Skinny is the new moral/hard working and all other kind of superiority?

[Anonymous]

I mean, that is the only conclusion I can come to from reading the other thread. I think it is mostly women posting there. Not only is it a moral superiority, but it is also a way to claim to be a better mom, better cook, better lover, better worker, having your own canning production, your own bread-making skills, having 7 hours to shop as you have to read yogurt labels, drive to Nick's organic farm to get free-range eggs, go to every farmer's market if you have failed to have your own farm and chickens to raise and make your own jam and canned veggies and free-range livestock.

Rather than call out the food industry here for being what it is, an appalling aberration akin to a chemical plant, dcum people have chosen to blame other women and moms. It is not getting older and having hormones go haywire. It is not about having enough time to cook and serve fresh veggies. It is not about being tired and wanting ice cream and just being human. Nope, according to some on dcum, it is an utter failure at any age, and it is your own, not anybody else's, even though 2/3 of the population is overweight. It is a simple way for those to feel morally superior. If they ever admitted that it might not all be their genetics, upbringing, luck in having such choices, or having the time to research all of it, they would admit they are no better than the other in population. What do they have if they admit they are not better than the overweight ones? Nothing but luck or an eating disorder!
It never ends, mom and women shaming by other women.

Rant over. BTW, flame away judgmental "you are to blame" skinnies!

[Anonymous]

I don’t think it’s about morality but is about discipline at a certain point. I say this as a person who has often lacked the discipline to make healthy dietary choices and make time for adequate exercise. I know when I reach for the junk and relax on the couch instead of going for a walk that I’m making lazy choices. I always had excuses— work, kids, commute, difficulty managing stress, a variety of health issues—but it really did come down to lack of discipline. Trying to turn over a new leaf, but it is challenging after a decade of increasingly bad habits. That’s on no one but me.

[Anonymous]

Maybe it's all about excuses, blaming someone else, I'm a victim, I have no agency in my own life and whatever happens is definitely someone else's fault.

[Anonymous]

I completely understand if a person grows up in poverty, in a food desert, and/or without access to medical care/advice. However, OP, if that doesn't apply to you, you sound a little privileged and like you are assuming the role of a victim whereas there are so many true victims in our country whose health suffers because of dire circumstances and an inability to escape them.

[Anonymous]

Skinny people are annoying. They punish themselves by having no ice cream and eating veggies and 24/7. They dont need us to pile on.

[Anonymous]

As a fat person I agree OP, but the truth is somewhere between those two extremes. People are not all the same. I am working as hard as I can at life, generally, and some things have to be a priority, and it's not my body.

[Anonymous]

The answer to OP's title is "yes" Though it's not new. Bring overweight hasn't been beautiful or virtuous in the west in since what, late 1800s?

Things that are difficult to achieve become more desirable. In our culture, having the time and money to eat well and exercise is difficult. Therefore being thin and fit is a luxury that is closely associated with being wealthy, aka successful. As with actual wealth, people like to play up the discipline and hard work piece while conveniently omitting the things that give them space to put in that work or actually see success as a result of it.

While the idea of self denial being moral (especially for women) is built into this country's cultural roots, IMO it's not as powerful as people simply wanting to believe that they've acheived whatever they have through hard work.

[Anonymous]

Lord that was a dramatic rant. You have a lot more control than you want to admit

[Anonymous]

You’re shaming other women too. You say thin women have eating disorders.

I think you have to be really mentally ill to believe the only way to be a normal weight is with an eating disorder. That’s incredibly sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The answer to OP's title is "yes" Though it's not new. Bring overweight hasn't been beautiful or virtuous in the west in since what, late 1800s?

Things that are difficult to achieve become more desirable. In our culture, having the time and money to eat well and exercise is difficult. Therefore being thin and fit is a luxury that is closely associated with being wealthy, aka successful. As with actual wealth, people like to play up the discipline and hard work piece while conveniently omitting the things that give them space to put in that work or actually see success as a result of it.

While the idea of self denial being moral (especially for women) is built into this country's cultural roots, IMO it's not as powerful as people simply wanting to believe that they've acheived whatever they have through hard work.

Agree. Haven’t read the other incredibly long and tedious thread. Because this post above is the answer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I completely understand if a person grows up in poverty, in a food desert, and/or without access to medical care/advice. However, OP, if that doesn't apply to you, you sound a little privileged and like you are assuming the role of a victim whereas there are so many true victims in our country whose health suffers because of dire circumstances and an inability to escape them.

Except I am not overweight, not in the slightest. I have had the privilege of learning how to cook the old-fashioned way, and was blessed with some genetics. What am I a victim of then?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Skinny people are annoying. They punish themselves by having no ice cream and eating veggies and 24/7. They dont need us to pile on.

But that is their favorite thing to do! What other joy do they have when they are starving? "Oh, no look at me, I eat no carbs, I call oat milk a carb bomb, and think rice is worse than sugar..."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean, that is the only conclusion I can come to from reading the other thread. I think it is mostly women posting there. Not only is it a moral superiority, but it is also a way to claim to be a better mom, better cook, better lover, better worker, having your own canning production, your own bread-making skills, having 7 hours to shop as you have to read yogurt labels, drive to Nick's organic farm to get free-range eggs, go to every farmer's market if you have failed to have your own farm and chickens to raise and make your own jam and canned veggies and free-range livestock.

Rather than call out the food industry here for being what it is, an appalling aberration akin to a chemical plant, dcum people have chosen to blame other women and moms. It is not getting older and having hormones go haywire. It is not about having enough time to cook and serve fresh veggies. It is not about being tired and wanting ice cream and just being human. Nope, according to some on dcum, it is an utter failure at any age, and it is your own, not anybody else's, even though 2/3 of the population is overweight. It is a simple way for those to feel morally superior. If they ever admitted that it might not all be their genetics, upbringing, luck in having such choices, or having the time to research all of it, they would admit they are no better than the other in population. What do they have if they admit they are not better than the overweight ones? Nothing but luck or an eating disorder!
It never ends, mom and women shaming by other women.

Rant over. BTW, flame away judgmental "you are to blame" skinnies!

I’m thin and I don’t do any of these things. I do read food labels (it certainly doesn’t take 7 hours) and make good food choices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe it's all about excuses, blaming someone else, I'm a victim, I have no agency in my own life and whatever happens is definitely someone else's fault.

Maybe it is about I am so superior bcs I didn't eat bread, rice, and the myriad other foods bcs I am insane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The answer to OP's title is "yes" Though it's not new. Bring overweight hasn't been beautiful or virtuous in the west in since what, late 1800s?

Things that are difficult to achieve become more desirable. In our culture, having the time and money to eat well and exercise is difficult. Therefore being thin and fit is a luxury that is closely associated with being wealthy, aka successful. As with actual wealth, people like to play up the discipline and hard work piece while conveniently omitting the things that give them space to put in that work or actually see success as a result of it.

While the idea of self denial being moral (especially for women) is built into this country's cultural roots, IMO it's not as powerful as people simply wanting to believe that they've acheived whatever they have through hard work.

Yep, you get it. Yet, like the Victorian values, those that are rich, or in this case have the privilege of working at life and being skinny think they are more deserving, better than the rest. The aristocracy truly believed that they are worthy of their status bcs they are hard-working... without ever lifting a finger to actually work!