Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

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Anonymous wrote:What is the issue here? People keep saying where kids from various ES go to MS...what's the issue?

The issue is that the school board should take the opening of the new high school as an opportunity to fix several instances of elementary schools splitting to the "wrong" middle school that won't line up with their high school. Since they have also announced plans to make every middle school an AAP center then they can also use this opportunity to fix the issues of kids going to AAP elementary centers that don't make sense, like Waples Mill going outside their pyramid to Hunters Woods, when they won't see any of those other kids again if Franklin becomes their center.

The capacities of middle schools often don’t align with the capacities of the nearest high schools and FCPS is too stupid to do anything about, so you end up with split feeders or schools that are well above or below capacity. They are absolute idiots when it comes to managing their physical assets.

A huge part of the problem is that the BOCS does not have strategy to align the comprehensive plan and zoning decisions with school enrollment capacity. The planning board and staff/BOCS act like their decisions are made in a vacuum without regard for school impacts.

You could just as easily say that the decisions of FCPS’s incompetent Facilities and Transportation Services Department and School Board are made without regard to the decisions made by the BOS about where growth in the county should be prioritized. There is very poor coordination and FCPS constantly misallocates capital resources.

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Anonymous wrote:Crossfield goes to Navy for AAP

So that's the point. Would make more sense for Waples Mill to go to Navy, Crossfield to go to Oak Hill, and Fox Mill to go to Hunters Woods.

100% then Waples + Navy kids can stay together and feed to Franklin-Oakton while Crossfield and Oak Hill kids can stay together and feed to Carson-Skyview. Fox Mill kids would go to a different middle school but at least they'd end up in HS with HW kids.

The only issue with this is about 1/3 of the Fox Mill kids don't live in Fox Mill but across Fairfax County Parkway. Oak Hill ES is less than 2 miles from neighborhoods like Bradley Farm when taking McLearen. Though most students stay at Fox Mill rather than transfer to Oak Hill for AAP, so I guess it doesn't matter much.

Crossfield is quite close to Hunters Woods and should have been the school to remain at Hunters Woods for AAP. I think they were the school that got moved to Navy because of numbers (Waples and Navy always had significantly more eligible students, and I don't think Navy could accommodate Waples.).

But most of the kids who go to Crossfield don't actually live near Crossfield. It's a weird boundary. They actually also live closer to Oak Hill (and even Fox Mill) than Crossfield.

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Anonymous wrote:Crossfield goes to Navy for AAP

So that's the point. Would make more sense for Waples Mill to go to Navy, Crossfield to go to Oak Hill, and Fox Mill to go to Hunters Woods.

100% then Waples + Navy kids can stay together and feed to Franklin-Oakton while Crossfield and Oak Hill kids can stay together and feed to Carson-Skyview. Fox Mill kids would go to a different middle school but at least they'd end up in HS with HW kids.

The only issue with this is about 1/3 of the Fox Mill kids don't live in Fox Mill but across Fairfax County Parkway. Oak Hill ES is less than 2 miles from neighborhoods like Bradley Farm when taking McLearen. Though most students stay at Fox Mill rather than transfer to Oak Hill for AAP, so I guess it doesn't matter much.

Crossfield is quite close to Hunters Woods and should have been the school to remain at Hunters Woods for AAP. I think they were the school that got moved to Navy because of numbers (Waples and Navy always had significantly more eligible students, and I don't think Navy could accommodate Waples.).

But most of the kids who go to Crossfield don't actually live near Crossfield. It's a weird boundary. They actually also live closer to Oak Hill (and even Fox Mill) than Crossfield.

Or closer to Navy or Lees Corner. Anywhere but near Crossfield, it seems. Why is it such a weird boundary?

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That’s why boundaries should have been corrected to align better geographically when we did our comprehensive review. But here is another opportunity. Align things correctly , elementary/middle/ high school. Start with proximity as the guide. Try to make true pyramids for these students.

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Anonymous wrote:Crossfield goes to Navy for AAP

So that's the point. Would make more sense for Waples Mill to go to Navy, Crossfield to go to Oak Hill, and Fox Mill to go to Hunters Woods.

100% then Waples + Navy kids can stay together and feed to Franklin-Oakton while Crossfield and Oak Hill kids can stay together and feed to Carson-Skyview. Fox Mill kids would go to a different middle school but at least they'd end up in HS with HW kids.

The only issue with this is about 1/3 of the Fox Mill kids don't live in Fox Mill but across Fairfax County Parkway. Oak Hill ES is less than 2 miles from neighborhoods like Bradley Farm when taking McLearen. Though most students stay at Fox Mill rather than transfer to Oak Hill for AAP, so I guess it doesn't matter much.

Crossfield is quite close to Hunters Woods and should have been the school to remain at Hunters Woods for AAP. I think they were the school that got moved to Navy because of numbers (Waples and Navy always had significantly more eligible students, and I don't think Navy could accommodate Waples.).

But most of the kids who go to Crossfield don't actually live near Crossfield. It's a weird boundary. They actually also live closer to Oak Hill (and even Fox Mill) than Crossfield.

Or closer to Navy or Lees Corner. Anywhere but near Crossfield, it seems. Why is it such a weird boundary?

I assume because FCPS refused to give Franklin Farm its own school like it did all the other large neighborhoods in the area.

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Anonymous wrote:Crossfield goes to Navy for AAP

So that's the point. Would make more sense for Waples Mill to go to Navy, Crossfield to go to Oak Hill, and Fox Mill to go to Hunters Woods.

100% then Waples + Navy kids can stay together and feed to Franklin-Oakton while Crossfield and Oak Hill kids can stay together and feed to Carson-Skyview. Fox Mill kids would go to a different middle school but at least they'd end up in HS with HW kids.

The only issue with this is about 1/3 of the Fox Mill kids don't live in Fox Mill but across Fairfax County Parkway. Oak Hill ES is less than 2 miles from neighborhoods like Bradley Farm when taking McLearen. Though most students stay at Fox Mill rather than transfer to Oak Hill for AAP, so I guess it doesn't matter much.

Crossfield is quite close to Hunters Woods and should have been the school to remain at Hunters Woods for AAP. I think they were the school that got moved to Navy because of numbers (Waples and Navy always had significantly more eligible students, and I don't think Navy could accommodate Waples.).

But most of the kids who go to Crossfield don't actually live near Crossfield. It's a weird boundary. They actually also live closer to Oak Hill (and even Fox Mill) than Crossfield.

Or closer to Navy or Lees Corner. Anywhere but near Crossfield, it seems. Why is it such a weird boundary?

I assume because FCPS refused to give Franklin Farm its own school like it did all the other large neighborhoods in the area.

Huh? Which "all the other neighborhoods in the area?"

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Anonymous wrote:Crossfield goes to Navy for AAP

So that's the point. Would make more sense for Waples Mill to go to Navy, Crossfield to go to Oak Hill, and Fox Mill to go to Hunters Woods.

100% then Waples + Navy kids can stay together and feed to Franklin-Oakton while Crossfield and Oak Hill kids can stay together and feed to Carson-Skyview. Fox Mill kids would go to a different middle school but at least they'd end up in HS with HW kids.

The only issue with this is about 1/3 of the Fox Mill kids don't live in Fox Mill but across Fairfax County Parkway. Oak Hill ES is less than 2 miles from neighborhoods like Bradley Farm when taking McLearen. Though most students stay at Fox Mill rather than transfer to Oak Hill for AAP, so I guess it doesn't matter much.

Crossfield is quite close to Hunters Woods and should have been the school to remain at Hunters Woods for AAP. I think they were the school that got moved to Navy because of numbers (Waples and Navy always had significantly more eligible students, and I don't think Navy could accommodate Waples.).

But most of the kids who go to Crossfield don't actually live near Crossfield. It's a weird boundary. They actually also live closer to Oak Hill (and even Fox Mill) than Crossfield.

Or closer to Navy or Lees Corner. Anywhere but near Crossfield, it seems. Why is it such a weird boundary?

I assume because FCPS refused to give Franklin Farm its own school like it did all the other large neighborhoods in the area.

Oak Hill is right there..? Why does Franklin Farm need it's own school?

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Anonymous wrote:Curious what the Crossfield crew would prefer if these were the only options:

1) Stay at Carson but switch to Skyview

2) Stay at Oakton but switch to Franklin

Absolutely #1 but I prefer Skyview in general because it's much closer to my home. Literally the only people I've heard say they want to switch to Franklin are people who have kids in AAP and whose kids would end up at Carson anyway. They are incredibly selfish.

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The RIO sports crew will want #2 for sure. They've already been pushing for it. Some of their kids are in AAP, some not. They see switching to Franklin as the way to stay at Oakton. Plus there will be AAP at all middle schools in a few years anyway, so the AAP kids that you all assume make Carson so amazing would be at Franklin anyway.

I'm the person you're responding to and my kids are NOT AAP. We have had a great experience at Carson and would be sad to be sent over to Franklin, which we haven't heard the greatest things about.

I think Franklin will become an AAP center soon.

I think this will happen literally next school year. In Kyle McDaniel's email about yesterday's school board meeting, he said they determined that FCPS will implement AAP in middle school in four phases starting with the coming school year. They also talked about how there are three different implementations of AAP in middle schools - AAP centers, non-centers that have separate AAP classes, and schools that have AAP kids but not separate AAP classes. I would guess that Phase I would be turning that first set of schools that already have separate AAP classes into centers, meaning Navy/Oak Hill/Waples kids would get kicked out of Carson and sent back to Franklin.

Good. This should have happened 20 years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious what the Crossfield crew would prefer if these were the only options:

1) Stay at Carson but switch to Skyview

2) Stay at Oakton but switch to Franklin

Absolutely #1 but I prefer Skyview in general because it's much closer to my home. Literally the only people I've heard say they want to switch to Franklin are people who have kids in AAP and whose kids would end up at Carson anyway. They are incredibly selfish.

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The RIO sports crew will want #2 for sure. They've already been pushing for it. Some of their kids are in AAP, some not. They see switching to Franklin as the way to stay at Oakton. Plus there will be AAP at all middle schools in a few years anyway, so the AAP kids that you all assume make Carson so amazing would be at Franklin anyway.

I'm the person you're responding to and my kids are NOT AAP. We have had a great experience at Carson and would be sad to be sent over to Franklin, which we haven't heard the greatest things about.

I think Franklin will become an AAP center soon.

I think this will happen literally next school year. In Kyle McDaniel's email about yesterday's school board meeting, he said they determined that FCPS will implement AAP in middle school in four phases starting with the coming school year. They also talked about how there are three different implementations of AAP in middle schools - AAP centers, non-centers that have separate AAP classes, and schools that have AAP kids but not separate AAP classes. I would guess that Phase I would be turning that first set of schools that already have separate AAP classes into centers, meaning Navy/Oak Hill/Waples kids would get kicked out of Carson and sent back to Franklin.

Good. This should have happened 20 years ago.

+1 Get AAP back in the base schools and review boundaries based on the actual number of students within the boundaries of a school.

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Anonymous wrote:Crossfield goes to Navy for AAP

So that's the point. Would make more sense for Waples Mill to go to Navy, Crossfield to go to Oak Hill, and Fox Mill to go to Hunters Woods.

100% then Waples + Navy kids can stay together and feed to Franklin-Oakton while Crossfield and Oak Hill kids can stay together and feed to Carson-Skyview. Fox Mill kids would go to a different middle school but at least they'd end up in HS with HW kids.

The only issue with this is about 1/3 of the Fox Mill kids don't live in Fox Mill but across Fairfax County Parkway. Oak Hill ES is less than 2 miles from neighborhoods like Bradley Farm when taking McLearen. Though most students stay at Fox Mill rather than transfer to Oak Hill for AAP, so I guess it doesn't matter much.

Crossfield is quite close to Hunters Woods and should have been the school to remain at Hunters Woods for AAP. I think they were the school that got moved to Navy because of numbers (Waples and Navy always had significantly more eligible students, and I don't think Navy could accommodate Waples.).

But most of the kids who go to Crossfield don't actually live near Crossfield. It's a weird boundary. They actually also live closer to Oak Hill (and even Fox Mill) than Crossfield.

Or closer to Navy or Lees Corner. Anywhere but near Crossfield, it seems. Why is it such a weird boundary?

I assume because FCPS refused to give Franklin Farm its own school like it did all the other large neighborhoods in the area.

Huh? Which "all the other neighborhoods in the area?"

Oak Hill, Fox Mill, Lees Corner are all surrounded by neighborhoods, as is Poplar Tree, and the Greenbriars.

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Anonymous wrote:Crossfield goes to Navy for AAP

So that's the point. Would make more sense for Waples Mill to go to Navy, Crossfield to go to Oak Hill, and Fox Mill to go to Hunters Woods.

100% then Waples + Navy kids can stay together and feed to Franklin-Oakton while Crossfield and Oak Hill kids can stay together and feed to Carson-Skyview. Fox Mill kids would go to a different middle school but at least they'd end up in HS with HW kids.

The only issue with this is about 1/3 of the Fox Mill kids don't live in Fox Mill but across Fairfax County Parkway. Oak Hill ES is less than 2 miles from neighborhoods like Bradley Farm when taking McLearen. Though most students stay at Fox Mill rather than transfer to Oak Hill for AAP, so I guess it doesn't matter much.

Crossfield is quite close to Hunters Woods and should have been the school to remain at Hunters Woods for AAP. I think they were the school that got moved to Navy because of numbers (Waples and Navy always had significantly more eligible students, and I don't think Navy could accommodate Waples.).

But most of the kids who go to Crossfield don't actually live near Crossfield. It's a weird boundary. They actually also live closer to Oak Hill (and even Fox Mill) than Crossfield.

Or closer to Navy or Lees Corner. Anywhere but near Crossfield, it seems. Why is it such a weird boundary?

I assume because FCPS refused to give Franklin Farm its own school like it did all the other large neighborhoods in the area.

Huh? Which "all the other neighborhoods in the area?"

Oak Hill, Fox Mill, Lees Corner are all surrounded by neighborhoods, as is Poplar Tree, and the Greenbriars.

Isn't that where schools should be--where the kids are? FWIW, they build schools where they can get property.

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Anonymous wrote:That’s why boundaries should have been corrected to align better geographically when we did our comprehensive review. But here is another opportunity. Align things correctly , elementary/middle/ high school. Start with proximity as the guide. Try to make true pyramids for these students.

Well some schools are in such poor locations.

If a true pyramid were to be made, for example, with Oakton, a middle school would be placed in the Oakton HS boundary with/without Crossfield.

Carson was in the Oakton boundary for 2 years before Westfield opened and took the students north of the Oak Hill ES boundary, extending northward from McLearen Road to the Toll Road, and westward to Sully Road (rte. 28) where several students were bussed from there to Oakton (can approximate/assume this without maps, but if you have maps from that time saved for whatsoever reason, please post them for our amusement).

Crossfield so far is the only surviving school of the Herndon-Reston schools that fed to Herndon, hence the contention behind moving.

But then Westfield snagged those students, and it was never reflected out of antiquity, so I originally thought.

Oakton is a false-pyramid because in order for a pyramid to be complete, every High School needs to have 1-2 middle schools tied to its name.

When Carson Moves to the new Skyview pyramid, Franklin Middle is likely to switch to the Oakton pyramid to form a “true” pyramid. Without the anchoring from Oak Hill or the part of Brookfield that currently feeds there, but in earlier Skyview option maps was shown moving to Westfield’s boundary.

I don’t know what the 5th elementary school will be, unless they finagle enough to fit 6 in Skyview.

It could just be my opinion, but some FCPS high school pyramid schemes seem antiquated/vestigial in some way.

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When do the new draft maps come out?

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Anonymous wrote:Crossfield goes to Navy for AAP

So that's the point. Would make more sense for Waples Mill to go to Navy, Crossfield to go to Oak Hill, and Fox Mill to go to Hunters Woods.

100% then Waples + Navy kids can stay together and feed to Franklin-Oakton while Crossfield and Oak Hill kids can stay together and feed to Carson-Skyview. Fox Mill kids would go to a different middle school but at least they'd end up in HS with HW kids.

The only issue with this is about 1/3 of the Fox Mill kids don't live in Fox Mill but across Fairfax County Parkway. Oak Hill ES is less than 2 miles from neighborhoods like Bradley Farm when taking McLearen. Though most students stay at Fox Mill rather than transfer to Oak Hill for AAP, so I guess it doesn't matter much.

Crossfield is quite close to Hunters Woods and should have been the school to remain at Hunters Woods for AAP. I think they were the school that got moved to Navy because of numbers (Waples and Navy always had significantly more eligible students, and I don't think Navy could accommodate Waples.).

But most of the kids who go to Crossfield don't actually live near Crossfield. It's a weird boundary. They actually also live closer to Oak Hill (and even Fox Mill) than Crossfield.

Or closer to Navy or Lees Corner. Anywhere but near Crossfield, it seems. Why is it such a weird boundary?

I assume because FCPS refused to give Franklin Farm its own school like it did all the other large neighborhoods in the area.

Huh? Which "all the other neighborhoods in the area?"

Oak Hill, Fox Mill, Lees Corner are all surrounded by neighborhoods, as is Poplar Tree, and the Greenbriars.

Isn't that where schools should be--where the kids are? FWIW, they build schools where they can get property.

Are you not following this thread? Someone asked why Crossfield is nowhere near where most of the kids who attend it live. Too bad those kids don't have a neighborhood school.

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Anonymous wrote:Crossfield goes to Navy for AAP

So that's the point. Would make more sense for Waples Mill to go to Navy, Crossfield to go to Oak Hill, and Fox Mill to go to Hunters Woods.

100% then Waples + Navy kids can stay together and feed to Franklin-Oakton while Crossfield and Oak Hill kids can stay together and feed to Carson-Skyview. Fox Mill kids would go to a different middle school but at least they'd end up in HS with HW kids.

The only issue with this is about 1/3 of the Fox Mill kids don't live in Fox Mill but across Fairfax County Parkway. Oak Hill ES is less than 2 miles from neighborhoods like Bradley Farm when taking McLearen. Though most students stay at Fox Mill rather than transfer to Oak Hill for AAP, so I guess it doesn't matter much.

Crossfield is quite close to Hunters Woods and should have been the school to remain at Hunters Woods for AAP. I think they were the school that got moved to Navy because of numbers (Waples and Navy always had significantly more eligible students, and I don't think Navy could accommodate Waples.).

But most of the kids who go to Crossfield don't actually live near Crossfield. It's a weird boundary. They actually also live closer to Oak Hill (and even Fox Mill) than Crossfield.

Or closer to Navy or Lees Corner. Anywhere but near Crossfield, it seems. Why is it such a weird boundary?

I assume because FCPS refused to give Franklin Farm its own school like it did all the other large neighborhoods in the area.

Huh? Which "all the other neighborhoods in the area?"

Oak Hill, Fox Mill, Lees Corner are all surrounded by neighborhoods, as is Poplar Tree, and the Greenbriars.

Isn't that where schools should be--where the kids are? FWIW, they build schools where they can get property.

Are you not following this thread? Someone asked why Crossfield is nowhere near where most of the kids who attend it live. Too bad those kids don't have a neighborhood school.

Did you read the part about building where they get property?