Rosemary's Bistro Blocking Connecticut Avenue

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Anonymous wrote:Is there an update on the competing petitions between Eddie Cano and Rosemary Bistro? Also will Rosemary Bistro close the streetery at end of 2024? So odd that there was so much vitriol and now, silence from all parties. Also curious how the traffic has been in mornings.

Traffic flows pretty much unimpeded. The bottleneck north of Dupont is also not really much of an issue. The worst traffic at Calvert due to the left turn signal being a delayed one in a lane that can go south (straight) or east (left). A turning only lane, even if it is a short one, would help a lot.

One continuous issue on Connecticut and throughout the city is cars taking a right from the center lane. When there are pedestrians in the crosswalk, they block the rightmost traffic lane when they should pull into the right lane past parked cars to turn. It is just laziness that causes drivers to have to slow down on their commute.

What? That's just wrong on so many levels. For instance, Woodley Park ("the bottle neck north of Dupont") has the lowest level of traffic on all of Connecticut Ave.

Connecticut and Nebraska is one of the most congested intersections in the entire DMV during rush hour. It sucks.

One of the worst parts about the Internet is that you can just make stuff up and be wrong and anonymous.

According to DDOT's own numbers it's the most congested intersection, on the most congested stretch of one of the most heavily trafficed roads in the City. That intersection is so congested that even the neighboring side streets, like Albermarle, are now jam packed from people avoiding it.

Meanwhile you clearly don't live in the area and don't even know where the intersection is.

The congestion there is not solely related to the streetery but the streetery makes the intersection much worse and much less safe. The pandemic is over. Things are only going to get worse, especially if people start going back into the office on Mondays and Fridays.

The streetery has almost no impact...there is a right turn arrow that virtually all of the drivers use. The through traffic is already in the center and left lane. The streetery is in the right lane. Do the math.

Dear idiot: all the traffic is backed up all the way to hell in the center lane because anyone who's used this road on a prior morning understands that if they don't get over now, they never will.

Instead they'll be stuck in one place, contemplating the Kermit the Frog green Jersey barriers of Rosemary's in what should be the right lane of traffic.

The right turn lane is turning right, the center and left are going straight. This isn't hard.

Why are you opining on and spreading aggressively ignorant disinformation on something that you clearly know nothing about?

Not the prior poster, but DDOT has released several traffic studies of Conn Ave and every one of them showed that the outer lanes were ***FAR*** less utilized by drivers than the middle two lanes, because of the turning traffic or random parked cars that shouldn't be there but are constantly.

The eatery is not in a turn only lane. It's blocking a regular straight lane. And anyone who does want to turn right after the eatery has to move left and then move right again quickly after the eatery. This is a location heavily trafficked by school children walking to school and residents of the elder care home. Lots of lane changing right there, with limited vision heading up to it, is unnecessarily dangerous. For what purpose? Is a handful of extra seats at one restaurant really worth this risk?

Two lanes slow traffic more than three lanes, so the street with a streetery is actually better for little Timmy crossing it than one without it.

Except people then take side streets to avoid the backup caused by a private business squatting on public property.

Silly poster, they take side streets anyway.

Put up more rush hour no-turn and no-thru restrictions to keep the traffic off the side streets and on Connecticut Avenue where it belongs.

The whole point of a grid street design is to allow pouricity of traffic flow. Adding restrictions simply turns the arterials into car sewers.

Washington DC follow the federal functional classification of streets, not a true grid system. Arterials are intended to carry the major traffic. Better Connecticut than Albemarle or Northampton Streets.

This is the unfortunate reality. There is no "better" place to route traffic. Short of digging an expressway underground or getting people back on metro (both essentially impossible these days) you're going to have CT carry the through volume.

Its unfortunate that businesses sprung up along CT, because now we know the suburban stroad design is terrible for everyone. Businesses and commuters alike.

The streeteries are great for the business and the local residents, both the revenue generators the city has. Making it easier for suburban drivers in single occupancy cars should never be the priority.

And yet for so many, it's their primary priority and any shift away from it they decry as a cultural war against their inalienable right to pollute our streets and cities and maim or kill it's inhabitants.

COME ON.

Neither of you used the phrase carbrain or carbrained? This BINGO card isn’t going to fill itself out, you know.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there an update on the competing petitions between Eddie Cano and Rosemary Bistro? Also will Rosemary Bistro close the streetery at end of 2024? So odd that there was so much vitriol and now, silence from all parties. Also curious how the traffic has been in mornings.

Traffic flows pretty much unimpeded. The bottleneck north of Dupont is also not really much of an issue. The worst traffic at Calvert due to the left turn signal being a delayed one in a lane that can go south (straight) or east (left). A turning only lane, even if it is a short one, would help a lot.

One continuous issue on Connecticut and throughout the city is cars taking a right from the center lane. When there are pedestrians in the crosswalk, they block the rightmost traffic lane when they should pull into the right lane past parked cars to turn. It is just laziness that causes drivers to have to slow down on their commute.

What? That's just wrong on so many levels. For instance, Woodley Park ("the bottle neck north of Dupont") has the lowest level of traffic on all of Connecticut Ave.

Connecticut and Nebraska is one of the most congested intersections in the entire DMV during rush hour. It sucks.

One of the worst parts about the Internet is that you can just make stuff up and be wrong and anonymous.

According to DDOT's own numbers it's the most congested intersection, on the most congested stretch of one of the most heavily trafficed roads in the City. That intersection is so congested that even the neighboring side streets, like Albermarle, are now jam packed from people avoiding it.

Meanwhile you clearly don't live in the area and don't even know where the intersection is.

The congestion there is not solely related to the streetery but the streetery makes the intersection much worse and much less safe. The pandemic is over. Things are only going to get worse, especially if people start going back into the office on Mondays and Fridays.

The streetery has almost no impact...there is a right turn arrow that virtually all of the drivers use. The through traffic is already in the center and left lane. The streetery is in the right lane. Do the math.

Dear idiot: all the traffic is backed up all the way to hell in the center lane because anyone who's used this road on a prior morning understands that if they don't get over now, they never will.

Instead they'll be stuck in one place, contemplating the Kermit the Frog green Jersey barriers of Rosemary's in what should be the right lane of traffic.

The right turn lane is turning right, the center and left are going straight. This isn't hard.

Why are you opining on and spreading aggressively ignorant disinformation on something that you clearly know nothing about?

Not the prior poster, but DDOT has released several traffic studies of Conn Ave and every one of them showed that the outer lanes were ***FAR*** less utilized by drivers than the middle two lanes, because of the turning traffic or random parked cars that shouldn't be there but are constantly.

The eatery is not in a turn only lane. It's blocking a regular straight lane. And anyone who does want to turn right after the eatery has to move left and then move right again quickly after the eatery. This is a location heavily trafficked by school children walking to school and residents of the elder care home. Lots of lane changing right there, with limited vision heading up to it, is unnecessarily dangerous. For what purpose? Is a handful of extra seats at one restaurant really worth this risk?

Two lanes slow traffic more than three lanes, so the street with a streetery is actually better for little Timmy crossing it than one without it.

Except people then take side streets to avoid the backup caused by a private business squatting on public property.

Silly poster, they take side streets anyway.

Put up more rush hour no-turn and no-thru restrictions to keep the traffic off the side streets and on Connecticut Avenue where it belongs.

The whole point of a grid street design is to allow pouricity of traffic flow. Adding restrictions simply turns the arterials into car sewers.

Washington DC follow the federal functional classification of streets, not a true grid system. Arterials are intended to carry the major traffic. Better Connecticut than Albemarle or Northampton Streets.

This is the unfortunate reality. There is no "better" place to route traffic. Short of digging an expressway underground or getting people back on metro (both essentially impossible these days) you're going to have CT carry the through volume.

Its unfortunate that businesses sprung up along CT, because now we know the suburban stroad design is terrible for everyone. Businesses and commuters alike.

The streeteries are great for the business and the local residents, both the revenue generators the city has. Making it easier for suburban drivers in single occupancy cars should never be the priority.

And yet for so many, it's their primary priority and any shift away from it they decry as a cultural war against their inalienable right to pollute our streets and cities and maim or kill it's inhabitants.

COME ON.

Neither of you used the phrase carbrain or carbrained? This BINGO card isn’t going to fill itself out, you know.

Seriously. Arguing with a evangelist anti-car nut is a bit like arguing with a young-Earth creationist, NRA lifetime member, or pro-lifer.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there an update on the competing petitions between Eddie Cano and Rosemary Bistro? Also will Rosemary Bistro close the streetery at end of 2024? So odd that there was so much vitriol and now, silence from all parties. Also curious how the traffic has been in mornings.

Traffic flows pretty much unimpeded. The bottleneck north of Dupont is also not really much of an issue. The worst traffic at Calvert due to the left turn signal being a delayed one in a lane that can go south (straight) or east (left). A turning only lane, even if it is a short one, would help a lot.

One continuous issue on Connecticut and throughout the city is cars taking a right from the center lane. When there are pedestrians in the crosswalk, they block the rightmost traffic lane when they should pull into the right lane past parked cars to turn. It is just laziness that causes drivers to have to slow down on their commute.

What? That's just wrong on so many levels. For instance, Woodley Park ("the bottle neck north of Dupont") has the lowest level of traffic on all of Connecticut Ave.

Connecticut and Nebraska is one of the most congested intersections in the entire DMV during rush hour. It sucks.

One of the worst parts about the Internet is that you can just make stuff up and be wrong and anonymous.

According to DDOT's own numbers it's the most congested intersection, on the most congested stretch of one of the most heavily trafficed roads in the City. That intersection is so congested that even the neighboring side streets, like Albermarle, are now jam packed from people avoiding it.

Meanwhile you clearly don't live in the area and don't even know where the intersection is.

The congestion there is not solely related to the streetery but the streetery makes the intersection much worse and much less safe. The pandemic is over. Things are only going to get worse, especially if people start going back into the office on Mondays and Fridays.

The streetery has almost no impact...there is a right turn arrow that virtually all of the drivers use. The through traffic is already in the center and left lane. The streetery is in the right lane. Do the math.

Dear idiot: all the traffic is backed up all the way to hell in the center lane because anyone who's used this road on a prior morning understands that if they don't get over now, they never will.

Instead they'll be stuck in one place, contemplating the Kermit the Frog green Jersey barriers of Rosemary's in what should be the right lane of traffic.

The right turn lane is turning right, the center and left are going straight. This isn't hard.

Why are you opining on and spreading aggressively ignorant disinformation on something that you clearly know nothing about?

Not the prior poster, but DDOT has released several traffic studies of Conn Ave and every one of them showed that the outer lanes were ***FAR*** less utilized by drivers than the middle two lanes, because of the turning traffic or random parked cars that shouldn't be there but are constantly.

The eatery is not in a turn only lane. It's blocking a regular straight lane. And anyone who does want to turn right after the eatery has to move left and then move right again quickly after the eatery. This is a location heavily trafficked by school children walking to school and residents of the elder care home. Lots of lane changing right there, with limited vision heading up to it, is unnecessarily dangerous. For what purpose? Is a handful of extra seats at one restaurant really worth this risk?

Two lanes slow traffic more than three lanes, so the street with a streetery is actually better for little Timmy crossing it than one without it.

Except people then take side streets to avoid the backup caused by a private business squatting on public property.

Silly poster, they take side streets anyway.

Put up more rush hour no-turn and no-thru restrictions to keep the traffic off the side streets and on Connecticut Avenue where it belongs.

The whole point of a grid street design is to allow pouricity of traffic flow. Adding restrictions simply turns the arterials into car sewers.

That part of town does not follow the grid system of downtown.

Really?

Wisconsin, Reno/34th, Connecticut, Linnean/Nevada and Utah are all north-south routes, and the lettered streets from Albemarle north to Western couldn't be more of a grid. Look at a map sometime.

Lordy, you're unsufferable.

Assuming you looked at the map you are referencing you should have noticed that Linnean and Reno are not straight. Heck, you also should have known that state streets aren't either. And then there's Rock Creek Park.

For someone that is agressively wrong about everything and constantly opines about matters in parts of town that you have never been you have an impressively smooth brain.

I guess you didn't look at a map. There are numbered streets, several "main" north-south routes and the three syllable lettered streets. They are a grid for the most part.

that "for the most part" does a lot of work for you. the simple fact is that the l'enfant grid does not extend and you do not know anything about that part of town.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there an update on the competing petitions between Eddie Cano and Rosemary Bistro? Also will Rosemary Bistro close the streetery at end of 2024? So odd that there was so much vitriol and now, silence from all parties. Also curious how the traffic has been in mornings.

Traffic flows pretty much unimpeded. The bottleneck north of Dupont is also not really much of an issue. The worst traffic at Calvert due to the left turn signal being a delayed one in a lane that can go south (straight) or east (left). A turning only lane, even if it is a short one, would help a lot.

One continuous issue on Connecticut and throughout the city is cars taking a right from the center lane. When there are pedestrians in the crosswalk, they block the rightmost traffic lane when they should pull into the right lane past parked cars to turn. It is just laziness that causes drivers to have to slow down on their commute.

What? That's just wrong on so many levels. For instance, Woodley Park ("the bottle neck north of Dupont") has the lowest level of traffic on all of Connecticut Ave.

Connecticut and Nebraska is one of the most congested intersections in the entire DMV during rush hour. It sucks.

One of the worst parts about the Internet is that you can just make stuff up and be wrong and anonymous.

According to DDOT's own numbers it's the most congested intersection, on the most congested stretch of one of the most heavily trafficed roads in the City. That intersection is so congested that even the neighboring side streets, like Albermarle, are now jam packed from people avoiding it.

Meanwhile you clearly don't live in the area and don't even know where the intersection is.

The congestion there is not solely related to the streetery but the streetery makes the intersection much worse and much less safe. The pandemic is over. Things are only going to get worse, especially if people start going back into the office on Mondays and Fridays.

The streetery has almost no impact...there is a right turn arrow that virtually all of the drivers use. The through traffic is already in the center and left lane. The streetery is in the right lane. Do the math.

Dear idiot: all the traffic is backed up all the way to hell in the center lane because anyone who's used this road on a prior morning understands that if they don't get over now, they never will.

Instead they'll be stuck in one place, contemplating the Kermit the Frog green Jersey barriers of Rosemary's in what should be the right lane of traffic.

The right turn lane is turning right, the center and left are going straight. This isn't hard.

Why are you opining on and spreading aggressively ignorant disinformation on something that you clearly know nothing about?

Not the prior poster, but DDOT has released several traffic studies of Conn Ave and every one of them showed that the outer lanes were ***FAR*** less utilized by drivers than the middle two lanes, because of the turning traffic or random parked cars that shouldn't be there but are constantly.

The eatery is not in a turn only lane. It's blocking a regular straight lane. And anyone who does want to turn right after the eatery has to move left and then move right again quickly after the eatery. This is a location heavily trafficked by school children walking to school and residents of the elder care home. Lots of lane changing right there, with limited vision heading up to it, is unnecessarily dangerous. For what purpose? Is a handful of extra seats at one restaurant really worth this risk?

Two lanes slow traffic more than three lanes, so the street with a streetery is actually better for little Timmy crossing it than one without it.

Except people then take side streets to avoid the backup caused by a private business squatting on public property.

Silly poster, they take side streets anyway.

Put up more rush hour no-turn and no-thru restrictions to keep the traffic off the side streets and on Connecticut Avenue where it belongs.

The whole point of a grid street design is to allow pouricity of traffic flow. Adding restrictions simply turns the arterials into car sewers.

Washington DC follow the federal functional classification of streets, not a true grid system. Arterials are intended to carry the major traffic. Better Connecticut than Albemarle or Northampton Streets.

This is the unfortunate reality. There is no "better" place to route traffic. Short of digging an expressway underground or getting people back on metro (both essentially impossible these days) you're going to have CT carry the through volume.

Its unfortunate that businesses sprung up along CT, because now we know the suburban stroad design is terrible for everyone. Businesses and commuters alike.

The streeteries are great for the business and the local residents, both the revenue generators the city has. Making it easier for suburban drivers in single occupancy cars should never be the priority.

And yet for so many, it's their primary priority and any shift away from it they decry as a cultural war against their inalienable right to pollute our streets and cities and maim or kill it's inhabitants.

Except that some car critics here seem to have far less concern with traffic fumes and safety provided that the traffic shifts away from Connecticut Avenue to the “grid” — the narrower neighborhood streets which is the last place more thru traffic should be encouraged.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there an update on the competing petitions between Eddie Cano and Rosemary Bistro? Also will Rosemary Bistro close the streetery at end of 2024? So odd that there was so much vitriol and now, silence from all parties. Also curious how the traffic has been in mornings.

Traffic flows pretty much unimpeded. The bottleneck north of Dupont is also not really much of an issue. The worst traffic at Calvert due to the left turn signal being a delayed one in a lane that can go south (straight) or east (left). A turning only lane, even if it is a short one, would help a lot.

One continuous issue on Connecticut and throughout the city is cars taking a right from the center lane. When there are pedestrians in the crosswalk, they block the rightmost traffic lane when they should pull into the right lane past parked cars to turn. It is just laziness that causes drivers to have to slow down on their commute.

What? That's just wrong on so many levels. For instance, Woodley Park ("the bottle neck north of Dupont") has the lowest level of traffic on all of Connecticut Ave.

Connecticut and Nebraska is one of the most congested intersections in the entire DMV during rush hour. It sucks.

One of the worst parts about the Internet is that you can just make stuff up and be wrong and anonymous.

According to DDOT's own numbers it's the most congested intersection, on the most congested stretch of one of the most heavily trafficed roads in the City. That intersection is so congested that even the neighboring side streets, like Albermarle, are now jam packed from people avoiding it.

Meanwhile you clearly don't live in the area and don't even know where the intersection is.

The congestion there is not solely related to the streetery but the streetery makes the intersection much worse and much less safe. The pandemic is over. Things are only going to get worse, especially if people start going back into the office on Mondays and Fridays.

The streetery has almost no impact...there is a right turn arrow that virtually all of the drivers use. The through traffic is already in the center and left lane. The streetery is in the right lane. Do the math.

Dear idiot: all the traffic is backed up all the way to hell in the center lane because anyone who's used this road on a prior morning understands that if they don't get over now, they never will.

Instead they'll be stuck in one place, contemplating the Kermit the Frog green Jersey barriers of Rosemary's in what should be the right lane of traffic.

The right turn lane is turning right, the center and left are going straight. This isn't hard.

Why are you opining on and spreading aggressively ignorant disinformation on something that you clearly know nothing about?

Not the prior poster, but DDOT has released several traffic studies of Conn Ave and every one of them showed that the outer lanes were ***FAR*** less utilized by drivers than the middle two lanes, because of the turning traffic or random parked cars that shouldn't be there but are constantly.

The eatery is not in a turn only lane. It's blocking a regular straight lane. And anyone who does want to turn right after the eatery has to move left and then move right again quickly after the eatery. This is a location heavily trafficked by school children walking to school and residents of the elder care home. Lots of lane changing right there, with limited vision heading up to it, is unnecessarily dangerous. For what purpose? Is a handful of extra seats at one restaurant really worth this risk?

Two lanes slow traffic more than three lanes, so the street with a streetery is actually better for little Timmy crossing it than one without it.

Except people then take side streets to avoid the backup caused by a private business squatting on public property.

Silly poster, they take side streets anyway.

Put up more rush hour no-turn and no-thru restrictions to keep the traffic off the side streets and on Connecticut Avenue where it belongs.

The whole point of a grid street design is to allow pouricity of traffic flow. Adding restrictions simply turns the arterials into car sewers.

Washington DC follow the federal functional classification of streets, not a true grid system. Arterials are intended to carry the major traffic. Better Connecticut than Albemarle or Northampton Streets.

This is the unfortunate reality. There is no "better" place to route traffic. Short of digging an expressway underground or getting people back on metro (both essentially impossible these days) you're going to have CT carry the through volume.

Its unfortunate that businesses sprung up along CT, because now we know the suburban stroad design is terrible for everyone. Businesses and commuters alike.

The streeteries are great for the business and the local residents, both the revenue generators the city has. Making it easier for suburban drivers in single occupancy cars should never be the priority.

And yet for so many, it's their primary priority and any shift away from it they decry as a cultural war against their inalienable right to pollute our streets and cities and maim or kill it's inhabitants.

Except that some car critics here seem to have far less concern with traffic fumes and safety provided that the traffic shifts away from Connecticut Avenue to the “grid” — the narrower neighborhood streets which is the last place more thru traffic should be encouraged.

Blah blah blah. Whether your SUV is moving or idling its still polluting and you could have taken metro. Buzz off.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there an update on the competing petitions between Eddie Cano and Rosemary Bistro? Also will Rosemary Bistro close the streetery at end of 2024? So odd that there was so much vitriol and now, silence from all parties. Also curious how the traffic has been in mornings.

Traffic flows pretty much unimpeded. The bottleneck north of Dupont is also not really much of an issue. The worst traffic at Calvert due to the left turn signal being a delayed one in a lane that can go south (straight) or east (left). A turning only lane, even if it is a short one, would help a lot.

One continuous issue on Connecticut and throughout the city is cars taking a right from the center lane. When there are pedestrians in the crosswalk, they block the rightmost traffic lane when they should pull into the right lane past parked cars to turn. It is just laziness that causes drivers to have to slow down on their commute.

What? That's just wrong on so many levels. For instance, Woodley Park ("the bottle neck north of Dupont") has the lowest level of traffic on all of Connecticut Ave.

Connecticut and Nebraska is one of the most congested intersections in the entire DMV during rush hour. It sucks.

One of the worst parts about the Internet is that you can just make stuff up and be wrong and anonymous.

According to DDOT's own numbers it's the most congested intersection, on the most congested stretch of one of the most heavily trafficed roads in the City. That intersection is so congested that even the neighboring side streets, like Albermarle, are now jam packed from people avoiding it.

Meanwhile you clearly don't live in the area and don't even know where the intersection is.

The congestion there is not solely related to the streetery but the streetery makes the intersection much worse and much less safe. The pandemic is over. Things are only going to get worse, especially if people start going back into the office on Mondays and Fridays.

The streetery has almost no impact...there is a right turn arrow that virtually all of the drivers use. The through traffic is already in the center and left lane. The streetery is in the right lane. Do the math.

Dear idiot: all the traffic is backed up all the way to hell in the center lane because anyone who's used this road on a prior morning understands that if they don't get over now, they never will.

Instead they'll be stuck in one place, contemplating the Kermit the Frog green Jersey barriers of Rosemary's in what should be the right lane of traffic.

The right turn lane is turning right, the center and left are going straight. This isn't hard.

Why are you opining on and spreading aggressively ignorant disinformation on something that you clearly know nothing about?

Not the prior poster, but DDOT has released several traffic studies of Conn Ave and every one of them showed that the outer lanes were ***FAR*** less utilized by drivers than the middle two lanes, because of the turning traffic or random parked cars that shouldn't be there but are constantly.

The eatery is not in a turn only lane. It's blocking a regular straight lane. And anyone who does want to turn right after the eatery has to move left and then move right again quickly after the eatery. This is a location heavily trafficked by school children walking to school and residents of the elder care home. Lots of lane changing right there, with limited vision heading up to it, is unnecessarily dangerous. For what purpose? Is a handful of extra seats at one restaurant really worth this risk?

Two lanes slow traffic more than three lanes, so the street with a streetery is actually better for little Timmy crossing it than one without it.

Except people then take side streets to avoid the backup caused by a private business squatting on public property.

Silly poster, they take side streets anyway.

Put up more rush hour no-turn and no-thru restrictions to keep the traffic off the side streets and on Connecticut Avenue where it belongs.

The whole point of a grid street design is to allow pouricity of traffic flow. Adding restrictions simply turns the arterials into car sewers.

Washington DC follow the federal functional classification of streets, not a true grid system. Arterials are intended to carry the major traffic. Better Connecticut than Albemarle or Northampton Streets.

This is the unfortunate reality. There is no "better" place to route traffic. Short of digging an expressway underground or getting people back on metro (both essentially impossible these days) you're going to have CT carry the through volume.

Its unfortunate that businesses sprung up along CT, because now we know the suburban stroad design is terrible for everyone. Businesses and commuters alike.

The streeteries are great for the business and the local residents, both the revenue generators the city has. Making it easier for suburban drivers in single occupancy cars should never be the priority.

And yet for so many, it's their primary priority and any shift away from it they decry as a cultural war against their inalienable right to pollute our streets and cities and maim or kill it's inhabitants.

Except that some car critics here seem to have far less concern with traffic fumes and safety provided that the traffic shifts away from Connecticut Avenue to the “grid” — the narrower neighborhood streets which is the last place more thru traffic should be encouraged.

Blah blah blah. Whether your SUV is moving or idling its still polluting and you could have taken metro. Buzz off.

So sayeth the Navy Yard bikebros fhat thinks you live in Maryland!

They've been here all of five years and don't you know that upper NW is undesirable because everyone wants to live in Ivy City.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there an update on the competing petitions between Eddie Cano and Rosemary Bistro? Also will Rosemary Bistro close the streetery at end of 2024? So odd that there was so much vitriol and now, silence from all parties. Also curious how the traffic has been in mornings.

Traffic flows pretty much unimpeded. The bottleneck north of Dupont is also not really much of an issue. The worst traffic at Calvert due to the left turn signal being a delayed one in a lane that can go south (straight) or east (left). A turning only lane, even if it is a short one, would help a lot.

One continuous issue on Connecticut and throughout the city is cars taking a right from the center lane. When there are pedestrians in the crosswalk, they block the rightmost traffic lane when they should pull into the right lane past parked cars to turn. It is just laziness that causes drivers to have to slow down on their commute.

What? That's just wrong on so many levels. For instance, Woodley Park ("the bottle neck north of Dupont") has the lowest level of traffic on all of Connecticut Ave.

Connecticut and Nebraska is one of the most congested intersections in the entire DMV during rush hour. It sucks.

One of the worst parts about the Internet is that you can just make stuff up and be wrong and anonymous.

According to DDOT's own numbers it's the most congested intersection, on the most congested stretch of one of the most heavily trafficed roads in the City. That intersection is so congested that even the neighboring side streets, like Albermarle, are now jam packed from people avoiding it.

Meanwhile you clearly don't live in the area and don't even know where the intersection is.

The congestion there is not solely related to the streetery but the streetery makes the intersection much worse and much less safe. The pandemic is over. Things are only going to get worse, especially if people start going back into the office on Mondays and Fridays.

The streetery has almost no impact...there is a right turn arrow that virtually all of the drivers use. The through traffic is already in the center and left lane. The streetery is in the right lane. Do the math.

Dear idiot: all the traffic is backed up all the way to hell in the center lane because anyone who's used this road on a prior morning understands that if they don't get over now, they never will.

Instead they'll be stuck in one place, contemplating the Kermit the Frog green Jersey barriers of Rosemary's in what should be the right lane of traffic.

The right turn lane is turning right, the center and left are going straight. This isn't hard.

Why are you opining on and spreading aggressively ignorant disinformation on something that you clearly know nothing about?

Not the prior poster, but DDOT has released several traffic studies of Conn Ave and every one of them showed that the outer lanes were ***FAR*** less utilized by drivers than the middle two lanes, because of the turning traffic or random parked cars that shouldn't be there but are constantly.

The eatery is not in a turn only lane. It's blocking a regular straight lane. And anyone who does want to turn right after the eatery has to move left and then move right again quickly after the eatery. This is a location heavily trafficked by school children walking to school and residents of the elder care home. Lots of lane changing right there, with limited vision heading up to it, is unnecessarily dangerous. For what purpose? Is a handful of extra seats at one restaurant really worth this risk?

Two lanes slow traffic more than three lanes, so the street with a streetery is actually better for little Timmy crossing it than one without it.

Except people then take side streets to avoid the backup caused by a private business squatting on public property.

Silly poster, they take side streets anyway.

Put up more rush hour no-turn and no-thru restrictions to keep the traffic off the side streets and on Connecticut Avenue where it belongs.

The whole point of a grid street design is to allow pouricity of traffic flow. Adding restrictions simply turns the arterials into car sewers.

Washington DC follow the federal functional classification of streets, not a true grid system. Arterials are intended to carry the major traffic. Better Connecticut than Albemarle or Northampton Streets.

This is the unfortunate reality. There is no "better" place to route traffic. Short of digging an expressway underground or getting people back on metro (both essentially impossible these days) you're going to have CT carry the through volume.

Its unfortunate that businesses sprung up along CT, because now we know the suburban stroad design is terrible for everyone. Businesses and commuters alike.

The streeteries are great for the business and the local residents, both the revenue generators the city has. Making it easier for suburban drivers in single occupancy cars should never be the priority.

And yet for so many, it's their primary priority and any shift away from it they decry as a cultural war against their inalienable right to pollute our streets and cities and maim or kill it's inhabitants.

Except that some car critics here seem to have far less concern with traffic fumes and safety provided that the traffic shifts away from Connecticut Avenue to the “grid” — the narrower neighborhood streets which is the last place more thru traffic should be encouraged.

Blah blah blah. Whether your SUV is moving or idling its still polluting and you could have taken metro. Buzz off.

So sayeth the Navy Yard bikebros fhat thinks you live in Maryland!

They've been here all of five years and don't you know that upper NW is undesirable because everyone wants to live in Ivy City.

Meanwhile the Bike Bros’ pals, the Density Bros (or are they much the same?) have wet dreams about making Chevy Chase DC into Navy Yard NW

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I have never seen someone eating in the streaterie there. Time for it to go.

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How about it's f-ugly and it's pissing off the retail neighbors. I think that's enough.

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Anonymous wrote:How about it's f-ugly and it's pissing off the retail neighbors. I think that's enough.

Speaking of pissing off, the vaunted streetery smells like a vagrant potty.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there an update on the competing petitions between Eddie Cano and Rosemary Bistro? Also will Rosemary Bistro close the streetery at end of 2024? So odd that there was so much vitriol and now, silence from all parties. Also curious how the traffic has been in mornings.

Traffic flows pretty much unimpeded. The bottleneck north of Dupont is also not really much of an issue. The worst traffic at Calvert due to the left turn signal being a delayed one in a lane that can go south (straight) or east (left). A turning only lane, even if it is a short one, would help a lot.

One continuous issue on Connecticut and throughout the city is cars taking a right from the center lane. When there are pedestrians in the crosswalk, they block the rightmost traffic lane when they should pull into the right lane past parked cars to turn. It is just laziness that causes drivers to have to slow down on their commute.

What? That's just wrong on so many levels. For instance, Woodley Park ("the bottle neck north of Dupont") has the lowest level of traffic on all of Connecticut Ave.

Connecticut and Nebraska is one of the most congested intersections in the entire DMV during rush hour. It sucks.

One of the worst parts about the Internet is that you can just make stuff up and be wrong and anonymous.

According to DDOT's own numbers it's the most congested intersection, on the most congested stretch of one of the most heavily trafficed roads in the City. That intersection is so congested that even the neighboring side streets, like Albermarle, are now jam packed from people avoiding it.

Meanwhile you clearly don't live in the area and don't even know where the intersection is.

The congestion there is not solely related to the streetery but the streetery makes the intersection much worse and much less safe. The pandemic is over. Things are only going to get worse, especially if people start going back into the office on Mondays and Fridays.

The streetery has almost no impact...there is a right turn arrow that virtually all of the drivers use. The through traffic is already in the center and left lane. The streetery is in the right lane. Do the math.

Dear idiot: all the traffic is backed up all the way to hell in the center lane because anyone who's used this road on a prior morning understands that if they don't get over now, they never will.

Instead they'll be stuck in one place, contemplating the Kermit the Frog green Jersey barriers of Rosemary's in what should be the right lane of traffic.

The right turn lane is turning right, the center and left are going straight. This isn't hard.

Why are you opining on and spreading aggressively ignorant disinformation on something that you clearly know nothing about?

Not the prior poster, but DDOT has released several traffic studies of Conn Ave and every one of them showed that the outer lanes were ***FAR*** less utilized by drivers than the middle two lanes, because of the turning traffic or random parked cars that shouldn't be there but are constantly.

The eatery is not in a turn only lane. It's blocking a regular straight lane. And anyone who does want to turn right after the eatery has to move left and then move right again quickly after the eatery. This is a location heavily trafficked by school children walking to school and residents of the elder care home. Lots of lane changing right there, with limited vision heading up to it, is unnecessarily dangerous. For what purpose? Is a handful of extra seats at one restaurant really worth this risk?

Two lanes slow traffic more than three lanes, so the street with a streetery is actually better for little Timmy crossing it than one without it.

Except people then take side streets to avoid the backup caused by a private business squatting on public property.

Silly poster, they take side streets anyway.

Put up more rush hour no-turn and no-thru restrictions to keep the traffic off the side streets and on Connecticut Avenue where it belongs.

The whole point of a grid street design is to allow pouricity of traffic flow. Adding restrictions simply turns the arterials into car sewers.

Washington DC follow the federal functional classification of streets, not a true grid system. Arterials are intended to carry the major traffic. Better Connecticut than Albemarle or Northampton Streets.

This is the unfortunate reality. There is no "better" place to route traffic. Short of digging an expressway underground or getting people back on metro (both essentially impossible these days) you're going to have CT carry the through volume.

Its unfortunate that businesses sprung up along CT, because now we know the suburban stroad design is terrible for everyone. Businesses and commuters alike.

Not unfortunate for residents who patronize those businesses. Surely commuters realize that they are driving on city streets where businesses “sprang up” over 100 years ago?

The average commuter doesn't care about anything but getting where they are going .1 seconds faster. That's why CT businesses punch well below their weight. The volume of commuters just makes the whole area less pleasant than it could be. CT Ave is almost devoid of "destinations" and relies almost entirely on local patronage. That would be fine if landlords priced rent to reflect that, but they still seem to think they can draw people from across town or the burbs.

CT avenue is just a slightly higher end NY Ave, and until people realize it and start fixing the design, its going to be stuck in this "should be good, but isn't" gray zone.

There is no functional or aesthetic correlation between NY Ave and CT Ave. none.

Functionally, you are correct as NY Ave moves something like 4x the cars each day. They terminate about 5 blocks from each other. Aesthetically, they are both dotted with fast food restaurants, gas stations and a Days Inn. A lot of the people who used to live on/near NY Ave now live on/near CT Ave. On the plus side NY Ave takes you by Kenilworth and the Arboretum while CT has more street trees.

The biggest difference is that NY Ave borders successful commercial districts like Union Market and Dakota Crossing. CT Ave is bisected by struggling stretches of businesses.

In short, NY Ave moves more people while also being a better business incubator because it separates functions while CT Ave jams everything together.

It is a traffic sewer that has absolutely zero walkability appeal from the district line to NOMA. the two commercial areas you cite have their back on NY Ave and turn inward or a different orientation.

That was my somewhat tongue-in-cheek point. Somehow low-rent NY Ave figured out how to move commuters and support a business corridor. All it took was turning the business away from the main drag. My secondary point is that CT Ave is definitely on a downward trend, and probably needs to get worse before anyone will be willing to make the orientation changes to match what's going on with NY Ave.

So yes, there is a way to accommodate commuters and local shopping needs, even becoming a destination again. It just requires Ward 3 boomers to allow some things to change.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there an update on the competing petitions between Eddie Cano and Rosemary Bistro? Also will Rosemary Bistro close the streetery at end of 2024? So odd that there was so much vitriol and now, silence from all parties. Also curious how the traffic has been in mornings.

Traffic flows pretty much unimpeded. The bottleneck north of Dupont is also not really much of an issue. The worst traffic at Calvert due to the left turn signal being a delayed one in a lane that can go south (straight) or east (left). A turning only lane, even if it is a short one, would help a lot.

One continuous issue on Connecticut and throughout the city is cars taking a right from the center lane. When there are pedestrians in the crosswalk, they block the rightmost traffic lane when they should pull into the right lane past parked cars to turn. It is just laziness that causes drivers to have to slow down on their commute.

What? That's just wrong on so many levels. For instance, Woodley Park ("the bottle neck north of Dupont") has the lowest level of traffic on all of Connecticut Ave.

Connecticut and Nebraska is one of the most congested intersections in the entire DMV during rush hour. It sucks.

One of the worst parts about the Internet is that you can just make stuff up and be wrong and anonymous.

According to DDOT's own numbers it's the most congested intersection, on the most congested stretch of one of the most heavily trafficed roads in the City. That intersection is so congested that even the neighboring side streets, like Albermarle, are now jam packed from people avoiding it.

Meanwhile you clearly don't live in the area and don't even know where the intersection is.

The congestion there is not solely related to the streetery but the streetery makes the intersection much worse and much less safe. The pandemic is over. Things are only going to get worse, especially if people start going back into the office on Mondays and Fridays.

The streetery has almost no impact...there is a right turn arrow that virtually all of the drivers use. The through traffic is already in the center and left lane. The streetery is in the right lane. Do the math.

Dear idiot: all the traffic is backed up all the way to hell in the center lane because anyone who's used this road on a prior morning understands that if they don't get over now, they never will.

Instead they'll be stuck in one place, contemplating the Kermit the Frog green Jersey barriers of Rosemary's in what should be the right lane of traffic.

The right turn lane is turning right, the center and left are going straight. This isn't hard.

Why are you opining on and spreading aggressively ignorant disinformation on something that you clearly know nothing about?

Not the prior poster, but DDOT has released several traffic studies of Conn Ave and every one of them showed that the outer lanes were ***FAR*** less utilized by drivers than the middle two lanes, because of the turning traffic or random parked cars that shouldn't be there but are constantly.

The eatery is not in a turn only lane. It's blocking a regular straight lane. And anyone who does want to turn right after the eatery has to move left and then move right again quickly after the eatery. This is a location heavily trafficked by school children walking to school and residents of the elder care home. Lots of lane changing right there, with limited vision heading up to it, is unnecessarily dangerous. For what purpose? Is a handful of extra seats at one restaurant really worth this risk?

Two lanes slow traffic more than three lanes, so the street with a streetery is actually better for little Timmy crossing it than one without it.

Except people then take side streets to avoid the backup caused by a private business squatting on public property.

Silly poster, they take side streets anyway.

Put up more rush hour no-turn and no-thru restrictions to keep the traffic off the side streets and on Connecticut Avenue where it belongs.

The whole point of a grid street design is to allow pouricity of traffic flow. Adding restrictions simply turns the arterials into car sewers.

Washington DC follow the federal functional classification of streets, not a true grid system. Arterials are intended to carry the major traffic. Better Connecticut than Albemarle or Northampton Streets.

This is the unfortunate reality. There is no "better" place to route traffic. Short of digging an expressway underground or getting people back on metro (both essentially impossible these days) you're going to have CT carry the through volume.

Its unfortunate that businesses sprung up along CT, because now we know the suburban stroad design is terrible for everyone. Businesses and commuters alike.

Not unfortunate for residents who patronize those businesses. Surely commuters realize that they are driving on city streets where businesses “sprang up” over 100 years ago?

The average commuter doesn't care about anything but getting where they are going .1 seconds faster. That's why CT businesses punch well below their weight. The volume of commuters just makes the whole area less pleasant than it could be. CT Ave is almost devoid of "destinations" and relies almost entirely on local patronage. That would be fine if landlords priced rent to reflect that, but they still seem to think they can draw people from across town or the burbs.

CT avenue is just a slightly higher end NY Ave, and until people realize it and start fixing the design, its going to be stuck in this "should be good, but isn't" gray zone.

There is no functional or aesthetic correlation between NY Ave and CT Ave. none.

Functionally, you are correct as NY Ave moves something like 4x the cars each day. They terminate about 5 blocks from each other. Aesthetically, they are both dotted with fast food restaurants, gas stations and a Days Inn. A lot of the people who used to live on/near NY Ave now live on/near CT Ave. On the plus side NY Ave takes you by Kenilworth and the Arboretum while CT has more street trees.

The biggest difference is that NY Ave borders successful commercial districts like Union Market and Dakota Crossing. CT Ave is bisected by struggling stretches of businesses.

In short, NY Ave moves more people while also being a better business incubator because it separates functions while CT Ave jams everything together.

It is a traffic sewer that has absolutely zero walkability appeal from the district line to NOMA. the two commercial areas you cite have their back on NY Ave and turn inward or a different orientation.

That was my somewhat tongue-in-cheek point. Somehow low-rent NY Ave figured out how to move commuters and support a business corridor. All it took was turning the business away from the main drag. My secondary point is that CT Ave is definitely on a downward trend, and probably needs to get worse before anyone will be willing to make the orientation changes to match what's going on with NY Ave.

So yes, there is a way to accommodate commuters and local shopping needs, even becoming a destination again. It just requires Ward 3 boomers to allow some things to change.

Zoning changes will allow the one and two floor buildings to be replaced by denser and taller structures: 8 floors in Chevy Chase and 10 floors in Cleveland Park. Urbanism is finally coming to Ward 3!

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Anonymous wrote:Is there an update on the competing petitions between Eddie Cano and Rosemary Bistro? Also will Rosemary Bistro close the streetery at end of 2024? So odd that there was so much vitriol and now, silence from all parties. Also curious how the traffic has been in mornings.

Traffic flows pretty much unimpeded. The bottleneck north of Dupont is also not really much of an issue. The worst traffic at Calvert due to the left turn signal being a delayed one in a lane that can go south (straight) or east (left). A turning only lane, even if it is a short one, would help a lot.

One continuous issue on Connecticut and throughout the city is cars taking a right from the center lane. When there are pedestrians in the crosswalk, they block the rightmost traffic lane when they should pull into the right lane past parked cars to turn. It is just laziness that causes drivers to have to slow down on their commute.

What? That's just wrong on so many levels. For instance, Woodley Park ("the bottle neck north of Dupont") has the lowest level of traffic on all of Connecticut Ave.

Connecticut and Nebraska is one of the most congested intersections in the entire DMV during rush hour. It sucks.

One of the worst parts about the Internet is that you can just make stuff up and be wrong and anonymous.

According to DDOT's own numbers it's the most congested intersection, on the most congested stretch of one of the most heavily trafficed roads in the City. That intersection is so congested that even the neighboring side streets, like Albermarle, are now jam packed from people avoiding it.

Meanwhile you clearly don't live in the area and don't even know where the intersection is.

The congestion there is not solely related to the streetery but the streetery makes the intersection much worse and much less safe. The pandemic is over. Things are only going to get worse, especially if people start going back into the office on Mondays and Fridays.

The streetery has almost no impact...there is a right turn arrow that virtually all of the drivers use. The through traffic is already in the center and left lane. The streetery is in the right lane. Do the math.

Dear idiot: all the traffic is backed up all the way to hell in the center lane because anyone who's used this road on a prior morning understands that if they don't get over now, they never will.

Instead they'll be stuck in one place, contemplating the Kermit the Frog green Jersey barriers of Rosemary's in what should be the right lane of traffic.

The right turn lane is turning right, the center and left are going straight. This isn't hard.

Why are you opining on and spreading aggressively ignorant disinformation on something that you clearly know nothing about?

Not the prior poster, but DDOT has released several traffic studies of Conn Ave and every one of them showed that the outer lanes were ***FAR*** less utilized by drivers than the middle two lanes, because of the turning traffic or random parked cars that shouldn't be there but are constantly.

The eatery is not in a turn only lane. It's blocking a regular straight lane. And anyone who does want to turn right after the eatery has to move left and then move right again quickly after the eatery. This is a location heavily trafficked by school children walking to school and residents of the elder care home. Lots of lane changing right there, with limited vision heading up to it, is unnecessarily dangerous. For what purpose? Is a handful of extra seats at one restaurant really worth this risk?

Two lanes slow traffic more than three lanes, so the street with a streetery is actually better for little Timmy crossing it than one without it.

Except people then take side streets to avoid the backup caused by a private business squatting on public property.

Silly poster, they take side streets anyway.

Put up more rush hour no-turn and no-thru restrictions to keep the traffic off the side streets and on Connecticut Avenue where it belongs.

The whole point of a grid street design is to allow pouricity of traffic flow. Adding restrictions simply turns the arterials into car sewers.

Washington DC follow the federal functional classification of streets, not a true grid system. Arterials are intended to carry the major traffic. Better Connecticut than Albemarle or Northampton Streets.

This is the unfortunate reality. There is no "better" place to route traffic. Short of digging an expressway underground or getting people back on metro (both essentially impossible these days) you're going to have CT carry the through volume.

Its unfortunate that businesses sprung up along CT, because now we know the suburban stroad design is terrible for everyone. Businesses and commuters alike.

Not unfortunate for residents who patronize those businesses. Surely commuters realize that they are driving on city streets where businesses “sprang up” over 100 years ago?

The average commuter doesn't care about anything but getting where they are going .1 seconds faster. That's why CT businesses punch well below their weight. The volume of commuters just makes the whole area less pleasant than it could be. CT Ave is almost devoid of "destinations" and relies almost entirely on local patronage. That would be fine if landlords priced rent to reflect that, but they still seem to think they can draw people from across town or the burbs.

CT avenue is just a slightly higher end NY Ave, and until people realize it and start fixing the design, its going to be stuck in this "should be good, but isn't" gray zone.

There is no functional or aesthetic correlation between NY Ave and CT Ave. none.

Functionally, you are correct as NY Ave moves something like 4x the cars each day. They terminate about 5 blocks from each other. Aesthetically, they are both dotted with fast food restaurants, gas stations and a Days Inn. A lot of the people who used to live on/near NY Ave now live on/near CT Ave. On the plus side NY Ave takes you by Kenilworth and the Arboretum while CT has more street trees.

The biggest difference is that NY Ave borders successful commercial districts like Union Market and Dakota Crossing. CT Ave is bisected by struggling stretches of businesses.

In short, NY Ave moves more people while also being a better business incubator because it separates functions while CT Ave jams everything together.

It is a traffic sewer that has absolutely zero walkability appeal from the district line to NOMA. the two commercial areas you cite have their back on NY Ave and turn inward or a different orientation.

That was my somewhat tongue-in-cheek point. Somehow low-rent NY Ave figured out how to move commuters and support a business corridor. All it took was turning the business away from the main drag. My secondary point is that CT Ave is definitely on a downward trend, and probably needs to get worse before anyone will be willing to make the orientation changes to match what's going on with NY Ave.

So yes, there is a way to accommodate commuters and local shopping needs, even becoming a destination again. It just requires Ward 3 boomers to allow some things to change.

Zoning changes will allow the one and two floor buildings to be replaced by denser and taller structures: 8 floors in Chevy Chase and 10 floors in Cleveland Park. Urbanism is finally coming to Ward 3!

It’s going to be so vibrant!

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Anonymous wrote:Is there an update on the competing petitions between Eddie Cano and Rosemary Bistro? Also will Rosemary Bistro close the streetery at end of 2024? So odd that there was so much vitriol and now, silence from all parties. Also curious how the traffic has been in mornings.

Traffic flows pretty much unimpeded. The bottleneck north of Dupont is also not really much of an issue. The worst traffic at Calvert due to the left turn signal being a delayed one in a lane that can go south (straight) or east (left). A turning only lane, even if it is a short one, would help a lot.

One continuous issue on Connecticut and throughout the city is cars taking a right from the center lane. When there are pedestrians in the crosswalk, they block the rightmost traffic lane when they should pull into the right lane past parked cars to turn. It is just laziness that causes drivers to have to slow down on their commute.

What? That's just wrong on so many levels. For instance, Woodley Park ("the bottle neck north of Dupont") has the lowest level of traffic on all of Connecticut Ave.

Connecticut and Nebraska is one of the most congested intersections in the entire DMV during rush hour. It sucks.

One of the worst parts about the Internet is that you can just make stuff up and be wrong and anonymous.

According to DDOT's own numbers it's the most congested intersection, on the most congested stretch of one of the most heavily trafficed roads in the City. That intersection is so congested that even the neighboring side streets, like Albermarle, are now jam packed from people avoiding it.

Meanwhile you clearly don't live in the area and don't even know where the intersection is.

The congestion there is not solely related to the streetery but the streetery makes the intersection much worse and much less safe. The pandemic is over. Things are only going to get worse, especially if people start going back into the office on Mondays and Fridays.

The streetery has almost no impact...there is a right turn arrow that virtually all of the drivers use. The through traffic is already in the center and left lane. The streetery is in the right lane. Do the math.

Dear idiot: all the traffic is backed up all the way to hell in the center lane because anyone who's used this road on a prior morning understands that if they don't get over now, they never will.

Instead they'll be stuck in one place, contemplating the Kermit the Frog green Jersey barriers of Rosemary's in what should be the right lane of traffic.

The right turn lane is turning right, the center and left are going straight. This isn't hard.

Why are you opining on and spreading aggressively ignorant disinformation on something that you clearly know nothing about?

Not the prior poster, but DDOT has released several traffic studies of Conn Ave and every one of them showed that the outer lanes were ***FAR*** less utilized by drivers than the middle two lanes, because of the turning traffic or random parked cars that shouldn't be there but are constantly.

The eatery is not in a turn only lane. It's blocking a regular straight lane. And anyone who does want to turn right after the eatery has to move left and then move right again quickly after the eatery. This is a location heavily trafficked by school children walking to school and residents of the elder care home. Lots of lane changing right there, with limited vision heading up to it, is unnecessarily dangerous. For what purpose? Is a handful of extra seats at one restaurant really worth this risk?

Two lanes slow traffic more than three lanes, so the street with a streetery is actually better for little Timmy crossing it than one without it.

Except people then take side streets to avoid the backup caused by a private business squatting on public property.

Silly poster, they take side streets anyway.

Put up more rush hour no-turn and no-thru restrictions to keep the traffic off the side streets and on Connecticut Avenue where it belongs.

The whole point of a grid street design is to allow pouricity of traffic flow. Adding restrictions simply turns the arterials into car sewers.

Washington DC follow the federal functional classification of streets, not a true grid system. Arterials are intended to carry the major traffic. Better Connecticut than Albemarle or Northampton Streets.

This is the unfortunate reality. There is no "better" place to route traffic. Short of digging an expressway underground or getting people back on metro (both essentially impossible these days) you're going to have CT carry the through volume.

Its unfortunate that businesses sprung up along CT, because now we know the suburban stroad design is terrible for everyone. Businesses and commuters alike.

Not unfortunate for residents who patronize those businesses. Surely commuters realize that they are driving on city streets where businesses “sprang up” over 100 years ago?

The average commuter doesn't care about anything but getting where they are going .1 seconds faster. That's why CT businesses punch well below their weight. The volume of commuters just makes the whole area less pleasant than it could be. CT Ave is almost devoid of "destinations" and relies almost entirely on local patronage. That would be fine if landlords priced rent to reflect that, but they still seem to think they can draw people from across town or the burbs.

CT avenue is just a slightly higher end NY Ave, and until people realize it and start fixing the design, its going to be stuck in this "should be good, but isn't" gray zone.

There is no functional or aesthetic correlation between NY Ave and CT Ave. none.

Functionally, you are correct as NY Ave moves something like 4x the cars each day. They terminate about 5 blocks from each other. Aesthetically, they are both dotted with fast food restaurants, gas stations and a Days Inn. A lot of the people who used to live on/near NY Ave now live on/near CT Ave. On the plus side NY Ave takes you by Kenilworth and the Arboretum while CT has more street trees.

The biggest difference is that NY Ave borders successful commercial districts like Union Market and Dakota Crossing. CT Ave is bisected by struggling stretches of businesses.

In short, NY Ave moves more people while also being a better business incubator because it separates functions while CT Ave jams everything together.

It is a traffic sewer that has absolutely zero walkability appeal from the district line to NOMA. the two commercial areas you cite have their back on NY Ave and turn inward or a different orientation.

That was my somewhat tongue-in-cheek point. Somehow low-rent NY Ave figured out how to move commuters and support a business corridor. All it took was turning the business away from the main drag. My secondary point is that CT Ave is definitely on a downward trend, and probably needs to get worse before anyone will be willing to make the orientation changes to match what's going on with NY Ave.

So yes, there is a way to accommodate commuters and local shopping needs, even becoming a destination again. It just requires Ward 3 boomers to allow some things to change.

You can enjoy the vibrancy of NY Ave and others can enjoy the less vibrant CT Ave. corridor. Something for everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there an update on the competing petitions between Eddie Cano and Rosemary Bistro? Also will Rosemary Bistro close the streetery at end of 2024? So odd that there was so much vitriol and now, silence from all parties. Also curious how the traffic has been in mornings.

Traffic flows pretty much unimpeded. The bottleneck north of Dupont is also not really much of an issue. The worst traffic at Calvert due to the left turn signal being a delayed one in a lane that can go south (straight) or east (left). A turning only lane, even if it is a short one, would help a lot.

One continuous issue on Connecticut and throughout the city is cars taking a right from the center lane. When there are pedestrians in the crosswalk, they block the rightmost traffic lane when they should pull into the right lane past parked cars to turn. It is just laziness that causes drivers to have to slow down on their commute.

What? That's just wrong on so many levels. For instance, Woodley Park ("the bottle neck north of Dupont") has the lowest level of traffic on all of Connecticut Ave.

Connecticut and Nebraska is one of the most congested intersections in the entire DMV during rush hour. It sucks.

One of the worst parts about the Internet is that you can just make stuff up and be wrong and anonymous.

According to DDOT's own numbers it's the most congested intersection, on the most congested stretch of one of the most heavily trafficed roads in the City. That intersection is so congested that even the neighboring side streets, like Albermarle, are now jam packed from people avoiding it.

Meanwhile you clearly don't live in the area and don't even know where the intersection is.

The congestion there is not solely related to the streetery but the streetery makes the intersection much worse and much less safe. The pandemic is over. Things are only going to get worse, especially if people start going back into the office on Mondays and Fridays.

The streetery has almost no impact...there is a right turn arrow that virtually all of the drivers use. The through traffic is already in the center and left lane. The streetery is in the right lane. Do the math.

Dear idiot: all the traffic is backed up all the way to hell in the center lane because anyone who's used this road on a prior morning understands that if they don't get over now, they never will.

Instead they'll be stuck in one place, contemplating the Kermit the Frog green Jersey barriers of Rosemary's in what should be the right lane of traffic.

The right turn lane is turning right, the center and left are going straight. This isn't hard.

Why are you opining on and spreading aggressively ignorant disinformation on something that you clearly know nothing about?

Not the prior poster, but DDOT has released several traffic studies of Conn Ave and every one of them showed that the outer lanes were ***FAR*** less utilized by drivers than the middle two lanes, because of the turning traffic or random parked cars that shouldn't be there but are constantly.

The eatery is not in a turn only lane. It's blocking a regular straight lane. And anyone who does want to turn right after the eatery has to move left and then move right again quickly after the eatery. This is a location heavily trafficked by school children walking to school and residents of the elder care home. Lots of lane changing right there, with limited vision heading up to it, is unnecessarily dangerous. For what purpose? Is a handful of extra seats at one restaurant really worth this risk?

Two lanes slow traffic more than three lanes, so the street with a streetery is actually better for little Timmy crossing it than one without it.

Except people then take side streets to avoid the backup caused by a private business squatting on public property.

Silly poster, they take side streets anyway.

Put up more rush hour no-turn and no-thru restrictions to keep the traffic off the side streets and on Connecticut Avenue where it belongs.

The whole point of a grid street design is to allow pouricity of traffic flow. Adding restrictions simply turns the arterials into car sewers.

Washington DC follow the federal functional classification of streets, not a true grid system. Arterials are intended to carry the major traffic. Better Connecticut than Albemarle or Northampton Streets.

This is the unfortunate reality. There is no "better" place to route traffic. Short of digging an expressway underground or getting people back on metro (both essentially impossible these days) you're going to have CT carry the through volume.

Its unfortunate that businesses sprung up along CT, because now we know the suburban stroad design is terrible for everyone. Businesses and commuters alike.

Not unfortunate for residents who patronize those businesses. Surely commuters realize that they are driving on city streets where businesses “sprang up” over 100 years ago?

The average commuter doesn't care about anything but getting where they are going .1 seconds faster. That's why CT businesses punch well below their weight. The volume of commuters just makes the whole area less pleasant than it could be. CT Ave is almost devoid of "destinations" and relies almost entirely on local patronage. That would be fine if landlords priced rent to reflect that, but they still seem to think they can draw people from across town or the burbs.

CT avenue is just a slightly higher end NY Ave, and until people realize it and start fixing the design, its going to be stuck in this "should be good, but isn't" gray zone.

There is no functional or aesthetic correlation between NY Ave and CT Ave. none.

Functionally, you are correct as NY Ave moves something like 4x the cars each day. They terminate about 5 blocks from each other. Aesthetically, they are both dotted with fast food restaurants, gas stations and a Days Inn. A lot of the people who used to live on/near NY Ave now live on/near CT Ave. On the plus side NY Ave takes you by Kenilworth and the Arboretum while CT has more street trees.

The biggest difference is that NY Ave borders successful commercial districts like Union Market and Dakota Crossing. CT Ave is bisected by struggling stretches of businesses.

In short, NY Ave moves more people while also being a better business incubator because it separates functions while CT Ave jams everything together.

It is a traffic sewer that has absolutely zero walkability appeal from the district line to NOMA. the two commercial areas you cite have their back on NY Ave and turn inward or a different orientation.

That was my somewhat tongue-in-cheek point. Somehow low-rent NY Ave figured out how to move commuters and support a business corridor. All it took was turning the business away from the main drag. My secondary point is that CT Ave is definitely on a downward trend, and probably needs to get worse before anyone will be willing to make the orientation changes to match what's going on with NY Ave.

So yes, there is a way to accommodate commuters and local shopping needs, even becoming a destination again. It just requires Ward 3 boomers to allow some things to change.

Zoning changes will allow the one and two floor buildings to be replaced by denser and taller structures: 8 floors in Chevy Chase and 10 floors in Cleveland Park. Urbanism is finally coming to Ward 3!

It’s going to be so vibrant!

The voucher holders who get into fights (and worse) at night and sit in front of formerly nice apartment building and smoke weed all day add plenty of “urban vibrancy” already.