Gaza War, Part 2

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Anonymous wrote:Cold hard fact - Gaza is full of horrible men and wives and children of horrible men.

I don’t recall in WW II we did not bomb Nazis cause they had kids and wives.

Ghaza is a ghetto full of dehumanized, dispossessed, bombed, starved humans whose only fault was being born in a land Israel wants to claim for itself. They are at the mercy of a savage state and people.

Israel would love it if Egypt took back the Gaza strip. Israel wants to be done with Gaza, but Hamas won't leave Israel alone.

. This is the problem. Israelis have for nearly a century refused to recognize that Palestinians lived there when they landed and have a substantiated right to the land. We have a serious disagreement as to how arriving settlers treat a native population. And somehow it’s Egypts fault? Egypt already took in 2M refugees violently expelled by Israel. You’re angry that people don’t willingly accept ethnic cleansing. Sorry to spoil your genocidal party

Jewish people were also native to the land. Don't forget that. About 1/3 of the population of Mandatory Palestine was Jewish, and they were more than willing to split it. It was the Arab League that refused and declared war.

As for the Gaza strip, it originally belonged to Egypt. Israel would love it if they could take it back. They want nothing to do with Gaza. They don't want the land. They just want Hamas to stop.

Lol. How sweet of them. They were willing to split it with the 750,000 Palestinians that they murdered and forcibly removed in the Nakba? That’s a funny way to share

Israelis had no good intentions. Their plan was always to expel those who would go and kill the rest.

Well maybe if the Arabs had negotiated instead of going to war the Nakba wouldn't have happened.

Why would they negotiate getting less than half of their own country while they were more than half of the population. How would that make sense.

They got a coastline and the Arab majority cities.

The overage that the Jews got was the desert.

If you were a Palestinian leader how would you even show your face to your people?

“Hey guys these foreigners have decided that we can only live in half of our country now without consulting us because the Germans killed almost all of the Jewish people, but that’s our problem now because reasons.”

You’re so dumb. It wasn’t their country. Palestinians had never had sovereignty over that land.

It was British Mandatory Palestine.

Before that it was under Ottoman rule.

Arabs had run it for periods before that, but they aren’t specifically Palestinian. That was a later concept.

Jews were there the whole time, in fluctuating numbers.

Moreover, the UN did surveys to make sure the land was split according to existing Arab and Jewish areas. The overage Jews got was the Negev, where the Bedouins lived.

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Anonymous wrote:Cold hard fact - Gaza is full of horrible men and wives and children of horrible men.

I don’t recall in WW II we did not bomb Nazis cause they had kids and wives.

Ghaza is a ghetto full of dehumanized, dispossessed, bombed, starved humans whose only fault was being born in a land Israel wants to claim for itself. They are at the mercy of a savage state and people.

Israel would love it if Egypt took back the Gaza strip. Israel wants to be done with Gaza, but Hamas won't leave Israel alone.

. This is the problem. Israelis have for nearly a century refused to recognize that Palestinians lived there when they landed and have a substantiated right to the land. We have a serious disagreement as to how arriving settlers treat a native population. And somehow it’s Egypts fault? Egypt already took in 2M refugees violently expelled by Israel. You’re angry that people don’t willingly accept ethnic cleansing. Sorry to spoil your genocidal party

Jewish people were also native to the land. Don't forget that. About 1/3 of the population of Mandatory Palestine was Jewish, and they were more than willing to split it. It was the Arab League that refused and declared war.

As for the Gaza strip, it originally belonged to Egypt. Israel would love it if they could take it back. They want nothing to do with Gaza. They don't want the land. They just want Hamas to stop.

Lol. How sweet of them. They were willing to split it with the 750,000 Palestinians that they murdered and forcibly removed in the Nakba? That’s a funny way to share

Israelis had no good intentions. Their plan was always to expel those who would go and kill the rest.

Well maybe if the Arabs had negotiated instead of going to war the Nakba wouldn't have happened.

This is some revisionist history nonsense. Thre was no negotiation during the Nakba. You’ve clearly not read up on it. I’d imagine that was cleverly omitted from your Zionism studies

This is what they’re up against. Rabid extremists who refuse to acknowledge the atrocities that occurred on the population in 47. I don’t know how you square yourself with that. It’s so gross

UN Partition.

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Anonymous wrote:Cold hard fact - Gaza is full of horrible men and wives and children of horrible men.

I don’t recall in WW II we did not bomb Nazis cause they had kids and wives.

Ghaza is a ghetto full of dehumanized, dispossessed, bombed, starved humans whose only fault was being born in a land Israel wants to claim for itself. They are at the mercy of a savage state and people.

Israel would love it if Egypt took back the Gaza strip. Israel wants to be done with Gaza, but Hamas won't leave Israel alone.

. This is the problem. Israelis have for nearly a century refused to recognize that Palestinians lived there when they landed and have a substantiated right to the land. We have a serious disagreement as to how arriving settlers treat a native population. And somehow it’s Egypts fault? Egypt already took in 2M refugees violently expelled by Israel. You’re angry that people don’t willingly accept ethnic cleansing. Sorry to spoil your genocidal party

Jewish people were also native to the land. Don't forget that. About 1/3 of the population of Mandatory Palestine was Jewish, and they were more than willing to split it. It was the Arab League that refused and declared war.

As for the Gaza strip, it originally belonged to Egypt. Israel would love it if they could take it back. They want nothing to do with Gaza. They don't want the land. They just want Hamas to stop.

Lol. How sweet of them. They were willing to split it with the 750,000 Palestinians that they murdered and forcibly removed in the Nakba? That’s a funny way to share

Israelis had no good intentions. Their plan was always to expel those who would go and kill the rest.

Well maybe if the Arabs had negotiated instead of going to war the Nakba wouldn't have happened.

Why would they negotiate getting less than half of their own country while they were more than half of the population. How would that make sense.

They got a coastline and the Arab majority cities.

The overage that the Jews got was the desert.

The Arabs could have tried to negotiate, but they shut it down. The Arabs wanted it all and went to war for it. The Nakba was the result of the war.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

The saddest part is when I ask them what their alternative plan is to the current situation and they have nothing.

It’s all just feels. Which is fine, it’s right to feel sad and angry about the situation. I am. They just don’t know enough about the situation to really be able to engage substantively in a discussion about what’s next.

Which is frustrating. Listen, I hate it too. I hate Bibi. But I know enough to have an intelligent discussion about this. They clearly don’t, as they crumble in the face of questions.

Thank the heavens we have intelligent folks like you here to occupy the adult table. Do you even read aloud what you type? People here have endured your inane perseveration re: “to what end” and already Mutombo’d the shit out of it with ideas. Others have ignored you because they know YOUR endgame is to stifle any real discussion because in the long run, you’re pleased as punch with the status quo.

No one has given reasonable ideas, or in fact any ideas.

You use the word reasonable to tip your hand that you’re not willing to change ANYTHING, but you expect not to be laughed at or ignored. OK.

I never said that. But when the only idea is one that would guarantee 7 million Israeli Jews are under the rule of Palestinians, without getting rid of Hamas, well then that’s not so reasonable now is it?

That’s not a solution ANYONE has floated, nor one that I would support. Both sides deserve to live in peaceful co-existence with one another. Anything that threatens that, like Hamas militants / terrorists or parents that teach their children to dehumanize the other side or Bibi or settler militants / terrorists or politicians on both sides who dehumanize the other side or displaced Palestinians who can’t get onboard with a new plan … they can all F off, as far as I’m concerned.

So I have to explain it again:

One state means Palestinians rule because there are more of them. That places all Israeli Jews at risk, especially if Hamas is still around.

Many on this thread have proposed one state.

The West Bank is the one state solution of Israeli and Arabs living side by side and even though it is majority Palestinians but they don’t rule. The ones at risk are not the Israelis in the West Bank. It’s the Palestinians.

Jeez, I really do have to spell it all out for you all.

If ALL Palestinians were incorporated into Israel as one state, they would outnumber Jews and thus run the government.

But that’s… democracy. That’s how a democratic country works. Artificially holding people on land and giving them no citizenship is apartheid. I live in a democracy, I do not support an apartheid state.

And if Hamas is still around, they would infiltrate that government and kill Jews en masse.

Ok with you?

But I thought Israel is destroying Hamas by razing Gaza and killing thousands of children. No?

Hamas will be around for quite awhile. So you can’t hurt conveniently pretend they’re gone.

Then why is Israel razing Gaza? What are they accomplishing and how long is that supposed to take?

Well, when you’re trying to get rid of a wealthy terrorist group that has ruled a place for 20 years, it takes awhile.

Ask the US about Afghanistan and how that went.

So if that is your analogy, are you saying that Israel will actually never defeat Hamas and the organisation will just bounce back? Then why are they killing so many civilians? What is being accomplished?

So we’re back again to my original question: what’s your alternative strategy?

You can’t answer a question with a question. Do you believe that Israel has a strategy and is pursuing a course of action that will succeed, or don’t you? And if so, why would they then have to worry about Hamas infilitrating the Palestinian population? THEN you can give me a question.

I think they’re dealing with an insane death cult and there are no good options.

But I assume you have ingenious ideas.

Why is razing Gaza, a place that is 50% children, and killing thousands upon thousands of innocent people the best of their bad options?

What’s your plan?

Why do I have to have a plan? I am just a civilian without an army and intelligence service at my disposal. You would think with everything Israel has, they would be able to come up with a plan that someone, anyone, can believe in. I guess they just drank their own kool aid for too long. Even YOU don’t think they will succeed as you try to defend their tactics. They are just taking Hamas’ bait.

Sometimes when you make a series of awful decisions you go down a path that will end badly no matter what you do next, and it is no one’s fault but your own. Israel is going down that path.

So easy when you’re sitting in your Bethesda house. So goddamn easy.

So mean and nasty with the "Bethesda house" line.

Once they run out of talking points they get mad and call names. At least I am not anti-Semitic, I’ve just committed the cardinal sin of potentially living in Bethesda.

No, you’re just a charlatan who pretends to care about humanity when really you’re willing to throw the lives of Israeli Jews away.

Who said ANYTHING about throwing the lives of Israeli Jews away? YOU are the one who essentially conceded that THOUSANDS of Palestinian lives are being thrown away in a futile effort to eliminate Hamas, and YOU are the one who seems ok with that. It’s not a hypothetical- people are dying for no reason, by your own admission, and you are TOTALLY OK with it.

I NEVER SAID I AM OK WITH IT.

I have said that many times.

I have explained how withdrawing US support would result in Israel vs much of the region.

I have explained how a one state solution without getting rid of Hamas puts Israeli Jews in danger.

People have said “I don’t care.”

So if Hamas is a threat to Israel, couldn’t Israel absorb the Palestinians in the West Bank and give them citizenship? They never voted for Hamas. Then Israel would get all the territory it wants in the West Bank.

You guys act like they’re just pets. I’ve yet to meet a Palestinian who thought they’d be safe in Israel. They’d be targeted, harassed, or murdered. I’d never want to subject myself to that much oppression, though really they’re not safe from Israel now either

And how many Palestinians have you asked? 20% of Israel’s population is Arab, so at least those Palestinians feel safe.

I’ve actually met a Palestinian academic who very passionately believes that it is time for a one state solution.

And that 20% are treated like second class citizens. Israel is a deeply racist country. Every Palestinian I know feels that way. I know zero who think otherwise. And same for my extended family in other Arab countries. We talk about this a lot

Do you believe Israel has a right to exist?

Oh god. Here you pro-apartheid folks go again. We must have a mandatory preamble to everything. How about all you pro-apartheid era start with whether you believe ethnic cleansing is justified by Israel and whether “never again “ only applies to European Jews, huh?

Answer that and lead with it every time

I asked you a question first. Stop deflecting.

Your question is BS pro apartheid censorship. When you don’t have a point, you pivot and demand that everyone swear allegiance to Israel. It’s fascist tactics and I’m over it. You guys have been exposed

Do you support genocide as long as the dead are brown?

Arabs aren’t brown, dumbass.

You clearly don’t know any Arabs from your home in Maryland. My family all disagree with you, but rich white ladies csll the shots, right?

I’m not white, but nice try.

Palestinian Arabs and Israeli Jews look nearly identical.

Sure, Jan. I’ve been hearing all week how Amy Schumer is an oppressed POC. Must’ve been hard for her. Plenty of police profiling. And with only a Senate Majority Leader cousin to help her out? So hard

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The UN resolution, which fails to mention the Hamas attack, is grotesque. As has been noted, the UN has been trying to separate Jews from humankind for decades.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

The saddest part is when I ask them what their alternative plan is to the current situation and they have nothing.

It’s all just feels. Which is fine, it’s right to feel sad and angry about the situation. I am. They just don’t know enough about the situation to really be able to engage substantively in a discussion about what’s next.

Which is frustrating. Listen, I hate it too. I hate Bibi. But I know enough to have an intelligent discussion about this. They clearly don’t, as they crumble in the face of questions.

Thank the heavens we have intelligent folks like you here to occupy the adult table. Do you even read aloud what you type? People here have endured your inane perseveration re: “to what end” and already Mutombo’d the shit out of it with ideas. Others have ignored you because they know YOUR endgame is to stifle any real discussion because in the long run, you’re pleased as punch with the status quo.

No one has given reasonable ideas, or in fact any ideas.

You use the word reasonable to tip your hand that you’re not willing to change ANYTHING, but you expect not to be laughed at or ignored. OK.

I never said that. But when the only idea is one that would guarantee 7 million Israeli Jews are under the rule of Palestinians, without getting rid of Hamas, well then that’s not so reasonable now is it?

That’s not a solution ANYONE has floated, nor one that I would support. Both sides deserve to live in peaceful co-existence with one another. Anything that threatens that, like Hamas militants / terrorists or parents that teach their children to dehumanize the other side or Bibi or settler militants / terrorists or politicians on both sides who dehumanize the other side or displaced Palestinians who can’t get onboard with a new plan … they can all F off, as far as I’m concerned.

So I have to explain it again:

One state means Palestinians rule because there are more of them. That places all Israeli Jews at risk, especially if Hamas is still around.

Many on this thread have proposed one state.

The West Bank is the one state solution of Israeli and Arabs living side by side and even though it is majority Palestinians but they don’t rule. The ones at risk are not the Israelis in the West Bank. It’s the Palestinians.

Jeez, I really do have to spell it all out for you all.

If ALL Palestinians were incorporated into Israel as one state, they would outnumber Jews and thus run the government.

But that’s… democracy. That’s how a democratic country works. Artificially holding people on land and giving them no citizenship is apartheid. I live in a democracy, I do not support an apartheid state.

And if Hamas is still around, they would infiltrate that government and kill Jews en masse.

Ok with you?

But I thought Israel is destroying Hamas by razing Gaza and killing thousands of children. No?

Hamas will be around for quite awhile. So you can’t hurt conveniently pretend they’re gone.

Then why is Israel razing Gaza? What are they accomplishing and how long is that supposed to take?

Well, when you’re trying to get rid of a wealthy terrorist group that has ruled a place for 20 years, it takes awhile.

Ask the US about Afghanistan and how that went.

So if that is your analogy, are you saying that Israel will actually never defeat Hamas and the organisation will just bounce back? Then why are they killing so many civilians? What is being accomplished?

So we’re back again to my original question: what’s your alternative strategy?

You can’t answer a question with a question. Do you believe that Israel has a strategy and is pursuing a course of action that will succeed, or don’t you? And if so, why would they then have to worry about Hamas infilitrating the Palestinian population? THEN you can give me a question.

I think they’re dealing with an insane death cult and there are no good options.

But I assume you have ingenious ideas.

Why is razing Gaza, a place that is 50% children, and killing thousands upon thousands of innocent people the best of their bad options?

What’s your plan?

Why do I have to have a plan? I am just a civilian without an army and intelligence service at my disposal. You would think with everything Israel has, they would be able to come up with a plan that someone, anyone, can believe in. I guess they just drank their own kool aid for too long. Even YOU don’t think they will succeed as you try to defend their tactics. They are just taking Hamas’ bait.

Sometimes when you make a series of awful decisions you go down a path that will end badly no matter what you do next, and it is no one’s fault but your own. Israel is going down that path.

So easy when you’re sitting in your Bethesda house. So goddamn easy.

So mean and nasty with the "Bethesda house" line.

Once they run out of talking points they get mad and call names. At least I am not anti-Semitic, I’ve just committed the cardinal sin of potentially living in Bethesda.

No, you’re just a charlatan who pretends to care about humanity when really you’re willing to throw the lives of Israeli Jews away.

Who said ANYTHING about throwing the lives of Israeli Jews away? YOU are the one who essentially conceded that THOUSANDS of Palestinian lives are being thrown away in a futile effort to eliminate Hamas, and YOU are the one who seems ok with that. It’s not a hypothetical- people are dying for no reason, by your own admission, and you are TOTALLY OK with it.

I NEVER SAID I AM OK WITH IT.

I have said that many times.

I have explained how withdrawing US support would result in Israel vs much of the region.

I have explained how a one state solution without getting rid of Hamas puts Israeli Jews in danger.

People have said “I don’t care.”

So if Hamas is a threat to Israel, couldn’t Israel absorb the Palestinians in the West Bank and give them citizenship? They never voted for Hamas. Then Israel would get all the territory it wants in the West Bank.

You guys act like they’re just pets. I’ve yet to meet a Palestinian who thought they’d be safe in Israel. They’d be targeted, harassed, or murdered. I’d never want to subject myself to that much oppression, though really they’re not safe from Israel now either

And how many Palestinians have you asked? 20% of Israel’s population is Arab, so at least those Palestinians feel safe.

I’ve actually met a Palestinian academic who very passionately believes that it is time for a one state solution.

And that 20% are treated like second class citizens. Israel is a deeply racist country. Every Palestinian I know feels that way. I know zero who think otherwise. And same for my extended family in other Arab countries. We talk about this a lot

Do you believe Israel has a right to exist?

Oh god. Here you pro-apartheid folks go again. We must have a mandatory preamble to everything. How about all you pro-apartheid era start with whether you believe ethnic cleansing is justified by Israel and whether “never again “ only applies to European Jews, huh?

Answer that and lead with it every time

I asked you a question first. Stop deflecting.

Your question is BS pro apartheid censorship. When you don’t have a point, you pivot and demand that everyone swear allegiance to Israel. It’s fascist tactics and I’m over it. You guys have been exposed

Do you support genocide as long as the dead are brown?

Arabs aren’t brown, dumbass.

You clearly don’t know any Arabs from your home in Maryland. My family all disagree with you, but rich white ladies csll the shots, right?

I’m not white, but nice try.

Palestinian Arabs and Israeli Jews look nearly identical.

Sure, Jan. I’ve been hearing all week how Amy Schumer is an oppressed POC. Must’ve been hard for her. Plenty of police profiling. And with only a Senate Majority Leader cousin to help her out? So hard

Your complete lack of willingness to acknowledge that Jews are anything but privileged is disgusting.

You do realize people can care about Jews and Palestinians, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Cold hard fact - Gaza is full of horrible men and wives and children of horrible men.

I don’t recall in WW II we did not bomb Nazis cause they had kids and wives.

Ghaza is a ghetto full of dehumanized, dispossessed, bombed, starved humans whose only fault was being born in a land Israel wants to claim for itself. They are at the mercy of a savage state and people.

Israel would love it if Egypt took back the Gaza strip. Israel wants to be done with Gaza, but Hamas won't leave Israel alone.

. This is the problem. Israelis have for nearly a century refused to recognize that Palestinians lived there when they landed and have a substantiated right to the land. We have a serious disagreement as to how arriving settlers treat a native population. And somehow it’s Egypts fault? Egypt already took in 2M refugees violently expelled by Israel. You’re angry that people don’t willingly accept ethnic cleansing. Sorry to spoil your genocidal party

Jewish people were also native to the land. Don't forget that. About 1/3 of the population of Mandatory Palestine was Jewish, and they were more than willing to split it. It was the Arab League that refused and declared war.

As for the Gaza strip, it originally belonged to Egypt. Israel would love it if they could take it back. They want nothing to do with Gaza. They don't want the land. They just want Hamas to stop.

Lol. How sweet of them. They were willing to split it with the 750,000 Palestinians that they murdered and forcibly removed in the Nakba? That’s a funny way to share

Israelis had no good intentions. Their plan was always to expel those who would go and kill the rest.

Well maybe if the Arabs had negotiated instead of going to war the Nakba wouldn't have happened.

Why would they negotiate getting less than half of their own country while they were more than half of the population. How would that make sense.

They got a coastline and the Arab majority cities.

The overage that the Jews got was the desert.

The Arabs could have tried to negotiate, but they shut it down. The Arabs wanted it all and went to war for it. The Nakba was the result of the war.

Let me translate “if they’d just let us steal all their land we wouldn’t Abe to kill them. But they wouldn’t give up their homes so it was their fault. They made me go it”

Every DV perpetrator ever

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Anonymous wrote:The UN resolution, which fails to mention the Hamas attack, is grotesque. As has been noted, the UN has been trying to separate Jews from humankind for decades.

The poster I’ve been going back and forth with, who called me Jan (LOL) would be thrilled.

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Anonymous wrote:Cold hard fact - Gaza is full of horrible men and wives and children of horrible men.

I don’t recall in WW II we did not bomb Nazis cause they had kids and wives.

Ghaza is a ghetto full of dehumanized, dispossessed, bombed, starved humans whose only fault was being born in a land Israel wants to claim for itself. They are at the mercy of a savage state and people.

Israel would love it if Egypt took back the Gaza strip. Israel wants to be done with Gaza, but Hamas won't leave Israel alone.

. This is the problem. Israelis have for nearly a century refused to recognize that Palestinians lived there when they landed and have a substantiated right to the land. We have a serious disagreement as to how arriving settlers treat a native population. And somehow it’s Egypts fault? Egypt already took in 2M refugees violently expelled by Israel. You’re angry that people don’t willingly accept ethnic cleansing. Sorry to spoil your genocidal party

Jewish people were also native to the land. Don't forget that. About 1/3 of the population of Mandatory Palestine was Jewish, and they were more than willing to split it. It was the Arab League that refused and declared war.

As for the Gaza strip, it originally belonged to Egypt. Israel would love it if they could take it back. They want nothing to do with Gaza. They don't want the land. They just want Hamas to stop.

Lol. How sweet of them. They were willing to split it with the 750,000 Palestinians that they murdered and forcibly removed in the Nakba? That’s a funny way to share

Israelis had no good intentions. Their plan was always to expel those who would go and kill the rest.

Well maybe if the Arabs had negotiated instead of going to war the Nakba wouldn't have happened.

Why would they negotiate getting less than half of their own country while they were more than half of the population. How would that make sense.

They got a coastline and the Arab majority cities.

The overage that the Jews got was the desert.

The Arabs could have tried to negotiate, but they shut it down. The Arabs wanted it all and went to war for it. The Nakba was the result of the war.

Let me translate “if they’d just let us steal all their land we wouldn’t Abe to kill them. But they wouldn’t give up their homes so it was their fault. They made me go it”

Every DV perpetrator ever

Your mind is so weak and myopic.

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Anonymous wrote:Cold hard fact - Gaza is full of horrible men and wives and children of horrible men.

I don’t recall in WW II we did not bomb Nazis cause they had kids and wives.

Ghaza is a ghetto full of dehumanized, dispossessed, bombed, starved humans whose only fault was being born in a land Israel wants to claim for itself. They are at the mercy of a savage state and people.

Israel would love it if Egypt took back the Gaza strip. Israel wants to be done with Gaza, but Hamas won't leave Israel alone.

. This is the problem. Israelis have for nearly a century refused to recognize that Palestinians lived there when they landed and have a substantiated right to the land. We have a serious disagreement as to how arriving settlers treat a native population. And somehow it’s Egypts fault? Egypt already took in 2M refugees violently expelled by Israel. You’re angry that people don’t willingly accept ethnic cleansing. Sorry to spoil your genocidal party

Jewish people were also native to the land. Don't forget that. About 1/3 of the population of Mandatory Palestine was Jewish, and they were more than willing to split it. It was the Arab League that refused and declared war.

As for the Gaza strip, it originally belonged to Egypt. Israel would love it if they could take it back. They want nothing to do with Gaza. They don't want the land. They just want Hamas to stop.

Lol. How sweet of them. They were willing to split it with the 750,000 Palestinians that they murdered and forcibly removed in the Nakba? That’s a funny way to share

Israelis had no good intentions. Their plan was always to expel those who would go and kill the rest.

Well maybe if the Arabs had negotiated instead of going to war the Nakba wouldn't have happened.

Why would they negotiate getting less than half of their own country while they were more than half of the population. How would that make sense.

They got a coastline and the Arab majority cities.

The overage that the Jews got was the desert.

If you were a Palestinian leader how would you even show your face to your people?

“Hey guys these foreigners have decided that we can only live in half of our country now without consulting us because the Germans killed almost all of the Jewish people, but that’s our problem now because reasons.”

You’re so dumb. It wasn’t their country. Palestinians had never had sovereignty over that land.

It was British Mandatory Palestine.

Before that it was under Ottoman rule.

Arabs had run it for periods before that, but they aren’t specifically Palestinian. That was a later concept.

Jews were there the whole time, in fluctuating numbers.

Moreover, the UN did surveys to make sure the land was split according to existing Arab and Jewish areas. The overage Jews got was the Negev, where the Bedouins lived.

Thanks for the correction. Let me revise it for accuracy.

“Hey guys these foreigners have decided that we can only live on half of the land that we have lived on for generation after generation, for hundreds, maybe thousands of years, without consulting us because we don’t have a government that white people consider real. The reason for this is that the Germans killed almost all of the Jewish people, but they have a real government and self-determination because they are white people, but that’s our problem now because reasons.”

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This is getting really complicated. Do these protesters believe the state of Israel should exist? Are Jewish students at Harvard terrified of them? What about our resident genocide apologists, are they terrified by this show of antisemitism?

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Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

The saddest part is when I ask them what their alternative plan is to the current situation and they have nothing.

It’s all just feels. Which is fine, it’s right to feel sad and angry about the situation. I am. They just don’t know enough about the situation to really be able to engage substantively in a discussion about what’s next.

Which is frustrating. Listen, I hate it too. I hate Bibi. But I know enough to have an intelligent discussion about this. They clearly don’t, as they crumble in the face of questions.

Thank the heavens we have intelligent folks like you here to occupy the adult table. Do you even read aloud what you type? People here have endured your inane perseveration re: “to what end” and already Mutombo’d the shit out of it with ideas. Others have ignored you because they know YOUR endgame is to stifle any real discussion because in the long run, you’re pleased as punch with the status quo.

No one has given reasonable ideas, or in fact any ideas.

You use the word reasonable to tip your hand that you’re not willing to change ANYTHING, but you expect not to be laughed at or ignored. OK.

I never said that. But when the only idea is one that would guarantee 7 million Israeli Jews are under the rule of Palestinians, without getting rid of Hamas, well then that’s not so reasonable now is it?

That’s not a solution ANYONE has floated, nor one that I would support. Both sides deserve to live in peaceful co-existence with one another. Anything that threatens that, like Hamas militants / terrorists or parents that teach their children to dehumanize the other side or Bibi or settler militants / terrorists or politicians on both sides who dehumanize the other side or displaced Palestinians who can’t get onboard with a new plan … they can all F off, as far as I’m concerned.

So I have to explain it again:

One state means Palestinians rule because there are more of them. That places all Israeli Jews at risk, especially if Hamas is still around.

Many on this thread have proposed one state.

The West Bank is the one state solution of Israeli and Arabs living side by side and even though it is majority Palestinians but they don’t rule. The ones at risk are not the Israelis in the West Bank. It’s the Palestinians.

Jeez, I really do have to spell it all out for you all.

If ALL Palestinians were incorporated into Israel as one state, they would outnumber Jews and thus run the government.

But that’s… democracy. That’s how a democratic country works. Artificially holding people on land and giving them no citizenship is apartheid. I live in a democracy, I do not support an apartheid state.

And if Hamas is still around, they would infiltrate that government and kill Jews en masse.

Ok with you?

But I thought Israel is destroying Hamas by razing Gaza and killing thousands of children. No?

Hamas will be around for quite awhile. So you can’t hurt conveniently pretend they’re gone.

Then why is Israel razing Gaza? What are they accomplishing and how long is that supposed to take?

Well, when you’re trying to get rid of a wealthy terrorist group that has ruled a place for 20 years, it takes awhile.

Ask the US about Afghanistan and how that went.

So if that is your analogy, are you saying that Israel will actually never defeat Hamas and the organisation will just bounce back? Then why are they killing so many civilians? What is being accomplished?

So we’re back again to my original question: what’s your alternative strategy?

You can’t answer a question with a question. Do you believe that Israel has a strategy and is pursuing a course of action that will succeed, or don’t you? And if so, why would they then have to worry about Hamas infilitrating the Palestinian population? THEN you can give me a question.

I think they’re dealing with an insane death cult and there are no good options.

But I assume you have ingenious ideas.

Why is razing Gaza, a place that is 50% children, and killing thousands upon thousands of innocent people the best of their bad options?

What’s your plan?

Why do I have to have a plan? I am just a civilian without an army and intelligence service at my disposal. You would think with everything Israel has, they would be able to come up with a plan that someone, anyone, can believe in. I guess they just drank their own kool aid for too long. Even YOU don’t think they will succeed as you try to defend their tactics. They are just taking Hamas’ bait.

Sometimes when you make a series of awful decisions you go down a path that will end badly no matter what you do next, and it is no one’s fault but your own. Israel is going down that path.

So easy when you’re sitting in your Bethesda house. So goddamn easy.

So mean and nasty with the "Bethesda house" line.

Once they run out of talking points they get mad and call names. At least I am not anti-Semitic, I’ve just committed the cardinal sin of potentially living in Bethesda.

No, you’re just a charlatan who pretends to care about humanity when really you’re willing to throw the lives of Israeli Jews away.

Who said ANYTHING about throwing the lives of Israeli Jews away? YOU are the one who essentially conceded that THOUSANDS of Palestinian lives are being thrown away in a futile effort to eliminate Hamas, and YOU are the one who seems ok with that. It’s not a hypothetical- people are dying for no reason, by your own admission, and you are TOTALLY OK with it.

I NEVER SAID I AM OK WITH IT.

I have said that many times.

I have explained how withdrawing US support would result in Israel vs much of the region.

I have explained how a one state solution without getting rid of Hamas puts Israeli Jews in danger.

People have said “I don’t care.”

So if Hamas is a threat to Israel, couldn’t Israel absorb the Palestinians in the West Bank and give them citizenship? They never voted for Hamas. Then Israel would get all the territory it wants in the West Bank.

You guys act like they’re just pets. I’ve yet to meet a Palestinian who thought they’d be safe in Israel. They’d be targeted, harassed, or murdered. I’d never want to subject myself to that much oppression, though really they’re not safe from Israel now either

And how many Palestinians have you asked? 20% of Israel’s population is Arab, so at least those Palestinians feel safe.

I’ve actually met a Palestinian academic who very passionately believes that it is time for a one state solution.

And that 20% are treated like second class citizens. Israel is a deeply racist country. Every Palestinian I know feels that way. I know zero who think otherwise. And same for my extended family in other Arab countries. We talk about this a lot

Do you believe Israel has a right to exist?

Oh god. Here you pro-apartheid folks go again. We must have a mandatory preamble to everything. How about all you pro-apartheid era start with whether you believe ethnic cleansing is justified by Israel and whether “never again “ only applies to European Jews, huh?

Answer that and lead with it every time

I asked you a question first. Stop deflecting.

Your question is BS pro apartheid censorship. When you don’t have a point, you pivot and demand that everyone swear allegiance to Israel. It’s fascist tactics and I’m over it. You guys have been exposed

Do you support genocide as long as the dead are brown?

Arabs aren’t brown, dumbass.

You clearly don’t know any Arabs from your home in Maryland. My family all disagree with you, but rich white ladies csll the shots, right?

I’m not white, but nice try.

Palestinian Arabs and Israeli Jews look nearly identical.

Sure, Jan. I’ve been hearing all week how Amy Schumer is an oppressed POC. Must’ve been hard for her. Plenty of police profiling. And with only a Senate Majority Leader cousin to help her out? So hard

I’m half Asian half Jewish, jerkwad.

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Anonymous wrote:This is getting really complicated. Do these protesters believe the state of Israel should exist? Are Jewish students at Harvard terrified of them? What about our resident genocide apologists, are they terrified by this show of antisemitism?

Oh STFU

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Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

The saddest part is when I ask them what their alternative plan is to the current situation and they have nothing.

It’s all just feels. Which is fine, it’s right to feel sad and angry about the situation. I am. They just don’t know enough about the situation to really be able to engage substantively in a discussion about what’s next.

Which is frustrating. Listen, I hate it too. I hate Bibi. But I know enough to have an intelligent discussion about this. They clearly don’t, as they crumble in the face of questions.

Thank the heavens we have intelligent folks like you here to occupy the adult table. Do you even read aloud what you type? People here have endured your inane perseveration re: “to what end” and already Mutombo’d the shit out of it with ideas. Others have ignored you because they know YOUR endgame is to stifle any real discussion because in the long run, you’re pleased as punch with the status quo.

No one has given reasonable ideas, or in fact any ideas.

You use the word reasonable to tip your hand that you’re not willing to change ANYTHING, but you expect not to be laughed at or ignored. OK.

I never said that. But when the only idea is one that would guarantee 7 million Israeli Jews are under the rule of Palestinians, without getting rid of Hamas, well then that’s not so reasonable now is it?

That’s not a solution ANYONE has floated, nor one that I would support. Both sides deserve to live in peaceful co-existence with one another. Anything that threatens that, like Hamas militants / terrorists or parents that teach their children to dehumanize the other side or Bibi or settler militants / terrorists or politicians on both sides who dehumanize the other side or displaced Palestinians who can’t get onboard with a new plan … they can all F off, as far as I’m concerned.

So I have to explain it again:

One state means Palestinians rule because there are more of them. That places all Israeli Jews at risk, especially if Hamas is still around.

Many on this thread have proposed one state.

The West Bank is the one state solution of Israeli and Arabs living side by side and even though it is majority Palestinians but they don’t rule. The ones at risk are not the Israelis in the West Bank. It’s the Palestinians.

Jeez, I really do have to spell it all out for you all.

If ALL Palestinians were incorporated into Israel as one state, they would outnumber Jews and thus run the government.

But that’s… democracy. That’s how a democratic country works. Artificially holding people on land and giving them no citizenship is apartheid. I live in a democracy, I do not support an apartheid state.

And if Hamas is still around, they would infiltrate that government and kill Jews en masse.

Ok with you?

But I thought Israel is destroying Hamas by razing Gaza and killing thousands of children. No?

Hamas will be around for quite awhile. So you can’t hurt conveniently pretend they’re gone.

Then why is Israel razing Gaza? What are they accomplishing and how long is that supposed to take?

Well, when you’re trying to get rid of a wealthy terrorist group that has ruled a place for 20 years, it takes awhile.

Ask the US about Afghanistan and how that went.

So if that is your analogy, are you saying that Israel will actually never defeat Hamas and the organisation will just bounce back? Then why are they killing so many civilians? What is being accomplished?

So we’re back again to my original question: what’s your alternative strategy?

You can’t answer a question with a question. Do you believe that Israel has a strategy and is pursuing a course of action that will succeed, or don’t you? And if so, why would they then have to worry about Hamas infilitrating the Palestinian population? THEN you can give me a question.

I think they’re dealing with an insane death cult and there are no good options.

But I assume you have ingenious ideas.

Why is razing Gaza, a place that is 50% children, and killing thousands upon thousands of innocent people the best of their bad options?

What’s your plan?

Why do I have to have a plan? I am just a civilian without an army and intelligence service at my disposal. You would think with everything Israel has, they would be able to come up with a plan that someone, anyone, can believe in. I guess they just drank their own kool aid for too long. Even YOU don’t think they will succeed as you try to defend their tactics. They are just taking Hamas’ bait.

Sometimes when you make a series of awful decisions you go down a path that will end badly no matter what you do next, and it is no one’s fault but your own. Israel is going down that path.

So easy when you’re sitting in your Bethesda house. So goddamn easy.

So mean and nasty with the "Bethesda house" line.

Once they run out of talking points they get mad and call names. At least I am not anti-Semitic, I’ve just committed the cardinal sin of potentially living in Bethesda.

No, you’re just a charlatan who pretends to care about humanity when really you’re willing to throw the lives of Israeli Jews away.

Who said ANYTHING about throwing the lives of Israeli Jews away? YOU are the one who essentially conceded that THOUSANDS of Palestinian lives are being thrown away in a futile effort to eliminate Hamas, and YOU are the one who seems ok with that. It’s not a hypothetical- people are dying for no reason, by your own admission, and you are TOTALLY OK with it.

I NEVER SAID I AM OK WITH IT.

I have said that many times.

I have explained how withdrawing US support would result in Israel vs much of the region.

I have explained how a one state solution without getting rid of Hamas puts Israeli Jews in danger.

People have said “I don’t care.”

So if Hamas is a threat to Israel, couldn’t Israel absorb the Palestinians in the West Bank and give them citizenship? They never voted for Hamas. Then Israel would get all the territory it wants in the West Bank.

You guys act like they’re just pets. I’ve yet to meet a Palestinian who thought they’d be safe in Israel. They’d be targeted, harassed, or murdered. I’d never want to subject myself to that much oppression, though really they’re not safe from Israel now either

And how many Palestinians have you asked? 20% of Israel’s population is Arab, so at least those Palestinians feel safe.

I’ve actually met a Palestinian academic who very passionately believes that it is time for a one state solution.

And that 20% are treated like second class citizens. Israel is a deeply racist country. Every Palestinian I know feels that way. I know zero who think otherwise. And same for my extended family in other Arab countries. We talk about this a lot

Do you believe Israel has a right to exist?

Oh god. Here you pro-apartheid folks go again. We must have a mandatory preamble to everything. How about all you pro-apartheid era start with whether you believe ethnic cleansing is justified by Israel and whether “never again “ only applies to European Jews, huh?

Answer that and lead with it every time

I asked you a question first. Stop deflecting.

Your question is BS pro apartheid censorship. When you don’t have a point, you pivot and demand that everyone swear allegiance to Israel. It’s fascist tactics and I’m over it. You guys have been exposed

Do you support genocide as long as the dead are brown?

Arabs aren’t brown, dumbass.

You clearly don’t know any Arabs from your home in Maryland. My family all disagree with you, but rich white ladies csll the shots, right?

I’m not white, but nice try.

Palestinian Arabs and Israeli Jews look nearly identical.

Sure, Jan. I’ve been hearing all week how Amy Schumer is an oppressed POC. Must’ve been hard for her. Plenty of police profiling. And with only a Senate Majority Leader cousin to help her out? So hard

Your complete lack of willingness to acknowledge that Jews are anything but privileged is disgusting.

You do realize people can care about Jews and Palestinians, right?

You have evidenced a lack of ability to do just that.

Jews in this country benefit from whiteness. I’ve been told repeatedly on this thread that they are oppressed POC. It’s a clear misrepresentation— particularly by people like Amy Schumer

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Anonymous wrote:This is getting really complicated. Do these protesters believe the state of Israel should exist? Are Jewish students at Harvard terrified of them? What about our resident genocide apologists, are they terrified by this show of antisemitism?

Their hate is the worst because they hate… themselves?