VT this Friday?

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone so obsessed with Tech anyway? Its too big, and too cold.

cold? It's in the[b] middle of Virginia

Um, no

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There is true cold and Virginia cold. VT can get pretty cold by Virginia standards.

I went to school near the great lakes. Now that, that is cold. No desire to ever go back.

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Anonymous wrote:Difficulty with Tech is that ED app (versus EA) is necessary only for a specific group of applicants. Tech will never say who that is, though. "If you're East Asian or White high-achieving student from Richmond suburbs or Loudoun County at pressure cooker HS with more than 2,000 students, be sure to ED or how dare you question why you have to pay $300,000 to Michigan for engineering now. And do not question us!"

God forbid your child go to GMU.

You chose to live in a really wealthy, segregated school catchment zone and then complain that universities are recognizing talented kids who didn’t get to live in wealthy school districts.

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Anonymous wrote:Many high stats kids do want VT because of the in state cost savings. It’s not okay to yield protect in state kids.

Then apply ED and stop complaining.

Agree. Apply ED instate to either UVA or VT whichever is your first choice and stop complaining and saying oh that was my first choice after decisions come out.

That is a dumb argument. High stats kids have to burn their one ED shot or get shut out of their state university because the school will yield protect against over qualified kids potentially rejecting them? [i] Many states like UT Austin also guarantee admission to in state high stats kids.

I don’t think Tech is doing this. My daughter with a 4.6, 1530 got in and she applied EA.

Of course Tech is engaging in yield protection. It has been for the last four years. Go back here on DCUM and read the ED, EA, and RD threads and look at the stats of kids deferred or waitlisted. They are astounding. Do the same at College Confidential and Reddit. Just because your kid got in doesn’t mean similarly situated kids did not

DP. You seem to believe all qualified kids should be accepted, but that’s not reality. Name a school that is able to do that - none. They pick the students they want, as at any university. What’s astounding is that some of you parents can’t seem to accept this.

This is the reality. There are more well qualified students than they can accommodate and they don't admit just on some formula of GPA+Rigor+Testing. I assume they are making very fine distinctions between students based on responses to the essays, since that's the only other thing they really look at (other than demographics) + mathematical models of who is likely to yield.

It sucks to be the highly qualified student who is shut out but that is what can happen with "holistic admissions." My only real gripe about it is I don't think VT is completely honest about their yield management since their CDS says they don't consider interest, but obviously they do. Any school that offers ED considers interest since that is the ultimate expression of interest. And it seems obvious from past years in how they deny some super high stats kids that they reject students they think won't come. If you aren't applying ED, I'd encourage my student to express a lot of interest and be specific in the question about goals to tie that to how VT specifically will help you achieve that goal. That's what DS did 2 years ago when he was admitted, although who knows what ultimately tips it one way or the other.

And I guess many of us don't think this should be happening.

It’s happening at 99% of schools. This is nothing new.
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I didn't say it was new or that it wasn't happening. So your point?
But it IS happening more and it's up for a legitimate debate as to whether it should be.

That debate has been had and the answer has already been established: Yes, it should be. All of you who think scoring high on SATs and having high GPAs should be an automatic admission don't have a clue. My guess is kids that fit into this category didn't spend any time on the supplementals or demonstrate a history of service (maybe since they were locked in their rooms studying so much), which are the two biggest thing VT clearly says it cares about. These are really the only two places where one can differentiate one's self against the tens of thousands of qualified applicants (assuming you aren't an athlete).

According to VT's Common Data Set, volunteer/service work is merely "considered," along with a number of other things.

See, if you attended an information session on campus or actually spoken to an admissions officer for your child‘s school (or, preferably, if your child initiated that conversation), you would have heard these points emphasized. Your mistake, evidently, was relying on forms and formula. I think I might be understanding why your child wasn’t admitted.

So you're saying that VT provided false information for the Common Data Set - that they've liars? That's pretty harsh. And not that it matters, but my DC withdrew their application to VT after being accepted ED at a much higher ranked school.

I am saying anyone who attended information sessions or, I don’t know, interacted, would have been told what’s what and that information was more reliable.

And I am also saying you’re a lying liar who lies about your kid being accepted at some other school because you are on this thread like white on rice — you are too weirdly emotionally invested for that to be true. You sound like little Sammy who has a girlfriend in Canada.

DP: A school's Common Data Set is far more reliable information than any random info session. The Common Data Set is what the admissions offices get audited on by their accrediting bodies.

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Anonymous wrote:Difficulty with Tech is that ED app (versus EA) is necessary only for a specific group of applicants. Tech will never say who that is, though. "If you're East Asian or White high-achieving student from Richmond suburbs or Loudoun County at pressure cooker HS with more than 2,000 students, be sure to ED or how dare you question why you have to pay $300,000 to Michigan for engineering now. And do not question us!"

God forbid your child go to GMU.

You chose to live in a really wealthy, segregated school catchment zone and then complain that universities are recognizing talented kids who didn’t get to live in wealthy school districts.

Seriously. The persecution complex with these people is exhausting. Their children are getting rejected because they are basically drones and VT doesn't want drones. They think high academic performance and test scores should give them the key to whatever they want. It doesn't work that way. In schools or in business.

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Anonymous wrote:Many high stats kids do want VT because of the in state cost savings. It’s not okay to yield protect in state kids.

Then apply ED and stop complaining.

Agree. Apply ED instate to either UVA or VT whichever is your first choice and stop complaining and saying oh that was my first choice after decisions come out.

That is a dumb argument. High stats kids have to burn their one ED shot or get shut out of their state university because the school will yield protect against over qualified kids potentially rejecting them? [i] Many states like UT Austin also guarantee admission to in state high stats kids.

I don’t think Tech is doing this. My daughter with a 4.6, 1530 got in and she applied EA.

Of course Tech is engaging in yield protection. It has been for the last four years. Go back here on DCUM and read the ED, EA, and RD threads and look at the stats of kids deferred or waitlisted. They are astounding. Do the same at College Confidential and Reddit. Just because your kid got in doesn’t mean similarly situated kids did not

DP. You seem to believe all qualified kids should be accepted, but that’s not reality. Name a school that is able to do that - none. They pick the students they want, as at any university. What’s astounding is that some of you parents can’t seem to accept this.

This is the reality. There are more well qualified students than they can accommodate and they don't admit just on some formula of GPA+Rigor+Testing. I assume they are making very fine distinctions between students based on responses to the essays, since that's the only other thing they really look at (other than demographics) + mathematical models of who is likely to yield.

It sucks to be the highly qualified student who is shut out but that is what can happen with "holistic admissions." My only real gripe about it is I don't think VT is completely honest about their yield management since their CDS says they don't consider interest, but obviously they do. Any school that offers ED considers interest since that is the ultimate expression of interest. And it seems obvious from past years in how they deny some super high stats kids that they reject students they think won't come. If you aren't applying ED, I'd encourage my student to express a lot of interest and be specific in the question about goals to tie that to how VT specifically will help you achieve that goal. That's what DS did 2 years ago when he was admitted, although who knows what ultimately tips it one way or the other.

And I guess many of us don't think this should be happening.

It’s happening at 99% of schools. This is nothing new.
DP

I didn't say it was new or that it wasn't happening. So your point?
But it IS happening more and it's up for a legitimate debate as to whether it should be.

That debate has been had and the answer has already been established: Yes, it should be. All of you who think scoring high on SATs and having high GPAs should be an automatic admission don't have a clue. My guess is kids that fit into this category didn't spend any time on the supplementals or demonstrate a history of service (maybe since they were locked in their rooms studying so much), which are the two biggest thing VT clearly says it cares about. These are really the only two places where one can differentiate one's self against the tens of thousands of qualified applicants (assuming you aren't an athlete).

According to VT's Common Data Set, volunteer/service work is merely "considered," along with a number of other things.

See, if you attended an information session on campus or actually spoken to an admissions officer for your child‘s school (or, preferably, if your child initiated that conversation), you would have heard these points emphasized. Your mistake, evidently, was relying on forms and formula. I think I might be understanding why your child wasn’t admitted.

So you're saying that VT provided false information for the Common Data Set - that they've liars? That's pretty harsh. And not that it matters, but my DC withdrew their application to VT after being accepted ED at a much higher ranked school.

I am saying anyone who attended information sessions or, I don’t know, interacted, would have been told what’s what and that information was more reliable.

And I am also saying you’re a lying liar who lies about your kid being accepted at some other school because you are on this thread like white on rice — you are too weirdly emotionally invested for that to be true. You sound like little Sammy who has a girlfriend in Canada.

DP: A school's Common Data Set is far more reliable information than any random info session. The Common Data Set is what the admissions offices get audited on by their accrediting bodies.

LOL. Sure, Jan.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Difficulty with Tech is that ED app (versus EA) is necessary only for a specific group of applicants. Tech will never say who that is, though. "If you're East Asian or White high-achieving student from Richmond suburbs or Loudoun County at pressure cooker HS with more than 2,000 students, be sure to ED or how dare you question why you have to pay $300,000 to Michigan for engineering now. And do not question us!"

God forbid your child go to GMU.

You chose to live in a really wealthy, segregated school catchment zone and then complain that universities are recognizing talented kids who didn’t get to live in wealthy school districts.

Seriously. The persecution complex with these people is exhausting. Their children are getting rejected because they are basically drones and VT doesn't want drones. They think high academic performance and test scores should give them the key to whatever they want. It doesn't work that way. In schools or in business.

So, what works? asking for my son, currently a Junior in High School.

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Anonymous wrote:Many high stats kids do want VT because of the in state cost savings. It’s not okay to yield protect in state kids.

Then apply ED and stop complaining.

Agree. Apply ED instate to either UVA or VT whichever is your first choice and stop complaining and saying oh that was my first choice after decisions come out.

That is a dumb argument. High stats kids have to burn their one ED shot or get shut out of their state university because the school will yield protect against over qualified kids potentially rejecting them? [i] Many states like UT Austin also guarantee admission to in state high stats kids.

I don’t think Tech is doing this. My daughter with a 4.6, 1530 got in and she applied EA.

Of course Tech is engaging in yield protection. It has been for the last four years. Go back here on DCUM and read the ED, EA, and RD threads and look at the stats of kids deferred or waitlisted. They are astounding. Do the same at College Confidential and Reddit. Just because your kid got in doesn’t mean similarly situated kids did not

DP. You seem to believe all qualified kids should be accepted, but that’s not reality. Name a school that is able to do that - none. They pick the students they want, as at any university. What’s astounding is that some of you parents can’t seem to accept this.

This is the reality. There are more well qualified students than they can accommodate and they don't admit just on some formula of GPA+Rigor+Testing. I assume they are making very fine distinctions between students based on responses to the essays, since that's the only other thing they really look at (other than demographics) + mathematical models of who is likely to yield.

It sucks to be the highly qualified student who is shut out but that is what can happen with "holistic admissions." My only real gripe about it is I don't think VT is completely honest about their yield management since their CDS says they don't consider interest, but obviously they do. Any school that offers ED considers interest since that is the ultimate expression of interest. And it seems obvious from past years in how they deny some super high stats kids that they reject students they think won't come. If you aren't applying ED, I'd encourage my student to express a lot of interest and be specific in the question about goals to tie that to how VT specifically will help you achieve that goal. That's what DS did 2 years ago when he was admitted, although who knows what ultimately tips it one way or the other.

And I guess many of us don't think this should be happening.

It’s happening at 99% of schools. This is nothing new.
DP

I didn't say it was new or that it wasn't happening. So your point?
But it IS happening more and it's up for a legitimate debate as to whether it should be.

That debate has been had and the answer has already been established: Yes, it should be. All of you who think scoring high on SATs and having high GPAs should be an automatic admission don't have a clue. My guess is kids that fit into this category didn't spend any time on the supplementals or demonstrate a history of service (maybe since they were locked in their rooms studying so much), which are the two biggest thing VT clearly says it cares about. These are really the only two places where one can differentiate one's self against the tens of thousands of qualified applicants (assuming you aren't an athlete).

According to VT's Common Data Set, volunteer/service work is merely "considered," along with a number of other things.

See, if you attended an information session on campus or actually spoken to an admissions officer for your child‘s school (or, preferably, if your child initiated that conversation), you would have heard these points emphasized. Your mistake, evidently, was relying on forms and formula. I think I might be understanding why your child wasn’t admitted.

So you're saying that VT provided false information for the Common Data Set - that they've liars? That's pretty harsh. And not that it matters, but my DC withdrew their application to VT after being accepted ED at a much higher ranked school.

I am saying anyone who attended information sessions or, I don’t know, interacted, would have been told what’s what and that information was more reliable.

And I am also saying you’re a lying liar who lies about your kid being accepted at some other school because you are on this thread like white on rice — you are too weirdly emotionally invested for that to be true. You sound like little Sammy who has a girlfriend in Canada.

DP: A school's Common Data Set is far more reliable information than any random info session. The Common Data Set is what the admissions offices get audited on by their accrediting bodies.

LOL. Sure, Jan.

Huh? That's basic knowledge. I work in higher ed.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Difficulty with Tech is that ED app (versus EA) is necessary only for a specific group of applicants. Tech will never say who that is, though. "If you're East Asian or White high-achieving student from Richmond suburbs or Loudoun County at pressure cooker HS with more than 2,000 students, be sure to ED or how dare you question why you have to pay $300,000 to Michigan for engineering now. And do not question us!"

God forbid your child go to GMU.

You chose to live in a really wealthy, segregated school catchment zone and then complain that universities are recognizing talented kids who didn’t get to live in wealthy school districts.

Seriously. The persecution complex with these people is exhausting. Their children are getting rejected because they are basically drones and VT doesn't want drones. They think high academic performance and test scores should give them the key to whatever they want. It doesn't work that way. In schools or in business.

Why are you making such an unwarranted (and mean-spirited) assumption? You know nothing about these applicants. FYI, there are lots of high stats kids who also have excellent ECs and lots of volunteer work. And VT certainly isn't the only school that values service. The high stats kids gunning for T30 schools know full well they have to show a lot more than test scores and stellar GPAs to be considered for admission.

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Difficulty with Tech is that ED app (versus EA) is necessary only for a specific group of applicants. Tech will never say who that is, though. "If you're East Asian or White high-achieving student from Richmond suburbs or Loudoun County at pressure cooker HS with more than 2,000 students, be sure to ED or how dare you question why you have to pay $300,000 to Michigan for engineering now. And do not question us!"

Get serious, there's only so many engineering seats and during our visit this year, those were filled by white and Asian students.

9/10 upper income parents would kill to have their kid accepted to Michigan for ANY major over second tier state schools in their home state.

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I wish VT allowed more in state students like other states.

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9/10 upper income parents would kill to have their kid accepted to Michigan for ANY major over second tier state schools in their home state.

What? Many people on this thread have claimed VT was their preferred choice because of the in state tuition. Who said anything about MI? I think MI OOS is $50K a year. I don't tjonk 9/10 people would be willing to pay that for any major.

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Anonymous wrote:Difficulty with Tech is that ED app (versus EA) is necessary only for a specific group of applicants. Tech will never say who that is, though. "If you're East Asian or White high-achieving student from Richmond suburbs or Loudoun County at pressure cooker HS with more than 2,000 students, be sure to ED or how dare you question why you have to pay $300,000 to Michigan for engineering now. And do not question us!"

God forbid your child go to GMU.

You chose to live in a really wealthy, segregated school catchment zone and then complain that universities are recognizing talented kids who didn’t get to live in wealthy school districts.

Seriously. The persecution complex with these people is exhausting. Their children are getting rejected because they are basically drones and VT doesn't want drones. They think high academic performance and test scores should give them the key to whatever they want. It doesn't work that way. In schools or in business.

So, what works? asking for my son, currently a Junior in High School.

At VT paying close attention to the supplemental essays, apparently.

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Anonymous wrote:Difficulty with Tech is that ED app (versus EA) is necessary only for a specific group of applicants. Tech will never say who that is, though. "If you're East Asian or White high-achieving student from Richmond suburbs or Loudoun County at pressure cooker HS with more than 2,000 students, be sure to ED or how dare you question why you have to pay $300,000 to Michigan for engineering now. And do not question us!"

God forbid your child go to GMU.

You chose to live in a really wealthy, segregated school catchment zone and then complain that universities are recognizing talented kids who didn’t get to live in wealthy school districts.

Seriously. The persecution complex with these people is exhausting. Their children are getting rejected because they are basically drones and VT doesn't want drones. They think high academic performance and test scores should give them the key to whatever they want. It doesn't work that way. In schools or in business.

Why are you making such an unwarranted (and mean-spirited) assumption? You know nothing about these applicants. FYI, there are lots of high stats kids who also have excellent ECs and lots of volunteer work. And VT certainly isn't the only school that values service. The high stats kids gunning for T30 schools know full well they have to show a lot more than test scores and stellar GPAs to be considered for admission.

I am sure they are but I am reacting to the entitlement displayed by their parents in these forums who seem aghast and pissed off that their high-stats progeny were rejected or waitlisted and then insinuate they are more deserving than URMs or kids with lower stats because they are high stats. Usually these are people who have been driving their kids hard for years to be high stats and also try to check boxes for college admission at elite schools rather than actually develop as interesting people.

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Anonymous wrote:Difficulty with Tech is that ED app (versus EA) is necessary only for a specific group of applicants. Tech will never say who that is, though. "If you're East Asian or White high-achieving student from Richmond suburbs or Loudoun County at pressure cooker HS with more than 2,000 students, be sure to ED or how dare you question why you have to pay $300,000 to Michigan for engineering now. And do not question us!"

God forbid your child go to GMU.

You chose to live in a really wealthy, segregated school catchment zone and then complain that universities are recognizing talented kids who didn’t get to live in wealthy school districts.

Seriously. The persecution complex with these people is exhausting. Their children are getting rejected because they are basically drones and VT doesn't want drones. They think high academic performance and test scores should give them the key to whatever they want. It doesn't work that way. In schools or in business.

Why are you making such an unwarranted (and mean-spirited) assumption? You know nothing about these applicants. FYI, there are lots of high stats kids who also have excellent ECs and lots of volunteer work. And VT certainly isn't the only school that values service. The high stats kids gunning for T30 schools know full well they have to show a lot more than test scores and stellar GPAs to be considered for admission.

I am sure they are but I am reacting to the entitlement displayed by their parents in these forums who seem aghast and pissed off that their high-stats progeny were rejected or waitlisted and then insinuate they are more deserving than URMs or kids with lower stats because they are high stats. Usually these are people who have been driving their kids hard for years to be high stats and also try to check boxes for college admission at elite schools rather than actually develop as interesting people.

NP. I've just skimmed this thread. I think what people have an issue with is that kids have been told since the time they entered school is work hard, get good grades and you will be "rewarded". Historically, admittance to Tech had always been one of the attainable rewards. What do you tell a kid with perfect stats and busting their ass for 4+ years, sorry, not enough seats for you now.