TJ Admissions

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When they changed the testing service to Quant Q, the idea was that they would have a proprietary test noone knew what the test looked like that first year but by the second year some organizations had feedback about the types of questions and the test format that allowed them to prepare their students better and this led to a jump in admissions for about one year before everyone else else knew what the question types and test format were. Then the test was worse than useless because it was a test that would be familiar to people who paid for prep and a secret to those who did not.

Any tests of that nature are great for one year and worthless after that. Even if the prep centers hadn't received feedback on the types of questions asked, any kids with older siblings who went through the process would have a huge advantage. Do people really imagine that a kid wouldn't tell the younger sibling/cousin/friend/teammate/neighbor what types of problems are on the test? There's also the old tried and true loophole cheat. The kid just needs to be "sick" on the testing day, and then get info from friends about the types of questions asked.

Using the SHSAT or PSAT 8/9 would make much more sense. Yes, kids can prep, but prepping will only raise the score so much. Prep materials are cheap and widely available. Kids who are 99th percentile gifted will still earn high scores even without prep.

Or they could just use all those tests they give in school that I think are called grades. I get that it doesn't give wealthy people who can afford prep an edge but it might be better for everyone.

If the grades were more rigorous yes.

They are! You just need to be informed.

[Anonymous]

All these phony doom and gloom posters need to keep their eye on the prize. The new admissions process made TJ much stronger despite their false claims to the contrary. I predict this will be vindicated by amazing college outcomes post 2025.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
When they changed the testing service to Quant Q, the idea was that they would have a proprietary test noone knew what the test looked like that first year but by the second year some organizations had feedback about the types of questions and the test format that allowed them to prepare their students better and this led to a jump in admissions for about one year before everyone else else knew what the question types and test format were. Then the test was worse than useless because it was a test that would be familiar to people who paid for prep and a secret to those who did not.

Any tests of that nature are great for one year and worthless after that. Even if the prep centers hadn't received feedback on the types of questions asked, any kids with older siblings who went through the process would have a huge advantage. Do people really imagine that a kid wouldn't tell the younger sibling/cousin/friend/teammate/neighbor what types of problems are on the test? There's also the old tried and true loophole cheat. The kid just needs to be "sick" on the testing day, and then get info from friends about the types of questions asked.

Using the SHSAT or PSAT 8/9 would make much more sense. Yes, kids can prep, but prepping will only raise the score so much. Prep materials are cheap and widely available. Kids who are 99th percentile gifted will still earn high scores even without prep.

Or they could just use all those tests they give in school that I think are called grades. I get that it doesn't give wealthy people who can afford prep an edge but it might be better for everyone.

If the grades were more rigorous yes.

They are! You just need to be informed.

The majority of FCPS students get above the 3.5 cutoff needed to apply.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All these phony doom and gloom posters need to keep their eye on the prize. The new admissions process made TJ much stronger despite their false claims to the contrary. I predict this will be vindicated by amazing college outcomes post 2025.

The average SAT score is projected to drop about as much as the PSAT score dropped.
That would make TJ's average SAT score go from a 1520 to a 1400.

How does this translate into better college admissions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All these phony doom and gloom posters need to keep their eye on the prize. The new admissions process made TJ much stronger despite their false claims to the contrary. I predict this will be vindicated by amazing college outcomes post 2025.

You know they repealed affirmative action, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All these phony doom and gloom posters need to keep their eye on the prize. The new admissions process made TJ much stronger despite their false claims to the contrary. I predict this will be vindicated by amazing college outcomes post 2025.

The average SAT score is projected to drop about as much as the PSAT score dropped.
That would make TJ's average SAT score go from a 1520 to a 1400.

How does this translate into better college admissions?

Yes, there was a downturn globally after the pandemic but it's all relative. TJ is now stronger than ever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All these phony doom and gloom posters need to keep their eye on the prize. The new admissions process made TJ much stronger despite their false claims to the contrary. I predict this will be vindicated by amazing college outcomes post 2025.

You know they repealed affirmative action, right?

Exactly, and now that TJ selection is based on actual merit instead of whether your parents could afford elite prep, things are better than ever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All these phony doom and gloom posters need to keep their eye on the prize. The new admissions process made TJ much stronger despite their false claims to the contrary. I predict this will be vindicated by amazing college outcomes post 2025.

The average SAT score is projected to drop about as much as the PSAT score dropped.
That would make TJ's average SAT score go from a 1520 to a 1400.

How does this translate into better college admissions?

Yes, there was a downturn globally after the pandemic but it's all relative. TJ is now stronger than ever.

For poster that keeps replying multiple times to say TJ is better than ever, how? Is it from perspective of top 1/3? That now less stress for the top 1/3 b/c no longer whole school to compete with? If before everyone came in having already taken Algebra II and all get high test scores and grades, Larlo had every other kid to compete with. Now if 1/3 coming in just starting Geometry, Larlo is 2 years ahead in math and if 1/4 getting 1200s/Bs, Larkin 1500/As look even better. If not this, how do you see college results being better for TJ ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All these phony doom and gloom posters need to keep their eye on the prize. The new admissions process made TJ much stronger despite their false claims to the contrary. I predict this will be vindicated by amazing college outcomes post 2025.

You know they repealed affirmative action, right?

Exactly, and now that TJ selection is based on actual merit instead of whether your parents could afford elite prep, things are better than ever.

But weren’t graduation rates consistently almost 100% and there were not the transfer out rates there are now? So doesn’t that mean the kids who were accepted were capable and did succeed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All these phony doom and gloom posters need to keep their eye on the prize. The new admissions process made TJ much stronger despite their false claims to the contrary. I predict this will be vindicated by amazing college outcomes post 2025.

You know they repealed affirmative action, right?

Exactly, and now that TJ selection is based on actual merit instead of whether your parents could afford elite prep, things are better than ever.

But weren’t graduation rates consistently almost 100% and there were not the transfer out rates there are now? So doesn’t that mean the kids who were accepted were capable and did succeed?

I suspect that's because cheating is way down now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All these phony doom and gloom posters need to keep their eye on the prize. The new admissions process made TJ much stronger despite their false claims to the contrary. I predict this will be vindicated by amazing college outcomes post 2025.

The average SAT score is projected to drop about as much as the PSAT score dropped.
That would make TJ's average SAT score go from a 1520 to a 1400.

How does this translate into better college admissions?

Yes, there was a downturn globally after the pandemic but it's all relative. TJ is now stronger than ever.

For poster that keeps replying multiple times to say TJ is better than ever, how? Is it from perspective of top 1/3? That now less stress for the top 1/3 b/c no longer whole school to compete with? If before everyone came in having already taken Algebra II and all get high test scores and grades, Larlo had every other kid to compete with. Now if 1/3 coming in just starting Geometry, Larlo is 2 years ahead in math and if 1/4 getting 1200s/Bs, Larkin 1500/As look even better. If not this, how do you see college results being better for TJ ?

The bottom 1/3 are not getting Bs, but Cs and Ds, and reluctant to enroll in anything more than minimum required Calc AB, while top students are enrolling in two or three levels higher than that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All these phony doom and gloom posters need to keep their eye on the prize. The new admissions process made TJ much stronger despite their false claims to the contrary. I predict this will be vindicated by amazing college outcomes post 2025.

The average SAT score is projected to drop about as much as the PSAT score dropped.
That would make TJ's average SAT score go from a 1520 to a 1400.

How does this translate into better college admissions?

Yes, there was a downturn globally after the pandemic but it's all relative. TJ is now stronger than ever.

For poster that keeps replying multiple times to say TJ is better than ever, how? Is it from perspective of top 1/3? That now less stress for the top 1/3 b/c no longer whole school to compete with? If before everyone came in having already taken Algebra II and all get high test scores and grades, Larlo had every other kid to compete with. Now if 1/3 coming in just starting Geometry, Larlo is 2 years ahead in math and if 1/4 getting 1200s/Bs, Larkin 1500/As look even better. If not this, how do you see college results being better for TJ ?

The bottom 1/3 are not getting Bs, but Cs and Ds, and reluctant to enroll in anything more than minimum required Calc AB, while top students are enrolling in two or three levels higher than that.

The second part of what you said is irrelevant, but you're going to need to show your work on the first part.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All these phony doom and gloom posters need to keep their eye on the prize. The new admissions process made TJ much stronger despite their false claims to the contrary. I predict this will be vindicated by amazing college outcomes post 2025.

The average SAT score is projected to drop about as much as the PSAT score dropped.
That would make TJ's average SAT score go from a 1520 to a 1400.

How does this translate into better college admissions?

Yes, there was a downturn globally after the pandemic but it's all relative. TJ is now stronger than ever.

That drop came in fall of 2023. Why wasn't there a drop in 2020, 2021 and 2022?
Trying to tie 2023 tests scores to the 2020-2021 pandemic when there wasn't a drop in 2020, 2021 or 2022 makes you look silly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All these phony doom and gloom posters need to keep their eye on the prize. The new admissions process made TJ much stronger despite their false claims to the contrary. I predict this will be vindicated by amazing college outcomes post 2025.

You know they repealed affirmative action, right?

Exactly, and now that TJ selection is based on actual merit instead of whether your parents could afford elite prep, things are better than ever.

They've reduced merit by eliminating the SHSAT.
Whether you think testing should play a large role, the notion that it should play no role can only be held by someone who doesn't actually care about academic merit or doesn't understand testing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All these phony doom and gloom posters need to keep their eye on the prize. The new admissions process made TJ much stronger despite their false claims to the contrary. I predict this will be vindicated by amazing college outcomes post 2025.

You know they repealed affirmative action, right?

Exactly, and now that TJ selection is based on actual merit instead of whether your parents could afford elite prep, things are better than ever.

They've reduced merit by eliminating the SHSAT.
Whether you think testing should play a large role, the notion that it should play no role can only be held by someone who doesn't actually care about academic merit or doesn't understand testing.

You mean they reduced reliance on the QuantQ because more affluent families were buying access to extensive question banks which unfairly skewed selection in the favor of a few wealthy schools.