Billionaire heiress abducted during her Friday morning run in Memphis

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Anonymous wrote:Awful. She seems like a lovely person. Her poor kids!

Is the husband the same age or older/younger?

Goodness. How do you know she is a lovely person?

NP. Why are you so eager to tear down a mom who was kidnapped?

I’m not. However, I am also not eager to anoint someone a good person simply because she is a white woman worth billions. There is no indication that she was either good or bad, but you know DCUM and their stereotypes.

…so…less-than-perfect and amazing people deserve to get kidnapped? That’s what you’re going with? Privileged but imperfect people = deserve to be kidnapped? Uh oh, 95% of DCUM, know that if something happens to you, we’ll tell your kids that you deserved it.

No, I am not. Stop playing obtuse or at least stop jumping into the middle of conversation without context. An earlier poster said she seems like a lovely person with nothing more than she was white, blonde and a billionaire heiress. How does that make a person lovely?

NP who just watched a news report. She was described by a FRIEND as “just a great lady and the best mom.” Care to refute the words of someone who actually knows her personally?

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Anonymous wrote:Cleotha Abston was only 16 when he kidnapped the lawyer, Kemper Durand. According to Durand, Abston had a documented criminal history for violent crime beginning at age 12:

"Durand also detailed Abston's lengthy history in the juvenile court system prior to his conviction for the kidnapping, the earliest of which, Durand said, dated back to 1995 when he was no older than 12-years-old. Abston also appeared in juvenile court records in 1996, 1997, 1998, and 1999 for charges including theft, aggravated assault, aggravated assault with a weapon, and rape, according to Durand's statement.

Durand died in early February 2013, seven years before Abston would be released in November 2020 at age 36. In the two years since his release, there are no further documented charges against Abston in Shelby County."

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/news/local/2022/09/04/eliza-fletcher-disappearance-what-we-know-arrest-affidavit-cleothra-abston/7993164001/

Cleothra Abston's life should be under the microscope now, not the tattooed spouse (unless we learn more...)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rich Southern debutantes are married by early 20s, either to a boy she went to high school with or some rich Christian boy she would meet at Baylor University. It’s not like she was away in Manhattan too busy as a corporate lawyer. She’s a pre-k teacher. How’d she end up with this sketchy bum in her late 20s?

You're all making a lot of assumptions about the way she was raised. How do you know she was a debutante, by the way? Many wealthy families choose to raise their children in a very middle-class manner, and they want to instill a strong work ethic in them. How do you now that she even had money - it was her grandfather's money and his business, she likely didn't even have access to it, she was an "heiress" that doesn't mean she's already rich. Maybe she has a trust until she's 45 or something. You have no idea. So many absurd assumptions here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rich Southern debutantes are married by early 20s, either to a boy she went to high school with or some rich Christian boy she would meet at Baylor University. It’s not like she was away in Manhattan too busy as a corporate lawyer. She’s a pre-k teacher. How’d she end up with this sketchy bum in her late 20s?

Who knows, but care to do a breakdown of the suspect and his appearance and what kind of life he has been leading?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to jump to conclusions here but the fact that the spouse is usually responsible and that they were very public about marital problems does not bode well for the DH.

I know what it is about social media oversharers but it communicates a certain level of instability, drama, and impulsivity. Of course most of these people don’t murder their spouses but imo it adds to the perception that they were highly emotional people in a volition relationship.

It doesn't appear to me to be a planned abduction with the spouse hiring this person to do it. If so, it wasn't planned very carefully. It took police very little time to track down the vehicle and the driver, as the driver left his shoes there at the scene and returned the vehicle to the house of the person to whom the vehicle was registered.

I am on the fence on whether or not the husband was involved. Lipstick Alley posters seem to think he is. They say he appears to be “tweaking” in that lawyer video and looks like a “scam artist.”

According to evidence, the perp allegedly waited 24 minutes in his truck for her to jog by. That certainly seems to lean towards this being far more than a random act.

But as you said, he left behind not shoes per se, but flip-flop slide-style sandals, which he apparently lost during the struggle to get her into the truck. Wearing slide sandals to perform this crime suggests crime of opportunity. Or maybe those slide sandals were just in the truck and fell out when he was struggling to put her in there?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to jump to conclusions here but the fact that the spouse is usually responsible and that they were very public about marital problems does not bode well for the DH.

I know what it is about social media oversharers but it communicates a certain level of instability, drama, and impulsivity. Of course most of these people don’t murder their spouses but imo it adds to the perception that they were highly emotional people in a volition relationship.

It doesn't appear to me to be a planned abduction with the spouse hiring this person to do it. If so, it wasn't planned very carefully. It took police very little time to track down the vehicle and the driver, as the driver left his shoes there at the scene and returned the vehicle to the house of the person to whom the vehicle was registered.

I am on the fence on whether or not the husband was involved. Lipstick Alley posters seem to think he is. They say he appears to be “tweaking” in that lawyer video and looks like a “scam artist.”

According to evidence, the perp allegedly waited 24 minutes in his truck for her to jog by. That certainly seems to lean towards this being far more than a random act.

But as you said, he left behind not shoes per se, but flip-flop slide-style sandals, which he apparently lost during the struggle to get her into the truck. Wearing slide sandals to perform this crime suggests crime of opportunity. Or maybe those slide sandals were just in the truck and fell out when he was struggling to put her in there?

Lipstick Alley is going to have an obvious bias. The suspect is not the right type.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Rich Southern debutantes are married by early 20s, either to a boy she went to high school with or some rich Christian boy she would meet at Baylor University. It’s not like she was away in Manhattan too busy as a corporate lawyer. She’s a pre-k teacher. How’d she end up with this sketchy bum in her late 20s?

You're all making a lot of assumptions about the way she was raised. How do you know she was a debutante, by the way? Many wealthy families choose to raise their children in a very middle-class manner, and they want to instill a strong work ethic in them. How do you now that she even had money - it was her grandfather's money and his business, she likely didn't even have access to it, she was an "heiress" that doesn't mean she's already rich. Maybe she has a trust until she's 45 or something. You have no idea. So many absurd assumptions here.

The high school she went to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Rich Southern debutantes are married by early 20s, either to a boy she went to high school with or some rich Christian boy she would meet at Baylor University. It’s not like she was away in Manhattan too busy as a corporate lawyer. She’s a pre-k teacher. How’d she end up with this sketchy bum in her late 20s?

You're all making a lot of assumptions about the way she was raised. How do you know she was a debutante, by the way? Many wealthy families choose to raise their children in a very middle-class manner, and they want to instill a strong work ethic in them. How do you now that she even had money - it was her grandfather's money and his business, she likely didn't even have access to it, she was an "heiress" that doesn't mean she's already rich. Maybe she has a trust until she's 45 or something. You have no idea. So many absurd assumptions here.

The high school she went to.

B/c she went to a certain high school she made her "debut" as a debutante?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Cleotha Abston was only 16 when he kidnapped the lawyer, Kemper Durand. According to Durand, Abston had a documented criminal history for violent crime beginning at age 12:

"Durand also detailed Abston's lengthy history in the juvenile court system prior to his conviction for the kidnapping, the earliest of which, Durand said, dated back to 1995 when he was no older than 12-years-old. Abston also appeared in juvenile court records in 1996, 1997, 1998, and 1999 for charges including theft, aggravated assault, aggravated assault with a weapon, and rape, according to Durand's statement.

Durand died in early February 2013, seven years before Abston would be released in November 2020 at age 36. In the two years since his release, there are no further documented charges against Abston in Shelby County."

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/news/local/2022/09/04/eliza-fletcher-disappearance-what-we-know-arrest-affidavit-cleothra-abston/7993164001/

Cleothra Abston's life should be under the microscope now, not the tattooed spouse (unless we learn more...)

Yes, someone who has been committing crimes since at least the age of 12, and violent crimes at that, could be living among us. Prison did not reform or deter. This is a concern.

[Anonymous]

"According to evidence, the perp allegedly waited 24 minutes in his truck for her to jog by. That certainly seems to lean towards this being far more than a random act."

Junkies regularly pull over because they're too high to drive or pull over to get high. While high, he sees a crime of opportunity. If he was wearing slide sandals, this was a crime of opportunity by a low IQ junkie out of parole. Nobody hired to do this is going to wear flip-flops. Come on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Rich Southern debutantes are married by early 20s, either to a boy she went to high school with or some rich Christian boy she would meet at Baylor University. It’s not like she was away in Manhattan too busy as a corporate lawyer. She’s a pre-k teacher. How’d she end up with this sketchy bum in her late 20s?

You're all making a lot of assumptions about the way she was raised. How do you know she was a debutante, by the way? Many wealthy families choose to raise their children in a very middle-class manner, and they want to instill a strong work ethic in them. How do you now that she even had money - it was her grandfather's money and his business, she likely didn't even have access to it, she was an "heiress" that doesn't mean she's already rich. Maybe she has a trust until she's 45 or something. You have no idea. So many absurd assumptions here.

The high school she went to.

B/c she went to a certain high school she made her "debut" as a debutante?

Are you trolling or actually this thick? She's a billionaire heiress with high-status family in the South and went to the most elite private day school in the region. Presumably all of her female classmates were debutantes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Husband paid the guy to do it. Just like that guy in Boston in the 80s

Charles Stewart shot his own wife. And he also shut himself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Cleotha Abston was only 16 when he kidnapped the lawyer, Kemper Durand. According to Durand, Abston had a documented criminal history for violent crime beginning at age 12:

"Durand also detailed Abston's lengthy history in the juvenile court system prior to his conviction for the kidnapping, the earliest of which, Durand said, dated back to 1995 when he was no older than 12-years-old. Abston also appeared in juvenile court records in 1996, 1997, 1998, and 1999 for charges including theft, aggravated assault, aggravated assault with a weapon, and rape, according to Durand's statement.

Durand died in early February 2013, seven years before Abston would be released in November 2020 at age 36. In the two years since his release, there are no further documented charges against Abston in Shelby County."

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/news/local/2022/09/04/eliza-fletcher-disappearance-what-we-know-arrest-affidavit-cleothra-abston/7993164001/

Cleothra Abston's life should be under the microscope now, not the tattooed spouse (unless we learn more...)

Yes, someone who has been committing crimes since at least the age of 12, and violent crimes at that, could be living among us. Prison did not reform or deter. This is a concern.

Even scarier thought: Who else has he harmed in the last two years?

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Anonymous wrote:A woman running in Memphis, no matter the time of day, should be carrying a tiny pistol with no safety. But really, you shouldn’t be running in Memphis at all. No husband worth a damn lets his wife run solo in such a God forsaken town.

Lets? If he stopped her by force, he’d be abusive. If he stopped her with words, he’d be manipulative and controlling. “And he was known to be controlling—he wouldn’t ‘let’ her exercise! Look at all the warning signs, and she still didn’t leave him…”

Marriages are full of compromising. Running in Memphis at 4am is not sane or rational. If she forced the issue, he could run with her, follow in an SUV, get her a pistol, get her a trained German Shepard to run with. They could afford a body guard to follow in an SUV. All sorts of ways for an actually loving and caring husband to avoid this tragedy.

You think someone who works FT for 50k will spend a good chunk of that on a bodyguard.

They lived in a $600k+ house and drove at least one $100k new SUV. They had access to far more money than her $50k teaching income and whatever the sketchy husband made at some ATV dealership. But I wouldn’t expect her to handle something involving the university. I would expect a caring husband to ask the in-laws to handle it.

LOL is a 600k house supposed to be expensive? My home is 3.5 million and I an no heiress.

$600K buys more of a house in Memphis than $3.5M in a desirable area within the Beltway.

https://www.staciarosatti.com/memphis/memphis-600000-700000/

WOW, why do I live in DC when I could live in a mansion for the price of my condo!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Cleotha Abston was only 16 when he kidnapped the lawyer, Kemper Durand. According to Durand, Abston had a documented criminal history for violent crime beginning at age 12:

"Durand also detailed Abston's lengthy history in the juvenile court system prior to his conviction for the kidnapping, the earliest of which, Durand said, dated back to 1995 when he was no older than 12-years-old. Abston also appeared in juvenile court records in 1996, 1997, 1998, and 1999 for charges including theft, aggravated assault, aggravated assault with a weapon, and rape, according to Durand's statement.

Durand died in early February 2013, seven years before Abston would be released in November 2020 at age 36. In the two years since his release, there are no further documented charges against Abston in Shelby County."

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/news/local/2022/09/04/eliza-fletcher-disappearance-what-we-know-arrest-affidavit-cleothra-abston/7993164001/

Cleothra Abston's life should be under the microscope now, not the tattooed spouse (unless we learn more...)

Yes, someone who has been committing crimes since at least the age of 12, and violent crimes at that, could be living among us. Prison did not reform or deter. This is a concern.

And once this person strays away from his socioeconomic sphere and commits a crime against persons of a different status and color, without criminal backgrounds, people take note (the Yale criminal defense lawyer in 2000 and now this poor woman).