Skinny is the new moral/hard working and all other kind of superiority?

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Anonymous wrote:Number of skinny shamers on thread:2-4
Number of overweight shamers on thread: 50

There is no “shaming.” People are allowed to be proud of themselves for making heathy choices.

And they are allowed to think those that are not thin are making unhealthy choices? Isn't your logic the definition of shaming others by prompting yourself up and being prideful?
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries, deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness.

To be fair there are more people online being proud to lose 10 lbs on a 200 lbs bodies than anything else.
It all goes under "healthy choices".

Very true. Losing weight is celebrated but maintaining is demonized. What's the difference?

That is what the thread is about. Not necessarily demonized maintaining weight, rather considering being overweight a moral failure by the that are slim. And not only them, most of our society. Men that are overweight, many of them feel superior to overweight women and call them names. My FIL, for example, who has a triplet stomach, calls overweight women on cruises whale watching. He openly mocks them and ridiculous them though he weighs more than many of them, and not just bcs he is taller. He is not.

But that point doesn't resonate with me at all. And just because you keep repeating it doesn't make it true. I'm thin and care about fitness, because I like it. It's about me, not you or anyone else. My staying in shape doesn't shame anyone. Your FIL sounds like a misogynistic asshole. What else is new?

Something systemic can only be true if you, pp, personally feel or do it? I don't put black people into prisons at higher rates than white people but I know and accept that it happens.

That can be backed up by data. Please cite your source for your claims.

I love that the comment right after yours is “personally I think fat people look slovenly.”

Anyways, I just googled “assumptions about fat people” and found some links that will give you what you are looking for. Or, what you say you’re looking for.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5305400/

lthough obesity has been shown to contribute to certain types of health problems, antifat stigma is also a threat to health. Antifat stigma adds both psychological and physiologic stress to people who are considered excessively fat, which some experts argue partially accounts for health disparities by weight.1,2 Antifat stigma is underpinned by common assumptions that fatness is highly malleable and under individual control, implying that people who are visibly fat have poor self-control, are unknowledgeable or are not invested in their health. Puhl and Heuer’s 2009 review of over 200 studies (with experimental, survey, population-based and qualitative designs) highlighted how common such stigmatizing assumptions are and the discrimination that follows in multiple sectors.3 In a 2016 systematic review and meta-analysis, Spahlholz and colleagues confirmed high rates of perceived weight-based discrimination in many life domains.4 Stigmatization can be a daily occurrence; an analysis involving 50 overweight or obese women in the United States who filled out the Stigmatizing Situations Inventory over 298 days reported more than 1000 weight-stigmatizing events. Body mass index (BMI) was the strongest predictor.5

I thought this study was interesting because it discussed the problems with the stigma doctors have against obese people: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4381543/

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Anonymous wrote:Number of skinny shamers on thread:2-4
Number of overweight shamers on thread: 50

There is no “shaming.” People are allowed to be proud of themselves for making heathy choices.

And they are allowed to think those that are not thin are making unhealthy choices? Isn't your logic the definition of shaming others by prompting yourself up and being prideful?
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries, deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness.

To be fair there are more people online being proud to lose 10 lbs on a 200 lbs bodies than anything else.
It all goes under "healthy choices".

Very true. Losing weight is celebrated but maintaining is demonized. What's the difference?

That is what the thread is about. Not necessarily demonized maintaining weight, rather considering being overweight a moral failure by the that are slim. And not only them, most of our society. Men that are overweight, many of them feel superior to overweight women and call them names. My FIL, for example, who has a triplet stomach, calls overweight women on cruises whale watching. He openly mocks them and ridiculous them though he weighs more than many of them, and not just bcs he is taller. He is not.

But that point doesn't resonate with me at all. And just because you keep repeating it doesn't make it true. I'm thin and care about fitness, because I like it. It's about me, not you or anyone else. My staying in shape doesn't shame anyone. Your FIL sounds like a misogynistic asshole. What else is new?

Something systemic can only be true if you, pp, personally feel or do it? I don't put black people into prisons at higher rates than white people but I know and accept that it happens.

That can be backed up by data. Please cite your source for your claims.

Cite a source for how people hate fat people? How about any thread like this on DCUM. Any fashion mag (for every Ashley Graham there are 30 Kendall Jenners). Any television shows where fat people are not there for diversity and have legitimate happy lives/dreams/storylines outside of their weight? They exist (Mike and Molly!) but are few and far between. Prevalence of eating disorders and body image issues in teen girls, by age 13 58% of girls are unhappy with their body and this grows to almost 80% by the time they turn 17 (https://depts.washington.edu/thmedia/view.cgi?section=bodyimage&page=fastfacts)

80% of ten year olds are afraid of being fat. 70% of women who are a normal weight want to be thinner. 80% of women do not like how they look. (https://www.macmh.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/18_Gallivan_Teens-social-media-body-image-presentation-H-Gallivan-Spring-2014.pdf)

So you don’t have data that said skinny women are morally superior? Got it.

I never made that claim. It felt like you responded to claim that society hates fat people that featured an anecdote about a fat person who was mean to fat people about how you are not mean to fat people and therefore....I felt your conclusion was that you were denying the issue existed and that people are not mean to fat people. Then you asked for evidence and I assumed you asked for evidence about whether it is true that society thinks about fat people are bad and provided it.

I am not OP, I'm responding in the context of this back and forth. I bolded the part of PP's post that I assumed you were responding to.

The OP is a misogynist rant against other women. All of this is being laid at the feet of women.

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But why do any of you care if someone thinks fat people are lazy and weak or skinny people are disordered control freaks or whatever?

I mean, I get caring if it’s a family member making unkind remarks but why do you care what strangers think? If you are fine with being fat, how does judgmental attitude of someone unrelated to you interfere with your day? If you are skinny and big on diets, how does someone thinking you have issues affect you?

Some people will always be judgmental about something (and that holds doubly true on DCUM and triply true on the Diet and Exercise forum which clearly attracts people fixated on topics dealing with dieting and weight loss.) Live your life and fat or skinny, you will be happier if you care less what random people make of your life and your choices. You don’t need validation from unconnected people to have a good life nor do you need to prove to others your choices are good and moral as long as you think they are so yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:But why do any of you care if someone thinks fat people are lazy and weak or skinny people are disordered control freaks or whatever?

I mean, I get caring if it’s a family member making unkind remarks but why do you care what strangers think? If you are fine with being fat, how does judgmental attitude of someone unrelated to you interfere with your day? If you are skinny and big on diets, how does someone thinking you have issues affect you?

Some people will always be judgmental about something (and that holds doubly true on DCUM and triply true on the Diet and Exercise forum which clearly attracts people fixated on topics dealing with dieting and weight loss.) Live your life and fat or skinny, you will be happier if you care less what random people make of your life and your choices. You don’t need validation from unconnected people to have a good life nor do you need to prove to others your choices are good and moral as long as you think they are so yourself.

Are you for real? Did you read the posts above? So you are ok if your kid is overweight or thin and other kids or even adults are snickering and mocking your kid? You will just tell her or him that you should not care is someone thinks she/he is lazy and weak or disordered control freaks? I bet you, you would be the first one to raise hell with the school and friends and clubs and family.
It affects people all the time. Do you think it is fun walking into a grocery store and as you pass by hearing someone make a comment that she doesn't need any more food! We have a thread after thread on dcum about how weight positivity is ridiculous and overweight people need to feel shame. In fact, those exact words were written in a thread.

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Anonymous wrote:But why do any of you care if someone thinks fat people are lazy and weak or skinny people are disordered control freaks or whatever?

I mean, I get caring if it’s a family member making unkind remarks but why do you care what strangers think? If you are fine with being fat, how does judgmental attitude of someone unrelated to you interfere with your day? If you are skinny and big on diets, how does someone thinking you have issues affect you?

Some people will always be judgmental about something (and that holds doubly true on DCUM and triply true on the Diet and Exercise forum which clearly attracts people fixated on topics dealing with dieting and weight loss.) Live your life and fat or skinny, you will be happier if you care less what random people make of your life and your choices. You don’t need validation from unconnected people to have a good life nor do you need to prove to others your choices are good and moral as long as you think they are so yourself.

Are you for real? Did you read the posts above? So you are ok if your kid is overweight or thin and other kids or even adults are snickering and mocking your kid? You will just tell her or him that you should not care is someone thinks she/he is lazy and weak or disordered control freaks? I bet you, you would be the first one to raise hell with the school and friends and clubs and family.
It affects people all the time. Do you think it is fun walking into a grocery store and as you pass by hearing someone make a comment that she doesn't need any more food! We have a thread after thread on dcum about how weight positivity is ridiculous and overweight people need to feel shame. In fact, those exact words were written in a thread.

Kids are a separate matter (though yes, I would teach my kids to ignore comments unless there is literal bullying going on but bullying is bad regardless of topic and a separate issue) but as adult no, I don’t care if I overhear someone make an unkind comment. I’ve been both fat and underweight before and I never cared one way or another what people thought or what commends they may have made. Why would I care? They are a random person I don’t know who have no weight in my life. I don’t really care if some stranger on DCUM complains about people of my current weight. I don’t care if someone makes a snide comment in a store. I just don’t. (Also, how often do you hear people say rude things about anything, weight included, to your face as opposed on an anonymous board? I can’t say it happened often to me and anyone I know.) Anyway, stop caring what others think and trying to convince strangers on the internet to change their mind about skinny or fat people. It’s going to lead nowhere.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe in shaming people who are overweight. God only knows what is going on in their lives and some extra food to soothe the jagged edges of modern life isn't the worst vice. But as someone who does maintain a slender physique, I dislike all the nastiness leveled at thin people as oppressors. The reality is, I like being thin more than I enjoy eating. You have your wishes, I have mine. Let's just be civil.

So you don't want people to judge you for being thin? But, eating more "isn't the worst vice?" And you like being thin more than you enjoy eating? Your post presents overweight people as people with issues and terrible lives, but you don't think you are an oppressor?
Why don't you see the society that values slenderness that you have bought into as an oppressor of yourself? Is it bcs deep down you know you are a kind of oppressor to the overweight people, despite faking you are not?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe in shaming people who are overweight. God only knows what is going on in their lives and some extra food to soothe the jagged edges of modern life isn't the worst vice. But as someone who does maintain a slender physique, I dislike all the nastiness leveled at thin people as oppressors. The reality is, I like being thin more than I enjoy eating. You have your wishes, I have mine. Let's just be civil.

So you don't want people to judge you for being thin? But, eating more "isn't the worst vice?" And you like being thin more than you enjoy eating? Your post presents overweight people as people with issues and terrible lives, but you don't think you are an oppressor?
Why don't you see the society that values slenderness that you have bought into as an oppressor of yourself? Is it bcs deep down you know you are a kind of oppressor to the overweight people, despite faking you are not?

One could equally assert that overweight people are oppressors of themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe in shaming people who are overweight. God only knows what is going on in their lives and some extra food to soothe the jagged edges of modern life isn't the worst vice. But as someone who does maintain a slender physique, I dislike all the nastiness leveled at thin people as oppressors. The reality is, I like being thin more than I enjoy eating. You have your wishes, I have mine. Let's just be civil.

So you don't want people to judge you for being thin? But, eating more "isn't the worst vice?" And you like being thin more than you enjoy eating? Your post presents overweight people as people with issues and terrible lives, but you don't think you are an oppressor?
Why don't you see the society that values slenderness that you have bought into as an oppressor of yourself? Is it bcs deep down you know you are a kind of oppressor to the overweight people, despite faking you are not?

One could equally assert that overweight people are oppressors of themselves.

Since every single overweight person I know who's lost weight felt proud and happy after doing so. Societally conditioned? Sure. Better health in the majority of cases? Also sure.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe in shaming people who are overweight. God only knows what is going on in their lives and some extra food to soothe the jagged edges of modern life isn't the worst vice. But as someone who does maintain a slender physique, I dislike all the nastiness leveled at thin people as oppressors. The reality is, I like being thin more than I enjoy eating. You have your wishes, I have mine. Let's just be civil.

So you don't want people to judge you for being thin? But, eating more "isn't the worst vice?" And you like being thin more than you enjoy eating? Your post presents overweight people as people with issues and terrible lives, but you don't think you are an oppressor?
Why don't you see the society that values slenderness that you have bought into as an oppressor of yourself? Is it bcs deep down you know you are a kind of oppressor to the overweight people, despite faking you are not?

One could equally assert that overweight people are oppressors of themselves.

Since every single overweight person I know who's lost weight felt proud and happy after doing so. Societally conditioned? Sure. Better health in the majority of cases? Also sure.

Because there is ZERO wrong, and a lot right, with sticking to a healthy diet and regular exercise regimen. People on this board presenting it as some kind of a moral failing, or oppression ffs, are nuts. That isn't to say weight loss isn't a complex issue for many, but let's not throw the baby out with the bath water 'kay?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe in shaming people who are overweight. God only knows what is going on in their lives and some extra food to soothe the jagged edges of modern life isn't the worst vice. But as someone who does maintain a slender physique, I dislike all the nastiness leveled at thin people as oppressors. The reality is, I like being thin more than I enjoy eating. You have your wishes, I have mine. Let's just be civil.

So you don't want people to judge you for being thin? But, eating more "isn't the worst vice?" And you like being thin more than you enjoy eating? Your post presents overweight people as people with issues and terrible lives, but you don't think you are an oppressor?
Why don't you see the society that values slenderness that you have bought into as an oppressor of yourself? Is it bcs deep down you know you are a kind of oppressor to the overweight people, despite faking you are not?

One could equally assert that overweight people are oppressors of themselves.

Since every single overweight person I know who's lost weight felt proud and happy after doing so. Societally conditioned? Sure. Better health in the majority of cases? Also sure.

Because there is ZERO wrong, and a lot right, with sticking to a healthy diet and regular exercise regimen. People on this board presenting it as some kind of a moral failing, or oppression ffs, are nuts. That isn't to say weight loss isn't a complex issue for many, but let's not throw the baby out with the bath water 'kay?

Agree. This is a pretty insane thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe in shaming people who are overweight. God only knows what is going on in their lives and some extra food to soothe the jagged edges of modern life isn't the worst vice. But as someone who does maintain a slender physique, I dislike all the nastiness leveled at thin people as oppressors. The reality is, I like being thin more than I enjoy eating. You have your wishes, I have mine. Let's just be civil.

So you don't want people to judge you for being thin? But, eating more "isn't the worst vice?" And you like being thin more than you enjoy eating? Your post presents overweight people as people with issues and terrible lives, but you don't think you are an oppressor?
Why don't you see the society that values slenderness that you have bought into as an oppressor of yourself? Is it bcs deep down you know you are a kind of oppressor to the overweight people, despite faking you are not?

One could equally assert that overweight people are oppressors of themselves.

Since every single overweight person I know who's lost weight felt proud and happy after doing so. Societally conditioned? Sure. Better health in the majority of cases? Also sure.

Because there is ZERO wrong, and a lot right, with sticking to a healthy diet and regular exercise regimen. People on this board presenting it as some kind of a moral failing, or oppression ffs, are nuts. That isn't to say weight loss isn't a complex issue for many, but let's not throw the baby out with the bath water 'kay?

Um, the exact opposite is the topic of this thread. That your idea of morally succeeding causes you to perceive those that have not been successful at it as failing morally, for the most part.
Not just a simple failing either, more as a whole personal failure that you jduge them for. As your post clearly shows.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe in shaming people who are overweight. God only knows what is going on in their lives and some extra food to soothe the jagged edges of modern life isn't the worst vice. But as someone who does maintain a slender physique, I dislike all the nastiness leveled at thin people as oppressors. The reality is, I like being thin more than I enjoy eating. You have your wishes, I have mine. Let's just be civil.

So you don't want people to judge you for being thin? But, eating more "isn't the worst vice?" And you like being thin more than you enjoy eating? Your post presents overweight people as people with issues and terrible lives, but you don't think you are an oppressor?
Why don't you see the society that values slenderness that you have bought into as an oppressor of yourself? Is it bcs deep down you know you are a kind of oppressor to the overweight people, despite faking you are not?

One could equally assert that overweight people are oppressors of themselves.

Since every single overweight person I know who's lost weight felt proud and happy after doing so. Societally conditioned? Sure. Better health in the majority of cases? Also sure.

Because there is ZERO wrong, and a lot right, with sticking to a healthy diet and regular exercise regimen. People on this board presenting it as some kind of a moral failing, or oppression ffs, are nuts. That isn't to say weight loss isn't a complex issue for many, but let's not throw the baby out with the bath water 'kay?

Um, the exact opposite is the topic of this thread. That your idea of morally succeeding causes you to perceive those that have not been successful at it as failing morally, for the most part.
Not just a simple failing either, more as a whole personal failure that you jduge them for. As your post clearly shows.

So in your upside down world no thin person would ever be friends with an overweight person, or hire them for a job, date them, and if they were related they would absolutely cut them off. Is that right? Because I can't see how one group would have anything to do with a group they supposedly thought so little of.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe in shaming people who are overweight. God only knows what is going on in their lives and some extra food to soothe the jagged edges of modern life isn't the worst vice. But as someone who does maintain a slender physique, I dislike all the nastiness leveled at thin people as oppressors. The reality is, I like being thin more than I enjoy eating. You have your wishes, I have mine. Let's just be civil.

So you don't want people to judge you for being thin? But, eating more "isn't the worst vice?" And you like being thin more than you enjoy eating? Your post presents overweight people as people with issues and terrible lives, but you don't think you are an oppressor?
Why don't you see the society that values slenderness that you have bought into as an oppressor of yourself? Is it bcs deep down you know you are a kind of oppressor to the overweight people, despite faking you are not?

One could equally assert that overweight people are oppressors of themselves.

Since every single overweight person I know who's lost weight felt proud and happy after doing so. Societally conditioned? Sure. Better health in the majority of cases? Also sure.

Because there is ZERO wrong, and a lot right, with sticking to a healthy diet and regular exercise regimen. People on this board presenting it as some kind of a moral failing, or oppression ffs, are nuts. That isn't to say weight loss isn't a complex issue for many, but let's not throw the baby out with the bath water 'kay?

Um, the exact opposite is the topic of this thread. That your idea of morally succeeding causes you to perceive those that have not been successful at it as failing morally, for the most part.
Not just a simple failing either, more as a whole personal failure that you jduge them for. As your post clearly shows.

If you are a heathy weight and making good food and lifestyle choices it is succeeding. It is ok to be proud of this. It doesn't make you morally superior, but it is certainly an area (ONE area) of success for you. If someone is obese, then yes, they did not succeed in making good food and lifestyle choices, for whatever reason, at some point in their life, likely for many years. But that doesn't mean they aren't successful in many other things in life. Just like a person of a healthy weight that is into fitness may be a hot mess in other parts of their life. Weight is not an indicator of morals. But it is an indicator in how you value and use food, fitness, your body. It is also ONE indicator that is visually obvious of discipline and dedication. Again, just one. It doesn't mean someone heavy isn't disciplined or dedicated, they very well are in other parts of their life. One does make make someone superior over the other. Everyone has priorities and things they chose to focus on and put energy into. It is ok to recognize things people are successful at and in areas they are disciplined and dedicated.

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Keep trying pps, we have thread after thread where you rip apart overweight people. We have a thread where the mom that gave her kids BK on a vacation was ripped apart and her kids were called mentally sluggish.
You are all here too, ruining lives in your own families and causing others mental anguish and insecurity.
If you did not care, you would not be posting here or even looking at this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe in shaming people who are overweight. God only knows what is going on in their lives and some extra food to soothe the jagged edges of modern life isn't the worst vice. But as someone who does maintain a slender physique, I dislike all the nastiness leveled at thin people as oppressors. The reality is, I like being thin more than I enjoy eating. You have your wishes, I have mine. Let's just be civil.

So you don't want people to judge you for being thin? But, eating more "isn't the worst vice?" And you like being thin more than you enjoy eating? Your post presents overweight people as people with issues and terrible lives, but you don't think you are an oppressor?
Why don't you see the society that values slenderness that you have bought into as an oppressor of yourself? Is it bcs deep down you know you are a kind of oppressor to the overweight people, despite faking you are not?

One could equally assert that overweight people are oppressors of themselves.

Since every single overweight person I know who's lost weight felt proud and happy after doing so. Societally conditioned? Sure. Better health in the majority of cases? Also sure.

Because there is ZERO wrong, and a lot right, with sticking to a healthy diet and regular exercise regimen. People on this board presenting it as some kind of a moral failing, or oppression ffs, are nuts. That isn't to say weight loss isn't a complex issue for many, but let's not throw the baby out with the bath water 'kay?

Um, the exact opposite is the topic of this thread. That your idea of morally succeeding causes you to perceive those that have not been successful at it as failing morally, for the most part.
Not just a simple failing either, more as a whole personal failure that you jduge them for. As your post clearly shows.

Tell me what PP wrote that is not accurate. I'll wait.