FCPS HS Boundary

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Anonymous wrote:They should be updating the renovation queue, not monkeying with the projections and then threatening boundary changes that very few want.

Threatening? A healthy organization checks status more often than every 50 years.

They are perfectly capable of adjusting boundaries when there is a compelling need.

People are complaining some schools are overcrowded. How is that not a compelling need to rebalance the boundaries?

Exactly. Whenever anyone complains to me, I always make sure they get exactly what they want.

Kids complain that they want a cookie, bam, compelling enough for me.

So when the Facilities Planning Advisory Council, consultants, and real communities recommend ideas for appropriate boundary adjustments but a vocal minority complains about it, guess it's fair to move foward then.

Apart from Glasgow, what other “real community” has advocated in any significant numbers for boundary adjustments recently and not been heard?

I would argue that the Shrevewood community was not heard. It argued for a boundary adjustment that would balance out the population at Shrevewood, Stenwood, Freedom Hill and maybe another ES. Instead, we are getting the unwanted Dunn Loring school. There is already capacity in nearby ES that could have handled the adjustment. I don't believe anyone at Shrevewood asked for a new ES.

Fair point, but you will get the boundary adjustment eventually. It will just be later and far more disruptive than necessary.

If they shelved the Dunn Loring school, and used that money more wisely, they’d have more credibility. Moving ahead with an unnecessary new school with suggestions they are also going to change other boundaries that no one is asking to be changed is the worst of all worlds.

This is what most of the voters chose.

There wasn't a specific referendum on Dunn Loring. Would be interesting to see how people would have voted had there been one.

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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

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-1000. As PP admits, going to a lower performing school is “less ideal”. It’s great that she is fine with her kid being in a less ideal situation, and I truly do hope it works out for her kid, but surely it is completely reasonable (more reasonable?) to want one’s kids to be in the best educational situation possible. Being willing to sacrifice your child’s education to save FC citizens a few bucks is fairly extreme libertarian thinking. I think you all are in the distinct Fairfax County minority.

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Some has no choice but to sacrifice due to county, voter and SB decisions. It is what it is. We had no say, nor should we really.

The SB is duty bound to take an unbiased look at the issues and solutions. Saying that even a CONSIDERATION (let alone a DECISION) one way or another is not tenable for you is irrelevant to the system as a whole. FCPS has to look at the big picture. You have to accept them or leave FCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:Some has no choice but to sacrifice due to county, voter and SB decisions. It is what it is. We had no say, nor should we really.

The SB is duty bound to take an unbiased look at the issues and solutions. Saying that even a CONSIDERATION (let alone a DECISION) one way or another is not tenable for you is irrelevant to the system as a whole. FCPS has to look at the big picture. You have to accept them or leave FCPS.

Ha, gotta love how you attempt to somehow make it a patriotic duty to send your kids to a mediocre school, and assert that no one has a right to advocate against dumb SB decisions.

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Anonymous wrote:Some has no choice but to sacrifice due to county, voter and SB decisions. It is what it is. We had no say, nor should we really.

The SB is duty bound to take an unbiased look at the issues and solutions. Saying that even a CONSIDERATION (let alone a DECISION) one way or another is not tenable for you is irrelevant to the system as a whole. FCPS has to look at the big picture. You have to accept them or leave FCPS.

Ha, gotta love how you attempt to somehow make it a patriotic duty to send your kids to a mediocre school, and assert that no one has a right to advocate against dumb SB decisions.

Stupid is going to celebrate stupid.

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People, there isn't going to be some massive county-wide boundary change. It's just the same troll spinning you all up because SHE wants to redistrict certain kids to different schools. Not HER kids, mind you. YOUR kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Some has no choice but to sacrifice due to county, voter and SB decisions. It is what it is. We had no say, nor should we really.

The SB is duty bound to take an unbiased look at the issues and solutions. Saying that even a CONSIDERATION (let alone a DECISION) one way or another is not tenable for you is irrelevant to the system as a whole. FCPS has to look at the big picture. You have to accept them or leave FCPS.

Ha, gotta love how you attempt to somehow make it a patriotic duty to send your kids to a mediocre school, and assert that no one has a right to advocate against dumb SB decisions.

You always spin things into the story that aren’t there. It is not a patriotic duty to send your kids to public schools. That was never said, and I do not feel that way. I attended both public and private schools. They each had their strong suits.

FCPS has to look at all communities and try to do what is best for all of them not just yours. It is difficult given the way the county has developed, poor implementation of certain practices, the wealth disparity, the number of ESL and SPED students, etc. Not everyone will be happy with whatever changes are made. That’s a fact. You may like some of the changes, but hate others.

If you don’t like the changes, and your money doesn’t work they you want with the SB, you can spend them at a private school. Or maybe you’ll be able to intimidate the SB with your money and get your way, and others will have to live with that too. Fairfax County is filled with 1%ers used to getting their way, so we’re kinda used to that.

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Anonymous wrote:Some has no choice but to sacrifice due to county, voter and SB decisions. It is what it is. We had no say, nor should we really.

The SB is duty bound to take an unbiased look at the issues and solutions. Saying that even a CONSIDERATION (let alone a DECISION) one way or another is not tenable for you is irrelevant to the system as a whole. FCPS has to look at the big picture. You have to accept them or leave FCPS.

Ha, gotta love how you attempt to somehow make it a patriotic duty to send your kids to a mediocre school, and assert that no one has a right to advocate against dumb SB decisions.

You always spin things into the story that aren’t there. It is not a patriotic duty to send your kids to public schools. That was never said, and I do not feel that way. I attended both public and private schools. They each had their strong suits.

FCPS has to look at all communities and try to do what is best for all of them not just yours. It is difficult given the way the county has developed, poor implementation of certain practices, the wealth disparity, the number of ESL and SPED students, etc. Not everyone will be happy with whatever changes are made. That’s a fact. You may like some of the changes, but hate others.

If you don’t like the changes, and your money doesn’t work they you want with the SB, you can spend them at a private school. Or maybe you’ll be able to intimidate the SB with your money and get your way, and others will have to live with that too. Fairfax County is filled with 1%ers used to getting their way, so we’re kinda used to that.

This poster is a bot, right? These posts are written like some free AI chatbot write them.

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Anonymous wrote:Some has no choice but to sacrifice due to county, voter and SB decisions. It is what it is. We had no say, nor should we really.

The SB is duty bound to take an unbiased look at the issues and solutions. Saying that even a CONSIDERATION (let alone a DECISION) one way or another is not tenable for you is irrelevant to the system as a whole. FCPS has to look at the big picture. You have to accept them or leave FCPS.

That not how politics work. To the extent that the board has a duty regarding boundaries, it’s to represent their constituents.

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Let’s hear what they have to say at the work session on May 28th. Then we’ll know what we’re really dealing with and what mobilization efforts are necessary.

They have never acted in anyone’s interests but their own in the past, so why should anyone believe that tiger will change its stripes?

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Anonymous wrote:This is what most of the voters chose.

Absolutely none of the candidates ran on boundary changes. They didn't even mention it because they know it's a third rail. They (the leftists) of course have been plotting this since 2018 when they got into hot water right before an election and learned their lesson, and then the pandemic interfered with their plans, but for sure this has been in the works for a long time and I'm certain that they've already been floating maps around. They just need to ram through a policy change and then pay a consultant to come up with their preferred conclusion.

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Anonymous wrote:People, there isn't going to be some massive county-wide boundary change. It's just the same troll spinning you all up because SHE wants to redistrict certain kids to different schools. Not HER kids, mind you. YOUR kids.

Here is the draft version of the new boundary policy: https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/D39LRL5498DD/$file/P8130_CLEAN_REDLINE%2003082024.pdf

Note that they've already screwed up because they redlined the 2019 never-adopted draft version (which included socioeconomic considerations as valid reasons to move boundaries) instead of the actual current version.

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Anonymous wrote:This is what most of the voters chose.

Absolutely none of the candidates ran on boundary changes. They didn't even mention it because they know it's a third rail. They (the leftists) of course have been plotting this since 2018 when they got into hot water right before an election and learned their lesson, and then the pandemic interfered with their plans, but for sure this has been in the works for a long time and I'm certain that they've already been floating maps around. They just need to ram through a policy change and then pay a consultant to come up with their preferred conclusion.

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Anonymous wrote:Kyle McDaniel and Mateo Dunne both seem to be big fans of the “holistic review.” McDaniel lives in the Oakton district, and Oakton just got an enormous renovation and a big addition. Dunne lives in the West Potomac district, and West Potomac also just got a big addition outside the renovation queue.

It’s going to seem a tad hypocritical if they now turn around and tell others they should just expect to be redistricted pursuant to a “holistic review” if their schools are overcrowded, regardless of whether people at those schools are even asking for a boundary change, after their own schools have been generously expanded.

It would only be hypocritical if they pushed for those expansions.

It's hypocritical if they stand to benefit from expansions to which they never objected, yet now propose to treat others differently.

My kids schoolw as recently renovated. I would guess that a boundary adjustment would cause him to move to a different school that hasn't been renovated. I am fine with that. I didn't ask for the renovation at his building, I have been voting against most of the renovations because they are expanding schools when there are school that are underenrolled. They are going to rebuild a closed school that is not needed. It is a waste of money.

Renovate the schools that need renovation. Don't expand schools when there are schools with space. Boundaries should be reassessed on a regular basis to make the most efficient use of space. FCPS has not completed a boundary reassessment in ages and it needs to be done.

Are you willing to share your current school pyramid and projected realigned school pyramid? I’m guessing that you’d be trading up, which is why you are advocating for redistricting.

South Lakes. We would move to Herndon. I doubt that we would move to any of the other schools in the area because they are over crowded and would be shifting kids to other schools. Both schools have been recently renovated but that is the least of my priorities for HS. I am looking at available classes and experiences for my kid. The big change for us would be IB to AP, and I am not opposed to that. Herndon is a lower performing school the South Lakes.

I am not worried about it because I know plenty of parents who have had good experiences at Herndon. I know that we are involved parents who will be keeping an eye on our kids experience. I know that he will be in the IB/AP program at whatever school he lands at, which means he will be fine. It South Lakes and Herndon that essentially means he will be in a school within a school. I doubt that the school board will make any real changes to anything because parents at McLean and Langley and whosever would land at Liberty or Mt Vernon or other HS will throw a hissy fit and block whatever changes are recommended.

You claimed previously that your kid might be moved to an unrenovated school, but Herndon was just renovated. Very nicely, too.

In any event, given the money already poured into South Lakes to expand that school, you’re happy to say you’re willing to be redistricted when you know it’s really others more likely to get moved if they actually start redrawing boundaries.

Would you be happy if McLean was renovated but not expanded and kids were shifted to schools with open seats? I know the answer, the answer is no because you only care about maintaining the status quo because you are worried abut shifting to a school with lower test scores.

I don't care that it is cheaper to expand why renovating. Not expanding is less expensive then expanding during renovations. There are open seats, a good number of open seats, available in the county. Regular boundary reviews would allow us to use those seats, then we would not have to pay to expand schools. Adjusting boundaries to make use of open seats is less expensive then building expansions, even if it is less expensive to build an expansion when renovating.

The only outcome you want is for your school to be renovated, which it needs, and expanded, which it doesn't need. There are schools that have open seats that you don't want to move to, Herndon and Langley. Herndon you don't want to move to because the test scores are far lower. I have no clue why people resist moving to Langley, it has high test scores and was recently renovated. I say I am fine with moving to a school with lower test scores and your respose implies that all I care about is that the school has been renovated. I don't. I would be fine moving to Chantilly or Oak Hill. But then your reply is that I am fine with that because they have better test scores.

My child will be fine at any school in FCPS because I am an involved parent and he will end up in the AP/IB track. At the higher performing schools that means he is a part of the entire school and that is great. At the lower performing schools, that means he ends up in the school in the school scenario. It is less ideal but he will be fine academically and probably have better college results.

Yuo don't want a solution that benefits everyone, you want your cake and to eat it to. And you will probably get your way because the higher SES parents that are petrified of change are very good at throwing public tantrums due to having more resources to spare.

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-1000. If the high SES parents always get their way in FCPS, explain why Justice is getting a large permanent addition while older and more overcrowded McLean gets a modular and trailers.