TJ Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:After admissions change, apparently students are no longer tested in middle school math, science and English? I hear they are given just one problem to solve, and asked to write character essays. And that's it. How can they evaluate and differentiate applicant skills with just one problem? Even elementary school math tests have more than one problem on a quiz.

There is one moderately difficult math question. Last year it was one of those "if a train leaves chicago at 2 pm" type questions.
They end up with something approximating a cross section of the applicant pool.
A lot of students return to their base school.
If you look at the demographics of the graduating class, it is still more diverse than in previous COVID years but not nearly as diverse as the freshman classes.

before and even after admissions change, the top half with higher GPA and rigorous courses is still dominated by same ethnicity. Diversity is all in lower half. Why?

This wasn't really true before the admissions change.

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Anonymous wrote:After admissions change, apparently students are no longer tested in middle school math, science and English? I hear they are given just one problem to solve, and asked to write character essays. And that's it. How can they evaluate and differentiate applicant skills with just one problem? Even elementary school math tests have more than one problem on a quiz.

There is one moderately difficult math question. Last year it was one of those "if a train leaves chicago at 2 pm" type questions.
They end up with something approximating a cross section of the applicant pool.
A lot of students return to their base school.
If you look at the demographics of the graduating class, it is still more diverse than in previous COVID years but not nearly as diverse as the freshman classes.

before and even after admissions change, the top half with higher GPA and rigorous courses is still dominated by same ethnicity. Diversity is all in lower half. Why?

This is true at many schools.
Now it is true at TJ too.

This is a democracy and SCOTUS refused to hear the case.
Just like we tell other people to study harder, I would tell asians, get more political.
Once you are politically relevant, your children will be too.

Getting more political may or may not be a good idea - but better reading comprehension would definitely be!

Asians are still the largest demographic and the majority of TJ students and the largest beneficiaries of the changes were low-income Asians. Nevertheless, admissions reflect applications and applications reflect interest. The various demographics groups were admitted within 1% or 2% point difference which indicates the race-blind process is indeed race blind. Bottom line is this program has greater appeal for Asians. Other groups don't appear to be as keen on it.

The largest demographic beneficiaries were white kids.

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Anonymous wrote:After admissions change, apparently students are no longer tested in middle school math, science and English? I hear they are given just one problem to solve, and asked to write character essays. And that's it. How can they evaluate and differentiate applicant skills with just one problem? Even elementary school math tests have more than one problem on a quiz.

There is one moderately difficult math question. Last year it was one of those "if a train leaves chicago at 2 pm" type questions.
They end up with something approximating a cross section of the applicant pool.
A lot of students return to their base school.
If you look at the demographics of the graduating class, it is still more diverse than in previous COVID years but not nearly as diverse as the freshman classes.

before and even after admissions change, the top half with higher GPA and rigorous courses is still dominated by same ethnicity. Diversity is all in lower half. Why?

This is true at many schools.
Now it is true at TJ too.

This is a democracy and SCOTUS refused to hear the case.
Just like we tell other people to study harder, I would tell asians, get more political.
Once you are politically relevant, your children will be too.

Getting more political may or may not be a good idea - but better reading comprehension would definitely be!

Asians are still the largest demographic and the majority of TJ students and the largest beneficiaries of the changes were low-income Asians. Nevertheless, admissions reflect applications and applications reflect interest. The various demographics groups were admitted within 1% or 2% point difference which indicates the race-blind process is indeed race blind. Bottom line is this program has greater appeal for Asians. Other groups don't appear to be as keen on it.

The largest demographic beneficiaries were white kids.

white kids are a majority in the county so that's not terribly surprising.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:After admissions change, apparently students are no longer tested in middle school math, science and English? I hear they are given just one problem to solve, and asked to write character essays. And that's it. How can they evaluate and differentiate applicant skills with just one problem? Even elementary school math tests have more than one problem on a quiz.

There is one moderately difficult math question. Last year it was one of those "if a train leaves chicago at 2 pm" type questions.
They end up with something approximating a cross section of the applicant pool.
A lot of students return to their base school.
If you look at the demographics of the graduating class, it is still more diverse than in previous COVID years but not nearly as diverse as the freshman classes.

before and even after admissions change, the top half with higher GPA and rigorous courses is still dominated by same ethnicity. Diversity is all in lower half. Why?

This is true at many schools.
Now it is true at TJ too.

This is a democracy and SCOTUS refused to hear the case.
Just like we tell other people to study harder, I would tell asians, get more political.
Once you are politically relevant, your children will be too.

Getting more political may or may not be a good idea - but better reading comprehension would definitely be!

Asians are still the largest demographic and the majority of TJ students and the largest beneficiaries of the changes were low-income Asians. Nevertheless, admissions reflect applications and applications reflect interest. The various demographics groups were admitted within 1% or 2% point difference which indicates the race-blind process is indeed race blind. Bottom line is this program has greater appeal for Asians. Other groups don't appear to be as keen on it.

The largest demographic beneficiaries were white kids.

On average, classes have had ~27 more white students and ~60 more URMs, which was a huge % increase, more than 200% jump.



More importantly, we’ve seen representation from all middle schools and kids from lower-income families. In fact, per the courts, the students who benefited the most were Asian from low-income families.
https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/221280.P.pdf pg 16
"Nevertheless, in the 2021 application cycle, Asian American students attending middle schools historically underrepresented at TJ saw a sixfold increase in offers, and the number of low-income Asian American admittees to TJ increased to 51 — from a mere one in 2020."

TJ is not just a school for wealthy kids from feeder schools. Or wealthy kids who gained an unfair advantage because their families could afford to get access to previous test questions on an NDA-protected test.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:After admissions change, apparently students are no longer tested in middle school math, science and English? I hear they are given just one problem to solve, and asked to write character essays. And that's it. How can they evaluate and differentiate applicant skills with just one problem? Even elementary school math tests have more than one problem on a quiz.

There is one moderately difficult math question. Last year it was one of those "if a train leaves chicago at 2 pm" type questions.
They end up with something approximating a cross section of the applicant pool.
A lot of students return to their base school.
If you look at the demographics of the graduating class, it is still more diverse than in previous COVID years but not nearly as diverse as the freshman classes.

before and even after admissions change, the top half with higher GPA and rigorous courses is still dominated by same ethnicity. Diversity is all in lower half. Why?

This is true at many schools.
Now it is true at TJ too.

This is a democracy and SCOTUS refused to hear the case.
Just like we tell other people to study harder, I would tell asians, get more political.
Once you are politically relevant, your children will be too.

Getting more political may or may not be a good idea - but better reading comprehension would definitely be!

Asians are still the largest demographic and the majority of TJ students and the largest beneficiaries of the changes were low-income Asians. Nevertheless, admissions reflect applications and applications reflect interest. The various demographics groups were admitted within 1% or 2% point difference which indicates the race-blind process is indeed race blind. Bottom line is this program has greater appeal for Asians. Other groups don't appear to be as keen on it.

The largest demographic beneficiaries were white kids.

white kids are a majority in the county so that's not terribly surprising.

PP. I agree. Choosing a cross section of the applicant pool will help the largest group the most.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:After admissions change, apparently students are no longer tested in middle school math, science and English? I hear they are given just one problem to solve, and asked to write character essays. And that's it. How can they evaluate and differentiate applicant skills with just one problem? Even elementary school math tests have more than one problem on a quiz.

There is one moderately difficult math question. Last year it was one of those "if a train leaves chicago at 2 pm" type questions.
They end up with something approximating a cross section of the applicant pool.
A lot of students return to their base school.
If you look at the demographics of the graduating class, it is still more diverse than in previous COVID years but not nearly as diverse as the freshman classes.

before and even after admissions change, the top half with higher GPA and rigorous courses is still dominated by same ethnicity. Diversity is all in lower half. Why?

This is true at many schools.
Now it is true at TJ too.

This is a democracy and SCOTUS refused to hear the case.
Just like we tell other people to study harder, I would tell asians, get more political.
Once you are politically relevant, your children will be too.

Getting more political may or may not be a good idea - but better reading comprehension would definitely be!

Asians are still the largest demographic and the majority of TJ students and the largest beneficiaries of the changes were low-income Asians. Nevertheless, admissions reflect applications and applications reflect interest. The various demographics groups were admitted within 1% or 2% point difference which indicates the race-blind process is indeed race blind. Bottom line is this program has greater appeal for Asians. Other groups don't appear to be as keen on it.

The largest demographic beneficiaries were white kids.

On average, classes have had ~27 more white students and ~60 more URMs, which was a huge % increase, more than 200% jump.



More importantly, we’ve seen representation from all middle schools and kids from lower-income families. In fact, per the courts, the students who benefited the most were Asian from low-income families.
https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/221280.P.pdf pg 16
"Nevertheless, in the 2021 application cycle, Asian American students attending middle schools historically underrepresented at TJ saw a sixfold increase in offers, and the number of low-income Asian American admittees to TJ increased to 51 — from a mere one in 2020."

TJ is not just a school for wealthy kids from feeder schools. Or wealthy kids who gained an unfair advantage because their families could afford to get access to previous test questions on an NDA-protected test.

You're messing with the data set but even with your selection, you'd have to be blind not to see the lopsided effect of the change.

If wealth were the driver, once again, white kids wouldn't need this to boost their admissions.

[Anonymous]

Wealthy? Lol

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Anonymous wrote:After admissions change, apparently students are no longer tested in middle school math, science and English? I hear they are given just one problem to solve, and asked to write character essays. And that's it. How can they evaluate and differentiate applicant skills with just one problem? Even elementary school math tests have more than one problem on a quiz.

There is one moderately difficult math question. Last year it was one of those "if a train leaves chicago at 2 pm" type questions.
They end up with something approximating a cross section of the applicant pool.
A lot of students return to their base school.
If you look at the demographics of the graduating class, it is still more diverse than in previous COVID years but not nearly as diverse as the freshman classes.

before and even after admissions change, the top half with higher GPA and rigorous courses is still dominated by same ethnicity. Diversity is all in lower half. Why?

This is true at many schools.
Now it is true at TJ too.

This is a democracy and SCOTUS refused to hear the case.
Just like we tell other people to study harder, I would tell asians, get more political.
Once you are politically relevant, your children will be too.

Getting more political may or may not be a good idea - but better reading comprehension would definitely be!

Asians are still the largest demographic and the majority of TJ students and the largest beneficiaries of the changes were low-income Asians. Nevertheless, admissions reflect applications and applications reflect interest. The various demographics groups were admitted within 1% or 2% point difference which indicates the race-blind process is indeed race blind. Bottom line is this program has greater appeal for Asians. Other groups don't appear to be as keen on it.

The largest demographic beneficiaries were white kids.

On average, classes have had ~27 more white students and ~60 more URMs, which was a huge % increase, more than 200% jump.



More importantly, we’ve seen representation from all middle schools and kids from lower-income families. In fact, per the courts, the students who benefited the most were Asian from low-income families.
https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/221280.P.pdf pg 16
"Nevertheless, in the 2021 application cycle, Asian American students attending middle schools historically underrepresented at TJ saw a sixfold increase in offers, and the number of low-income Asian American admittees to TJ increased to 51 — from a mere one in 2020."

TJ is not just a school for wealthy kids from feeder schools. Or wealthy kids who gained an unfair advantage because their families could afford to get access to previous test questions on an NDA-protected test.

Thanks for clearing this up!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:After admissions change, apparently students are no longer tested in middle school math, science and English? I hear they are given just one problem to solve, and asked to write character essays. And that's it. How can they evaluate and differentiate applicant skills with just one problem? Even elementary school math tests have more than one problem on a quiz.

There is one moderately difficult math question. Last year it was one of those "if a train leaves chicago at 2 pm" type questions.
They end up with something approximating a cross section of the applicant pool.
A lot of students return to their base school.
If you look at the demographics of the graduating class, it is still more diverse than in previous COVID years but not nearly as diverse as the freshman classes.

before and even after admissions change, the top half with higher GPA and rigorous courses is still dominated by same ethnicity. Diversity is all in lower half. Why?

This is true at many schools.
Now it is true at TJ too.

This is a democracy and SCOTUS refused to hear the case.
Just like we tell other people to study harder, I would tell asians, get more political.
Once you are politically relevant, your children will be too.

Getting more political may or may not be a good idea - but better reading comprehension would definitely be!

Asians are still the largest demographic and the majority of TJ students and the largest beneficiaries of the changes were low-income Asians. Nevertheless, admissions reflect applications and applications reflect interest. The various demographics groups were admitted within 1% or 2% point difference which indicates the race-blind process is indeed race blind. Bottom line is this program has greater appeal for Asians. Other groups don't appear to be as keen on it.

The largest demographic beneficiaries were white kids.

On average, classes have had ~27 more white students and ~60 more URMs, which was a huge % increase, more than 200% jump.



More importantly, we’ve seen representation from all middle schools and kids from lower-income families. In fact, per the courts, the students who benefited the most were Asian from low-income families.
https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/221280.P.pdf pg 16
"Nevertheless, in the 2021 application cycle, Asian American students attending middle schools historically underrepresented at TJ saw a sixfold increase in offers, and the number of low-income Asian American admittees to TJ increased to 51 — from a mere one in 2020."

TJ is not just a school for wealthy kids from feeder schools. Or wealthy kids who gained an unfair advantage because their families could afford to get access to previous test questions on an NDA-protected test.

You're messing with the data set but even with your selection, you'd have to be blind not to see the lopsided effect of the change.

If wealth were the driver, once again, white kids wouldn't need this to boost their admissions.

It’s not just wealth. It’s wealth plus laser focus on STEM/TJ.

Most white kids DGAF about TJ.

[Anonymous]

On this forum, "wealthy" appears to be a veiled reference to middle-class Asians who spend on academic enrichment rather than on sports like basketball, soccer, or baseball, unlike other ethnic groups?

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Anonymous wrote:On this forum, "wealthy" appears to be a veiled reference to middle-class Asians who spend on academic enrichment rather than on sports like basketball, soccer, or baseball, unlike other ethnic groups?

No, it actually refers to "wealthy".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:On this forum, "wealthy" appears to be a veiled reference to middle-class Asians who spend on academic enrichment rather than on sports like basketball, soccer, or baseball, unlike other ethnic groups?

No, it actually refers to "wealthy".

+1

We were just talking about kids from white, wealthy families.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:On this forum, "wealthy" appears to be a veiled reference to middle-class Asians who spend on academic enrichment rather than on sports like basketball, soccer, or baseball, unlike other ethnic groups?

No, it actually refers to "wealthy".

+1

We were just talking about kids from white, wealthy families.

"white" include white latin Americans and white Hispanic Americans?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:After admissions change, apparently students are no longer tested in middle school math, science and English? I hear they are given just one problem to solve, and asked to write character essays. And that's it. How can they evaluate and differentiate applicant skills with just one problem? Even elementary school math tests have more than one problem on a quiz.

There is one moderately difficult math question. Last year it was one of those "if a train leaves chicago at 2 pm" type questions.
They end up with something approximating a cross section of the applicant pool.
A lot of students return to their base school.
If you look at the demographics of the graduating class, it is still more diverse than in previous COVID years but not nearly as diverse as the freshman classes.

before and even after admissions change, the top half with higher GPA and rigorous courses is still dominated by same ethnicity. Diversity is all in lower half. Why?

This is true at many schools.
Now it is true at TJ too.

This is a democracy and SCOTUS refused to hear the case.
Just like we tell other people to study harder, I would tell asians, get more political.
Once you are politically relevant, your children will be too.

Getting more political may or may not be a good idea - but better reading comprehension would definitely be!

Asians are still the largest demographic and the majority of TJ students and the largest beneficiaries of the changes were low-income Asians. Nevertheless, admissions reflect applications and applications reflect interest. The various demographics groups were admitted within 1% or 2% point difference which indicates the race-blind process is indeed race blind. Bottom line is this program has greater appeal for Asians. Other groups don't appear to be as keen on it.

The largest demographic beneficiaries were white kids.

On average, classes have had ~27 more white students and ~60 more URMs, which was a huge % increase, more than 200% jump.



More importantly, we’ve seen representation from all middle schools and kids from lower-income families. In fact, per the courts, the students who benefited the most were Asian from low-income families.
https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/221280.P.pdf pg 16
"Nevertheless, in the 2021 application cycle, Asian American students attending middle schools historically underrepresented at TJ saw a sixfold increase in offers, and the number of low-income Asian American admittees to TJ increased to 51 — from a mere one in 2020."

TJ is not just a school for wealthy kids from feeder schools. Or wealthy kids who gained an unfair advantage because their families could afford to get access to previous test questions on an NDA-protected test.

Many of these posters hate it when the light of cold hard facts is shed on their dirty little lies. It's good to see how things are. Thank you!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:After admissions change, apparently students are no longer tested in middle school math, science and English? I hear they are given just one problem to solve, and asked to write character essays. And that's it. How can they evaluate and differentiate applicant skills with just one problem? Even elementary school math tests have more than one problem on a quiz.

There is one moderately difficult math question. Last year it was one of those "if a train leaves chicago at 2 pm" type questions.
They end up with something approximating a cross section of the applicant pool.
A lot of students return to their base school.
If you look at the demographics of the graduating class, it is still more diverse than in previous COVID years but not nearly as diverse as the freshman classes.

before and even after admissions change, the top half with higher GPA and rigorous courses is still dominated by same ethnicity. Diversity is all in lower half. Why?

This is true at many schools.
Now it is true at TJ too.

This is a democracy and SCOTUS refused to hear the case.
Just like we tell other people to study harder, I would tell asians, get more political.
Once you are politically relevant, your children will be too.

Getting more political may or may not be a good idea - but better reading comprehension would definitely be!

and learning math & science as well. But math is so difficult to master.