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Anonymous wrote:Many high stats kids do want VT because of the in state cost savings. It’s not okay to yield protect in state kids.

Then apply ED and stop complaining.

Agree. Apply ED instate to either UVA or VT whichever is your first choice and stop complaining and saying oh that was my first choice after decisions come out.

That is a dumb argument. High stats kids have to burn their one ED shot or get shut out of their state university because the school will yield protect against over qualified kids potentially rejecting them? [i] Many states like UT Austin also guarantee admission to in state high stats kids.

I don’t think Tech is doing this. My daughter with a 4.6, 1530 got in and she applied EA.

Of course Tech is engaging in yield protection. It has been for the last four years. Go back here on DCUM and read the ED, EA, and RD threads and look at the stats of kids deferred or waitlisted. They are astounding. Do the same at College Confidential and Reddit. Just because your kid got in doesn’t mean similarly situated kids did not

DP. You seem to believe all qualified kids should be accepted, but that’s not reality. Name a school that is able to do that - none. They pick the students they want, as at any university. What’s astounding is that some of you parents can’t seem to accept this.

This is the reality. There are more well qualified students than they can accommodate and they don't admit just on some formula of GPA+Rigor+Testing. I assume they are making very fine distinctions between students based on responses to the essays, since that's the only other thing they really look at (other than demographics) + mathematical models of who is likely to yield.

It sucks to be the highly qualified student who is shut out but that is what can happen with "holistic admissions." My only real gripe about it is I don't think VT is completely honest about their yield management since their CDS says they don't consider interest, but obviously they do. Any school that offers ED considers interest since that is the ultimate expression of interest. And it seems obvious from past years in how they deny some super high stats kids that they reject students they think won't come. If you aren't applying ED, I'd encourage my student to express a lot of interest and be specific in the question about goals to tie that to how VT specifically will help you achieve that goal. That's what DS did 2 years ago when he was admitted, although who knows what ultimately tips it one way or the other.

And I guess many of us don't think this should be happening.

It’s happening at 99% of schools. This is nothing new.
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I didn't say it was new or that it wasn't happening. So your point?
But it IS happening more and it's up for a legitimate debate as to whether it should be.

That debate has been had and the answer has already been established: Yes, it should be. All of you who think scoring high on SATs and having high GPAs should be an automatic admission don't have a clue. My guess is kids that fit into this category didn't spend any time on the supplementals or demonstrate a history of service (maybe since they were locked in their rooms studying so much), which are the two biggest thing VT clearly says it cares about. These are really the only two places where one can differentiate one's self against the tens of thousands of qualified applicants (assuming you aren't an athlete).

According to VT's Common Data Set, volunteer/service work is merely "considered," along with a number of other things.

See, if you attended an information session on campus or actually spoken to an admissions officer for your child‘s school (or, preferably, if your child initiated that conversation), you would have heard these points emphasized. Your mistake, evidently, was relying on forms and formula. I think I might be understanding why your child wasn’t admitted.

So you're saying that VT provided false information for the Common Data Set - that they've liars? That's pretty harsh. And not that it matters, but my DC withdrew their application to VT after being accepted ED at a much higher ranked school.

I am saying anyone who attended information sessions or, I don’t know, interacted, would have been told what’s what and that information was more reliable.

And I am also saying you’re a lying liar who lies about your kid being accepted at some other school because you are on this thread like white on rice — you are too weirdly emotionally invested for that to be true. You sound like little Sammy who has a girlfriend in Canada.

You're a weird one. I posted only once before on this thread and haven't lied about anything. I have nothing against VT - my kid liked it well enough and applied there EA, but they applied ED and were accepted elsewhere. And I never said VT doesn't value service. I'm sure it does. I simply pointed out that in its CDS, VT did not list volunteer work as either "very important" or "important", but just "considered.". Apparently you and some others think that is not correct, and that VT has provided applicants in-person with information that contradicts what VT submitted for the CDS. Well, if they did, they should stop supplying false information for the CDS. That is all.

OMG. Your kid applied ED somewhere else, supposedly got in, and you're here grousing about VT for... reasons?
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Anonymous wrote:Many high stats kids do want VT because of the in state cost savings. It’s not okay to yield protect in state kids.

Then apply ED and stop complaining.

Agree. Apply ED instate to either UVA or VT whichever is your first choice and stop complaining and saying oh that was my first choice after decisions come out.

That is a dumb argument. High stats kids have to burn their one ED shot or get shut out of their state university because the school will yield protect against over qualified kids potentially rejecting them? [i] Many states like UT Austin also guarantee admission to in state high stats kids.

I don’t think Tech is doing this. My daughter with a 4.6, 1530 got in and she applied EA.

Of course Tech is engaging in yield protection. It has been for the last four years. Go back here on DCUM and read the ED, EA, and RD threads and look at the stats of kids deferred or waitlisted. They are astounding. Do the same at College Confidential and Reddit. Just because your kid got in doesn’t mean similarly situated kids did not

DP. You seem to believe all qualified kids should be accepted, but that’s not reality. Name a school that is able to do that - none. They pick the students they want, as at any university. What’s astounding is that some of you parents can’t seem to accept this.

This is the reality. There are more well qualified students than they can accommodate and they don't admit just on some formula of GPA+Rigor+Testing. I assume they are making very fine distinctions between students based on responses to the essays, since that's the only other thing they really look at (other than demographics) + mathematical models of who is likely to yield.

It sucks to be the highly qualified student who is shut out but that is what can happen with "holistic admissions." My only real gripe about it is I don't think VT is completely honest about their yield management since their CDS says they don't consider interest, but obviously they do. Any school that offers ED considers interest since that is the ultimate expression of interest. And it seems obvious from past years in how they deny some super high stats kids that they reject students they think won't come. If you aren't applying ED, I'd encourage my student to express a lot of interest and be specific in the question about goals to tie that to how VT specifically will help you achieve that goal. That's what DS did 2 years ago when he was admitted, although who knows what ultimately tips it one way or the other.

And I guess many of us don't think this should be happening.

It’s happening at 99% of schools. This is nothing new.
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I didn't say it was new or that it wasn't happening. So your point?
But it IS happening more and it's up for a legitimate debate as to whether it should be.

That debate has been had and the answer has already been established: Yes, it should be. All of you who think scoring high on SATs and having high GPAs should be an automatic admission don't have a clue. My guess is kids that fit into this category didn't spend any time on the supplementals or demonstrate a history of service (maybe since they were locked in their rooms studying so much), which are the two biggest thing VT clearly says it cares about. These are really the only two places where one can differentiate one's self against the tens of thousands of qualified applicants (assuming you aren't an athlete).

According to VT's Common Data Set, volunteer/service work is merely "considered," along with a number of other things.

See, if you attended an information session on campus or actually spoken to an admissions officer for your child‘s school (or, preferably, if your child initiated that conversation), you would have heard these points emphasized. Your mistake, evidently, was relying on forms and formula. I think I might be understanding why your child wasn’t admitted.

So you're saying that VT provided false information for the Common Data Set - that they've liars? That's pretty harsh. And not that it matters, but my DC withdrew their application to VT after being accepted ED at a much higher ranked school.

I am saying anyone who attended information sessions or, I don’t know, interacted, would have been told what’s what and that information was more reliable.

And I am also saying you’re a lying liar who lies about your kid being accepted at some other school because you are on this thread like white on rice — you are too weirdly emotionally invested for that to be true. You sound like little Sammy who has a girlfriend in Canada.

You're a weird one. I posted only once before on this thread and haven't lied about anything. I have nothing against VT - my kid liked it well enough and applied there EA, but they applied ED and were accepted elsewhere. And I never said VT doesn't value service. I'm sure it does. I simply pointed out that in its CDS, VT did not list volunteer work as either "very important" or "important", but just "considered.". Apparently you and some others think that is not correct, and that VT has provided applicants in-person with information that contradicts what VT submitted for the CDS. Well, if they did, they should stop supplying false information for the CDS. That is all.

OMG. Your kid applied ED somewhere else, supposedly got in, and you're here grousing about VT for... reasons?
DP

You know, I kind of am acting like a sourpuss - my bad. I guess the PP who made some mean-spirited comment about my kid supposedly being rejected by VT, when I was just pointing out what the CDS states, got my dander up when I should have just let it go. And the reason I'm on this thread is that we have very good friends whose kids were both accepted and waitlisted eve though, confusingly, a few of the latter have high stats. Plus, my kid did go through the application process, hence the interest. Going to bed now.

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Anonymous wrote:Please list stats — curious about the couple pps with sons and thought tech was a match and kids rejected.
I’ll be in this spot in a year.

Deferred with 4.0UW/4.5W/1570 and 13 APs or post-APs.

That is nuts. Where else did they apply?

Princeton, Harvard, Hopkins, Duke, UVA, bunch of others. VT was lowest ranked school. Already in at several higher ranked schools. If you are high stats and want VT, better go ED and show tons of interest.

In state? Engineering? Yield protection? But, UGH!

Yes, in state engineering. Feels like yield protection but no way to tell for sure.

Seems like no other explanation. But also don’t understand why VT would bother to engage in such a practice.

What I have heard is that VT engages in yield protection for enrollment management--a few years back they started using an algorithm (many big state Us use) that predicts who will enroll--this shuts out some high stats kids to the waitlist. If they really want to attend, they will be snapped up--and are often even offered merit aid. VT typically reaches out to these kids the day or so after decision day.

Or, the kids who really want to attend apply ED.
DP

I'm sorry but that's BS regardless of how many people on here say that with seemingly little empathy for people's situation. You can have a strong desire to go somewhere or even have a school as you favorite but still have several legitimate reasons for not going ED, especially when you have to make that call early in fall.

Not sure what to tell you. It's a fact that if you have a first-choice school, ED-ing is your best hope of admittance (provided good stats, etc.). It's not a sure-fire solution, but it certainly helps.

There's a difference with having a first-choice school and committing to that school should you be accepted. Again, there's many reasons why someone wouldn't want to do an ED in those circumstances. If you can't see the difference in that then I don't know what to tell you.

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Anonymous wrote:Please list stats — curious about the couple pps with sons and thought tech was a match and kids rejected.
I’ll be in this spot in a year.

Deferred with 4.0UW/4.5W/1570 and 13 APs or post-APs.

That is nuts. Where else did they apply?

Princeton, Harvard, Hopkins, Duke, UVA, bunch of others. VT was lowest ranked school. Already in at several higher ranked schools. If you are high stats and want VT, better go ED and show tons of interest.

In state? Engineering? Yield protection? But, UGH!

Yes, in state engineering. Feels like yield protection but no way to tell for sure.

Seems like no other explanation. But also don’t understand why VT would bother to engage in such a practice.

What I have heard is that VT engages in yield protection for enrollment management--a few years back they started using an algorithm (many big state Us use) that predicts who will enroll--this shuts out some high stats kids to the waitlist. If they really want to attend, they will be snapped up--and are often even offered merit aid. VT typically reaches out to these kids the day or so after decision day.

Or, the kids who really want to attend apply ED.
DP

I'm sorry but that's BS regardless of how many people on here say that with seemingly little empathy for people's situation. You can have a strong desire to go somewhere or even have a school as you favorite but still have several legitimate reasons for not going ED, especially when you have to make that call early in fall.

Not sure what to tell you. It's a fact that if you have a first-choice school, ED-ing is your best hope of admittance (provided good stats, etc.). It's not a sure-fire solution, but it certainly helps.

There's a difference with having a first-choice school and committing to that school should you be accepted. Again, there's many reasons why someone wouldn't want to do an ED in those circumstances. If you can't see the difference in that then I don't know what to tell you.

And again - not sure what to tell you either. It is what it is. People manage to ED all the time. You certainly don’t have to, but stop complaining about rejections being “unfair.” They’re unfair to practically everyone, for a variety of reasons.

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Anonymous wrote:Please list stats — curious about the couple pps with sons and thought tech was a match and kids rejected.
I’ll be in this spot in a year.

Deferred with 4.0UW/4.5W/1570 and 13 APs or post-APs.

That is nuts. Where else did they apply?

Princeton, Harvard, Hopkins, Duke, UVA, bunch of others. VT was lowest ranked school. Already in at several higher ranked schools. If you are high stats and want VT, better go ED and show tons of interest.

In state? Engineering? Yield protection? But, UGH!

Yes, in state engineering. Feels like yield protection but no way to tell for sure.

Seems like no other explanation. But also don’t understand why VT would bother to engage in such a practice.

What I have heard is that VT engages in yield protection for enrollment management--a few years back they started using an algorithm (many big state Us use) that predicts who will enroll--this shuts out some high stats kids to the waitlist. If they really want to attend, they will be snapped up--and are often even offered merit aid. VT typically reaches out to these kids the day or so after decision day.

Or, the kids who really want to attend apply ED.
DP

I'm sorry but that's BS regardless of how many people on here say that with seemingly little empathy for people's situation. You can have a strong desire to go somewhere or even have a school as you favorite but still have several legitimate reasons for not going ED, especially when you have to make that call early in fall.

Not sure what to tell you. It's a fact that if you have a first-choice school, ED-ing is your best hope of admittance (provided good stats, etc.). It's not a sure-fire solution, but it certainly helps.

There's a difference with having a first-choice school and committing to that school should you be accepted. Again, there's many reasons why someone wouldn't want to do an ED in those circumstances. If you can't see the difference in that then I don't know what to tell you.

And again - not sure what to tell you either. It is what it is. People manage to ED all the time. You certainly don’t have to, but stop complaining about rejections being “unfair.” They’re unfair to practically everyone, for a variety of reasons.

The word "unfair" was never used. And I've not once complaining about the decisions. i'm responding to people that simply shrug and have a lack of empathy by saying kids should know better and apply ED if it is a first choice as if it is that simple. But you didn't seem to comprehend that.

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Difficulty with Tech is that ED app (versus EA) is necessary only for a specific group of applicants. Tech will never say who that is, though. "If you're East Asian or White high-achieving student from Richmond suburbs or Loudoun County at pressure cooker HS with more than 2,000 students, be sure to ED or how dare you question why you have to pay $300,000 to Michigan for engineering now. And do not question us!"

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Difficulty with Tech is that ED app (versus EA) is necessary only for a specific group of applicants. Tech will never say who that is, though. "If you're East Asian or White high-achieving student from Richmond suburbs or Loudoun County at pressure cooker HS with more than 2,000 students, be sure to ED or how dare you question why you have to pay $300,000 to Michigan for engineering now. And do not question us!"

Get serious, there's only so many engineering seats and during our visit this year, those were filled by white and Asian students.

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Anonymous wrote:Please list stats — curious about the couple pps with sons and thought tech was a match and kids rejected.
I’ll be in this spot in a year.

Deferred with 4.0UW/4.5W/1570 and 13 APs or post-APs.

That is nuts. Where else did they apply?

Princeton, Harvard, Hopkins, Duke, UVA, bunch of others. VT was lowest ranked school. Already in at several higher ranked schools. If you are high stats and want VT, better go ED and show tons of interest.

In state? Engineering? Yield protection? But, UGH!

Yes, in state engineering. Feels like yield protection but no way to tell for sure.

Seems like no other explanation. But also don’t understand why VT would bother to engage in such a practice.

What I have heard is that VT engages in yield protection for enrollment management--a few years back they started using an algorithm (many big state Us use) that predicts who will enroll--this shuts out some high stats kids to the waitlist. If they really want to attend, they will be snapped up--and are often even offered merit aid. VT typically reaches out to these kids the day or so after decision day.

Or, the kids who really want to attend apply ED.
DP

I'm sorry but that's BS regardless of how many people on here say that with seemingly little empathy for people's situation. You can have a strong desire to go somewhere or even have a school as you favorite but still have several legitimate reasons for not going ED, especially when you have to make that call early in fall.

Not sure what to tell you. It's a fact that if you have a first-choice school, ED-ing is your best hope of admittance (provided good stats, etc.). It's not a sure-fire solution, but it certainly helps.

There's a difference with having a first-choice school and committing to that school should you be accepted. Again, there's many reasons why someone wouldn't want to do an ED in those circumstances. If you can't see the difference in that then I don't know what to tell you.

And again - not sure what to tell you either. It is what it is. People manage to ED all the time. You certainly don’t have to, but stop complaining about rejections being “unfair.” They’re unfair to practically everyone, for a variety of reasons.

The word "unfair" was never used. And I've not once complaining about the decisions. i'm responding to people that simply shrug and have a lack of empathy by saying kids should know better and apply ED if it is a first choice as if it is that simple. But you didn't seem to comprehend that.

I actually don't have a lot of empathy for anyone rejected from any school, if they continue to rant about it weeks after the fact (sometimes years) and don't just accept the disappointment and move on. Rejections happen everywhere. Thousands of kids apply to VT and they can only take so many. Just like every other school. No one is entitled to admission at VT, or at any other school.

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Difficulty with Tech is that ED app (versus EA) is necessary only for a specific group of applicants. Tech will never say who that is, though. "If you're East Asian or White high-achieving student from Richmond suburbs or Loudoun County at pressure cooker HS with more than 2,000 students, be sure to ED or how dare you question why you have to pay $300,000 to Michigan for engineering now. And do not question us!"

Get serious, there's only so many engineering seats and during our visit this year, those were filled by white and Asian students.

Exactly. It's so pathetic, the picture these people are desperately trying to paint. Tech is more transparent than any other university we investigated - all of their admissions stats are publicly available. I can't think of any other school that does that.

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Anonymous wrote:Please list stats — curious about the couple pps with sons and thought tech was a match and kids rejected.
I’ll be in this spot in a year.

Deferred with 4.0UW/4.5W/1570 and 13 APs or post-APs.

That is nuts. Where else did they apply?

Princeton, Harvard, Hopkins, Duke, UVA, bunch of others. VT was lowest ranked school. Already in at several higher ranked schools. If you are high stats and want VT, better go ED and show tons of interest.

In state? Engineering? Yield protection? But, UGH!

Yes, in state engineering. Feels like yield protection but no way to tell for sure.

Seems like no other explanation. But also don’t understand why VT would bother to engage in such a practice.

What I have heard is that VT engages in yield protection for enrollment management--a few years back they started using an algorithm (many big state Us use) that predicts who will enroll--this shuts out some high stats kids to the waitlist. If they really want to attend, they will be snapped up--and are often even offered merit aid. VT typically reaches out to these kids the day or so after decision day.

Or, the kids who really want to attend apply ED.
DP

I'm sorry but that's BS regardless of how many people on here say that with seemingly little empathy for people's situation. You can have a strong desire to go somewhere or even have a school as you favorite but still have several legitimate reasons for not going ED, especially when you have to make that call early in fall.

Not sure what to tell you. It's a fact that if you have a first-choice school, ED-ing is your best hope of admittance (provided good stats, etc.). It's not a sure-fire solution, but it certainly helps.

There's a difference with having a first-choice school and committing to that school should you be accepted. Again, there's many reasons why someone wouldn't want to do an ED in those circumstances. If you can't see the difference in that then I don't know what to tell you.

And again - not sure what to tell you either. It is what it is. People manage to ED all the time. You certainly don’t have to, but stop complaining about rejections being “unfair.” They’re unfair to practically everyone, for a variety of reasons.

The word "unfair" was never used. And I've not once complaining about the decisions. i'm responding to people that simply shrug and have a lack of empathy by saying kids should know better and apply ED if it is a first choice as if it is that simple. But you didn't seem to comprehend that.

I actually don't have a lot of empathy for anyone rejected from any school, if they continue to rant about it weeks after the fact (sometimes years) and don't just accept the disappointment and move on. Rejections happen everywhere. Thousands of kids apply to VT and they can only take so many. Just like every other school. No one is entitled to admission at VT, or at any other school.

You sound like a miserable person that gets off on other people being disappointed. I don't have a lot of empathy for those people.

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Rejections happen everywhere. Thousands of kids apply to VT and they can only take so many. Just like every other school. No one is entitled to admission at VT, or at any other school.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:Please list stats — curious about the couple pps with sons and thought tech was a match and kids rejected.
I’ll be in this spot in a year.

Deferred with 4.0UW/4.5W/1570 and 13 APs or post-APs.

That is nuts. Where else did they apply?

Princeton, Harvard, Hopkins, Duke, UVA, bunch of others. VT was lowest ranked school. Already in at several higher ranked schools. If you are high stats and want VT, better go ED and show tons of interest.

In state? Engineering? Yield protection? But, UGH!

Yes, in state engineering. Feels like yield protection but no way to tell for sure.

Seems like no other explanation. But also don’t understand why VT would bother to engage in such a practice.

What I have heard is that VT engages in yield protection for enrollment management--a few years back they started using an algorithm (many big state Us use) that predicts who will enroll--this shuts out some high stats kids to the waitlist. If they really want to attend, they will be snapped up--and are often even offered merit aid. VT typically reaches out to these kids the day or so after decision day.

Or, the kids who really want to attend apply ED.
DP

I'm sorry but that's BS regardless of how many people on here say that with seemingly little empathy for people's situation. You can have a strong desire to go somewhere or even have a school as you favorite but still have several legitimate reasons for not going ED, especially when you have to make that call early in fall.

Not sure what to tell you. It's a fact that if you have a first-choice school, ED-ing is your best hope of admittance (provided good stats, etc.). It's not a sure-fire solution, but it certainly helps.

There's a difference with having a first-choice school and committing to that school should you be accepted. Again, there's many reasons why someone wouldn't want to do an ED in those circumstances. If you can't see the difference in that then I don't know what to tell you.

And again - not sure what to tell you either. It is what it is. People manage to ED all the time. You certainly don’t have to, but stop complaining about rejections being “unfair.” They’re unfair to practically everyone, for a variety of reasons.

The word "unfair" was never used. And I've not once complaining about the decisions. i'm responding to people that simply shrug and have a lack of empathy by saying kids should know better and apply ED if it is a first choice as if it is that simple. But you didn't seem to comprehend that.

I actually don't have a lot of empathy for anyone rejected from any school, if they continue to rant about it weeks after the fact (sometimes years) and don't just accept the disappointment and move on. Rejections happen everywhere. Thousands of kids apply to VT and they can only take so many. Just like every other school. No one is entitled to admission at VT, or at any other school.

You've repeated this falsehood about fifteen times now. In states across the country, students who achieve minimum GPAs in standardized curriculums are entitled to admission at many public flagships, even those considered more prestigious than Tech. In those cases, parents demanded access for their high-achieving kids to the state's limited higher education opportunities. It's a different model than what we have in Virginia.

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Anonymous wrote:Please list stats — curious about the couple pps with sons and thought tech was a match and kids rejected.
I’ll be in this spot in a year.

Deferred with 4.0UW/4.5W/1570 and 13 APs or post-APs.

That is nuts. Where else did they apply?

Princeton, Harvard, Hopkins, Duke, UVA, bunch of others. VT was lowest ranked school. Already in at several higher ranked schools. If you are high stats and want VT, better go ED and show tons of interest.

In state? Engineering? Yield protection? But, UGH!

Yes, in state engineering. Feels like yield protection but no way to tell for sure.

Seems like no other explanation. But also don’t understand why VT would bother to engage in such a practice.

What I have heard is that VT engages in yield protection for enrollment management--a few years back they started using an algorithm (many big state Us use) that predicts who will enroll--this shuts out some high stats kids to the waitlist. If they really want to attend, they will be snapped up--and are often even offered merit aid. VT typically reaches out to these kids the day or so after decision day.

Or, the kids who really want to attend apply ED.
DP

I'm sorry but that's BS regardless of how many people on here say that with seemingly little empathy for people's situation. You can have a strong desire to go somewhere or even have a school as you favorite but still have several legitimate reasons for not going ED, especially when you have to make that call early in fall.

Not sure what to tell you. It's a fact that if you have a first-choice school, ED-ing is your best hope of admittance (provided good stats, etc.). It's not a sure-fire solution, but it certainly helps.

There's a difference with having a first-choice school and committing to that school should you be accepted. Again, there's many reasons why someone wouldn't want to do an ED in those circumstances. If you can't see the difference in that then I don't know what to tell you.

And again - not sure what to tell you either. It is what it is. People manage to ED all the time. You certainly don’t have to, but stop complaining about rejections being “unfair.” They’re unfair to practically everyone, for a variety of reasons.

The word "unfair" was never used. And I've not once complaining about the decisions. i'm responding to people that simply shrug and have a lack of empathy by saying kids should know better and apply ED if it is a first choice as if it is that simple. But you didn't seem to comprehend that.

I actually don't have a lot of empathy for anyone rejected from any school, if they continue to rant about it weeks after the fact (sometimes years) and don't just accept the disappointment and move on. Rejections happen everywhere. Thousands of kids apply to VT and they can only take so many. Just like every other school. No one is entitled to admission at VT, or at any other school.

You sound like a miserable person that gets off on other people being disappointed. I don't have a lot of empathy for those people.

So you have empathy and patience for someone who does the bolded? Huh. Miserable people indeed.

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Rejections happen everywhere. Thousands of kids apply to VT and they can only take so many. Just like every other school. No one is entitled to admission at VT, or at any other school.

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Anonymous wrote:Please list stats — curious about the couple pps with sons and thought tech was a match and kids rejected.
I’ll be in this spot in a year.

Deferred with 4.0UW/4.5W/1570 and 13 APs or post-APs.

That is nuts. Where else did they apply?

Princeton, Harvard, Hopkins, Duke, UVA, bunch of others. VT was lowest ranked school. Already in at several higher ranked schools. If you are high stats and want VT, better go ED and show tons of interest.

In state? Engineering? Yield protection? But, UGH!

Yes, in state engineering. Feels like yield protection but no way to tell for sure.

Seems like no other explanation. But also don’t understand why VT would bother to engage in such a practice.

What I have heard is that VT engages in yield protection for enrollment management--a few years back they started using an algorithm (many big state Us use) that predicts who will enroll--this shuts out some high stats kids to the waitlist. If they really want to attend, they will be snapped up--and are often even offered merit aid. VT typically reaches out to these kids the day or so after decision day.

Or, the kids who really want to attend apply ED.
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I'm sorry but that's BS regardless of how many people on here say that with seemingly little empathy for people's situation. You can have a strong desire to go somewhere or even have a school as you favorite but still have several legitimate reasons for not going ED, especially when you have to make that call early in fall.

Not sure what to tell you. It's a fact that if you have a first-choice school, ED-ing is your best hope of admittance (provided good stats, etc.). It's not a sure-fire solution, but it certainly helps.

There's a difference with having a first-choice school and committing to that school should you be accepted. Again, there's many reasons why someone wouldn't want to do an ED in those circumstances. If you can't see the difference in that then I don't know what to tell you.

And again - not sure what to tell you either. It is what it is. People manage to ED all the time. You certainly don’t have to, but stop complaining about rejections being “unfair.” They’re unfair to practically everyone, for a variety of reasons.

The word "unfair" was never used. And I've not once complaining about the decisions. i'm responding to people that simply shrug and have a lack of empathy by saying kids should know better and apply ED if it is a first choice as if it is that simple. But you didn't seem to comprehend that.

I actually don't have a lot of empathy for anyone rejected from any school, if they continue to rant about it weeks after the fact (sometimes years) and don't just accept the disappointment and move on. Rejections happen everywhere. Thousands of kids apply to VT and they can only take so many. Just like every other school. No one is entitled to admission at VT, or at any other school.

You've repeated this falsehood about fifteen times now. In states across the country, students who achieve minimum GPAs in standardized curriculums are entitled to admission at many public flagships, even those considered more prestigious than Tech. In those cases, parents demanded access for their high-achieving kids to the state's limited higher education opportunities. It's a different model than what we have in Virginia.

You're right, and I stand corrected. I do apologize for the "falsehood." It is true that in some OTHER states, there is guaranteed admission for students who meet certain (very high) criteria. Is it possible for you to move to one of those states? Because here in Virginia, our excellent higher education opportunities are not limited in the least, and in fact, are far more numerous than most states. So once again, no one is entitled to admission at VT or any other school which does not have guaranteed admission criteria (most).