic cleansing. and israel is still taking part in ethnic cleansing and occupation. that is why its used a slur.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should anyone take Maher’s views and opinions seriously when he has Jewish ancestry and he’s petrified of even having a Palestinian guest on his show to address the lies he spews regarding the conflict?

Are we supposed to think this guy is impartial? He’s clearly not, so why do we care what he has to say again?

I guess we shouldn't take Noam Chomsky's and Bernie Sanders's views seriously either then.

I don’t know what the PP is, but I’m the Palestinian person who’s been commenting on this thread and I completely disagree regarding Jewish ancestry being why Bill Maher is the way that he is and I would not use that for anyone because frankly, the people who I admire the most speaking out about this are Jewish and the most repugnant, are not.

I don’t like anyone using someone’s religion as a cudgel for their view. This is about Zionism and if you’re one of these people trying to conflate that with Judaism, it’s you who hurts Jewish people the most, not me.

I was in tears watching all of those Jewish people at the stock exchange protesting. How anyone could think I hate people for being Jewish because they themselves are such rabid Zionists trying to defend the slaughter of my people for 76 years using their own hate, racism and bigotry the way Maher has, is beyond me.

Yes, this. But my son is a news editor on his school paper and just told me there is a student opinion piece that will run in the next issue that is trying to make the case that using the term "Zionist" is antisemitic which appears to me another angle for stirring up a hornets nest of antisemitism accusations.

Oh, I know about the attempt to conflate the terms. If Zionist Jews in particular, think that's going to make Jewish people safer, then they're in denial about what is happening. Long before last year, I've been telling Zionist Jews (because I don't even give a damn about the Non-Jewish ones who are pathetic and agenda-driven on an entirely other level), that it won't be a single Palestinian or Muslim or Arab who hurts Israel, it will be them. When it's becoming more and more associated with censorship and silencing all criticism of Israel to the point we have actual laws violating the first amendment of Americans, then how can one be so obtuse as to blame anyone but themselves if their religion is then associated with censorship due to due a supremacist ideology?

What is Zionism to you specifically? Because Jews generally define it only as believing Israel has a right to exist. It doesn't mean agreeing with all or even any part of Netanyahu's current actions.

For years, overusing the words "right to exist" to elicit an emotional response never fazed me, and I would have agreed with what you BELIEVE is Zionism's true aim (spoiler alert: it's not about a right to exist, but about a pathological mission to subjugate others to its will - literally no different than radical Islamism).

Over the past year, my views have changed and I now no longer think that Israel has a RIGHT to exist. No nation has an unconditional RIGHT to exist, including the U.S. and the sooner people start actually reflecting on history, the better.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should anyone take Maher’s views and opinions seriously when he has Jewish ancestry and he’s petrified of even having a Palestinian guest on his show to address the lies he spews regarding the conflict?

Are we supposed to think this guy is impartial? He’s clearly not, so why do we care what he has to say again?

I guess we shouldn't take Noam Chomsky's and Bernie Sanders's views seriously either then.

When have Chomsky or Sanders avoided debate? Do you hear how dumb you are?

You've said that we can't take Maher's views and opinions about Israel seriously because he has Jewish ancestry. That should go for anyone with Jewish ancestry.
Just being logical.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should anyone take Maher’s views and opinions seriously when he has Jewish ancestry and he’s petrified of even having a Palestinian guest on his show to address the lies he spews regarding the conflict?

Are we supposed to think this guy is impartial? He’s clearly not, so why do we care what he has to say again?

I guess we shouldn't take Noam Chomsky's and Bernie Sanders's views seriously either then.

I don’t know what the PP is, but I’m the Palestinian person who’s been commenting on this thread and I completely disagree regarding Jewish ancestry being why Bill Maher is the way that he is and I would not use that for anyone because frankly, the people who I admire the most speaking out about this are Jewish and the most repugnant, are not.

I don’t like anyone using someone’s religion as a cudgel for their view. This is about Zionism and if you’re one of these people trying to conflate that with Judaism, it’s you who hurts Jewish people the most, not me.

I was in tears watching all of those Jewish people at the stock exchange protesting. How anyone could think I hate people for being Jewish because they themselves are such rabid Zionists trying to defend the slaughter of my people for 76 years using their own hate, racism and bigotry the way Maher has, is beyond me.

Yes, this. But my son is a news editor on his school paper and just told me there is a student opinion piece that will run in the next issue that is trying to make the case that using the term "Zionist" is antisemitic which appears to me another angle for stirring up a hornets nest of antisemitism accusations.

Oh, I know about the attempt to conflate the terms. If Zionist Jews in particular, think that's going to make Jewish people safer, then they're in denial about what is happening. Long before last year, I've been telling Zionist Jews (because I don't even give a damn about the Non-Jewish ones who are pathetic and agenda-driven on an entirely other level), that it won't be a single Palestinian or Muslim or Arab who hurts Israel, it will be them. When it's becoming more and more associated with censorship and silencing all criticism of Israel to the point we have actual laws violating the first amendment of Americans, then how can one be so obtuse as to blame anyone but themselves if their religion is then associated with censorship due to due a supremacist ideology?

What is Zionism to you specifically? Because Jews generally define it only as believing Israel has a right to exist. It doesn't mean agreeing with all or even any part of Netanyahu's current actions.

For years, overusing the words "right to exist" to elicit an emotional response never fazed me, and I would have agreed with what you BELIEVE is Zionism's true aim (spoiler alert: it's not about a right to exist, but about a pathological mission to subjugate others to its will - literally no different than radical Islamism).

Over the past year, my views have changed and I now no longer think that Israel has a RIGHT to exist. No nation has an unconditional RIGHT to exist, including the U.S. and the sooner people start actually reflecting on history, the better.

Many countries exist due to war, contest and worse. People do (rightfully!) question that, but nobody ever says these countries need to be wiped off the map. That's why "right to exist" even needs to be said at all. You are holding Israel to a different standard than the entire world.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should anyone take Maher’s views and opinions seriously when he has Jewish ancestry and he’s petrified of even having a Palestinian guest on his show to address the lies he spews regarding the conflict?

Are we supposed to think this guy is impartial? He’s clearly not, so why do we care what he has to say again?

I guess we shouldn't take Noam Chomsky's and Bernie Sanders's views seriously either then.

I don’t know what the PP is, but I’m the Palestinian person who’s been commenting on this thread and I completely disagree regarding Jewish ancestry being why Bill Maher is the way that he is and I would not use that for anyone because frankly, the people who I admire the most speaking out about this are Jewish and the most repugnant, are not.

I don’t like anyone using someone’s religion as a cudgel for their view. This is about Zionism and if you’re one of these people trying to conflate that with Judaism, it’s you who hurts Jewish people the most, not me.

I was in tears watching all of those Jewish people at the stock exchange protesting. How anyone could think I hate people for being Jewish because they themselves are such rabid Zionists trying to defend the slaughter of my people for 76 years using their own hate, racism and bigotry the way Maher has, is beyond me.

Yes, this. But my son is a news editor on his school paper and just told me there is a student opinion piece that will run in the next issue that is trying to make the case that using the term "Zionist" is antisemitic which appears to me another angle for stirring up a hornets nest of antisemitism accusations.

Oh, I know about the attempt to conflate the terms. If Zionist Jews in particular, think that's going to make Jewish people safer, then they're in denial about what is happening. Long before last year, I've been telling Zionist Jews (because I don't even give a damn about the Non-Jewish ones who are pathetic and agenda-driven on an entirely other level), that it won't be a single Palestinian or Muslim or Arab who hurts Israel, it will be them. When it's becoming more and more associated with censorship and silencing all criticism of Israel to the point we have actual laws violating the first amendment of Americans, then how can one be so obtuse as to blame anyone but themselves if their religion is then associated with censorship due to due a supremacist ideology?

What is Zionism to you specifically? Because Jews generally define it only as believing Israel has a right to exist. It doesn't mean agreeing with all or even any part of Netanyahu's current actions.

For years, overusing the words "right to exist" to elicit an emotional response never fazed me, and I would have agreed with what you BELIEVE is Zionism's true aim (spoiler alert: it's not about a right to exist, but about a pathological mission to subjugate others to its will - literally no different than radical Islamism).

Over the past year, my views have changed and I now no longer think that Israel has a RIGHT to exist. No nation has an unconditional RIGHT to exist, including the U.S. and the sooner people start actually reflecting on history, the better.

Many countries exist due to war, contest and worse. People do (rightfully!) question that, but nobody ever says these countries need to be wiped off the map. That's why "right to exist" even needs to be said at all. You are holding Israel to a different standard than the entire world.

That’s hat the Nazi said.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should anyone take Maher’s views and opinions seriously when he has Jewish ancestry and he’s petrified of even having a Palestinian guest on his show to address the lies he spews regarding the conflict?

Are we supposed to think this guy is impartial? He’s clearly not, so why do we care what he has to say again?

I guess we shouldn't take Noam Chomsky's and Bernie Sanders's views seriously either then.

I don’t know what the PP is, but I’m the Palestinian person who’s been commenting on this thread and I completely disagree regarding Jewish ancestry being why Bill Maher is the way that he is and I would not use that for anyone because frankly, the people who I admire the most speaking out about this are Jewish and the most repugnant, are not.

I don’t like anyone using someone’s religion as a cudgel for their view. This is about Zionism and if you’re one of these people trying to conflate that with Judaism, it’s you who hurts Jewish people the most, not me.

I was in tears watching all of those Jewish people at the stock exchange protesting. How anyone could think I hate people for being Jewish because they themselves are such rabid Zionists trying to defend the slaughter of my people for 76 years using their own hate, racism and bigotry the way Maher has, is beyond me.

Yes, this. But my son is a news editor on his school paper and just told me there is a student opinion piece that will run in the next issue that is trying to make the case that using the term "Zionist" is antisemitic which appears to me another angle for stirring up a hornets nest of antisemitism accusations.

Oh, I know about the attempt to conflate the terms. If Zionist Jews in particular, think that's going to make Jewish people safer, then they're in denial about what is happening. Long before last year, I've been telling Zionist Jews (because I don't even give a damn about the Non-Jewish ones who are pathetic and agenda-driven on an entirely other level), that it won't be a single Palestinian or Muslim or Arab who hurts Israel, it will be them. When it's becoming more and more associated with censorship and silencing all criticism of Israel to the point we have actual laws violating the first amendment of Americans, then how can one be so obtuse as to blame anyone but themselves if their religion is then associated with censorship due to due a supremacist ideology?

What is Zionism to you specifically? Because Jews generally define it only as believing Israel has a right to exist. It doesn't mean agreeing with all or even any part of Netanyahu's current actions.

The "right to exist" garbage is based on denying the right to exist for Palestinians. To engage in revisionist history to nullify the very existence of people and to emulate everything Nazis did to Jews (don't bother denying this knowing full-well I can pull up quotes from countless Knesset members and former US STATE DEPT officials who sound no different from the Nazis, to go along with the evils committed by Zionists under the eye of soldiers, on the WB alone).

Zionism is not some simplistic, innocuous right for Jews to exist. If you actually and truly cared about what it meant from its inception, you would acknowledge how it arrived TO Palestine. Have you ever actually read the quotes of the founders of Zionism? You want to tell yourself Zionists weren't the ones to introduce terrorism to Palestine.

When have you ever seen an Israeli told "well, you voted for it" regarding Oct 7, when they're the ones who actually vote for current day terrorists and have, since the beginning? You tell Palestinians they voted for Hamas when most of them COULDN'T have. You can't accept how they even got elected.

Zionism is done because it is conflated with supremacy. Zionism is telling me I can't wear my grandfather's scarf because it's "antisemitic." Imagine the audacity of telling me I can't wear a scarf older than that ETHNOstate.


There is nothing remotely normal about an ideology that thinks Bill Ackman has more right on that land than the generations of my family.

You know how most see Zionism now?:

Said in a LONG ISLAND ACCENT:

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Anonymous wrote:Why should anyone take Maher’s views and opinions seriously when he has Jewish ancestry and he’s petrified of even having a Palestinian guest on his show to address the lies he spews regarding the conflict?

Are we supposed to think this guy is impartial? He’s clearly not, so why do we care what he has to say again?

I guess we shouldn't take Noam Chomsky's and Bernie Sanders's views seriously either then.

I don’t know what the PP is, but I’m the Palestinian person who’s been commenting on this thread and I completely disagree regarding Jewish ancestry being why Bill Maher is the way that he is and I would not use that for anyone because frankly, the people who I admire the most speaking out about this are Jewish and the most repugnant, are not.

I don’t like anyone using someone’s religion as a cudgel for their view. This is about Zionism and if you’re one of these people trying to conflate that with Judaism, it’s you who hurts Jewish people the most, not me.

I was in tears watching all of those Jewish people at the stock exchange protesting. How anyone could think I hate people for being Jewish because they themselves are such rabid Zionists trying to defend the slaughter of my people for 76 years using their own hate, racism and bigotry the way Maher has, is beyond me.

Yes, this. But my son is a news editor on his school paper and just told me there is a student opinion piece that will run in the next issue that is trying to make the case that using the term "Zionist" is antisemitic which appears to me another angle for stirring up a hornets nest of antisemitism accusations.

Oh, I know about the attempt to conflate the terms. If Zionist Jews in particular, think that's going to make Jewish people safer, then they're in denial about what is happening. Long before last year, I've been telling Zionist Jews (because I don't even give a damn about the Non-Jewish ones who are pathetic and agenda-driven on an entirely other level), that it won't be a single Palestinian or Muslim or Arab who hurts Israel, it will be them. When it's becoming more and more associated with censorship and silencing all criticism of Israel to the point we have actual laws violating the first amendment of Americans, then how can one be so obtuse as to blame anyone but themselves if their religion is then associated with censorship due to due a supremacist ideology?

What is Zionism to you specifically? Because Jews generally define it only as believing Israel has a right to exist. It doesn't mean agreeing with all or even any part of Netanyahu's current actions.

For years, overusing the words "right to exist" to elicit an emotional response never fazed me, and I would have agreed with what you BELIEVE is Zionism's true aim (spoiler alert: it's not about a right to exist, but about a pathological mission to subjugate others to its will - literally no different than radical Islamism).

Over the past year, my views have changed and I now no longer think that Israel has a RIGHT to exist. No nation has an unconditional RIGHT to exist, including the U.S. and the sooner people start actually reflecting on history, the better.

Many countries exist due to war, contest and worse. People do (rightfully!) question that, but nobody ever says these countries need to be wiped off the map. That's why "right to exist" even needs to be said at all. You are holding Israel to a different standard than the entire world.

That’s hat the Nazi said.

Germany still exists. When did you or anyone call for the end of Germany because of Nazism?

[Anonymous]

Another example of Zionism with video:

"They’re offering boat tours in Israel off the coast of Gaza to watch it get bombed and to see the place where they plan to build new settlements? "

https://www.reddit.com/r/JewsOfConscience/comments/1fmq5n6/theyre_offering_boat_tours_in_israel_off_the/

[Anonymous]

Hamas exists because Israel was never serious about peace. If I have to actually explain why, then that's why you're angry at younger people like this woman on French TV giving a Zionist a history lesson. The PA was serious about negotiations, Israel couldn't have that happen:

You think she'd ever get invited on Maher or is importing "experts" only reserved for trash like Douglas Murray?

https://x.com/SholaMos1/status/1846208891526230139

[Anonymous]

Did anyone mention this when it happened back in May?

GOP reps want same benefits for Americans serving in Israel army

IDF soldiers would get same protections as those serving in US National Guard or Reserves

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/americans-serving-in-israeli-army/