Rosemary's Bistro Blocking Connecticut Avenue

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Anonymous wrote:I have never seen someone eating in the streaterie there. Time for it to go.

I have never seen you to be anything other than a Russian bot. Time for you to go.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have never seen someone eating in the streaterie there. Time for it to go.

Well, you're probably driving by when the restaurant is closed, because when it's open that streetery is packed out.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there an update on the competing petitions between Eddie Cano and Rosemary Bistro? Also will Rosemary Bistro close the streetery at end of 2024? So odd that there was so much vitriol and now, silence from all parties. Also curious how the traffic has been in mornings.

Traffic flows pretty much unimpeded. The bottleneck north of Dupont is also not really much of an issue. The worst traffic at Calvert due to the left turn signal being a delayed one in a lane that can go south (straight) or east (left). A turning only lane, even if it is a short one, would help a lot.

One continuous issue on Connecticut and throughout the city is cars taking a right from the center lane. When there are pedestrians in the crosswalk, they block the rightmost traffic lane when they should pull into the right lane past parked cars to turn. It is just laziness that causes drivers to have to slow down on their commute.

What? That's just wrong on so many levels. For instance, Woodley Park ("the bottle neck north of Dupont") has the lowest level of traffic on all of Connecticut Ave.

Connecticut and Nebraska is one of the most congested intersections in the entire DMV during rush hour. It sucks.

One of the worst parts about the Internet is that you can just make stuff up and be wrong and anonymous.

According to DDOT's own numbers it's the most congested intersection, on the most congested stretch of one of the most heavily trafficed roads in the City. That intersection is so congested that even the neighboring side streets, like Albermarle, are now jam packed from people avoiding it.

Meanwhile you clearly don't live in the area and don't even know where the intersection is.

The congestion there is not solely related to the streetery but the streetery makes the intersection much worse and much less safe. The pandemic is over. Things are only going to get worse, especially if people start going back into the office on Mondays and Fridays.

The streetery has almost no impact...there is a right turn arrow that virtually all of the drivers use. The through traffic is already in the center and left lane. The streetery is in the right lane. Do the math.

Dear idiot: all the traffic is backed up all the way to hell in the center lane because anyone who's used this road on a prior morning understands that if they don't get over now, they never will.

Instead they'll be stuck in one place, contemplating the Kermit the Frog green Jersey barriers of Rosemary's in what should be the right lane of traffic.

The right turn lane is turning right, the center and left are going straight. This isn't hard.

Why are you opining on and spreading aggressively ignorant disinformation on something that you clearly know nothing about?

Not the prior poster, but DDOT has released several traffic studies of Conn Ave and every one of them showed that the outer lanes were ***FAR*** less utilized by drivers than the middle two lanes, because of the turning traffic or random parked cars that shouldn't be there but are constantly.

The eatery is not in a turn only lane. It's blocking a regular straight lane. And anyone who does want to turn right after the eatery has to move left and then move right again quickly after the eatery. This is a location heavily trafficked by school children walking to school and residents of the elder care home. Lots of lane changing right there, with limited vision heading up to it, is unnecessarily dangerous. For what purpose? Is a handful of extra seats at one restaurant really worth this risk?

Two lanes slow traffic more than three lanes, so the street with a streetery is actually better for little Timmy crossing it than one without it.

Except people then take side streets to avoid the backup caused by a private business squatting on public property.

Silly poster, they take side streets anyway.

Put up more rush hour no-turn and no-thru restrictions to keep the traffic off the side streets and on Connecticut Avenue where it belongs.

The whole point of a grid street design is to allow pouricity of traffic flow. Adding restrictions simply turns the arterials into car sewers.

Washington DC follow the federal functional classification of streets, not a true grid system. Arterials are intended to carry the major traffic. Better Connecticut than Albemarle or Northampton Streets.

This is the unfortunate reality. There is no "better" place to route traffic. Short of digging an expressway underground or getting people back on metro (both essentially impossible these days) you're going to have CT carry the through volume.

Its unfortunate that businesses sprung up along CT, because now we know the suburban stroad design is terrible for everyone. Businesses and commuters alike.

The streeteries are great for the business and the local residents, both the revenue generators the city has. Making it easier for suburban drivers in single occupancy cars should never be the priority.

And yet for so many, it's their primary priority and any shift away from it they decry as a cultural war against their inalienable right to pollute our streets and cities and maim or kill it's inhabitants.

Except that some car critics here seem to have far less concern with traffic fumes and safety provided that the traffic shifts away from Connecticut Avenue to the “grid” — the narrower neighborhood streets which is the last place more thru traffic should be encouraged.

Blah blah blah. Whether your SUV is moving or idling its still polluting and you could have taken metro. Buzz off.

So sayeth the Navy Yard bikebros fhat thinks you live in Maryland!

They've been here all of five years and don't you know that upper NW is undesirable because everyone wants to live in Ivy City.

Meanwhile the Bike Bros’ pals, the Density Bros (or are they much the same?) have wet dreams about making Chevy Chase DC into Navy Yard NW

Does your word salad make sense to you? Did you hit your head real hard this morning?

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Anonymous wrote:Rosemary’s setup looks like a dirty and disheveled homeless encampment. Says a lot about how the owners think about the neighborhood, their patrons, and themselves.

Oh jeez. I'm so sorry its not laden with gold. Get the f out of here.

Who said anything about gold? Scores of restaurants in the region have created simple and attractive streateries that complement or integrate with their surrounding neighborhoods. By contrast, Rosemary’s is on par with the grubby food tents at county fairs. The setup is lazy and clearly shows no care for the neighborhood.

So, maybe you get the f out of here…

DC has virtually no safety, sanitation or aesthetic standards for streeteries. Compare Rosemary’s abomination or the rubble piles on Wisconsin Ave with streeteries in Alexandria, VA, New York and other places. Once again the D.C. government is inept or just looks the other way for unknown reasons.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have never seen someone eating in the streaterie there. Time for it to go.

Well, you're probably driving by when the restaurant is closed, because when it's open that streetery is packed out.

That’s not true at all. It’s not a hugely popular place in general (its upper NW DC…not exactly the most happening spot).

The streatery is barely occupied these days.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there an update on the competing petitions between Eddie Cano and Rosemary Bistro? Also will Rosemary Bistro close the streetery at end of 2024? So odd that there was so much vitriol and now, silence from all parties. Also curious how the traffic has been in mornings.

Traffic flows pretty much unimpeded. The bottleneck north of Dupont is also not really much of an issue. The worst traffic at Calvert due to the left turn signal being a delayed one in a lane that can go south (straight) or east (left). A turning only lane, even if it is a short one, would help a lot.

One continuous issue on Connecticut and throughout the city is cars taking a right from the center lane. When there are pedestrians in the crosswalk, they block the rightmost traffic lane when they should pull into the right lane past parked cars to turn. It is just laziness that causes drivers to have to slow down on their commute.

What? That's just wrong on so many levels. For instance, Woodley Park ("the bottle neck north of Dupont") has the lowest level of traffic on all of Connecticut Ave.

Connecticut and Nebraska is one of the most congested intersections in the entire DMV during rush hour. It sucks.

One of the worst parts about the Internet is that you can just make stuff up and be wrong and anonymous.

According to DDOT's own numbers it's the most congested intersection, on the most congested stretch of one of the most heavily trafficed roads in the City. That intersection is so congested that even the neighboring side streets, like Albermarle, are now jam packed from people avoiding it.

Meanwhile you clearly don't live in the area and don't even know where the intersection is.

The congestion there is not solely related to the streetery but the streetery makes the intersection much worse and much less safe. The pandemic is over. Things are only going to get worse, especially if people start going back into the office on Mondays and Fridays.

The streetery has almost no impact...there is a right turn arrow that virtually all of the drivers use. The through traffic is already in the center and left lane. The streetery is in the right lane. Do the math.

Dear idiot: all the traffic is backed up all the way to hell in the center lane because anyone who's used this road on a prior morning understands that if they don't get over now, they never will.

Instead they'll be stuck in one place, contemplating the Kermit the Frog green Jersey barriers of Rosemary's in what should be the right lane of traffic.

The right turn lane is turning right, the center and left are going straight. This isn't hard.

Why are you opining on and spreading aggressively ignorant disinformation on something that you clearly know nothing about?

Not the prior poster, but DDOT has released several traffic studies of Conn Ave and every one of them showed that the outer lanes were ***FAR*** less utilized by drivers than the middle two lanes, because of the turning traffic or random parked cars that shouldn't be there but are constantly.

The eatery is not in a turn only lane. It's blocking a regular straight lane. And anyone who does want to turn right after the eatery has to move left and then move right again quickly after the eatery. This is a location heavily trafficked by school children walking to school and residents of the elder care home. Lots of lane changing right there, with limited vision heading up to it, is unnecessarily dangerous. For what purpose? Is a handful of extra seats at one restaurant really worth this risk?

Two lanes slow traffic more than three lanes, so the street with a streetery is actually better for little Timmy crossing it than one without it.

Except people then take side streets to avoid the backup caused by a private business squatting on public property.

Silly poster, they take side streets anyway.

Put up more rush hour no-turn and no-thru restrictions to keep the traffic off the side streets and on Connecticut Avenue where it belongs.

The whole point of a grid street design is to allow pouricity of traffic flow. Adding restrictions simply turns the arterials into car sewers.

Washington DC follow the federal functional classification of streets, not a true grid system. Arterials are intended to carry the major traffic. Better Connecticut than Albemarle or Northampton Streets.

This is the unfortunate reality. There is no "better" place to route traffic. Short of digging an expressway underground or getting people back on metro (both essentially impossible these days) you're going to have CT carry the through volume.

Its unfortunate that businesses sprung up along CT, because now we know the suburban stroad design is terrible for everyone. Businesses and commuters alike.

Not unfortunate for residents who patronize those businesses. Surely commuters realize that they are driving on city streets where businesses “sprang up” over 100 years ago?

The average commuter doesn't care about anything but getting where they are going .1 seconds faster. That's why CT businesses punch well below their weight. The volume of commuters just makes the whole area less pleasant than it could be. CT Ave is almost devoid of "destinations" and relies almost entirely on local patronage. That would be fine if landlords priced rent to reflect that, but they still seem to think they can draw people from across town or the burbs.

CT avenue is just a slightly higher end NY Ave, and until people realize it and start fixing the design, its going to be stuck in this "should be good, but isn't" gray zone.

There is no functional or aesthetic correlation between NY Ave and CT Ave. none.

Functionally, you are correct as NY Ave moves something like 4x the cars each day. They terminate about 5 blocks from each other. Aesthetically, they are both dotted with fast food restaurants, gas stations and a Days Inn. A lot of the people who used to live on/near NY Ave now live on/near CT Ave. On the plus side NY Ave takes you by Kenilworth and the Arboretum while CT has more street trees.

The biggest difference is that NY Ave borders successful commercial districts like Union Market and Dakota Crossing. CT Ave is bisected by struggling stretches of businesses.

In short, NY Ave moves more people while also being a better business incubator because it separates functions while CT Ave jams everything together.

It is a traffic sewer that has absolutely zero walkability appeal from the district line to NOMA. the two commercial areas you cite have their back on NY Ave and turn inward or a different orientation.

That was my somewhat tongue-in-cheek point. Somehow low-rent NY Ave figured out how to move commuters and support a business corridor. All it took was turning the business away from the main drag. My secondary point is that CT Ave is definitely on a downward trend, and probably needs to get worse before anyone will be willing to make the orientation changes to match what's going on with NY Ave.

So yes, there is a way to accommodate commuters and local shopping needs, even becoming a destination again. It just requires Ward 3 boomers to allow some things to change.

You can enjoy the vibrancy of NY Ave and others can enjoy the less vibrant CT Ave. corridor. Something for everyone.

CT Ave, is already well on its way to vibrancy, so you're getting it one way or another. The only question is whether neighborhood amenities are going to survive the transition or get completely killed off by the one two punch of vibrancy and commuter traffic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have never seen someone eating in the streaterie there. Time for it to go.

Well, you're probably driving by when the restaurant is closed, because when it's open that streetery is packed out.

This is hilariously untrue. It's at best half full during peak dining times and an empty eyesore the rest of the time.

[Anonymous]

When we walk by, it’s noticeable how the Rosemary Bistro streetery reeks of urine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When we walk by, it’s noticeable how the Rosemary Bistro streetery reeks of urine.

What the actual f are you talking about, Carolyn Papetti?

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Anonymous wrote:When we walk by, it’s noticeable how the Rosemary Bistro streetery reeks of urine.

What the actual f are you talking about, Carolyn Papetti?

People are sure getting pissy about this sad streetery.

[Anonymous]

Looks like they won't qualify for a permanent streatery under the guidelines posted by DDOT as Connecticut is rush hour restricted. That is very good news. Bad news, they can stay until next July (!)

https://publicspaceactivation.ddot.dc.gov/pages/streateries

[Anonymous]

This whole issue is such a nothingburger. This past month I've driven past the streetery more than a dozen times, including during rush hour. Sure it blocks the right lane, but there are always cars parked or idling in that lane less than a block up. Not once was this lane unblocked enough to actually use. Who cares about this streetery when the lane is already unusable lol.

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Anonymous wrote:When we walk by, it’s noticeable how the Rosemary Bistro streetery reeks of urine.

What the actual f are you talking about, Carolyn Papetti?

People are sure getting pissy about this sad streetery.

During off hours street people are using this streetery as their street potty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This whole issue is such a nothingburger. This past month I've driven past the streetery more than a dozen times, including during rush hour. Sure it blocks the right lane, but there are always cars parked or idling in that lane less than a block up. Not once was this lane unblocked enough to actually use. Who cares about this streetery when the lane is already unusable lol.

I like the look. It's reminiscent of a shantytown with more exhaust smell.

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Anonymous wrote:This whole issue is such a nothingburger. This past month I've driven past the streetery more than a dozen times, including during rush hour. Sure it blocks the right lane, but there are always cars parked or idling in that lane less than a block up. Not once was this lane unblocked enough to actually use. Who cares about this streetery when the lane is already unusable lol.

I like the look. It's reminiscent of a shantytown with more exhaust smell.

A real “streetepotty.”