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Anonymous wrote:Please list stats — curious about the couple pps with sons and thought tech was a match and kids rejected.
I’ll be in this spot in a year.

Deferred with 4.0UW/4.5W/1570 and 13 APs or post-APs.

That is nuts. Where else did they apply?

Princeton, Harvard, Hopkins, Duke, UVA, bunch of others. VT was lowest ranked school. Already in at several higher ranked schools. If you are high stats and want VT, better go ED and show tons of interest.

In state? Engineering? Yield protection? But, UGH!

Yes, in state engineering. Feels like yield protection but no way to tell for sure.

Seems like no other explanation. But also don’t understand why VT would bother to engage in such a practice.

What I have heard is that VT engages in yield protection for enrollment management--a few years back they started using an algorithm (many big state Us use) that predicts who will enroll--this shuts out some high stats kids to the waitlist. If they really want to attend, they will be snapped up--and are often even offered merit aid. VT typically reaches out to these kids the day or so after decision day.

Or, the kids who really want to attend apply ED.
DP

I'm sorry but that's BS regardless of how many people on here say that with seemingly little empathy for people's situation. You can have a strong desire to go somewhere or even have a school as you favorite but still have several legitimate reasons for not going ED, especially when you have to make that call early in fall.

Not sure what to tell you. It's a fact that if you have a first-choice school, ED-ing is your best hope of admittance (provided good stats, etc.). It's not a sure-fire solution, but it certainly helps.

There's a difference with having a first-choice school and committing to that school should you be accepted. Again, there's many reasons why someone wouldn't want to do an ED in those circumstances. If you can't see the difference in that then I don't know what to tell you.

And again - not sure what to tell you either. It is what it is. People manage to ED all the time. You certainly don’t have to, but stop complaining about rejections being “unfair.” They’re unfair to practically everyone, for a variety of reasons.

The word "unfair" was never used. And I've not once complaining about the decisions. i'm responding to people that simply shrug and have a lack of empathy by saying kids should know better and apply ED if it is a first choice as if it is that simple. But you didn't seem to comprehend that.

I actually don't have a lot of empathy for anyone rejected from any school, if they continue to rant about it weeks after the fact (sometimes years) and don't just accept the disappointment and move on. Rejections happen everywhere. Thousands of kids apply to VT and they can only take so many. Just like every other school. No one is entitled to admission at VT, or at any other school.

You've repeated this falsehood about fifteen times now. In states across the country, students who achieve minimum GPAs in standardized curriculums are entitled to admission at many public flagships, even those considered more prestigious than Tech. In those cases, parents demanded access for their high-achieving kids to the state's limited higher education opportunities. It's a different model than what we have in Virginia.

You're right, and I stand corrected. I do apologize for the "falsehood." It is true that in some OTHER states, there is guaranteed admission for students who meet certain (very high) criteria. Is it possible for you to move to one of those states? Because here in Virginia, our excellent higher education opportunities are not limited in the least, and in fact, are far more numerous than most states. So once again, no one is entitled to admission at VT or any other school which does not have guaranteed admission criteria (most).[/quote]

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Anonymous wrote:I posted pages ago but I’m totally disappointed my DS was waitlisted. Not a super high stats kid looking for engineering but a student who is an on paper match to an in state school which according to his Naviance data has a 64% acceptance rate. Poli Sci, 4.2w, 7 APs, 1400 SAT, service and sport ECs with leadership, white boy from NoVa. We toured, and he’s been in contact with the school since. I expected him to get in.

Mine with similar stats was outright rejected. DH and I are both alumni who are angry Hokies right now.

wow, so sorry, I'd be pissed too. Did your kid submit an essay and mentioned you both being Alumni? You'd think that has some weight...

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Anonymous wrote:I posted pages ago but I’m totally disappointed my DS was waitlisted. Not a super high stats kid looking for engineering but a student who is an on paper match to an in state school which according to his Naviance data has a 64% acceptance rate. Poli Sci, 4.2w, 7 APs, 1400 SAT, service and sport ECs with leadership, white boy from NoVa. We toured, and he’s been in contact with the school since. I expected him to get in.

Mine with similar stats was outright rejected. DH and I are both alumni who are angry Hokies right now.

wow, so sorry, I'd be pissed too. Did your kid submit an essay and mentioned you both being Alumni? You'd think that has some weight...

They don't consider legacy. It seems like most of the high-stats kids get waitlisted rather than rejected so I'd assume something in the essays was a turn off to be outright rejected. They seem to really use their waitlist to manage yield for high stats applicants. But, a lot of high stats kids ARE accepted so again the essays are obviously a big factor since that's the only thing being "stats" that they look at.

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Why is everyone so obsessed with Tech anyway? Its too big, and too cold.

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Anonymous wrote:I posted pages ago but I’m totally disappointed my DS was waitlisted. Not a super high stats kid looking for engineering but a student who is an on paper match to an in state school which according to his Naviance data has a 64% acceptance rate. Poli Sci, 4.2w, 7 APs, 1400 SAT, service and sport ECs with leadership, white boy from NoVa. We toured, and he’s been in contact with the school since. I expected him to get in.

Mine with similar stats was outright rejected. DH and I are both alumni who are angry Hokies right now.

wow, so sorry, I'd be pissed too. Did your kid submit an essay and mentioned you both being Alumni? You'd think that has some weight...

His essays didn’t mention that we are alumni, but it was noted elsewhere in the app. After we had the weekend to absorb the blow, our egos are still bruised, but I’m not as angry. On further reflection, I don’t think VT would have been the right place for DS. I definitely think DS has the academic chops to handle the work at Tech, but I’m not sure that he would thrive there. DS is not into sports or frats, and is a more introverted, quiet kid. I think one of the smaller schools he applied to would be a better fit.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone so obsessed with Tech anyway? Its too big, and too cold. [b]

cold? It's in the middle of Virginia

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Anonymous wrote:Please list stats — curious about the couple pps with sons and thought tech was a match and kids rejected.
I’ll be in this spot in a year.

Deferred with 4.0UW/4.5W/1570 and 13 APs or post-APs.

That is nuts. Where else did they apply?

Princeton, Harvard, Hopkins, Duke, UVA, bunch of others. VT was lowest ranked school. Already in at several higher ranked schools. If you are high stats and want VT, better go ED and show tons of interest.

In state? Engineering? Yield protection? But, UGH!

Yes, in state engineering. Feels like yield protection but no way to tell for sure.

Seems like no other explanation. But also don’t understand why VT would bother to engage in such a practice.

What I have heard is that VT engages in yield protection for enrollment management--a few years back they started using an algorithm (many big state Us use) that predicts who will enroll--this shuts out some high stats kids to the waitlist. If they really want to attend, they will be snapped up--and are often even offered merit aid. VT typically reaches out to these kids the day or so after decision day.

Or, the kids who really want to attend apply ED.
DP

I'm sorry but that's BS regardless of how many people on here say that with seemingly little empathy for people's situation. You can have a strong desire to go somewhere or even have a school as you favorite but still have several legitimate reasons for not going ED, especially when you have to make that call early in fall.

Not sure what to tell you. It's a fact that if you have a first-choice school, ED-ing is your best hope of admittance (provided good stats, etc.). It's not a sure-fire solution, but it certainly helps.

There's a difference with having a first-choice school and committing to that school should you be accepted. Again, there's many reasons why someone wouldn't want to do an ED in those circumstances. If you can't see the difference in that then I don't know what to tell you.

And again - not sure what to tell you either. It is what it is. People manage to ED all the time. You certainly don’t have to, but stop complaining about rejections being “unfair.” They’re unfair to practically everyone, for a variety of reasons.

The word "unfair" was never used. And I've not once complaining about the decisions. i'm responding to people that simply shrug and have a lack of empathy by saying kids should know better and apply ED if it is a first choice as if it is that simple. But you didn't seem to comprehend that.

I actually don't have a lot of empathy for anyone rejected from any school, if they continue to rant about it weeks after the fact (sometimes years) and don't just accept the disappointment and move on. Rejections happen everywhere. Thousands of kids apply to VT and they can only take so many. Just like every other school. No one is entitled to admission at VT, or at any other school.

You've repeated this falsehood about fifteen times now. In states across the country, students who achieve minimum GPAs in standardized curriculums are entitled to admission at many public flagships, even those considered more prestigious than Tech. In those cases, parents demanded access for their high-achieving kids to the state's limited higher education opportunities. It's a different model than what we have in Virginia.

You're right, and I stand corrected. I do apologize for the "falsehood." It is true that in some OTHER states, there is guaranteed admission for students who meet certain (very high) criteria. Is it possible for you to move to one of those states? Because here in Virginia, our excellent higher education opportunities are not limited in the least, and in fact, are far more numerous than most states. So once again, no one is entitled to admission at VT or any other school which does not have guaranteed admission criteria (most).[/quote]

Bingo

No one is saying they are "entitled" to admission at VT. No one.

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Anonymous wrote:I posted pages ago but I’m totally disappointed my DS was waitlisted. Not a super high stats kid looking for engineering but a student who is an on paper match to an in state school which according to his Naviance data has a 64% acceptance rate. Poli Sci, 4.2w, 7 APs, 1400 SAT, service and sport ECs with leadership, white boy from NoVa. We toured, and he’s been in contact with the school since. I expected him to get in.

Mine with similar stats was outright rejected. DH and I are both alumni who are angry Hokies right now.

wow, so sorry, I'd be pissed too. Did your kid submit an essay and mentioned you both being Alumni? You'd think that has some weight...

His essays didn’t mention that we are alumni, but it was noted elsewhere in the app. After we had the weekend to absorb the blow, our egos are still bruised, but I’m not as angry. On further reflection, I don’t think VT would have been the right place for DS. I definitely think DS has the academic chops to handle the work at Tech, but I’m not sure that he would thrive there. DS is not into sports or frats, and is a more introverted, quiet kid. I think one of the smaller schools he applied to would be a better fit.

Congratulations on reaching the bargaining stage so quickly. Your shock and denial and anger stages were interesting, though.

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Anonymous wrote:I posted pages ago but I’m totally disappointed my DS was waitlisted. Not a super high stats kid looking for engineering but a student who is an on paper match to an in state school which according to his Naviance data has a 64% acceptance rate. Poli Sci, 4.2w, 7 APs, 1400 SAT, service and sport ECs with leadership, white boy from NoVa. We toured, and he’s been in contact with the school since. I expected him to get in.

Mine with similar stats was outright rejected. DH and I are both alumni who are angry Hokies right now.

wow, so sorry, I'd be pissed too. Did your kid submit an essay and mentioned you both being Alumni? You'd think that has some weight...

His essays didn’t mention that we are alumni, but it was noted elsewhere in the app. After we had the weekend to absorb the blow, our egos are still bruised, but I’m not as angry. On further reflection, I don’t think VT would have been the right place for DS. I definitely think DS has the academic chops to handle the work at Tech, but I’m not sure that he would thrive there. DS is not into sports or frats, and is a more introverted, quiet kid. I think one of the smaller schools he applied to would be a better fit.

Congratulations on reaching the bargaining stage so quickly. Your shock and denial and anger stages were interesting, though.

The denial certainly stung, but it is what it is and we need to move on. VT can take me off its alumni fundraising list, though!

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Anonymous wrote:I posted pages ago but I’m totally disappointed my DS was waitlisted. Not a super high stats kid looking for engineering but a student who is an on paper match to an in state school which according to his Naviance data has a 64% acceptance rate. Poli Sci, 4.2w, 7 APs, 1400 SAT, service and sport ECs with leadership, white boy from NoVa. We toured, and he’s been in contact with the school since. I expected him to get in.

Mine with similar stats was outright rejected. DH and I are both alumni who are angry Hokies right now.

wow, so sorry, I'd be pissed too. Did your kid submit an essay and mentioned you both being Alumni? You'd think that has some weight...

They don't consider legacy. It seems like most of the high-stats kids get waitlisted rather than rejected so I'd assume something in the essays was a turn off to be outright rejected. They seem to really use their waitlist to manage yield for high stats applicants. But, a lot of high stats kids ARE accepted so again the essays are obviously a big factor since that's the only thing being "stats" that they look at.

The latest Common Data Set for VT confirms that it DOES consider legacy (i.e., alumni/ae relation), although it seems that's a relatively minor factor in its decision making.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone so obsessed with Tech anyway? Its too big, and too cold.

Thousands disagree with you.

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Anonymous wrote:I posted pages ago but I’m totally disappointed my DS was waitlisted. Not a super high stats kid looking for engineering but a student who is an on paper match to an in state school which according to his Naviance data has a 64% acceptance rate. Poli Sci, 4.2w, 7 APs, 1400 SAT, service and sport ECs with leadership, white boy from NoVa. We toured, and he’s been in contact with the school since. I expected him to get in.

Mine with similar stats was outright rejected. DH and I are both alumni who are angry Hokies right now.

wow, so sorry, I'd be pissed too. Did your kid submit an essay and mentioned you both being Alumni? You'd think that has some weight...

His essays didn’t mention that we are alumni, but it was noted elsewhere in the app. After we had the weekend to absorb the blow, our egos are still bruised, but I’m not as angry. On further reflection, I don’t think VT would have been the right place for DS. I definitely think DS has the academic chops to handle the work at Tech, but I’m not sure that he would thrive there. DS is not into sports or frats, and is a more introverted, quiet kid. I think one of the smaller schools he applied to would be a better fit.

DP. My introverted, non-athletic kid has found his “people” at VT - no frats or sports necessary. Less than 20% of students go Greek.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone so obsessed with Tech anyway? Its too big, and too cold. [b]

cold? It's in the middle of Virginia

DP. It actually does get quite cold in the winter - it’s in the mountains. But many kids love that. Having four distinct seasons is a plus.

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Anonymous wrote:I posted pages ago but I’m totally disappointed my DS was waitlisted. Not a super high stats kid looking for engineering but a student who is an on paper match to an in state school which according to his Naviance data has a 64% acceptance rate. Poli Sci, 4.2w, 7 APs, 1400 SAT, service and sport ECs with leadership, white boy from NoVa. We toured, and he’s been in contact with the school since. I expected him to get in.

Mine with similar stats was outright rejected. DH and I are both alumni who are angry Hokies right now.

wow, so sorry, I'd be pissed too. Did your kid submit an essay and mentioned you both being Alumni? You'd think that has some weight...

His essays didn’t mention that we are alumni, but it was noted elsewhere in the app. After we had the weekend to absorb the blow, our egos are still bruised, but I’m not as angry. On further reflection, I don’t think VT would have been the right place for DS. I definitely think DS has the academic chops to handle the work at Tech, but I’m not sure that he would thrive there. DS is not into sports or frats, and is a more introverted, quiet kid. I think one of the smaller schools he applied to would be a better fit.

DP. My introverted, non-athletic kid has found his “people” at VT - no frats or sports necessary. Less than 20% of students go Greek.

How is this helpful to the PP?

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Anonymous wrote:I posted pages ago but I’m totally disappointed my DS was waitlisted. Not a super high stats kid looking for engineering but a student who is an on paper match to an in state school which according to his Naviance data has a 64% acceptance rate. Poli Sci, 4.2w, 7 APs, 1400 SAT, service and sport ECs with leadership, white boy from NoVa. We toured, and he’s been in contact with the school since. I expected him to get in.

Mine with similar stats was outright rejected. DH and I are both alumni who are angry Hokies right now.

wow, so sorry, I'd be pissed too. Did your kid submit an essay and mentioned you both being Alumni? You'd think that has some weight...

His essays didn’t mention that we are alumni, but it was noted elsewhere in the app. After we had the weekend to absorb the blow, our egos are still bruised, but I’m not as angry. On further reflection, I don’t think VT would have been the right place for DS. I definitely think DS has the academic chops to handle the work at Tech, but I’m not sure that he would thrive there. DS is not into sports or frats, and is a more introverted, quiet kid. I think one of the smaller schools he applied to would be a better fit.

DP. My introverted, non-athletic kid has found his “people” at VT - no frats or sports necessary. Less than 20% of students go Greek.

How is this helpful to the PP?

The PP is under the incorrect impression that VT is only for athletic Greek types. This is very far from reality.